Everybody's Talking About Avery - RaptorsHQ Prospect Preview #4
With the fifth instalment in their prospect preview series, RaptorsHQ takes a closer look at Texas guard Avery Bradley, who seems to be an early favourite as the Raptors 13th overall pick in the upcoming draft.
It's May 28th
The actual NBA draft is still nearly a month away.
Yet many folks are already touting Texas guard Avery Bradley as the Raptors most likely selection come June 24th.
It's an interesting call considering a few key points:
- 1) The Raptors already have 3 veteran point-guards on their roster and Avery projects to be more of a 1 at the next level.
- 2) He didn't have a great season at Texas, and the Longhorns considering their talent (they boast three potential NBA draft picks this year) were an absolute flop.
- 3) Toronto is possibly losing Chris Bosh, Amir Johnson, Rasho Nesterovic and Patrick O'Bryant, leaving them with a serious hole up front. This draft, if anything, is deep in talented big men.
So what gives?
For starters, Avery has a number of very tantalizing attributes. He's very long despite his height (and even that is a solid HEIGHT for a point guard in the League), was one of the best perimeter defenders in college last year, can score in a myriad of ways and create off the bounce, is one of the fastest players in the draft, and a great athlete to boot.
In other words, many see him as the second coming of Russell Westbrook.
However prior to Russell Westbrook, players with many of his attributes have also turned into the likes of Keyon Dooling and Dajuan Wagner.
So again, this is the NBA lottery we're talking about here, nothing's guaranteed.
In addition, Avery hardly scored top marks in John Hollinger's recent statistical breakdown of this year's draft prospects. In fact, he finished with one of the worst scores of the entire class, something which should be a warning sign considering Hollinger flagged DeMar DeRozan last year as being a potential bust.
That being said, combo guards with only a year of college experience have traditionally struggled in Hollinger's system due to lack of data. The best example of this is the 2008 draft, where Eric Gordon, Westbrook, DJ Augustin and OJ Mayo all received poor scores from Hollinger. All of course have gone on to at least be productive NBAers and had solid rookie seasons.
So instead of relying on mock drafts and pure analytics, I thought we'd talk to someone who spent the bulk of the year watching Bradley, Wescott Eberts from SB Nation's blog on all things Texas Longhorns, Burnt Orange Nation.
Here's what he had to say:
Clearly, the first thing that deserves mention with Bradley is his defensive ability. At 6-2 with a 6-7.5 wingspan, Bradley excels on the defensive end with his combination of high motor, length, and exceptional lateral quickness. In high school, Bradley often made it difficult for opposing point guards to even bring the ball past halfcourt and in one game forced two timeouts in a half simply by pressuring his opponent one-on-one in the backcourt. With that said, Bradley struggled at times playing the pick-and-roll and, more notably, often got lost his man when playing defense off the ball. Both are areas in which Bradley should improve at the next level because he works hard at being a strong defender.
Offensively, Bradley has made great strides over the last several years, most remarkably in the consistency of his jumpshot. Avery may struggle with the deeper three-point line in the NBA, but his developed mid-range game should translate to the next level. The problem in college for Bradley was that he was extremely streaky and inconsistent. It seemed that if his first shot fell, he had a strong chance at having a good game, but often faded for long stretches and struggled to find a rhythm if his first several attempts didn't fall. He works hard on his jumpshot, but he's not a pure shooter by any means, often missing shots badly and hitting an atrocious 55% from the foul line in his single season at Texas.
The major issue for Bradley is finding a position at the next level -- he's not a point guard and doesn't have ideal height for the shooting guard position. He doesn't have particularly strong handles and is extremely right-hand dominant, showing little ability or inclination to go left and that's going to be a major problem for him. However, Bradley has exceptional straight-line speed -- he will be one of the fastest players in the league and it was impressive watching him blow by his competition in the open court even in a setting like the McDonald's game coming out of high school. Bradley is also an exceptional leaper, posting a vertical of nearly 38 inches in pre-draft workouts and wining the dunk contest at the McDonald's game, but often didn't finish with assertiveness around the rim, settling for layups instead of dunks.
The best-case scenario is that Bradley develops into a sort of Russell Westbrook-light with a better mid-range jumpshot, but Bradley just isn't as strong a finisher around the rim and could struggle when opponents take away his right hand. In addition, he doesn't appear to have great vision and lacks experience running the pick-and-roll and often forced passes unnecessarily, leading to a 1.37 A/TO ratio.
His athleticism and defensive ability give him a relatively high ceiling, but the lack of a true position and inconsistent shooter are truly worrisome. John Hollinger's projected PER doesn't like Bradley much and given his strong track record predicting future NBA success with that metric, I think it's cause for some major concern with Bradley, who probably needed to come back for his sophomore year to improve his ballhandling skills and become a more consistent shooter.
A big thanks to Wescott for the incredibly insightful analysis.
So where does that leave us in terms of the HQ's take on Avery as a prospect?
Right now we've got him ranked at number six on our draft board for a variety of reasons, first and foremost, because we're not completely sold on his pro potential. Unlike Westbrook, who showed at UCLA that he could run a team and had NBA upside, having watched Bradley, I haven't seen the same wow factor, or leadership. And unlike Westbrook, who was stuck behind Darren Collison, or Rajon Rondo, who was stuck playing the 2 in Tubby's Smith's offense for big chunks of time, Bradley had the reigns himself this past season, and as previously mentioned, couldn't lead a very talented Texas team deep into the tourney.
As you can see from the following clips put together by Hoopmixtape.com, he's definitely a supreme talent, especially in terms of athletic ability, but the draft is full of athletic marvels who just couldn't put it together at the next level. (Cough, cough, Gerald Green...)
Most important of all though?
I'm just not convinced he'll be around when the Raptors pick.
ESPN.com already has him going to the Pacers in their latest mock and I'm guessing several other clubs looking for point guards (in a draft with very few quality options at that) will be paying particular attention to him as well.
So even if you buy the Avery hype, something I don't quite subscribe to, then there's a good chance you may still be disappointed come June 24th.
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sounds alot like...
the Ben Gordons, Juan Dixons and such of the league…
To short for SG, but not a real PG. Always leads to bad things…
couple other things caught my eye
- not a good finisher at the bucket, while also not a shooter (so he exclusively has a mid range game)
- bad decision maker and horrid ast:to ratio
-can’t hit foul shots
why exactly do they like this guy? Because he is athletic, but can’t finish? A PG that can’t make good decisions, doesn’t like to pass and doesn’t have range?
Gotta say not sounding to promising….
by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 28, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions
Yep – that’s the big worry…and while he’s actually a higher recruit than John Wall at one point, the entire package hasn’t shown up at this point. So do the Raps take a chance that his basketball skills catch up to his speed and athleticism?
Big question.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on May 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That video is obviously misleading
2 minutes of dunks, dunks, and more dunks, yet he can’t finish around the rim???
The long arms and high vertical make me think of Rondo — who also couldn’t shoot or finish or play the point very well in his short time at Kentucky.
Bradley ?
I just pulled 9 up to date mock drafts and none of the 9 mocks have us coming out with Bradley ?
Patterson 2
Davis 2
Whiteside 1
Orton 1
Aldrich 1
Henry 1
Monroe 1
I dont see it where everybody is saying Bradley is coming our way?
The Raps sent scouts to see him early on which ESPN picked up on, and RaptorsRepub (see link early in article) has been touting him as the pick since Day 1.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on May 28, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
intention ?
My only intention was to point out that a number of mocks have us selecting other players besides the “everybody talking about”…I read both your site and RR everyday,and yes he seems highly touted by a few,but what I was tring to say was as of right now …
29 sites from some pretty good people are suggesting the following:
Davis 5
Patterson 4
Whiteside 4
Donatus 3
Henry 3
Monroe 2
Orton 2
Udoh 1
Cousins 1 lol
Jones 1
Aldrich 1
BRADLEY 1
Its all about the defence
Perimeter D is the biggest problem on this team. I’m so sick and tired of watching this team not be able to stop anyone. Yes we are losing some big men, but the last thing we need is some project big man like Orton or Whiteside that is getting schooled by Hilton Armstrong. We need help now. Bradley is a perfect fit in that he is tenacious on D and has the wingspan to cover two’s if we are playing a Kobe or Joe Johnson. Also, by not being a true point, we can turn the ball handling duties to Hedo so we can maximise him.
The defensive piece intrigues me for sure, and for that reason alone I’d be ok with the pick.
That being said, there are a few others guys I’d prefer at this point…
…but of course things will change once we see some workouts etc.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on May 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade the Pick
There isn’t anyone at 13 in this draft that’s going to help us. Package the pick and get a veteran to fill one of our many holes. When we start taling abt Avery, Orton & Henry for eg. it makes me feel less than enthusiastic about improving this team next year.
The question is...
are you trying to improve the team next season or for the future?
Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on May 28, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
A few points
The problem with drafting anywhere between 8-14 yr after yr is by the time your pick comes around; most of the franchise changing type of players have already been taken. Picking at 13 in this year’s draft probably isn’t giving us a guy who is going to be a star immediately or even in the future. Why waste time bringing in mediocre talent, guys who have to go through a huge learning curve before they become useful in a few years and even then they end up being average to below average players at best?
Picking at #13 is more than likely (imo) not going to net us someone who is going to have any real impact in the next season or 2 and even when that player develops, who knows if they’re going to be any good. Fans will have to endure another season of rookie/sophomore mistakes leading to more Ls.
On a team laden with youth in Weems, DeRozan, Bargs, Johnson, Marco, POB (if he returns) I don’t think we need another 19/20yr old at #13 in the draft. If we had a top 5 pick different conversation but at #13 you’re just making this team worse. Trade/package the pick for someone with experience to compliment our young players and maybe teach them how to play the game is the way to go; don’t just keep adding more mediocre youth onto mediocre youth or else we’ll be a 30 win team for years at that rate.
Like I said if we were talking abt a top 5 pick or even top 8 I’d have a different point of view but who are we picking at 13 in this particular draft that is really going to be a difference maker for us in the future?
At the end of the day, the draft is a crap-shoot, especially in the late lottery-end of first round. Many players get passed on and make teams regret it (Jennings for example – I read about how he regressed tremendously overseas the previous year). I would take a chance on this kid because he does fill a massive void and there really is no sure thing at the 13 spot anyway. We have some youth on our roster. Why not try and build with young projects with upside?
Because
That 75% of the times ends up being a very very very long and painful building process which, when u’re dealing with “projects” as opposed to proven young talent, leads to many years of losing eg Clippers, Hawks, Golden State. I was a boy the last time the Hawks had a good team. As a raptor fan, I don’t want to be a grandpa the next time this teams is good enough to compete and building with projects can make that a real possibility. Veterans know how to play and they know how to win, we need to go find a couple to add to the youth we have.
Why.
In fact, he finished with one of the worst scores of the entire class, something which should be a warning sign considering Hollinger flagged DeMar DeRozan last year as being a potential bust.
Why do you guys keep talking like Derozan is a bust. I don’t get it. Isn’t one year WAYYY too early to declare a player a bust?
Agreed
It is too early…
…that being said, there were about 20 draftees last year who outperformed DeMar on various levels. Maybe Hollinger’s stats screamed bust but for me, even if he turns out to be a rotation guy, I just thought there were better options out there last year.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on May 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d have to agree. I mean, you would assume that last summer, the focus was on building a playoff contender and keeping Chris Bosh happy… and they grab DeRozan. And they force him into a starting role that he was not ready for. And they waited far too long to pull him from the starting lineup when it was obvious to anyone not named Colangelo or Triano that DeRozan was not getting the job done.
Lots of other players were available that could’ve helped immediately. I still can’t get over how DeJuan Blair slipped all the way to San Antonio or Ty Lawson ended up in Denver. And before anyone cries ‘revisionist history’, Franchise will note that we had the exact same conversation around this time last year.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 28, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Here here
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on May 28, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I think we all know that this kid should not be a lottery pick and all the talk from mock drafts are just that, talk. I think if he is still available when we pick we should try and trade down a few spots and gamble a little bit here. If we can either get a young big (some people believe Spenser Hawes might be available in trade after the draft depending on whom Sac town drafts as an example) or get someone to take Calderon’s contract, then I say do it and draft Bradley as well.
That's a good point about trading down
While I’m high on him, there is a real chance that he could be had later in the first. He is all over the place on draft boards. Many teams either do not need a point or are not interested in a non-traditional point. If the offer was right, we would have to consider it.
I think this is an important point.
This is a draft where BC should look at how things transpire in the first 10 picks, then perhaps move down if he thinks he can still get some of his top options, hopefully grabbing more than one pick at once.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on May 28, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
New Meditation Mantra
I have created a 2nd round Meditation Mantra for the 2nd Round of the Draft.
It goes like this:
Artsiom – Varnado – Harangody….
Artsiom – Varnado – Harangody….
Artsiom – Varnado – Harangody....
Thanks to Member 29 for their help – may we be lucky enough to land pick#29 in the draft…
MariskaHargitay!
re Bradley
Have the Raptors not had enough bad experience with small combo guards, not good enough or talented to play the point, and too small to play at SG ???
Draft the best BIG available at center, power forward, or small forward, as that is where the manpower shortfall will be, with only Andrea, Hedo, and Evans available now.
He's not that small
According to the combine measurements, he’s 6’3 and 1/4" with shoes but has a 6’7 and 1/4" wingspan. That’s comparable to Evan Turner and Gordon Hayward who are several inches taller. And he can jump out of the gym. If you want to cite history, remember the last time we drafted the “best BIG available” and passed up on Iguadola.
He measured really well and tested well athletically too so the upside is certainly there.
Although we all remember that Joey Graham the draft’s best athlete at one point…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on May 28, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
True but Babcock played it safe after getting burned the year before. If he had gambled a little on an injury risk named Granger, would we be even talking about the situation we are currently in?
How is drafting a poorer skilled player playing it safe?
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
next raptors pick avery bradley!!
I should be his agent lol but for real a lot of good points yall making here I just think his upside is to interesting to pass up if we trade down and get him later I’m all for it. But if not he’s a player I think we should really consider taking.
by sherwin316 on May 28, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He sounds like he’d be a great bench player, at least for now, and provide some much needed D. If he doesn’t go early, maybe trade Jose for (?something useful?) and a lower pick and use that to get Avery. Then start Jack and Avery’s our backup PG.
I’m not expecting a star at 13 either so yes, if you can move Jose and use Avery as a back-up, even for defensive purposes, it could be a lot worse.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on May 28, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradley? Avery? these names are jinxed
I think the Raptors have already taken 1 Bradley too many.
William Avery (ex-Dukie) was also a pretty big draft bust — and he was taken 14th overall.
Shawn Bradley was the #2 pick back in the day… also could be considered a bit of a bust, but at least he played 10-11 seasons.
Incidentally, I was having a tough time writing this post and NOT writing William Avery…both as a Duke fan and a draft historian who remembers Avery being a bust of a combo guard…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on May 28, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
William Avery
that guy was my fav college PG at the time, i couldn’t believe he didn’t make the grade in the NBA.
Sean Avery (NY Rangers) is a clown too
definitely a cursed name.
Even Steve Avery from the Atlanta Braves was jinxed — he was solid for a couple of years, and then declined pretty quickly.
Avery Johnson might actually be the most successful — and he bounced around the league for several years before being a starter with the Spurs.
Bradley had the reigns himself
“Bradley had the reigns himself "
What the hell does that mean? Is English not your first language?
Give me manners over perfect English, any day.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
No doubt
A little good natured ribbing is one thing, but that just came across as d-baggish.
Avery Bradley is one of those players that sets off far too many warning bells for my comfort. People focus on his defense, which is nice, but the Raptors HAVE a PG who can play stellar defense.
A scouting report from 2003: “…a quick, strong, athletic guard who has a good handle and the ability to be a lock down defender. But he also tends to gamble too much, over-dribble, and seems to have trouble reading defenses and offenses at times.”
That, of course, described Marcus Banks. Does Bradley Avery sound any different?
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
im ok with avery because we need a defensive stopper and i think if hes around by the time we draft we need him cheap defense doesn’t come around easily
by raptors_run_the_show on May 29, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions
then should we have drafted Jrue Holliday?
also just heard that Hedo offcially wants OUT of Toronto…
Am I dreaming?
It’s not a question of whether the Raptors should have drafted Holiday, but whether DeRozan is going to end up being a better player, and I think he is.
And if we’re pinning our hopes on the 13th pick in this draft, we’re in far more trouble than I thought.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
the 13 pick isnt our saviour im just saying it will help us become better defensivly which should be our goal this off season or atleast one of them
by raptors_run_the_show on May 30, 2010 7:15 AM EDT reply actions
If the Raptors want to get better defensively at PG, then why not trade one of the current PGs and have Marcus Banks come off the bench? Then they can draft a player who has actually shown the skills to be able to play the position he is going to in the NBA.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence













