Sunday Thought - Bosh and His Five Teams...

it would be lovely if we got jokim noah but bulls wont give him up. maybe if bosh did not want to go to 1 team and just left it like this with 5 options we could have a bidding war and the bulls would be forced to give up noah but thats the only way we can get back something significant. i dont think colangelo should take back deng unless the bulls take back hedo because i dont want to have another bad contract on this team

NY still has to fill up their roster even if they get a max player and what a circus of a organization they are.they have no players that I can see the raps wanting..same with the heat..beasley? Ummm no thanks. I guess the bulls are the best option. Toronto is still in the running to so there’s still a chance he comes back.

Just a question for everybody here …who would u guys want on your team (minus the bad contracts ). Deng or iggy?

Hahah ya I take iggy in a heartbeat and I think if we do somehow get him the chances of bosh staying would have to increase .I think its possible if philly drafts turner that should make him avaible .

I know the tendancy is to compare the situation to previous sign and trades but why not look at how the Boston Celtics were built when considering a Toronto/Chicago sign and trade. Landing Ray Allen from Seattle made Boston more attractive to Kevin Garnett and all sides got something they were at least initially happy with.

If the sense out there is that Bosh landing in Chicago is the key to enticing LeBron to join the Bulls then the perception of what’s possible changes. If the choice is Bosh and LeBron vs. not giving up Noah in a Bosh sign and trade then what do you think the Bulls would do?

Additionally wouldn’t it require 2 sign and trades to land both LBJ and CB4? Cleveland wouldn’t be asking for Noah (duplication of Varejao’s contribution) but Deng as a Lebron replacement might be suitable to them.

I think we’re falling into the same trap as last year going into the off season in thinking too narrowly about the possibilities. Even with the existence of a set list doesn’t mean Colangelo is restricted from reaching out to non-listed teams to make for a more attractive scenario for the Raptors. Bosh doesn’t have to go to Golden State or Dallas but they could play a part in ultimately getting Bosh to one of his desired locations.
 
We also might be ignoring the Chicago situation. Remember Chicago doesn’t have a coach, and their president (Paxson) is a bit of a tool in a precarious situation. Failures in the past to land Garnett and Kobe when the possibility was there because they chose not to give up their promising young pieces might serve to encourage them to give up Noah if that’s what it takes.

I just find it weird that lebron and bosh are linked together so much with no talk at all of any of theses guys playing with wade.if it is true that bosh will be going where lebron is going he will no doubt be playing second fiddle and for the longest time bosh wanted a team build around him and he wanting to be the number 1 guy..that wont happen if he goes with lebron

a very good point to be made is if chicago gets lebron that would most likley be in a S&T so what will chicago have left to give us lol? nothing

bosh’s points are contradicting . first he says he wants to be the main man then he says he wants to win. most of the time winning means being second fiddle so in most cases you can not have both also if bosh goes to Chicago w/o lebron then i still derrick rose is there main player in all cases bosh is going to be the second fiddle except if he stays in Toronto

Because we are likely dealing with teams well under the cap, I would think this opens up our options. For example, lets say we sign and trade with Chicago. Since they can sign free agents, why couldn’t they sign Boozer and include him in the package for Bosh. I’m not saying we should be targeting Boozer, merely using him as an example. Or is there a waiting period before you can trade a free agent coming from another team?
My other question relates to matching salaries. Why do we have to take back salaries to match Bosh. Once again, using Chicago as an example, we could take back just Gibson and Johnson. Because Chicago has the cap space, they can take on the additional salary and we can use the trade exemption to acquire another player in a seperate trade. Am I missing something?

ill say this the way the playoffs are going with so many teams being blown out (hawks,magic,cavs) there’s going to be A LOT of players on the trading block and teams looking for changes. This will be hands down the most interesting summer in NBA history

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2wq8hc7\
we should offer the wizards this because
1.we are doing them a big favour by taking back arenas

2.we should get some of there young talent because of number 1

3. they get a back up pg

……………….then why aren’t the Cavs on Bosh’s wish list? You would think that if he thought LBJ was staying in Cleveland he would have included them on there. Personally, I think too much is being made out of this “Bosh going where Lebron goes” story; it only makes sense if you ignore the fact that the Cavs aren’t on Bosh’s list and that the Lakers ARE; and I don’t think Lebron is going to the Lakers.

I don’t think Chris takes LESS money to play with Lebron, and I think that’s what has to happen for them to be in the same uniform next year. If Lebron wants to go to (fill in the balnk) they’ll have to work out a sign-and-trade with CLE because Lebron wants/and will be paid as one of the best players in the game should; so that leaves the team that does the S & T to get Lebron without the necessary assets to get Bosh in a S & T w/ Toronto, thereby leaving Bosh with the choice to play with Lebron only if he takes less money. AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!

Bosh is going to want to get paid max money, especially if he is going to be playing Robin to somebody else’s Batman. If BC goes out and unloads the Turk contract for anything of value (read: Iguodala or even Arenas) then I think Toronto is Bosh’s best bet to get what he wants——-to be paid max money, be the man, and have a shot at a title (well maybe that last one not so much).

Rob

I would go with Chicago as well. They already have Noah, and Rose, both still on their rookie deals to boot. Franchise mentions that James Johnson made the Raptors shortlist last year, along with…Flynn, and Jrue Holiday? I recall thinking at the time that could play the big three / small four role off the bench. I didn’t follow his game this season, but if he looks to have retained his appeal, then he would be the key piece in the package going the other way. Taj Gibson would be an example of the PF that becomes redundant if Bosh were to arrive. He’s undersized for a PF, but this Bosh transaction is going to be more about collecting as many assets as possible. We can always sort things out later on, especially with players still on rookie deals. Only concern would be having Amir Johnson and Gibson on the same roster.

Heinrich, on a rare descalating deal for two more seasons, may be of some use. Would only take him if we’d prearranged a landing spot for Calderon somewhere else. Could also be a source of experience on what will be a very young Raptors team.

Don’t know whether we would even want to bother trying to add Calderon to a Bosh transaction. He would function best in a platoon type situation, this is the judgement one would make looking at his career to date. Also wouldn’t want to dilute the assets coming back just to get him off the books. I’m sure there are a few teams out there (like Charlotte) that have enough team defense to mask his deficiencies.

Miami is likely to retain Wade, and it becomes guaranteed if Bosh is on his way there. I would insist on having our first round pick coming back the other way as part of the package. I doubt Udonis Haslem would want to come to a team that isn’t in playoff contention. I would hope for some sort of intermediary team, that translates Beasley into other assets coming Toronto’s way. Otherwise, our first round pick, and their first round pick, would be the starting point of negotations, IF there are multiple suitors. Would also look into having Mario Chalmers added to the package, as a cheap backup pg that plays defense first. The Heat would be a distant second in trade negotations, and I woudn’t be willing to take any junk contracts from them in exchange.

I don’t see the Lakers willing to partner Bosh and Gasol in a front court. Plus something tells me the Lakers have learned from when they added Malone and Payton to the team, and had it implode. They don’t NEED Bosh to be the first, or even second option.

Nets

They have some young assets which may be of some use. However, they fall into the same situation of not being able to handle sign and trades for both Bosh and Lebron.

One more point. Once again I find myself scratching my head about how the lottery worked out this year. I mean is it me or is it a massive coincidence that the Bullets, I mean Wizards, won the lottery and John Wall who just happens to play the same position as a player who was disgraced this past season? I think this closed door lottery is a sham and until they simply print the team logos on the balls and do the lottery live on cameras like the actual lottery, I will continue to think it is rigged.

It is a coincidence that the wiz won..and with that their gonna draft the player that plays gilberts position .this was going back to what I said earlier with so many teams playing bad players will be avaible..I mean Washington is willing to buy out arenas remaining contract for god sakes.

arenas would be a big home rune ball. i can see colangelo gambiling on arenas because if he can get his act together he can be a lethal player. on the other side if he fails we will definetly have the worse contract in sports history on our hand

……………he should win executive of the year again. Conversely, whoever takes Turkoglu should be fired.

This idea that BC could somehow package Turk with Bosh is a pipe dream; as in what are you smoking, to think that another NBA GM would commit to this guy for 4 more years after the display he put on, in Toronto (on the court and off).

The fact that most of us, as fans, would jump at the oportunity to move Hedo for a player coming off multiple lost seasons to knee surgery, who just got out of a halfway house for pulling out a gun in his locker room and who is owed nearly $100 million over the next 5 years tells you all you need to know about our chances of dealing Turk.

Rob