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Triano's Gotta Get a Move On

Taking on the next year with a full head of steam is going to be Triano's main issue.   As we turn the page on the previous season and begin looking at the next, Vicious D looks at Jay Triano and wonders if he has what it takes to put the hammer down for the next year.

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Every single article we write is going to be prefaced with the scenario of "Bosh Stays" and "Bosh Leaves".  There's no denying his impact on this team as it is currently constructed.  In Bryan Colangelo's End of Year Review (or as I'd like to call it, The Day Franchise Gave Him the Third Degree), the Raptors' real GM was fairly non committal about many points and seldom talked in absolutes.  However, there's no denying that he wanted to hammer home a couple points as far as coaching was concerned.

Jay Triano will be back without question.

and

There will be a change in defensive coaching philosophy moving forward.

Neither, was particularly surprising if you've followed the Raptors for the past while.  With Sam Mitchell still on the books and Jay Triano having been more-or-less groomed for his position over the past 10 years, another year of Triano should shock no one. 

I know that I have not been Triano's staunchest supporter, but I certainly do not believe he's been the Raptors' worst coach.  We've well documented Triano's faults in the past months, and his strengths may be the perfect fit for a Raptors team looking to develop young talent should Chris Bosh leave. His ability to work with individuals as an assistant coach, his ability to manage minutes throughout the course of the season, and his ability to keep most discussions and disputes internal will help the development of a youth movement should Chris Bosh depart. 

There's also no doubt that I believe Triano will continue to infuriate us over the course of the next season.  There will be times when we just don't understand his lineup moves or his reasoning.  The hope is, however, that a change in his assistant staff will not be far behind. 

It's here where I believe that Jay Triano will make one of the most important decisions in dictating the course of next year.  Ideally, Triano has to find coaches who will compliment his inexperience with their own abilities.  With the Raptors needing to instill toughness on the defensive end, Triano should not hesitate in letting Marc Iavaroni go so he can head out and find a more North American-centric coach to take over the defensive schemes.   As many of us remember in the beginning of the year, the staff was intent on talking about implementing a system that would mirror much of  Kevin O'Neill's 2003-2004 team. 

Their plan was flawed from the start thanks first to the starting lineup of players who were being used at the beginning of the season and then again when Iavaroni and the staff readjusted their ideas and could no longer deliver a clear idea across to the players.  A tough-as-nails assistant has to be brought in to make sure that this team doesn't take possessions off.  A clear philosophy has to come from this individual who will need to demand personal accountability from each and every player. 

Young coaches like Tyrone Corbin who have trained under the watchful eye of a master like Jerry Sloan should be the amongst the first on the Raptors list.  An assistant who has had seven years under Coach Sloan and has learned the trade from one of the best, Tyrone Corbin would be a young up-and-comer who I think the Raptors could desperately use.  To sell a guy like Tyrone Corbin on Toronto, the Raptors would have to give him a larger role and he would have an opportunity to bring his own mark to the team. 

Heck, I think that the Raptors should even consider a coach like Bill Laimbeer.  Although he'd be a handful for Bryan Colangelo and Jay Triano, he would instantly bring some accountability to the roster and would help Triano in creating a tougher atmosphere. And while Laimbeer has been working as an assistant for the Minnesota Timberwolves after leaving the Detroit Shock of the WNBA, there's no reason that the Raptors should ignore his pedigree and the way he motivates his players to bring grit onto the floor.  Oh, and he also brings a culture of winning into the team.

Remember that philosophy from back in 2006-2007?

We could use more of that.

So for now, while everyone is watching the playoffs, the Raptors management staff should be looking to set the tone with a move that shows Chris Bosh that they're serious.  This move would send a clear message that things will not remain status quo next year and that this team is intent on being a top contender year after year.  It's this small move that can dictate the philosophy for the next couple of months as the Raptors do whatever they can to show Chris Bosh that he should stay.

It's a move like this that will signify to the NBA that the Raptors mean business and will not allow a repeat of the last two years' events.

It's time to put the pedal to the metal.

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I would definitely endorse a move along the lines that you are suggesting. Whether Bosh stays the Raptors need a coherent defensive gameplan. One that is realistic based on their personel and most importantly one that gets results.

by DW19 on May 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely – time to get some superior coaching intellect on the sidelines if the Raps, as they seem, are hell-bent on keeping Triano. Watching Atlanta in the last series, I even miss Jim Todd.

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by Adam Francis on May 3, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent Idea

Sometimes I wonder what the hell the think tank in management is doing. This idea is so good how can BC ignore or hasn’t this even crossed his mind. This is such an important off-season that you can’t be satisfied with any part of your team right now. Suggestions like Tyrone Corbin and Bill Laimbeer are great people (Tyrone being a former Raptor) and Bill being (you know a Badboy). Iprefer Bill because he’s done a such a great job with the Detroit Shock. he would only salivate at an opportunity to really show his stuff in a effective coaching capacity how can you not even call the guys agent to see if he’s interested in a better job then minnesota " Let me use my best Joakim Noah’s impression" " What’s so good about Minnesota". I think letting Marc Iavaroni go is great idea. Great F—-ing piece !!!!! Makes all the sense in the world

by raptor fan 4 life on May 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I am curious as to why...

there are no rumours going around about the staff and players. The time for this team to make moves like this is NOW while a handful of teams in the playoffs are not paying attention.

You have to use this time to your advantage. Don’t tell me the Bulls, who are expected to clear house, won’t be looking to bulk up their staff.

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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on May 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know why either. I’d hope there’s a sense of actual urgency from the Raptors to get things done before Bosh makes a permanent decision to leave. These are moves that can be done to show Bosh that we’re moving in the correct direction.

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on May 3, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The longer this team waits to be active....

the longer the odds that Bosh re-signs.

I want action!

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on May 3, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keeping things quiet

If the Raptors are making these kinds of moves I hope they are being discrete about it. They can make their noise when they have something finalized. That could explain why things have been quiet so for (although more likely it is quiet because nothing is happening).

by DW19 on May 3, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Del Negro supposedly gone...

…so yes, the Bulls should be looking to ramp up staff in the very near future.

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by Adam Francis on May 3, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bosh Isn't That Concerned With Defense or Playing In Pain

Three things are clear about Bosh

1. He wants ot be the #1 man
2. He isn’t very convcerned about defense – None of his demands several weeks ago mentioned improving the defense
3. He would not suck up the pain in order to advance the team to the playoffs.

If the Raptors really want to win in the future they need to let Bosh go and do a good S&T with him.

He doesn’t exhibit the kind of leadership necessary to develop a culture of winning in the NBA.

While the Raptors last season were 0 – 7 against sub .500 teams when Bosh was out they were also a perfect 5 – 0 against sub .500 teams with him out. Since they were 35 – 35 with Bosh in the lineup it means that they were almost as good with him out they were with him playing.

by Buddahfan on May 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

If the Raptors really want to win in the future they need to let Bosh go and do a good S&T with him.

Odd are not high.

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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on May 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

3. He would not suck up the pain in order to advance the team to the playoffs.

Dude, the guy’s face was completely busted up! I have no doubt that the doctors said he could not play. I also have no doubt that Bosh would have played if he could have gotten medical clearance.

People complain about a lot of things in Chris’ game, but lack of heart shouldn’t be one of them. The guy has played with injuries (sometimes very noticeably so) before. He’s not afraid to attack the basket on offense and he’s frequently mixing it up with bigger guys fighting for rebounds on the offense.

Unbelievable what some people say. I guess I responded to troll bait, but really…

by siggian on May 3, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

His face was completely busted up.

You obvviously have no clue to what constitutes a completely busted up face.

His nose was broken as were some of bones around it.

I don’t believe that he had plastic surgery or even an extended stay in the hospital.

Guys have played with a lot worse.

Take some pain killers, they all do anyway; i.e. cortisone shots, put on a mask and at least make an appearance vs the Bulls.

by Buddahfan on May 3, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so perhaps not “completely” busted up in that he needs complete facial reconstruction, but certainly enough to KO him for the rest of the season.

He had surgery: http://www.nba.com/raptors/news/bosh_040710.html

Here’s what his doctor had to say about it:

- What sort of protection do you envision, for any possibility of him playing at all?

Dr. Marks: Ultimately, these things are protected with a custom plexi-type of mask that will be fashioned by an orthotist. At the appropriate juncture, a decision would be made for that to be done, potentially. It’s something that you would have to wait for some of the swelling to come down, make sure that someone is comfortable and that the bone has had a chance to set, get a little bit sticky and so forth and that takes a certain amount of time.

-When you say weeks are you talking three or six?

Dr. Marks: Like I said, each fracture has its own personality and no one has a crystal ball, unfortunately. We’re looking at time frames of at least the next seven to ten days before we get things reassessed and at that point we’ll have a better idea of which way things are going. Make sure his nasal passages are clear so he can breathe properly, so he’s comfortable, these sorts of things, the swelling is coming down appropriately.

Source: http://blogs.thescore.com/nba/2010/04/08/were-talking-fractures-dr-paul-marks-on-chris-bosh/

He got injured on the 6th, had surgery on the 7th. The Bulls game was on the 14th, which is only 7 days after the injury and is the minimum before they could even assess giving him a mask. No way he was going to play even with pain killers.

by siggian on May 3, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that doesn’t include the potential concussion issues that would come from a blow to the head. I know he makes a lot of money but you couldn’t really expect him to risk his life and future well being to play games that don’t matter, do you?

by McGateway on May 3, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really don’t blame Bosh here. He went to war for this franchise every single night that he could…so resting for a week after surgery I have no issue with.

Besides, had he played, would there REALLY have been much different of an outcome to the season? Perhaps a loss of a lottery pick?

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by Adam Francis on May 3, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Action....

I honestly dont feel any action at this point on behalf of the Raps is going to make a dif.
As much as I would like to see him stick around.
 T.Mac syndrome has started….Everybody line up and kiss my A…
Sign and trade ,getter done!!!
Move up in the draft Cousins ?

by d279 on May 3, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Move up in the draft Cousins ?

The cost would be heavy and what assets do we have to move up?

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Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on May 3, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

The cost would be heavy and what assets do we have to move up?

We apparently have one pedal and some ‘alleged scrap metal’ to trade…

by Jenge on May 3, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sign and Trade

You may have watched a young man on the Jazz team play last night by the name of C.J. Miles. He is 6-6 and drove to the basket without fear every time. What an impressive young player. I’m sure there are other lesser known but talented players around the league as well. Someone like that and a draft pick would be a great return for Chris B

by RT... on May 3, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Rondo Took More Than A Few Good Hits vs the Cavs, Got Back Up and Played

That one hit by Shaq was too painful to rewatch more than once.

Shaq must weigh about 150 – 175 pounds more than Rondo and Shaq absolutely flattened him.

Yet Rondo sucked it up, get back up and continued on for the entire game.

by Buddahfan on May 3, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s funny because CJ Miles was one of the most maligned players in the league for years…under Sloan though he’s finally started to come into his own. I guarantee had he been drafted by almost any other team, he’d be out of the league by now…a shot-happy Rashad McCants type.

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by Adam Francis on May 3, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

More optimism as we get further away from witnessing actual Raps games...

I like the sound of bringing in a new Defense Coach. Give him full credit and title so that if he can turn this AWFUL Raps D around next year, he will get the credit. Accountability on this squad is something that has been missing for a long time.

I assume that BC will work a sign and trade and get some value back from Bosh. The latest rumours from Houston sound really appealing. Houston is really hot on courting Bosh, and needs BC to get it done. If we can swap Bosh for Hill, Battier, Jared Jefferies and a first round pick; it won’t matter who the assistant coach is – our defence will improve considerably.

I also think it improves our chances for the future more than resigning Bosh. Getting Bosh back at the max means more of the same. Playing our biggest chip helps us really create an element of change. Yet another summer make over, but look at this line up:

Bargs
Amir Hill Evans
Battier Turk Jefferies
DeRozan Weems Bellinelli
Calderon Jack Banks

The striking thing to me is that there is still plenty of trade bait there. Evans, Banks, Jefferies are all fair size expiring deals. There are many interchangeable parts at both guard positions. Add in one or two first rounders and the MLE… the future may not be so dim after all.

Walker McKenna

by Robert Archibald on May 3, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

To play devil's advocate -

obvious flaws with this roster -

1. Would average less than 10 FT a game.
2. Heavy offensive load on Hedo and Bargs, neither of whom play with adequate consistency
3. No-one to draw a double team
4. Hill is VERY raw and Amir is foul prone…where is the rebounding.

I do however like the upgrade on D at the wing position and a steady vet in Battier. Can’t see Houston giving him up though. They LOVE him.

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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on May 3, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

if not him then ariza we need one of them and a draft pick that they got from newyork that would help alot

by raptors_run_the_show on May 3, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since I'm usually attacking, a little defence is nice...

Remember, the depth diagram I included, not simply to highlight our depth, but to point out some of our assets for future trades.

1 & 2 – Someone like Magette, would be available cheap and might be packaged with Biedrins for the right offer of expiring contracts and youth/picks. I’ve been trying to work out a trade with GS for ages. Magette for Jose would be most simple, and should work.

3 – Yeah, banking a lot on internal improvement. DeRozan, Bargs?, Magette? The standby counter argument is that we will play better as a team, sharing the ball and improving defence, like the old Piston teams.

4 – Hill is Raw, but he played well when given a chance in Houston. He and Amir will bring boards, toughness and fouls. They can focus on D and set hard picks for Bargs in the low post.

Battier is the key to that deal. Houston might love him, but they prefer Bosh, and have Ariza there to step in right away. It would be so nice to have a vet as the team captain (like Oak) instead of some young prospect that might walk away in their prime anyway (Damon, T-Mac, Vince, Bosh, Bargs? DeRozan?). Battier and Jeffries will need to be included to make the salaries fit, and Houston makes this deal in a heartbeat.

Walker McKenna

by Robert Archibald on May 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree...

to a point on some of this save for Magette – total me first guy, would be a horrible influence on DeRozan and Weems, and has never won anything, let alone do anything about it. From a fantasy standpoint love him. From a real hardwood standpoint – a MAJOR PASS.

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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on May 3, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree megette is a selfish player love beidrins though if we got him we could maybe look for a good deal for andrea. I dont like the idea of trading andrea but if we find a good deal that makes sence then we should do it

by raptors_run_the_show on May 4, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Corbin

Doubt a guy that coached under one of the best coaches for the past seven years would leave a team that seriously contends to become an assistant for a team that barely contends for the 4th spot…

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by zAIN J on May 3, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

You never know. But these are the kinds of minds the Raptors should be thinking about instead of guys like Marc Iavaroni.

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on May 3, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

triano

he sucks he was good as a assistant coach because he is good with the x’s and o’s but he cant handle the egos of players and keep them in check so i think we need a coach like avery johnson or maybe jeff van gundy

by raptors_run_the_show on May 3, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Why

Both Johnson and Van Gundy were fired from their previous coaching jobs. Why should we consider other teams cast offs a better option than developing the coach we have? Do we seriously think taking another ride on the coaching carousel is going to change our fortunes next season?

by Posterized on May 4, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is just brutal. I didn’t know Maggette was a big enough star in the league to get those types of non-calls. Maybe we should make a play for him. ; )

by Posterized on May 4, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

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