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A Sunday Question for Charles Barkley, and One for the Readers


NBA.com from time to time solicits queries from various bloggers, for some of their on-air personalities.

Late last week, the Chuckster himself participated, and I managed to get a question in regarding Mr. Bosh:

 

Chuck - The Lakers look pretty set talent-wise for the next few years, even with Andrew Bynum on half a leg. Do you think the team will actually dare to mess with the current chemistry by trying to acquire Chris Bosh?

CB: I think they're going to do something. I said three years ago...going into the finals...they're going to be favored for the next five years because they have Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. That's just the way it is. The NBA and the rest of the world are just going to have to deal with it.


Not exactly the most verbose response but interesting none-the-less.

However I'd say a good chunk of what the Lakers do this off-season depends on how the final two or three games between themselves and the Celtics play out.

Should they lose and not be able to rely on the services of Andrew Bynum, I think Barkley's right; the team will look to shake things up a bit.  I still don't quite get pairing the largely duplicate skillsets of Bosh and Gasol, but we'll see.

In addition, as a Raptors' fan, does the idea of Bynum coming to Toronto excite you?  He's obviously got great potential, and might be one of the better sign-and-trade results out there, but what about his injury-prone status?  Is it better to take on a less-talented option who is at least durable?

That folks, is our Sunday thought of the day...

Poll
Do you like the idea of Andrew Bynum coming to the Raptors in exchange for Chris Bosh?
Yes - he's the best option out there.
128 votes
No - he's too injury-prone.
122 votes
It depends on what else would be included in such a package.
79 votes

329 votes | Poll has closed

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Key Piece to the Puzzle

There is a formula for building championship teams. The present situation with Bynum and Coach Jackson’s most recent comment once again illustrates this. He basically concedes that without Bynum they are in trouble. Championship teams have strong defensive centers who can rebound, they anchor the defense. Examples of Cartwright, Parish, Jabbar, Duncan, Alayjawan – and on and on. So from the Lakers perspective, why on earth would they want to give up Bynum for Bosh unless his knee were completely gone.
So my answer is grab him quick if surgery can fix his knee but the Lakers would never be that stupid. Here Jackson has arguably the best player the game (Bryant) and he is indicating they may not be able to win with out Bynum. Do you really think Bosh could fill that key piece of the puzzle?

by RT... on Jun 13, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

thats the issue

If the Lakers give up Bynum its because they have serious concerns over his knee… so why would Toronto want that? If his knee isn’t a concern its a decent deal for T.O. but then I doubt the Lakers make the trade.

As far as I see it this Bynum discussion is just blowing smoke.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 13, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot what risk management means

From LA’s point of view:
1) Bynum is a high risk high reward
2) Bosh is a (much) lower risk, and almost an as high reward

From the Raps point of view
1) #4 is gone
2) Bynum can be a high risk but he is also a high reward but it is better than nothing and he expires in two years (emaning after one year he is an expiring, hence an asset)
3) Possibly he will come together with Vujacic (another expiring)

I can see why LA would do it. I cannot see why the Raps would no want to do it

by renato on Jun 13, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because there isn't a better offer on the market

Noah isn’t going anywhere in any scenario.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jun 15, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noah.

Chad Ford mentioned it in his article about Chicago’s pitch to Lebron. If it comes down to the choice of Lebron and Bosh, or neither you don’t think they’ll let Noah go?

Mind you, this is the same team that wouldn’t move their core pieces for Kobe.

by j-deep on Jun 13, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think Paxson will make that mistake again or he will find himself without a job. Besides, that was then when Chicago thought Hinrich and Deng were both better than they are (hence their contracts), now I think they know they could afford to lose one in a package with Noah if it meant getting Bosh and Lebron/Wade.

by McGateway on Jun 13, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noah or bust.

I think it’s basically going to come down to BC need to force LA and Chicago into a bidding war. I think Chicago is essentially in a position where they can’t afford to come away with nothing. It would look really bad on them. That why if I’m BC, I’m using LA to bring the price of Bosh up in Chicago’s mind.

Any chance Bosh is recruiting Wade or Lebron to come to Toronto? LOL… guess not….

by j-deep on Jun 13, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question

“Bosh is a (much) lower risk, and almost an as high reward” – What position would you see Bosh playing in LA? Center?
Good luck with that.

by RT... on Jun 13, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

pau can rebound and play good defense and he can also play center

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 13, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pau is playing C

He does it also now and he logs most of the minutes

by renato on Jun 13, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would argue pau and CB are not the same type of player because pau tends to get most of his baskets in the paint with hooks and lay ups when CB tends to take way more jumpers and also pau is a better defender then CB

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 13, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Bosh has more range and ballhandling skill. Gasol has great instincts and a soft touch on a ton of different shots from the foul line in. Pau also has the sheer size to play C straight up, where Bosh is a little more spindly and thinner in the lower body.

Bosh can be a good defender, he just needs to be put in the right circumstance. He’s been playing with a bunch of sieves in Toronto, no Reggie Evans is not the answer. I feel like his offensive responsibilities have had him selling out his defensive ones, wrong as that is. That would not be the case in LA though, playing at a high level with an emphasis on reaching league-leading efficiency at both ends of the floor (09-10: 11th O, 4th D). Remember that he was the Dream Team’s key big defensively – with other defensive talent and a respected power structure, he is an effective defender.

Offensively, it would be very interesting to see Bosh as a complementary option. Here’s a PF/C with range out to 3 point land, can beat ANY big off the dribble and is one of the league’s best at drawing fouls. His extremely high scoring efficiency would should not be expected to decline with a better team getting him specific shots he wants. He was also a very effective scorer on putbacks when he crashed the boards.

Bosh in LA is no problem, as long as Odom can give consistent effort as the 3rd big. The Lakers’ bench is a little thin these days.

by bigweeze on Jun 13, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gasol can play the 5

If LA loses to Boston, I think they absolutely do this deal. Bynum has been unreliable to them and as Kobe gets older, their window is closing. Keep in mind that Odom plays as much as Bynum and when Odom is on the floor, Gasol typically picks up the opposing team’s centre.
I think this is one of the cases where the deal makes sense for both teams.

by cmrm123 on Jun 13, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I really hope BC DOESNT trade for bynum

i know most of you think this is a great trade, maybe better than what other teams offer but do you really wanna trade for a player expected to get injured again and again. i understand bynum is the type of center we need on this team but dont you always get the feeling he’s going to hurt himself. also he will be traded to a non-playoff team, and one with less US coverage, meaning less exposure from the biggest nba market and where he can win multiple championships. bynum would hate it, and that scares me cause i wouldnt want a player who most likely doesnt want to be here and will likely look to leave the moment he has the chance. also in a trade involving the lakers, they most likely wouldnt give up much more than bynum, maybe an adam morrison or sasha vujaic to make it work, and that does not look like a great return.

now if you compare this to a possible chicago return or possibly houston, they can give up good young talent, maybe not as great as a bynum, but most likely less injury prone and players who wouldnt mind a change in scenery. chicago can give a package of either hinrich or deng, to go along with taj gibson, and/or james johnson and 1st round pick. houston can give a similar package with young talent and picks. now, looking at these possible scenerios, the raptors can stock their team with young good talent for the FUTURE, or trade for a great but injury prone talent in bynum and likely nothing more. if we trade for bynum it would mean BC is looking to win now again rather than build for the future, and really doesnt seem like a good idea especially with bosh leaving. do you really want to build a team around bargs and bynum thinking theyll compete with the best at this point of their careers. i say lets Rebuild, stock this team with young good talent, get some draft picks because seems like were giving them all away and lets create this team for the future rather than taking a risk to compete now.( cough HEDO.)

just my opinion.

by tea time on Jun 13, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Taj Gibson again?

When did Taj Gibson and James Johnson become talents worth fussing about? Remember how Courtney Lee was seen as a decent talent playing for Orlando last year and was traded for Vince and well….(crickets). If it’s going to be Chicago, it’s Noah in the package or no deal. Why devote any resources to older players (Gibson is like one year younger than Bosh) whose upside is 6th and 7th men on a 2nd round playoff team? Sounds like we’re pining for the slightly better Williams brothers this time around (see Babcock, Rob). From what we’ve been able to obtain, Bosh is okay with either Chicago or LA, so you ask for the talent you want not the talent you have to settle for. As mentioned above and as I’ve mentioned before, Chicago would be foolish to refuse sending Noah over if it meant foregoing a Bosh/ LeBron coupling.
I guess the more interesting question would be, if it came down to Noah or Bynum as key pieces in packages being sent back, which would the Raptors take?

by HQ Interloper on Jun 14, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

if toronto can take noah, id be thrilled but i just dont see toronto having that much power

first off, the only reason nj traded for courtney lee was to get rid of an ageing player in Vince. because they needed to rebuild. they took the risk on a young player whos pretty good but he is playing on a team full of nobody’s. theyre team sucks. courtney lee can excell in a system such as orlando, a team full of good players and i think he’s proved in the league he can be a great role player.
now back to chicago, chicago has enough cap space to sign bosh outright if i believe, around 20 mil to spend. maybe the only reason bosh wants to play in chicago because they have TWO promising players in noah and rose, where he can come in and instantly contend for a championship. maybe bosh wants to have a center to help him out everynight so he is not relied on to do everything around the glass. only reason LA is likely willing to trade bynum is because he’s ALWAYS injured. if bynum were to stay healthy, how much would LA be willing to trade him for bosh? who plays the same position as gasol AND they would have to pay MAX money to. they wouldnt! thats the truth, but since they know bynum and his health, they are willing to trade.

if i compared my chicago proposal to the LA proposal of bynum, you either take a group of young talented players with potential and maybe a draft pick or take one player whos pretty darn good, but already has a history of being injured. you just get more assests in the chicago deal. if chicago were willing to give noah, then im all for it, but i just dont see it

by tea time on Jun 14, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question on Sign & Trade salary matching

Do sign&trade deals still need to match up salary-wise?

For example, if Bosh signs for say $18M/year, do the raptors have to take back $18M +/- 15%?

In this Bynum scenario, since he makes $12.5M/year, would the Raptors need to take back another $5M-$6M in salary? (which, from the Lakers, means some garbage like Vujacic or Walton)

by B.C. on Jun 13, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I think there are some slight differences, as in you don’t have to wait 2 or so months to trade a guy after signing him to deal him if you S&T. But it’s generally like any other trade and the 15% matching would still be there.

by bigweeze on Jun 13, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what I figured

so, any Bynum trade is essentially “taxed” with either Walton or Vujacic… I’d rather have a Hinrich or Deng in a Bosh-to-Bulls scenario than either of those clowns from the Lakers.

by B.C. on Jun 13, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

Vujacic is an expiring, so he is no tax, he is an asset

by renato on Jun 14, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes to Morrison...No to Vujacic

According to Hoopshype, Vujacic has one more year at $5.5million. Would rather take Morrison.

by cmrm123 on Jun 14, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Morrison just has a qualifying offer...

He does not have a contract for 2010-2011 – there is a qualifying offer of $6.9M (based on his old rookie contract), but that would never be picked up.

Vujacic would have to be the extra salary thrown in ($5.5M in 2010-2011).

by B.C. on Jun 14, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression that qualifying offers could be used to make the trade numbers work but following the trade, the Raptors could withdraw the qualifying offer.

by cmrm123 on Jun 14, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

that is why Vujacic it is an expiring. The fact that Morrison does not have a guaranteed contract is actually a liability as Raptors goal is not to shed salary but to be able to trade for players. Hence they could trade Vujacic and get somethig back, but they could not trade Morrison.

by renato on Jun 15, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes sign and trades follow the standard NBA rules for a transaction. That is why some of us are pushing (in blog) the Raptors to trade with a team over the cap as opposed to under it. If a team is over the cap they will have to move a salary or three out in order to accomadate Bosh which if negotiated correctly (read Toronto has a lot more power here) could net Toronto a decent return. If the team is under the cap, that team could give up nothing more than the absolute trade minimum of a 2nd round pick (and if they wanted to be really dirty they could put enough conditions on it that we would never see it a la Solomon deal a few years ago with Sac town. They can do this because they can sign Bosh outright if the cost is too steep for them in trade and they can tell Toronto to shove it and we get nothing other than the pleasure of not having to pay the best PF in the game to play for us anymore.
As to your specific question about Bynam, yes, Toronto would probably have to take another salary to make it work. If Toronto was to deal with the Lakers they might find a third team to add into the mix which could expand what Toronto gets back and the third team getting either cap relief in the near future, either Vujacic or Morrison, or a couple of players that can help that team, Walton and Brown perhaps. I doubt LA will pursue a trade for Bosh because they cannot afford Bosh at this stage. They would have to move out at least two players and maybe more in order to make that deal work and their bench is already woefully thin as is and considering that LA has $57.5 million dollars invested in only 3 players in 2013, I do not think they want to field a team of 4 for $75 + million at that stage, especially when they do not know what the new CBA will be like.

by McGateway on Jun 14, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Old Kobe for 30m is frightening.

by bigweeze on Jun 14, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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