Just When You Thought The Hedo Situation Couldn't Get Any Worse...
Franchise returns from a weekend of wedding madness in Palm Beach to find that somehow a bad situation with Hedo Turkoglu has become worse...
"...Wall's arrival starts the clock on the eventual departure of Gilbert Arenas. While it's possible for the two to play together in the backcourt, especially if Arenas is willing to play off the ball as a spot-up shooter, it makes little sense for a rebuilding Wizards squad to cling to a declining 28-year-old who ties up $80 million over the next four seasons.
Amazingly, given his history and contract, there may still be a market for Agent Zero. The most likely scenario would have Washington take on an equally unpalatable contract with a shorter expiration (say, Eddy Curry from New York, or a combination of Erick Dampier and Matt Carroll from Dallas, or Marcus Banks and Jose Calderon from Toronto) in return for Arenas, who was reasonably effective on the court last season but needs to move on for the sake of both sides..."
That excerpt was taken from John Hollinger's post-lottery discussion on ESPN.com. It highlights something we've kicked around here at the HQ before, the idea that to move some of the Raptors more onerous contracts, they'll need to take some back in return, or take a risk on a troubled soul that's fallen from grace.
Could that troubled soul be Agent Zero?
It definitely is worth discussing, and with Hedo Turkoglu's recent announcement that he wants out of Toronto, suddenly a move of some kind seems inevitable.
I missed the boat on Hedo's initial comments as not only was I in the strange parallel universe known as Palm Beach over the weekend for a wedding, but I also managed to lose my phone Friday night. (And yes, I can't tell you how excited I am to call Rogers and here that I need to pay $600 to replace it...)
Having now caught up on the situation and read most of the key talking heads' takes on the situation, I've got one thing to say:
What a mess.
Consider some points:
-A signing that I despised before it ever occured, and which looked bad enough a month ago, now looks like a vertiable Trojan Horse. Here was a player who had already killed his trade value thanks to his play last season, not to mention giant contract, and now he's essentially recreating the last days of Vince Carter. The problem is, Carter's value even with his contract at the time, was a lot higher - Hedo's an unathletic 30+ wing coming off arguably his worst NBA season, one in which he appeared to be a party-loving malcontent.
-As pointed out by the folks at Raptors Republic, regardless of whether or not Hedo is the bad guy here, the Raptors and Bryan Colangelo did a horrific job of dealing with him last season. From the get go he was coddled, then when it was essentially "too little, too late," the team came down on him for his supposed night out in Yorkville and eventually removed him from the starting line-up. Was he actually out partying it up? Who knows, and really, who cares. The issue is that perception is reality most of the time and not only should Hedo not have gone out in the first place, but the Raptors, shouldn't have flip-flopped on their attitude towards him after defending him through most of the season.
-What the hell was Hedo thinking with a public statement like this? Now Colangelo has his hand forced and will have to take whatever he can get in return for Turk. And as problematic as this is for the Raptors, this hardly amounts to a great situation for Hedo and his agent either. Now, an angry BC will simply take the best deal possible instead of trying to find a situation that works for all parties, like he did with the Shawn Marion sign-and-trade last off-season. Hedo may find himself dumped in a place like Minnesota just so the Raps can get some value for his "services."
-Bryan Colangelo's got some major PR work to do personally. Hedo Turkoglu now makes four key transactions that have been failures of different magnitudes, one for each season BC has been in charge. TJ Ford never fit with Jose Calderon, Jermaine O'Neal was 20 years older than anticipated and stunted Andrea Bargnani's development, Shawn Marion fit, but was a band-aid solution in order to move Jermaine O'Neal, and now we've got the Hedo fiasco. How exactly is he supposed to entice future free-agents to consider Toronto? I mean, the concern in the past was that US stars didn't want to play in Toronto so Colangelo was forced to rely more on European options. Now, a "Euro-star" who actually picked Toronto over a desireable US destination wants out too?
-Has the future of this team ever been so shaky? The initial assumption was that Bosh was probably gone, but the team would regroup with the results of a sign-and-trade, a solid draft pick and maybe something in return for Jose Calderon or Jarrett Jack. Now it's possible that the only starters from the bulk of last season who return are Andrea Bargnani and DeMar DeRozan and question marks abound.
-Even the draft process has been muddied! The team needed to look at "bigs" because of possible departures by Bosh, Johnson, O'Bryant, Rasho etc, yet probably needed to look at point guards too if Calderon or Jack were gone. Now, with only Sonny Weems, Marco Belinelli and DeRozan under contract besides Hedo, draft prospects like Gordon Hayward and Paul George need to be in the mix as well. In fact, Hayward is scheduled to work out for the Raptors today along with UConn's Stanley Robinson, Ok State's Willie Warren, and the much-hyped Texas freshman guard, Avery Bradley.
So now what?
Are we going to see Hedo moved in the next six weeks?
I've got a feeling we won't.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to hear Hedo make a statement where he rescinds his comments and apologizes for the outburst. As mentioned above, Turk didn't do he or his agent any favours by addressing things in this light, so the smart PR move would be for Hedo to eat his own words for now and have his agent make peace with BC. This way at least at face value things look to be ok and Colangelo could work behind the scenes to find a suitable trade option.
The tough thing is, even with such a public make-up, I'm not sure just who would be interested in Turk at this point. We're in the process of polling our SB Nation counterparts on the topic and we'll discuss the results in a future post but for now it's safe to say that there aren't a lot of options this side of Gilbert Arenas and Eddy Curry.
I'm not a big Gilbert Arenas fan, he's simply not the type of player I'd choose to build my team around if I were an NBA GM.
That being said, a healthy and focussed Arenas was at one point one of the toughest players in the league to defend, and one of the NBA's premiere talents. He's also a player that's in serious need of a change of an image makeover, and probably a change of scenery, much like our buddy Hedo. As Hollinger noted, with Wall onboard, it's quite likely Washington will look to rid themselves of his contract...and the Raptors, with some troublesome contracts of their own, might be a very interesting destination.
A deal that works financially would be:
-Gilbert Arenas and Nick Young for Hedo Turkoglu, Marcus Banks and Reggie Evans
Here's a link to the breakdown.
There are various other permutations possible as well, and perhaps Toronto would need to throw in a pick or other enticement to make it happen.
It really all depends on how desperate Washington is to rid themselves of Arenas. If they truly believe an Arenas-Wall back-court would work, then I think this option is out unless perhaps Jose Calderon replaced Turkoglu, and that hardly solves the "how to get Hedo out of town" conundrum.
And while I love the Portland trade idea some of our readers were discussing yesterday (Hedo
for Joel Pryzbilla (or Martell Webster) & Rudy Fernandez), I just don't see it happening unless the Raps are willing to throw in a pick or DeRozan etc.
As for Eddy Curry, that would strictly be a salary dump for Toronto and even that looks unlikely unless New York fails to land any of their top free-agent options.
For me, this really comes down to how bad Hedo wants out.
He and his agent have to realize that there aren't a lot of options out there for him right now, so playing things out in the short term to improve his value, knocking off the final year (player option) on his contract, or even accepting a buy-out all have to be in play if he's that keen on getting out of TO.
And that may be the one advantage Colangelo has right now. While Turk's public comments certainly don't make things easy for BC now, they also handicap Hedo who we have to remember is hardly a youngster at this point; aka - he's not just going to want to go anywhere the Raptors can trade him. It's in both parties' best interests to work together on this to get something done.
What that "something" will be I'm not sure, but it's certainly made an already interesting summer even moreso.
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I sadly agree with you
When I first heard of the story I thought that something did get lost in translation as, if the dislike of Toronto, from Hedo’s part, was of thad magnitude, that urge would have been better served by a statemetn behind closed doors. I believe his agent has already (or will) have some hard words with Hedo. The only way for him, not to be “just dumped” somewhere is to eat some humble pie. In an ideal case, for Hedo not to terminate his NBA career as a salary trade chip in pointless teams is to make a deal with BC, come back in top shape raise his value for being traded at the trade deadline.
The alternative fro Hedo is to e stuck in TO or to go to a even less palatable team. Yet again, good job Hedo, you have an absmal idea of your self worth…..
Absolutely. You read the whole translation and just shake your head.
Plus, I spoke to some media members who know for a fact that he wasn’t “just out for 20 minutes.”
Unreal.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey YOU have the solution
Hedo said that if he can be prooved worng he would void the contract and return the money……
Ball.
What a clown.
Regardless of how any NBA player feels about the management of the team, you cannot go public with this kind of crap… all you do is guarantee that fewer NBA teams have any interest in you (because you’re a whiny malcontent), and actually make it less likely that you’ll get your way.
Can we trade Hedo to a Euroleauge team?
Maybe a Nancy Kerrigan-style hit on his knee to get an injury exception on his ridiculous contract?
In a flash.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
His rep is bad enough
This won’t hurt that much. Teams have no interest because, relative to his contract, he sucks.
by Randall Flagg on May 31, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'M OPTIMISTIC
1. Even if Hedo sits and sulks … I will be happy. Look how much he HATES it… This is great leverage;
2. I think Hedo might be convinced to void his Player Option to increase his ‘exchange value’. I really do think it would be in his best interest to do so at this point – if he is serious about wanting out;
3. The NBA landscape will be a helluva lot different once the prize FA’s start signing and moving. This will greatly affect the entire Supply-Demand dynamics in the league – which might create opportunities to move a player like Hedo (hopefully with a terminated PO).
4. Hedo does have point-forward skills that some teams would covet; which helps us a little in a trade scenario and buy-out scenario (as the more he is paid, the less he counts towards our cap – I believe);
5. Detroit is looking to move Rip Hamiltons contract – which is simmilar (just saying);
6. SAC has a history with him; The Spurs need to shake things up (ie. Richard Jefferson); NJ has tons of holes that need filling; Cleveland without LeBron might bite; NYK and MIA could be left with their d**ks hanging out after the free-agency period comes to an end.
These are just suggestions; but I couldn’t be happier – even to watch him ride the pine for the entire year – if it irks him.
At least I can stop taking the (meataphorical) strong sedatives they put me on after he signed in Toronto — and for that – Jenge is grateful…
PS – Why trade for Gilbert and then get tightfisted and acrimonious with the purse strings with CB4? That’s Bass-Ackwards….
I didn’t mention this but the Arenas idea might be an idea to keep Bosh in fact…if it starts to look like he can’t team up with Wade or LeBron, wouldn’t an Arenas combo be a better alternative?
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
if arenas can score 28 points again i think bosh will stay for sure if arenas returns to his old self we will definitely be a deep playoff team
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
My only issues are:
1. this is a really really risky move; If they do it I will support it….
2. There is no ‘D’ in Arenas…
3. He blogs alot….
but seriously the worse arenas will be is an 18 point scorer he just needs to keep away from the guns
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
also the effects he will have on derozan and weems might be damaging
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm so confused.
Are you for or against trading for Arenas?
I’m neutral lol at first i was for it but now i see the risks that are involved so I’m neutral i think i was the first one to suggest the trade in a post about a week ago
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He does blog a lot
Love the last point ha ha…maybe secretly I want to recruit him for the site…hmmm…
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 1, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Can Arenas play defense?
Three of the four final teams in the playoffs were solid defensive teams. Given our legendary deficiecies on defense I don’t see how adding Arenas suddenly makes us a deep playoff team. Add me to the Just say kiss my @$$ to Arenas camp.
Nevermind, Jenge just answered my question.
hes not worse then calderon lol so are defense wouldnt get any worse then it already is
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The issue with Bosh has nothing to do with the money as even though many of us agree he is not a max dollar player, he will end up getting the max somewhere. The issue is whether Bosh wishes to return. If Toronto got Arenas somehow and dumped Turkoglu all in one motion then maybe Bosh might pause with the thought of hooking up with Arenas.
An even more intriguing trade possibility =
Toronto gets Arenas
Washington gets Vince Carter
Orlando gets Turk, Banks and Evans
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27bxv6v
Agree
This is more of a “if BC thinks there’s still a chance Bosh stays” scenario regarding Agent Zero.
And while I like the trade idea, I’ve had too many media sources tell me Otis Smith wants no part of the Hedo Turkoglu show again.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I find it impossible to believe that Hedo would ever wear out his welcome….
Franchise, please settle this question for me once and for all – does the man smoke cigarettes?
by RaptorsAddict on May 31, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha ha…I’ve joked about it on various occasions but I’ve never seen it or heard it from any direct sources. While I can say he was hardly the most “in shape” member of the Raptors, I don’t actually think he smokes…unfortunately… :)
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry to hear that
You just completely ruined my vision of him sitting around in his wifebeater after practice, taking a long drag his unfiltered cigs, which are flown in for him each week direct from Istanbul.
by RaptorsAddict on May 31, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL…damn, didn’t want to do that…
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and on a complete tangent
After reading your redirect over to RR and seeing their sweet hats, I thought I’d send along a vote for some type of HQ (also love the idea of a flex hat).
by RaptorsAddict on May 31, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve got some merchandise coming later this summer for sure…we’ve gotta get through the Draft, Free Agency and Summer League first ha ha…
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude...
…I’m officially pre-ordering my RaptorHQ hat right now.
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet…we’ll mark you down.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
rip would be amazing for us good vetran leader that could teach derozan and weems
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s certainly not helping matters though.
Why couldn’t he have dealt with this in some other fashion…
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not all that bad
I actually think that the situation works in the Raptors favour. Had Hedo not complained, would Bryan have attempted to trade him? Short of an anvil dropping on BC head, he does not recognize what pieces do not fit. Franchise, I do think that any trade with Bosh should involve Hedo because he (Bosh) did have a “big hand” in brining this Turkish clown into Canada.
There is no way… and I mean no way… he plays with the Raptors next season. Forget the team accepting to play with him. The fans will boo him harrrrrd!
The Gilbert Arenas trade looks likes the most ideal situation for the Raptors. However, Gilbert’s enormous contract would make me really worried about the Raptors future. I am a big fan of Nick Young because he is a talented player with a high ceiling for growth.
This begs the question: Is BC willing to take a chance in trading for a player with a questionable past?
ANSWER:
He brought in Stephon Marbury to Phoenix; and even back then Starbury was a head case moving to his 3rd team.
Anyhow, I agree that now Colangelo is forced to find a taker for Hedo which is really a good thing. That’s important because right now Hedo’s coming off of ONE bad year with a new team that may have not integrated him well into the offense; and Orlando looked like a sad bunch without him handling the ball. However, what do you say if next year he has an even worse season while being booed mercilessly (VC style) for 41 games, and everyone forgets about his contributions to Orlando because now he’s just a washed up forward with a contract that pays him more than a million dollars for every point in his scoring average.
I wish this weren’t true, but I would take Vince Carter back and send him to Orlando as the solution to their early playoff exit. In fact, that should be the next poll question because I don’t think I’m alone in this regard.
Rob
by 2nd Raps Fan in LA on May 31, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have ...
Agent Zero playing well with the potential to pull a gun in the locker room than Hedo “playing” at all.
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I would do a Hedo for Arenas deal this minute; I think the Raps throwing in their first rounder wouldn’t be too much to give up if the Wizards would take Banks as well.
Rob
by 2nd Raps Fan in LA on May 31, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Valid point
Didn’t even think about this but you’re right Mr. LA, BC HAS to move him this off-season if Turk doesn’t try and make up with the organization. If not, he’ll be crushed by the fans and media, and possibly reach an all-time low in value…not a pretty thought.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
In my order of preference:
1.Fat Eddie Curry (eat it hard for half a year and then turn his expiring deal into assets)
2. VC – I would boo him for 41 games if I had tickets (although we all know he’d have an “injury” after 2 games of being booed), plus VC probably has the most appeal from a trade perspective with his expiring contract at 17 mil + some contenders’ trade deadline 2011 belief that VC is the guy to get them over the hump, coupled with the fact that his stats are now padded from playing on a crappy Raps team. A team, I might add, which in all likelihood would be the softest in the history of sports.
3. Gilbert – just wayyyy too long and way too many crazy variables (both mental and physical). He is antithetical to the idea of getting out from an onerous contract and rebuilding because he hamstrings us for 4 more years.
by RaptorsAddict on May 31, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
but for the fact that
Eddie Curry and VC are ex players who haven’t been told they have retired already.
That a very good point, but...
…the odds of Hedo joining them in that category after sitting on the pine as a malcontent is 100%
by RaptorsAddict on May 31, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
arenas is a billion times better then hedo i am willing to accept him if hedo goes i would ratehr want javal mcgee instead of young good big man to pair up with bargs
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
FAIL!
Hedo’s garbage; get rid of him while there is a chance you can get something in return.
Just gives me a headache
Yeah, this is what everyone wants to hear about. For the guys that have said that if Hedo is telling the truth, that the Raptors fans and sites like ours owe him an apology, it’s still Hedo’s own judgment to go out or not. If you’re sick and your buddies ask you to go out, and you have work the next day, you damn well better not go out because you need to recover for work the next day. Nobody owes Turk any kind of apology and making demands like this just goes further towards painting a worse picture for our “big free agent signing”.
But come on, is anyone really surprised?
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on May 31, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions
Eddy Curry
How badly has your GM screwed up when the fanbase is hoping that said GM can turn their major free-agent acquisition of 2009 into Eddy Curry?
Ladies and gentlemen, it’s going to be one helluva offseason!
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 31, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
When you put it that way...
…I’ve gotta run to the toilet.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Salary Dump
I am warming up to the idea of picking up Eddy Curry from the Knicks in exchange for Hedo. The Raptors need to start cleaning up their cap situation and this would be a good step towards doing that. Calderon is probably movable to a team that has enough decent defenders to cover for him(Bobcats, Hawks, Portland, etc). Keep Banks and Evans who would come off the cap along with Curry next year. Play this year with a team of youngsters and then see what you can do next offseason. If Triano has one strength it is teaching and with a bunch of young (hopefully) receptive players you can play to this strength.
Next years line up might be: Bargnani, Johnson, DeRozan, Weems Jack; Bench – Bellinelli, draft pick, Evans, Banks; At home – Curry. This leaves out any return from a Calderon trade and from a possible Bosh sign-and-trade. Hopefully, those deals would bring back either picks/prospects or veteran mentor types.
Raps play hard, but probably lose a lot this season. They hit next offseason with a good draft pick and some cap space to either sign someone(unlikely) or acquire salary through trades(more likely) and hopefully some promising young talent with a bit of seasoning(’10 pick, Weems, DeRozan).
Agree but...
…it’s EXTREMELY hard to think about the team in this light, even if it makes the most sense.
Remember, BC was preaching the past two seasons about how the team wasn’t “that far off.”
Right.
Just a collossal failure.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This really goes back to the issue of whether BC has a plan or not as it is becoming more apparent that he doesn’t.
Bingo
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
@ Franchise, you know that Leon's trade for a dinette set is looking good now
It’s only $899.99 and don’t pay a cent for 3 years!!! Leon’s eats Hedo’s contract and we could fill the remaining balance with a leather coach, maybe an area rug, 50" TV… the possibilities are endless.
Seriously though, keep Hedo and bench him. He can spend the next four years of his life getting chirped by the fans and wondering why he signed the biggest contract of his professional career and then didn’t take it seriously. Like really, the team had to ask him twice to wear that mask, and potentially avoid a career ending injury. But Hedo said it would affect his delicate genious and he would not perform like the machine he is. GO &$ YOURSELF!!!
Dying
LOL.
I’d do the dinette trade in a flash…in fact, you’ve inspired a post for the weekend…
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, do you believe benching him for the next 4 years is the answer. I don’t know about you but if my work place offered to pay my salary for the next 4 years and told me to stay home I would be laughing all the way to the bank and I make a fraction of what Hedo does. Besides, the NBA will crack down on Toronto if they attempt it as it could create all sorts of legal issues heading into a lockout. The last thing the NBA would want is to turn Hedo into a poster child for the Players Union position.
I don't think he'd be laughing...
As lax as he seems it would definately hurt his ego. He requested a trade so he obviously cares about where he plays and he wouldn’t stay home. He would have to still come to games and practices or he would be fined. He would be like the “special” kid in school. Maybe it would teach him something. I heard he still wants to play for Turkey this summer, again, GO &$%# YOURSELF HEDO!
Don't blame the Raps for Hedo being a douche....
“shouldn’t have flip-flopped on their attitude towards him after defending him through most of the season”
I don’t agree with this at all. Just because you give someone slack for a bit doesn’t mean you extend the rope as long as they want. At some point something gives, and although Hedo may have seen his transgressions as minor, they were enough to ‘break the camels back’.
You can blame the organization for not bringing in enough talent, for making bad trades or signings, for going to easy on players… but there is no way the organiztion is to blame for this current Hedo situation.
What Hedo did was of his own doing. He made the choice. Everyone one of us here knows there would be hell to pay if we ran into the same situation at our jobs. As far as I’m concerned the punishment was rather light. Lots of players have received worse for just showing up late to practice…
by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 31, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
I don't know...
Here’s the thing.
I talked to an agent before All-Star break, one who had a player with the Raps, and he warned me of the Raptors doing way too much “catering” to Turk.
Plus, seeing the way BC hyped him up and let certain other things slide, I put some blame on the organization as well.
But don’t get me wrong, the bulk of this is Hedo, no question. I just don’t think the Raps are off the hook. I mean I heard nightmare stories like this from media who dealt with the Magic the previous year – didn’t BC do his homework BEFORE he brought him in?
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No Arenas Plz
we will be regretting that move for the next 5 yrs. I’d take any other trade scenerio but not Arenas. Arenas makes wayyyy too much money for a guy who isn’t even close to being one of the best in the league in any category. Also, why give up banks and evans, our “muscle” for weak a** , declining Arenas. NO THANKS.
As for Arenas
I would rather see Hedo payed 10 mil to sit on the bench for 4 years, then dish out double that for Arenas, his bad knees, his ridiculous ego, and his bad influence.
Besides Arena’s health and off the court problems, its been three years since he has played a full season. Even then he was the typical SG in a PG body, undersized (although strong) for the 2, more concerned with his game than his team, plays no defense, doesn’t share the ball, streaky player.
I can’t picture him being anything more than what Iverson was for the last few years of his career…. a drain on whatever team he plays for
by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 31, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
thank you
I’d even bring Hedo off the bench before bringing in Arenas, that would be a horrible move for our franchise. Let’s not let our disappointment for Hedo cause us to promote even worse players/contracts. I’d take Hedo anyday over Arenas
Couldn't agree more
People are still thinking of the Gilbert Arenas from four years ago. He has played less than 50 games over the past three years due to serious knee injuries and suspensions. When he has played, he plays the point but does not share the ball, shot a low percentage and doesn’t bother to try on defence. And he is owed $80 million over the next 4 years…double what we owe Hedo. Look, I’m no fan of Hedo and if we can move him great but lets not move a problem for another problem thats twice as big.
I think the issue is that the Raptors options are limited here. If HT sticks to his guns and forces a trade there are limited trading partners who would be willing to take a flier on him and you can bet that we will have to take some crappy contract back. Gilbert is the best of bad options as even though he is a huge risk he at least has shown that he can play at a reasonable level. But it is a HUGE risk.
No question
It’s a huge risk on many levels, but having a malcontent like Hedo around would be even worse I’d argue. At least Arenas would be playing and possibly regaining some trade value for another flip.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think
This is another case of hoping for the best but not planning for the worst.
You could just as easily have a malcontent with Arenas as with Hedo, and you sure to have a larger mouth and bigger contract.
While, assuming all the stars align themselves properly, Arenas may have better potential results (and I honestly think it will never be achieved, and was really an overrated player to begin with) he also has a much larger downside.
I think a malcontent Turk is a less risky proposal than an unkown Arenas.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 31, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely agree but it doesn’t completely mitigate the risk. We should go into any Arenas scenario with our eyes wide open. I think too many fans have just taken for granted that everyone that comes here is great and with Arenas we just do not know how he will fit here or whether he will stay healthy enough to make an impact.
LOL Lmao
What are u talking about HEDO’s a better option than arenas are u senile, or crazy , wow hedo is a no differences in a game from start, middle and last quarter , but arenas can make a offense better and break down a zone defense which only one of our point guards can do Jarret jack
I’m not a big Gilbert Arenas fan, but the guy has more years in him than Hedo has in both of his leg’s
guns guns guns please people , u love to hate , its not like they caught him , he gave him self up to try to get help but u all trying to damage him but any team would take him , have Bargnani, Calderon hedo work as hard as Arenas, in any season up till Now NO, why u people hate a NWA
I say get prince from Detroit for hedo and more
by Real raptors fan on Jun 3, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Analogy.
The Iverson comp is spot on, with the only potential difference I can see being that Arenas does tend to be driven by people doubting him, and he’s young enough that he could return to pre-injury status. I just don’t want to waste the next 4 years finding out.
by RaptorsAddict on May 31, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. Colangelo??
who said the raptors fans need to apologize to hedo? i thought it was said that you need to think twice before labeling someone as party maniac taking the fact that he has a wife and a baby into consideration…by the way nobody talks about it is our genius gm colangelo who gave him the contract….and some of you guys, get some f.cking information before jumping into the conclusion..yes you who said ‘’this turkish clown’’
I hear u....
But with his this latest development – Hedo has opened the door to all kinds of shenaningans.
I hope that we can keep our comments focussed on Hedo’s character and caliber as a ball-player; and not on his nationality, or skin color etc…
By the way I’m more concerned about his child and wife – if he is indeed partying like it is alleged. Not that they will want for money….
I think that once Hedo moves on – we might find the whole truth. It wouldn’t surprise me if MLSE has had a Private Investigator look into these allegations.
However, I do think it is fair to compare Hedo to a an expensive piece of furniture.
@entyptor
Why are you so defensive about this? Why do you feel sympathy for someone who is getting paid over $10 Mill a year, trust me he doesn’t feel any sympathy for you. I agree that BC made this mess, but that doesn’t give a player the right to go into cruise control. Alot of players have wives and kids, but they still show up to training camp. He deserves every ounce of critizism he will receive in the coming months, and he will see by how many teams want nothing to do with him that he’s not as good as he thinks he is. Now he wants out? He signed a large contract, but now he’s upset and he wants out. Awwww, poor Hedo, everyone is against him. Didn’t Vince Carter own a club here? I never heard any rumors about partying with him. Hedo made his own bed, and we should have seen this coming when he verbally agreed with Portland and backed out at the last second.
I’ve talked LOTS about my disdain for BC’s acquisition of Hedo. In fact, I’ve been told to stop talking about it so much.
Above everything here, Colangelo brought this mess upon himself despite all the warning signs.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, forget Portland
He had his chance. We’re very glad he chose as he did.
As for the Wizards…I lived in/followed WASH for years, and fully agree they should dump Arenas ASAP. But not for Hedont. I’d rather take on Curry and sign him to an extension.
fair enough
that shows Hedo did not do himself any good. Possibly as of now, TO is the only team in the NBA where he can play. One should expect more wisdom/business sense in a person in his 30s. He has managed to wipe out any goodwill gained troughout his career and put himself in a position where he has everything to proove. Posters here mentionned BC hands are tied now; I would say Hedo’s hands are tied even more, very likely now he HAS to come back to TO with his A+ game or accept to be out of any team with meaningful aspirations…..
I still believe the Raps will have a nice team next year, possibly a S&T with the Lakers will bring back Bynum and Vujacic. Vujacic + Banks + Evans give 13? 15M expiring + MLE + the trade of one of the point guards. It comes across as a good starting point for making some trades.
I believe edo’s comments did not affect BC or the organisation credibility with free agents or players I believe BC has built a reputation of being a fair broker and by looking at reactions Hedo’s story is generating, it seems like his stupidity has backfired.
I'm not saying an Arenas trade won't happen
Everybody’s tradeable. I really just don’t like the way Hedont conducts himself, and he never was worth the contract. Gee, sounds like Arenas.
If Gilbert’s healthy, I’d rather have him, but he needs to go regardless. New owner, top pick in the draft, they kinda need to get off on the right foot.
by Randall Flagg on May 31, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Please no Arenas!
He still has some talent, but the man is a straight up moron who just doesn’t get it. The gun incident was horrendous, and his actions after it show he’s still too immature to take a chance on.
If I could think of something witty, I'd put it here.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 31, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
Arenas
if his contract wasn’t so bad I could understand wanting him instead of hedo but that guy hasn’t been healthy or playing anything close to all star calibre basketball for over 3yrs, how can any GM in their right mind handicap their franchise by taking on 17mil and rising for the next 4yrs? Just to get rid of Hedo? BC should be fired if he crippled the raptors salary cap over Gilbert “rapidly declining” Arenas.
That’s the reason I asked our media panel a few weeks ago if “Colangelo should be fired.”
On one side there’s the cultural change he’s tried to implement, the Atlantic Division title, and on average a better record than the previous years.
However he’s now made a complete mess of the team’s salary situation, lost its best player ever in all probability, and perhaps plunged the team into the lottery zone for the foreseable future.
So…
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Franchise
you are starting to sound like you slipped off the fence into the doom and gloom side of raptors fandom.
Careful over their, they don’t like it when you try to get back up…..
by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 31, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so much doom and gloom, but it’s hard not to be incredibly frustrated by the past two seasons, especially because a lot of folks could see this coming…
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He sure has overpaid players to come here and most of them simply don’t work out. I wouldn’t fire him for one reason and one reason only, and that is at the end of the day he makes things happen. If we suck, he makes changes and if we still suck he makes more changes. I look at other teams around the league and it’s like their GMs are afraid to make deals and allow mediocre teams to just stumble along in mediocrity season after season. I’d rather have a GM like BC who isn’t afraid to continuously make moves until he finds the right mix. The problem here is how long is it going to take him to find the right mix. And how much more bad money are we going to spend before we get there.
Looking forward to hearing just how good Avery Bradely is; I’m not a fan but i could be totally wrong about his game, maybe he is a lottery pick after all. Looking forward to hearing your review.
The issues with BC go all the way back to our 47 win season. I really believe that the team caught even BC by surprise as I am sure he was looking forward to having a draft pick and an opportunity to bring in his own coaching staff. Instead, he lost the draft pick and had to keep Smitch. If you look at his moves that summer it was an early indicator that BC wasn’t really ready for the situation he found himself in as he made a number of questionable moves (signing Kapono, extending Joey Graham then bringing in Moon and Delfino to take away all his minutes etc). The team seemed to lose focus as instead of trying to continue to build it suddenly became about trying to improve a team with a very weak base in order to avoid the very situation we are now in. If he had not made those moves and instead simply admitted that the 47 wins was a fluke (due to the entire Eastern Conference being so weak) he might have had some latitude with me at least.
Nobody counts how many losing seasons you have, only your two EOY trophies.
BC is a jackass. He sold out our long-term success for short-term success.
That situation was prime for tanking.
Amen brother. I think the mistake he made was trying to cater to Bosh when there was very little chance he could keep him baring a miracle. What he should have done last year was:
1. Draft a backup PG for Calderon. It was a PG draft and BC drafted a 2 guard. Guess I do not need to say more than that.
2. Do the sign and trade with Dallas.
3. Do the trade with George for Italian number 2.
4. Do the trade with Milwaukee.
5. Sit on his cap space until this year.
Think about it. If Toronto had the cap space and had sucked for all of last year, got a good draft spot and had 10 mil plus to play with, don’t you think we would have a much better argument for Bosh to stay? Just saying.
News Headlines should have been:
money burns hole in stupid man’s pocket
Vujacic.
I’d like to see that guy in a raptor uniform coming off the bench. If we like the idea of having a point forward, I say get rid of Hedo and bring in a 6’7 205lbs Vujacic to play that role.
I don't know...
Though I don’t know much about him myself, my brother is a die hard Lakers fan and does not have good things to say about Vujacic. Says he looks like a “hysterical Muppet” on defense. What would he bring to our team besides a great impersonation of a panicked Kermit the Frog?
Vujacic.
he’s definately not a defensive stopper. When he just came into the league he only weighed 194lbs and he was really weak. He’s now 205 and probably a little tougher because of his experience with te lakers but still is not and probably will never be a defensive guy. He does handle, create and shoot (streaky) well and that’s a skill set we could use. And he’s 26 so just getitng into his prime. He’d be useful but not a star.
Good lord, no more Euros please.
I hate to use such a broad brush, but most of them should be benchwarmers anyway.
PS
I’ll talk about this tomorrow in our draft workout breakdown, but BC didn’t talk to us about the Hedo situation today. In fact, we were told there would be no commentary on the issue, but we could “take a swing at it” if we wanted.
It’s rare that Colangelo doesn’t at least come over at the conclusion of workouts to talk with the media so you gotta think he’s pretty pissed about Hedo’s comments.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on May 31, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
i have a gut feeling arenas will have a breakout year this coming season
apparently he’s healthy, from what i read. he’s coming back from a suspension and his reputation as a all-star player has absolutely tarnished. now gilbert is that type of player who excels when he has something to prove. well this year, im sure he will prove to a lot of nba gm’s that he is still that all-star player he once was.
now hedo in the other hand will do anything to be traded from the raps. he hasnt done anything here and has made a fool out of himself. you know he’s not even going to try this season if he does return to the raps as he just seems lazy and doesnt care. his game also does not excel in our system so you know hes gonna have another off year.
now i know hedo’s contract is less than gilberts but dont you think gilbert is the better player to have? here we can finally have a player who can score, so bargs doesnt have to be that number 1 guy. and if we take gilbert, we dont need to take a flier on a pg like bradley since theres so much debate about whether he’d be a good contributor to this team. if hedo is traded for gibert, then we can finally go after a sf in this draft (possibly patrick patterson, damion james, paul george) who seem to be players who can contribute right away on this team instead of drafting a pg or big who seem like long term projects in our draft range.
am i the only one who feels that gilbert will have a breakout season? he excels when proving his doubters wrong, thats his style. hedo doesnt give a crap, hates this team, and our boos will just make him feel worst and not make him a better player. and maybe, just maybe if gilbert does have an awesome season, his trade value will go up again. he’s still only about 28 i think while hedo is 31. this is why i think we should take a gamble on gilbert. just my opinion
I'm not a believer
I think Gilbert’s best days are behind him but he still might have some game left. The question is is that “some game left” worth a crippling 17+mil for the next 4yrs and will he take us anywhere that a solid pg like Luke Ridnour can’t? 3 yrs of declining play, suspensions and injuries doesn’t give me any idnication that the next 4 years at 17+ is worth the gamble.
Unfortunately Blakes contract isn’t high enough to work a deal for Turkoglu. Arenas may be heading on the downswing but you can not confuse his work ethic with almost anyone elses in the NBA. Gilbert is only average talent wise but he makes up for it by working his ass off. You can question his off court decision making but you cannot question his work ethic and I really think that can only be a positive on a number of younger Raptors (yes I am looking at you Andrea).
Arenas was gambling with teamates, which most teams frown upon. He threatened a teamate with violence and brought guns to work. No way is Arenas any kind of positive influence on our younger Raptors. I can’t comment on his work ethic because I’ve never heard one way or the other about it. But he is a thug and obviously poison in the locker room.
Yes because we all know that the rest of the NBA is filled with boyscouts. It takes 2 to gamble. The whole situation with Arenas was overblown and if he played in half a dozen other NBA cities he wouldn’t even have had his guns confiscated. Nobody is saying he is perfect but you cannot fault his work ethic. Name a player in the NBA and I will point to a bonehead.
Kobe – the rapist
Wade – cheater and scam artist
Lebron – So full of himself
Bosh – Dead beat dad
Do I need to go on? The only difference between the above list and Arenas is that Arenas stepped up and admitted he did something stupid. He even tried to protect Critterton. Seems like a good role model for young players to me. Besides, you know he will be on his best behaviour because its his last chance.
Kobe- ALLEGED rapist. The case was settled and I can tell you that any woman who was actually raped would want justice, not money. Cash can’t heal those wounds, trust me.
Wade- I haven’t heard enough to form an oppinion. So I’ll give you that one.
Lebron- Bang on. Can’t stand him.
Bosh- Really? What are you basing this on? What do you know that the rest of us don’t?
But that is all beside the point, none of them threatened to shoot a teammate.
Arenas may have admittied he did something stupid but only after he had tried to downplay it and joke about it. I’m not condemning his work ethic, like I said, I haven’t heard enough one way or the other about it to form an oppinion. He may come to Toronto and be on his best behavior, or he may come into Toronto and kill our locker room (either litterally or metaphorically).
Here is what I know about Arenas
He is viewed as a huge PR problem in Washington
He has a huge contract which he has yet to live up to
He is injury prone
He has threatened at least one teammate with violence
That’s enough for me to say no. He is not worth the risk. I would rather trade Hedo for fractions of a cent on the dollar and rebuild properly than have a poison pill like that on our team. I don’t care that the only reason he had his guns confiscated was because of laws in Washington. What bothers me is the threat.
Kobe would at the very least be an adulterer, which is normal by NBA standards but still. Same with D-Wade and his Miami escapades.
I find it funny that you agree with him about Lebron out of all of the guys on that list, who has gotten into the least trouble of all. Aside from the time he took two retro jerseys as a gift when he was in high school. But you just don’t like him so he deserves to be up there with the rest of em.
Also
I love the fact that you jumped all over Bargs for his “I’m lazy” comments (like many of the rest of us did) but you think the Arenas situation was overblown. o_0
also i dont really see any other trade options out there
i dont know why some of you think the knicks can trade curry, i thought his contract is up, and if it isnt why would they give up an expiring contract for hedo?
portland also doesnt want him, the gm is probably laughing right now after Turk’s season. and he, the gm, most likely doesnt like the way Turk handled the situation when he just left after almost signing with portland for more money in toronto.
orlando may also feel the same way, also who would they trade to the raps, Vince? thats worst than hedo, vince will never let himself be traded to the raps.
i dont know of any other takers right now, washington just seems to be desperate to get rid of gilbert because his rep. in that organization is over. they know gilberts good but now that they have that franchise player, i mean future franchise player in wall, then they need to get rid of gilbert because that was his team. gilbert just needs a fresh new start in a new team, plain and simple. we need his game, and i really dont mind his personality. i think our team is way too soft, a player like gilbert brings this team some “bad ass” which this team needs. our toughest player is reggie for goodness sake and he’s always in street clothes at the games. we need some swagger and we need to brings some guns in like gilbert.
ok hedo sucks we all know this nobody wants him so i think the best option out there for him is arenas. i would take arenas over curry any day at least arenas can still score
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
Sweet Justice...
Picture this, after Orlando’s collapse, Raptors get the Magic to agree to a trade to get (wait for it) Vince Carter for a Hedo package. Then, Vince Carter is forced to come back to the Raptors for his twighlight years and play for a God awful Bargani led team while we loose at least 50 games a year for a few seasons and aquire draft picks. Then when his contract expires we are positioned to rebuild. What irony, what justice. The same guy who whined and winged his way out is sent here to play out the string. Hey, Raptors fans could boo VC 41 times a year!
Look let’s face it, this team is an absoulte shit-show right now, an unmitigated debacle. Might as well make the loosing and general fan experience entertaining. For that same reason, I’d sign off on an Arenas deal. At least he adds some entertainment value, a spark to a team that is most likely not going to be worth watching for a few years.
disagree
depends what arenas shows up if teh 28 point arenas shows up we are back in the playoffs w or w/o bosh dependign on other trades BC can make
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me
Arenas has not put up any kind of numbers since 2006-2007. He is approaching 30 and has been largely inactive for 3 years. Rarely do you see players miss that kind of time and come back to anything resembling previous form particularly when serious injuries have been involved.
Even if he were to defy the odds and come back to his 06-07 form, we are still nowhere near a playoff team with him. Yes he scored 28 points a game but he shot less than 42%. If you go down the list of leading scorers from that year, you have to go all the way down to 36th (Mike Bibby) to find someone who shot as poorly. He gets points because he’s a chucker…and you want him to be our point guard. What about the influence on our younger players…no thank you.
I understand that it will be very difficult and maybe impossible to trade Hedo. He is a $10 million problem….why are we so willing to trade him for a $20 million problem. If Hedo can’t be traded, then he either gets his act together or he sits (which would actually send a good message to the younger kids who would benefit from his playing time). If he doesn’t want to show up, fine, then we don’t have to pay him…BUT please no trade for Arenas hoping for a miracle.
The thing is, what else is out there? A Richard Jefferson idea might be the only other option that makes some sense for all parties.
And have to agree – this would be a desperation move, another sort of Jermaine O’Neal shot in the dark to remove a malcontent and definitely would not guarantee a playoff spot.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 1, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not about hoping for a miracle. Gilberts number were not as good because he didn’t play much the last two years. We all know its a huge risk to bring Arenas here but its the best we might be able to do. As long as Gilbert plays it is an improvement over Turkoglu who may never play in Toronto again. I would rather pay 20 million dollars to a 10 million dollar player than pay 10 million to a guy to sit on his ass for 4 years. Either way this team probably will take a step back for a few seasons but if Areans comes and plays decently someone might be willing to take a flier on him down the road. Do you really think anyone wants to touch Turkoglu right now?
At least he is well rested!
One way to look at it. Hey, I think Arenas is an idiot, but he has skills, can put up numbers, and as posted elsewhere here, is very likely well motivated to show he can still play. Combine him at the 2 with Bosh, Jarrett, Weems and (cough cough) Bargnani there is a very solid starting 5. It gives Demar time to grow which he needs, shows a strong work ethic (which Demar needs), and assuming we re-sign Amir we continue to have a strong bench in Amir, streaky Belinelli, and whomever we get back in a Calderon trade.
EDIT -
sorry should have said Demar and Andrea need the work ethic.
and you would know this because?
(for both Demar & Andrea)
For Bargani because HE admitted he was lazy.
Which meens he lacks in work ethic.
However
I have yet to hear anyone complain about Demar’s work ethic.
that just means he's tellin the truth
that others in the nba are afraid to say. work ethic can mean a lot of things and its unfair for you to label him as having a terrible work ethic. im pretty sure when he says he’s lazy, he means that he gets tired like every other human being. he has to play lots of minutes, run back and forth, jump a whole lot, of course he’s going to be lazy. your taking this “lazy” out of proportion and making it into a huge deal when really its not.
Umm it is absolutely a HUGE deal. His coaches, fans, teamates, media everyone with a lick of sense has qustioned his rebounding and defense and these things come down to work ethic. The fact that he copt to it does not change the fact that he is not giving 100% effort, which is shameful. As for your “he get’s tired because he has to run and jump” argument – pathetic. Every single other NBA player has to “run and jump” and most of them manage to play both ends of the floor. So it is absolutely fair to critisize Bargani for not!
disagree
Arenas hasn’t done anything in a few years and he has sergically repaired knee. at 17+mil, there is no way he is a better option than Hedo. Brining in Arenas just bec we dislike Hedo is like taking a problem that is big and replacing it with a problem that is 3 times as big.
You’re thinking about old Agent Zero who was a sick pg and if we were getitng him i’d be thrilled but have you watch him over the last 3 years? oh right, he’s regularly suspended, injured prone (unfortunate but true) and when he did play he refused to pass the ball because he wanted to get his game back; all he did was take horrible shot after horrible shot in an attempt to get his groove back.
since when is 28 old I’m not trying to defend agents zero in any way but i think hes a better option then keeping hedo because at the very least he will score 18 points a game. liike I said hes the best scenario out there. I would do this deal especially if we get back nick young or javale mcgee
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with all the things you said about him but you never know reports are hes willing to be a number 2 option to john wall and hes working out really hard so maybe he can return to his old self
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If you believe Arenas is willing to be a number 2 option, then I have some swampland you might be interested in. Of course he is saying all the right things…he’s petrified that the Wizards will still try and void his contract over the gun possession charges.
Arenas is a shoot first point guard, who as member29 pointed out, looks after himself first as opposed to getting his teammates involved. He doesn’t play defense. Quite frankly, I would rather have Jarret Jack as my point guard.
exactly
Arenas is a 41% FG shooter who dominates the ball. He didn’t play defense even when he was healthy, and he’s been through 2 major surgeries since then.
Unless you are building a team like the Iverson-era 76ers (1 ball-dominating player who takes way too many shots, and 4 other players there to rebound and set picks), Arenas isn’t your guy.
The Eddy Curry option is all about cap space — no one honestly thinks that dude will play again… maybe he can team up with Oliver Miller and Shawn Kemp for some kind of bizarre reality show like The Biggest Loser.
But why would NY take Turkoglu for an expiring contract? Toronto would have to trade a lottery pick and maybe either Weems or DD or maybe both in order for NY to do that deal. The only reason everyone is pimping the Arenas deal has nothing to do with how good he is or might be, it has to do with the fact he is the best option available and even Washington may say thanks but no thanks.
Picture this, after Orlando’s collapse, Raptors get the Magic to agree to a trade to get (wait for it) Vince Carter for a Hedo package. Then, Vince Carter is forced to come back to the Raptors for his twighlight years and play for a God awful Bargani led team while we loose at least 50 games a year for a few seasons and aquire draft picks. Then when his contract expires we are positioned to rebuild. What irony, what justice. The same guy who whined and winged his way out is sent here to play out the string. Hey, Raptors fans could boo VC 41 times a year!
Can’t say I didn’t think of this a few times myself…although from what I’ve heard, the Magic want no part of Hedo again.
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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 1, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
FORGET HEDO, WE NEED SPREWELL
Sources: Carlesimo to join Triano’s staff
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5236564&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines
hmmmm
i can se why some of us here are alil worried about having arenas in the locker room with our young players and having a gun but think of it this way..arenas after what just happend was an embarressment to not only the team, the nba..but to himself. goin to jail is no joke, and hearing all this talk that hes a declining player and the wizards dont want him even around john wall, that should only motivate him to be a better player, when arenas is going he is hands down 1 of the toughfest players to guard in this league, and hes still young enoungh himself to gain his form back, a fresh start is what would be good for him.and like McGateway said earlier fearing that he would bring a gun is a mood point cause now that he has a record theres NO WAY IN HELL he would risk doing that again or face a longer jail sentence i just dont see that happening.with the amount of money hes making just be safe and hire bodyguaurds.but with all this talk about trading for arenas is there even a chance in hell of getting him? was there any rumors saying that theres a chance of a trade happening between the raptors and the wizards or are we all just having a fantasy trade talk? i think i would do the deal if it came up and if not..its like i said last week on here cause of so many teams palying so terrible in this years playoffs like the hawks, cavs and magic if the arenas trade doesnt work im sure theres going to be many other players that will be avaible for sure..this is gonna be the most interesting off season in leaugue history and it just got more interesting with this hedo saga
lol its just realistic fantasy trade talk no rumor yet but i would not be surprised if there was
by raptors_run_the_show on May 31, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Turk for Diaw
That is the latest rumour circulating the internet. I’d do that deal before I took on the risk of acquiring Arenas. Gilbert may behave himself off the court, but he is not a good team player on the court and would disrupt the team’s chemistry as well as the development of the young players. He will be out to prove himself this year which to me means that he will come out chucking. No thanks. Diaw doesn’t solve the Raptors problems, but he would be a lot more palatable guy to have on the roster than either Turk or Gilbert. I pray that Colangelo will be able to hang onto Toronto’s draft pick while dumping Turkoglu.
i dont see bobcats doing this
why? longer contract, diva, more money
diaw has 2 years less and is cheaper. the only why this would work is if BC was willing to give away draft picks but a-no-way i want that. especially when our talented canadian players (ie. tristan thompson, cory joseph) will be in the 1st round of the coming drafts. raps need to draft at least one canadian to get this team excited again especially if bosh leaves. and the only way to do that is to hang on to our draft picks.
Hedo’s trade request could land Bosh in Miami.
Hedo’s trade request could land Bosh in Miami.
http://swishand1.wordpress.com/hedos-trade-request-could-land-bosh-in-miami/
This is just random blogger speculation, roughly on par with the trade scenarios that we make up around here. I would reconfigure the trade to be Bosh + Hedo in exchange for Toronto’s pick, Miami’s pick this year, and a trade exception. The trade exception would open up more possibilities for moving Calderon and potentially increase his trade value.
P.S. – who wrote this article? The writer seems to know absolutely nothing about basketball and seems to just be throwing out trade scenarios. Granted we have all done it but saying Toronto could sell tickets with a declining Vince Carter is just moronic. Not to mention the exaggeration about stars not being in their right mind to want to play in Canada. Yes we have issues drawing players to Toronto but they do not have to be crazy, just educated.
“The Lakers would have to give up Lamar Odom or Ron Artest in such a deal. The Lakers don’t want Bosh that bad.”
Um, that is the stupidest thing I have read in awhile. So the Lakers would rather keep Odom and Artest over having Bosh? Believe this, if the Lakers could get Bosh for either one of those Ass clowns they would do it in a heartbeat.
i think that arenas is the best option because it might persuade bosh to stay and if it doesn’t then we need someone to replace 24 points and that person may well be arenas and not diaw
by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 1, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
One more point about Arenas as a role model. I was just reading an article on ESPN about Stephen Curry. It talked about how Stephen Jackson was mentoring him, teaching him the pro ropes, in Golden State before he got traded to Charlotte. You know, “shot my gun off outside a strip joint” Stephen Jackson. I rest my case.


















