Raptors Rapid Recap: Boston 115 - Toronto 104
- On a night when the Raptors learned they will be without all-star forward Chris Bosh for at least the remainder of the regular season, Toronto predictably went down in defeat to the Boston Celtics 115-104. The Raptors have now lost three straight as they struggle to hold on to the 8th seed in the Eastern Conference minus their franchise player.
- Reggie Evans took Bosh’s place in the starting lineup. Well, Evans ran out with the starters at least. Shooting 1-6 from the field in just over 16 minutes isn’t going to make anyone forget about CB4.
- Of course, with Bosh out, Andrea Bargnani and Hedo Turkoglu stepped up… right? Umm, not so much. Bargnani put up an absolutely embarrassing shooting and rebounding performance for a seven-foot centre. And Turkoglu was done after just over seven minutes of action with a nasal injury (but you can probably run into him in Yorkville later this evening, if you’re so inclined).
- Sonny Weems continued to shine in a starting role, dropping 17 points in a first half that saw Toronto take a 54-52 lead into the locker room. Weems finished with a career-high 21 points.
- But this is the NBA: Where the third quarter happens. The Raptors had no answer for the veteran Celtics in the third frame and found themselves staring at a six-point deficit.
- From there, it was academic as the Celtics cruised to an easy win highlighted by a Ray Allen ball fake/layup that looked like something out of Rucker Park.
- Ultimately, the Celtics shot a high percentage (.563) and got to the free-throw line (28-33) while the Raptors are stuck paying three chumps (Bargnani, Turkoglu and Jose Calderon) more than US$26 million combined.
- Next up, the Raptors travel to Atlanta to take on the Hawks on Friday. That should work out well.
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Maybe I was watching a different game
No mention of a spirited effort by the Raps on a back to back. Even with a struggling Bargs, Hedo taken out, and the Refs forgetting that 2 teams were playing.
It’s pretty difficult to be defeat a team that has killed us (even with Bosh), but to do it undermanned, underskilled (ie. Reggie thinking he’s an offensive threat), and under-reffed, says something.
A ‘spirited effort’ would be fine if you were describing the way your 12-year-old kid played. I mean, they still lost by double digits and allowed Rondo to do whatever he wanted.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 7, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Spirited Effort
The Raps were down by 6 points, with 4 minutes remaining in the game.
That’s with no Bosh, no Hedo (well, maybe doesn’t count), Evans as a STARTER, a struggling Andrea, and Wright not playing in the 4th – which I imagine was his ankle catching up to him.
We bitch about lack of effort, but I thought tonight WAS a “spirited effort”.
I guess it’s pretty hard to please Toronto fans, considering they’re so used to winning championships.
by RapthoseLeafs on Apr 7, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it’s pretty hard to please Toronto fans, considering they’re so used to winning championships.
That made me laugh. Well played, sir.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 7, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Put it another way though
Good effort, but at this point of the season, we can’t call on moral victories. Moral victories are for those who no longer have the playoffs to look towards.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 7, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Play-offs
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I agree. Moral victories may be great things to say to your kids when they lose the big game, but in the Pro leagues it only lasts so long in smoothing over the loss.
Fact is, our play-off hopes (slim as they were), died in the first 3 minutes of the Cleveland game.
But doom aside, I’d still rather have the Raptors in the play-offs, as opposed to a draft pick. Might as well give Miami the pick now, as opposed to later. Call it being a Toronto fan, but a little taste of the 2nd season would be nice for a change.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Apr 7, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still holding out hope that someone — whether it’s Colangelo or another GM — can build a contender in Toronto that’s built on defence and rebounding (the type of things that translate into winning in the NBA). A team that puts together several seasons of 50+ wins.
Bosh has re-written the record books in Toronto. But he hasn’t come anywhere near the level of excitement captured in that 76ers-Raptors playoff series back in the VC years.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 7, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Injured:
Bosh
Turkoglu
Johnson
Jack (ankle)
Wright
Might need that injury exception soon lol
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 7, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
Perhaps we’ll get a look at Joey Dorsey on the floor with Patrick O’Bryant, Marcus Banks, DeMar DeRozan and Marco Belinelli? Or, as they’re also referred to, the starting lineup for your 2010-11 Eastern Conference All-Stars.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 7, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Banks, Belinelli, Weems, Johnson and Evans.
Not too too bad
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 7, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you want people to do?
The product has been uninspiring for the last two months, people had high expectations for this team. When a team is good more people pay attention.
by torontocoltsfan on Apr 7, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that’s why I hate Raptor fans. Unrealistic expectations.
They’re the same fans who made Reggie Evans a legend before he played a minute in a Raptors jersey.
Toronto basketball knowledge is just so piss poor its disgusting. I put a lot of the blame on the continuing poor media coverage. Even though they’re in the playoff hunt, they’re still 3rd in the reporting after hockey and baseball. WTF?!
Ustation
Sadly you are completely right… Did you hear Dion Phaneuf took a crap with corn in it? Can’t wait to see sportscentre tonight to see a panel discuss what he may have ingested. I hope they have highlights of said crap, maybe even a press conference?
I understand that some of you want to focus on the positive but lets get real. This team is exactly as it was advertised before the season. A .500 club that has not meshed as well as some thought they would. The Raptors are still sitting in a playoff spot but I am not sure they can hang onto it so I guess people will just have to hope Chicago doesn’t want to make it.
As for the future, there are some bright spots. Weems is going to cost less than a million dollars to resign for next season and, well, I am not sure there is much else to look forward to. The goal in this offseason should be for BC to find a way to unload some of the unproductive members of this team. I won’t name names as we all know who we are talking about but if Bosh has played his last game as a Raptor then it is imperative that we rework the team now while before things get much worse.
Boy it would be nice to have Roy Hibbert to rebuild with. But I digress.
I wonder how much we could sign Sonny for long-term? With him being one of the few Raptors to exceed my expectations (along with Bosh), early on in the season I was half-jokingly telling my friends at a game that we should lock him up for 5 years. And he’s come a long way since then so his hypothetical price goes up. Pre-AS break, I was thinking that 10m/5yr would have been fair (and tempting to Sonny), potentially generous but with big upside for the Raps if he were to become an MLE type. Currently, if Ariza at the MLE is a yardstick, 3m annually would not be ridiculous. Though, we would obviously like to see him put up a few more good games in an expanded role.
For his general lack of refinement he has high effort, seemingly high basketball IQ, and very good athletic ability. His game does have a solid foundation to work with, is picking up more polish and it looks as though he may already be our go-to option offensively with Bosh down (and Turk in and out of the lineup). I like the idea of seeing what he could become. He’s already become a useful 10-20 minute role player. He’s beginning to get a taste of bigger minutes and it’s not inconceivable that he becomes a coveted player if he’s able to add more skills and long-range shooting ability.
Do Wins and Losses Really Matter at this stage
I’m not hung up on losing tonight and agree that Weems is the bright spot.
Decisions will have to be made this offseason and these last few games are a barometer of what we need in a post Bosh era.
BC has hinted that one of the PG’s will be moved. Based on recent play, I know who should be.
The thing that struck me the most in the game is how old Boston is looking. That team is going downhill fast and the Atlantic could be a real crap shoot next season.
Venting
Calderon was exposed all night long. Especially when the Raps decided to have him guarding KG which happened often enough when the defence had time to set which suggests it was by design.
I don’t remember one AB post up. In the first half, he just floated by the three point line passing the ball to the other side the second he got it. I could do that for a lot less money. That left Evans to post up.
Don’t we at some point have to question the coaching? How do you let several lapses, including the ones mentioned above just happen? I’d like to see SVG as our coach next year.
I’ve harped on this before, but why is it that this team has no fight in it? No pride? Every time Boston drives to the basket they get a call. Why then not foul hard? Why can’t this team never make contact in a meaningful way? I’m not talking about being dirty, just being tougher.
Since the calls were clearly one way, get in the refs face. Get a T. I’d like to see 3 or 4 or 5 players get a T. Make a point. We’re not going to take this BS. Every time you don’t call an obvious call we’re coming into your face and letting you know that we worked too hard to not get that call.
The Raptors will make the playoffs only because how bad Chicago is. Although I don’t need to see 4 replays of yesterday’s game, at least let’s get the pick to Miami behind us.
The NBA needs to figure out the referee situation. It was horrible tonight and more importantly, last night in the UTA-OKC game. It’s enough to turn fans away.
SVG is overrated. It’s not like he has won multiple championships or something and he has a tendency to wear out his welcome quickly.
Personally, I really don’t care who coaches this team at this stage, I just want to have some stability in the coaches position. The GM is another mater. BC has a much greater influence on the final record then the coach does so he needs to sort his **** out and figure out what the hell he is doing with this team and get it headed towards a championship level, not 6th seed mediocrity (as a ceiling).
That is ludicrous
He may not have a champion ship resume, but only one per year does, and it happens that one coach has like 10 of the last twenty. SVG, Skiles, are coaches that are the type of coach any team needs to buld a good to great team. Coaches that will frigging call out anyone on the team for slacking on defense or offense, and coaches that know that defense and rebounding (which is a part of defense) are the key to building a team. If Bosh had a great defensive team around him, Toronto would be a spoiler team right now. Just ask the Cavs team that went to the finals or the Sixers team, they both had one good scorer/play maker and a bunch of scrappy defenders.
But back to coaching, SVG had Hedo playing at a higher level on both ends, so you can’t deny that as you can visually see the difference. You can’t blame that all on Hedo, maybe Hedo is the same and the coach is what is different?
Why this team and all those critical reporters don't get it
I love Jose Calderon. There’s not a player that I believe plays with more passion and loves the game more than this guy. That being said I am also not going to be one to defend him to the ends of the earth.
Here’s his quote:
I feel really hurt today when I was out there and we missed a couple of shots and several fans booed us. I took it a little bit personal (because) I give a lot to this team and it was a tough situation. We’re trying to win, we’re trying to go to the playoffs and it was a tough one for me. When we say we have to stay together, we’ve got to stay together for real. Everyone wants to be in those playoffs. If we miss one shot and we don’t have the people with us, it’s tough to play like that. It was a tough one.
I don’t think it’s the air ball that has people booing, but rather the fact that the Raptors keep wanting to go for jump shots and make silly misses rather than attacking the rim with any sort of passion. Everyone on the Raptors should remember that. But the people of Toronto and Canada are not a people ruled by blind faith. We believe in our teams when they do something praise-worthy. Otherwise, we can also turn on players and such when we feel that they aren’t making the correct decision. The issue really becomes magnified when everyone can see the issue.
The reporters, the club, and the players may criticize the fans, but at the same time, the fans are not simply the type of people to sit on their hands while their team does more of the same outside shooting display. It’s just not acceptable.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 8, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions
We now have to resort to try and hide him on defense. Jose’s shot will come and go. I can live with that. His defense is a disaster. Teams have figured that out and attack him continuously. Jose can’t get through screens. If we switch, we are left with a mismatch which Boston exploited over and over.
The most maddening thing is I am extremely worried that he will “get it” when he gets to his 30’s just like the PG he most reminds me of when he is on, Steve Nash. Nash cannot play a lick of defense but he runs the offense so well and can be statistically responsible for like 36-40 points a night (points + assists) which allows you to live with his crusty d. Calderon is averaging something like 20-25 points a night (points + assists) and just gets killed by other teams PGs. Maybe it just takes some players years before they reach their potential but he doesn’t boast his scoring to balance out his assists he will always be nothing more than a solid backup.
I've said that for many years
It’s exactly the same. Calderon’s shot can be that deadly, his play making ability is great and his dribbling is just as good. He just doesn’t go inside enough on the offense. On defense, he may be just as liable, but he is younger.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 8, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Fans weren't saying "booooo"
They were saying “whooooo”, because no one recognized the starting lineup.
This is a J-shooting team.. always has been. Considering they hung in with an undermanned team I think it was undeserved.
Put it this way.. why would any player want to come play in this environment? I keep saying, Toronto is one of the weirdest sports market in North America along with montreal. We have this Hockey/Wrestling mentality as if sports was fake.
I think we’re coming close or surpassed Philly as in we’d boo Santa.
+1
I feel bad as I had Calderon pegged as one of the top PG’s in the league at the beginning of the season (thanks for the egg on my face, Jose, oh wait, that better be egg you lil…), but I still think he is capable of being a good PG, Steve Nash can’t guard anyone either, but he and his team has figured out how to not make him a liability. Unfortunately you can’t cover up 3 holes on defense out of 5 positions, so if the rest of the team improves, it should allow Calderon to flourish more, at least I hope to atone for my as of right now completely assinine statement as mentioned.
Triano
I still think this season went in the toilet because of Triano’s NBA inexperience. There was a point in the fourth quarter when Triano subbed out Rasho for Bargnani. This was right when the Raps were cutting the lead and Rasho was doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing. As soon as I saw Bargnani taking his warmups off I cringed, and soon the lead was back up to double digits. I’m not saying it was all Bargnani’s fault but why does he insist on messing with what’s working and keeping guys in that are hurting the team. He has no control over the team, and I think he breaks clipboards because no one is actually looking at it when he draws little doodles of pee pees and wee wees, which he has conditioned the team to associate with taking jumpshots until you get one in… then take more jumpshots. Sorry I know i digressed but I couldn’t think of anything else to comment about.

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