Hassan Whiteside - RaptorsHQ Draft Prospect Preview #3
After looking at two prospects Franchise wouldn't mind to see in a Raptors' uniform next season, he turns to one he definitely hopes Bryan Colangelo and co. avoid...
"...he's quickly emerging as the top true center prospect in the draft. His upside is immense, with a potent combination of length, strength, and athleticism. He's very tough to stop once he gets the ball close to the basket, as he is very strong finisher. Using that potent combination of strength, size, and athleticism, he can power up and dunk where most post players would have to rely on a finesse move. There are 7-footers stronger and quicker than him, but very few that are both. He still has much work to do, both in the weight room and on the court, but the rate at which he has improved over the past two seasons is very encouraging. The light bulb is very clearly going on, and that is more than you can say about plenty of big men who never truly get it. He will need to continue to polish his offensive game, work on his conditioning and give more consistent effort, but all the pieces are there for him to develop into a very effective NBA big man within the next two years." - Draft Express.com
Can anyone guess which NBA prospect the previous blurb was written about?
Amar'e Stoudemire?
How about the Raptors' own Patrick O'Bryant.
Yes, back in 2006, Patrick O'Bryant emerged from nowhere to take the NBA Draft by storm, and ended up being the 9th pick in the draft. His combination of length, athleticism, and dominant final college season had scouts buzzing and he became one of the ultimate upside picks.
We all know how the story turned out however.
He didn't make an impact with Golden State, the team that drafted him, and was nearly out of the league within 3 years had it not been for the Toronto Raptors move at the 2009 trade deadline, bringing him in for a look via the Boston Celtics.
Likely however, this was P.O.B.'s last chance and after a full season of pine-riding in TO, it looks like he'll have to peddle his wears in the D League or overseas.
So what happened? Was this simply a case of GM's not doing their homework? Did O'Bryant simply not put in the necessary work to round out his game? Or was O'Bryant never really that great of a prospect, buoyed by playing against inferior competition in a mid-major at Bradley?
I'd say there was a combination of all factors involved, but most importantly, O'Bryant just didn't have the skillset to make it at the next level. This became quite evident as I sat in a hot gym during the Vegas Summer League last year, watching P.O.B. getting dominated by players without his size, length, or "upside." His lack of a developped post-game was scary, and to the chagrin of the Raptors' coaching staff in attendance, O'Bryant continuously settled for long-range jumpers instead of using his height advantage down low.
"He thinks he's freakin' Rasheed Wallace!" muttered one of the Raps' assistants at one point.
So why the P.O.B. discussion in the midst of a Hassan Whiteside draft prospect preview? Because like O'Bryant, Whiteside to me has "buyer beware" written all over him as we approach this year's draft. Let's take a closer look starting with the good...
There's no question Whiteside has upside. In fact, he's a 7-footer with a 7 foot, 7 inches wingspan, and a solid 240 pound frame. Last year with Marshall he averaged 13 points and 9 rebounds a game, hardly lottery pick numbers, however he also blocked 5.4 shots a match! It's this stat that really stands out and if you've seen him play, it's his defensive capabilities that are extremely intriguing. Remember, while offense comes and goes at the next level, time and time again we've seen things like rebounding and shot-blocking translate very well. Therefore suddenly around the middle of last college season, Whiteside's name was popping up on mock draft boards across the net, and many saw him in the same mould as a young Tyson Chandler or Marcus Camby; players who while rail thin, could immediatley impact games thanks to their defense and athleticism. He led the nation in blocked shots and was Conference USA's top freshman and defensive player of the year.
The problem is, no one really knows if the NBA team that drafts him will ever see these abilities on full display. Whiteside was pulled from games last season for lack of effort, and even in the recent pre-draft interviews in Chicago, many draftniks noted his rather immature demeanor, not to mention some strange answers to questions from the media. On the court there are many red flags as well, from his low basketball IQ (he was one of the worst passers statistically in all of the NCAA last year), to his lack of strength on the block, something that will be a major concern at the next level.
In summary there's no question some team will take a flyer on Whiteside. His weak-side defense, shot-blocking, athleticism, and ability to defend the pick-and-roll, an NBA staple, are too enticing to pass up, but I'm hoping the Raptors look the other way. There are very few cases of NBA draft prospects who emerge from nowhere mid-season, especially from smaller conferences, and go on to be dominant forces in the league, not to mention the Dinos have motivational issues with their current players so adding another big question mark in this department? No thanks. This pick to me screams "Patrick O'Bryant Part II" and I simply think there are much better options out there.
That being said, should Whiteside fall into the second round, he's definitely worth trying to get a pick and take a flyer on. Perhaps dropping out of lottery range and the first round entirely will be the humbling and driving experience he needs and in the right situation, he could be a steal.
However right now, with his projected range being late lottery to about the 22nd pick in the first round, I'm staying away if I'm BC.
And I don't need to look at Patrick O'Bryant's final college season stats of 13 points, 8 rebounds and 3 blocks (eerily similar numbers to Whiteside) to convince me.
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Agreed
I want no part of this kid at #13. If you want a big-man project, Solomon Alabi is an athletic 7"1’ and he should be available in the late first round (trade down or pick up another pick). I’ll take a less talented big man with a motor over a more talented one without any day. With that said, I would pick neither at 13. To me, if Patterson or Udoh is there, you take them. If neither are there, Henry or Bradley wouldn’t be bad.
Further to this...
Hollinger just posted his analytical review of the top prospects and yep, Whiteside came our near the bottom…
So did Patterson and Udoh incidentally while Henry was very solid.
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by Adam Francis on May 21, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
In terms of Hollinger’s breakdown, Avery was in the bottom 10 as well.
That being said, one-and-done players are very hard to get a good assesment of using Hollinger’s system because of the lack of data. I find combo guards struggle particularly. In 2008, Westbrook, Mayo, Augstin and Eric Gordon all did poorly in Hollinger’s estimate (which he acknowledges) and all were both one-and-doners, and 1/2’s in terms of their position on the court.
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by Adam Francis on May 21, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Post
Had to laugh at the POB piece. Also agree on Whiteside. This franchise is on the edge of a cliff. Its not hopeless, but we cannot afford any more big mistakes or projects like Whiteside or Orton. We need help now particularly on defense and Udoh or Bradley can provide that day 1.
Glad you enjoyed the POB compare ha ha – just couldn’t help it.
Not sold on Udoh as I’ll explain next week (he’s our fourth prospect preview) but do like Bradley as an option. But yes, unless there’s a full rebuild in effect – no projects please.
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by Adam Francis on May 21, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Damion James?
the most underrated player in this draft by far. he would contribute right away and i know hes going to be a good player. book it!
please no udoh, davis, or whiteside. Buuuuuuuusssssssstssssssssssssss!
Interesting that you just commented on James as I now have him on my top 5 draft board. Saw him work out for the Raps last year and really starting to warm up to the idea of him being the choice at 13.
We’ll roll out our draft board next week but right now my top five look like this:
1. Xavier Henry
2. Paul George
3. Eric Bledsoe
4. Damion James
5. Daniel Orton
Not sold on any of the bigs in this draft besides Orton and the obvious guys like Cousins, Monroe and Favors…
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by Adam Francis on May 21, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins...
I noticed in a few mocks that he has come down a few pegs.
Yes, there are attitude issues but man, he’d be the PERFECT player beside Bargs. Great rebounder, especially on O, and a true low-post threat.
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by Adam Francis on May 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
James Gets My Vote
Tough – maybe toughest in the draft
Physical
Can reboud – over 10 rpg last year in 30mpg
Can defend
Great Motor
Top school in Texas
4 year senior – Ready to go out of the box. – No project here
He is basically a #3 with a developing long range game. However, because of his strength over 4,000 minutes at Texas and toughness I think he would eat Weems clock in less than 10 minutes. He might even eat Turk’s pizza. LOL
The Raptors definitely need toughness, defense and rebounding. This kid brings all of them.
I know alot of people are fans of Damion James on this site, but I gotta say that I don’t like his NBA prospects one bit. He’ll have to be a 3 in the NBA, and I am not convinced that he has the quickness, the ball handling ability or the jumpshot to play that position. I love his physicality though.
He reminds me alot of another former longhorn….PJ Tucker. PJ was a 4 in college but a 3 in the NBA, and while he hustled and was physical, he didn’t have the other skills to play the 3 in the NBA. I worry that James will fall victim to the same fate.
I know James has worked on his skills as a 3 since last summer, but I can’t say I’m convinced after seeing him a few times this year.
Think Prince Luc Richard at Milwuakee
DraftExpress compares him to Mbah a Moute.
The Raptors should be so lucky to draft someone like him with the 13th pick.
Defense, rebounding and toughness are what wins in the NBA and not fancy dribbling or three point shooting as the Celtics are showing.by punking down Puff The Magic Dragon.
BC
I fear that BC may take a gamble on a guy like Whiteside. It appears to me that BC’s draft philosophy is to go for the guys with the most upside, regardless of how good they are right now. I don’t disagree with that philosophy per se, but it comes with some significant risk. He’s never really gone for the “can step in right away” guys unless they were supremely talented.
I think it’s very likely that if BC doesn’t like the upside of anyone at 13, he trades out of the draft entirely.
Solid point
Hmmm…
Bargs, DeRozan, Amare, Shawn Marion…yep, SLIGHT trend there…
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by Adam Francis on May 21, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He also drafted Michael Finley at 21 in 1995, Nash at 15 in 1996, Barbosa 28th in 2003 with some busts slipped in there as well (Zarko Cabarkapa at 17 in 2003, Jake Tsakalidis at 25 in 2000). Finally his big second round success was getting Stephen Jackson at 43 in 1997.
While he’s had many successes, which is encouraging, he tends to swing for the fences when it comes to the draft.
Finley was probably the safest of all his picks – very proven college player at Wisconsin. This is an interesting topic though and think it bears having a blog post to discuss further.
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by Adam Francis on May 21, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Those highlights did nothing to convince me this guy is an NBA player
He just looked like a tall kid in a high school game
Yep ha ha…which is P.O.B. is it not?
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by Adam Francis on May 21, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Damion James
After watching him last season I thought he improved tremendously as a 3. His ball handling skills have improved a lot as well as his shot. I’m curious to see he does in the workouts next month.
No thanks to Whiteside, bust written all over him. Also not sold on X Henry, after watching many of his games last season i think he’s definately overrated. Paul George Can’t dribble at all but he sure can shoot so not a bad pick and I love Eric Bledsoe’s game; I’m probably in the minority here but I think he’s be a pretty good point guard if given the chance.
NCAA stat leaders
If you look at recent history, NCAA leaders in rebounding have some of the best success rates as far as underrated players achieving something in the NBA:
- Paul Milsap
- Dejuan Blair
- David West
- Kurt Thomas
- Jeff Foster
For 2009-2010, some top rebounders (that are entered in the draft):
- Aminu
- Damion James
- Cousins
- Aldrich
- Greg Monroe
For NCAA Blocks leaders, you get a lot of skinny
Bradley is the best pick for us or post defense is ok but our perimeter defense is sooooooooo baaaaaaaaad we should draft just because he can play d
by raptors_run_the_show on May 21, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
If that is the route they are going to take they should trade down because Avery is a bubble first rounder as most teams are not going to waste a mid range pick on a guy who is more of a defensive specialist. It would be a complete waste of the 13th pick. A lottery pick is suppose to be for a franchise changing talent and even though we know how little there usually is at the 13, I will remind all of you that Granger went 17th so there can be guys there if the circumstances are right.
kobe went 17th, jefferson went 13th. I disagree with you avery is a top 14 pick for sure his draft stock is rising tremendously because he such a good lock down defender. chad ford has us picking him at 13th but some drafts have going as high as 9. he most likley will be there when the raptors pick but he might not be.I also think we should try to get a 2nd rounder because this draft is loaded with good players
by raptors_run_the_show on May 22, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Avery
The guy has no offense and is only 6’1.5"
He also has never shown that he can pass for assists.
His assists to Field Goals Attempts ratio is the lowest of any of the 15 point/combo guards that were drafted last season and are expected to be drafted this season.
He is too weak only 7% body fat with no muscle to fight through screens at the NBA level or defend against the post up.
Raptors should avoid him like the plague.



























