Tip-In: Toronto Raptors' Post-Game Report - So Close, Yet So Far Away
by Adam Francis on Apr 5, 2010 8:31 AM EDT
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Could a missed lay-up by Chris Bosh decide the post-season fate of the Toronto Raptors?
That's a question that may be on the mind of many a Raptor-fan this morning after a heart-breaking 113-112 loss to the Golden State Warriors last night.
For those of you who didn't get to see it, Sonny Weems stole an inbound pass with 3 seconds left, somehow found Bosh under the hoop, and yet CB4, a monster all night for TO, couldn't get it to drop. As a result, Toronto now finds itself only a game up on the Chicago Bulls for eighth in the East, with games looming against the Cavs, Celtics and Hawks...pretty much the cream of the Eastern Conference crop.
The Bulls on the other hand take on the now Bogut-less Bucks, the Cavs, and the Nets. Therefore it's quite possible that by this time next week, the Dinos are looking up at the Bulls in the standings.
Post-game, many people were asking how a supposed "Max Contract Player" misses that shot.
Easy.
No one expected Weems to get the steal, including Bosh, and the pass wasn't quite on the money to CB4. With so little time left, it's more of a reactionary situation ie; "just get the ball to the rim before time expires" than anything. Yes, Bosh actually had time to collect himself and perhaps throw one down, but hindsight is always 20/20, and there have been countless classic examples of players blowing easy looks to win games.
Just ask Patrick Ewing (see at 4 minute mark):
(As well, for those who say LeBron would have made this play, perhaps you missed his suspect shot selection with the game on the line yesterday in Boston.)
Lost in the dramatic finish and heart-breaking loss last night, was a tale Raptors' fans should be quite familiar with this season; a yeoman effort from their franchise player, and not much from anyone else.
Bosh finshed with 42 points, 12 rebounds, 5 steals, a block...oh, and hit 20 of his 23 foul shots.
The rest of the team?
Outside of a brilliant fourth quarter by Jarrett Jack, who had 16 of his 19 points in that final frame, the rest of the team struggled shooting the ball to say the least.
Hedo Turkoglu, Sonny Weems, Antoine Wright, Jose Calderon and DeMar DeRozan were a combined 8 of 31 from the field and against a Golden State team that has a bevy of sharp-shooters, that's just not going to cut it. Even Andrea Bargnani, who finished with a solid 18 points, 9 rebounds, a block and two assists shot poorly going 7 for 23 on the evening.
Really, this game would have been over in the third had it not been for Bosh. He was completely unstoppable and probably could have put up over 50 points...
...if his team had kept feeding him the ball.
While the loss was heartbreaking in terms of the game's final outcome, it was also unbelievably frustrating for me to watch because of the Raptors' lack of preparation. This is a team that had drilled Toronto from long-range last time they met, and had coaxed the Dinos into playing their style of game - that is, shooting quick jump shots.
It was no different yesterday as instead of playing through Bosh on every possession, especially after it became quite evident that Golden State had no answer for him, the Raptors far too often settled for quick J's early in the clock, sometimes when there wasn't a rebounder in sight.
As well, the Warriors bombed away from downtown, hitting 13 of their 26 attempts.
Folks that's 39 points right there! How did Triano not have a better scheme for this considering that's all Golden State does?? We're talking about a Warriors team that came into last night's match having won only five road games all year for heaven's sakes!
And this brings me back to Bosh.
When Triano gave him a break early in the fourth quarter, things quickly fell apart for Toronto. No one could score, and soon the Warriors had turned a small margin of possible victory into a 13 point lead.
The execution was abysmal, and yet again I found myself watching what could easily be next year's version of the Toronto Raptors...
That's why in my books, things need to unfold as follows over the final six games.
1) Toronto wins four of six and grabs the seventh playoff seed
or
2) Toronto loses the majority of their remaining games and misses the playoffs completely.
I'm sorry but I'm now looking at the long-term health of this franchise and 8th place, aka a four-game waxing at the hands of the Cavs, doesn't cut it.
Should Bosh walk, a distinct possibility at this point, the Raptors are stuck with precious little cap space to sign anyone of value, and this team still needs a lot more talent. The NBA Draft is no sure thing no, especially where the Raps will likely be picking, but I'd argue there's statistically a far greater chance of getting something of value in the draft then there is of getting past Cleveland in the first round.
A pick could at least be packaged as enticement to get rid of a bad contract, something Toronto is going to have to do in the very near future. You just can't have $30M a season for the next three years, tied up in Jose Calderon, Hedo Turkoglu and Andrea Bargnani...
...especially as we saw again last night, if there's no Chris Bosh to help out these three.
(As an aside, I'm wondering if that's why BC grabbed Dorsey. He's essentially a much cheaper, albeit much less experienced, version of Reggie Evans, whose $5M expiring contract might look quite nice to teams next year.)
Look at it this way. The team's only won 38 games so far this year despite all the off-season changes by Colangelo! Are you telling me this team is not mired in the lottery for the next three years if Bosh leaves? They're possibly still a lottery team in the East WITH him!
That's why I gave this recap the title "so close, yet so far away."
On one hand, that's an apt description of last night's loss. On another, it describes my sentiments towards this basketball club in its current state.
With a little more help, Bosh and the Raptors have the pieces to be a very solid basketball team.
However right now, that help is absent and as a result, fans are left with a club that loses games like this, and who appears to be light years away from contending as a top team in the NBA.
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42... all for nothing
Great article… The Ewing comparison is priceless. I didn’t watch the entire game last night, but I did see that sorry attempt at a layup. I hate to see players that are 6-10 or above lay the ball up on a 10 foot net. For God’s sake, you only have to stretch to grab the damn rim. Dunk the fringin’ basketball… No excuses!
This was a game for the Raptors to win. They had a decided height advantage, but did not capitalize. I figure that it is a coaching and player issue. From a coaching standpoint, you should have have a tall lineup out there at all times (even utilize Rasho). Golden State likes to run, so get into half court sets to slow down the game. Jay Triano has a bad tendency to let other coaches dictate who he puts on the floor. Lastly, you cannot play zone d against teams that shoots well… This is not college stupid!
As for the players, Calderon is playing horrible. I’m not sure why he is back with the starting five. I think that his game is going through a 2-year setback. He is the biggest liability on defence. No knock on Bosh’s performance, but he needs to be more decisive with the ball. When he gets the ball in the post he waits and waits for a double team. I actually think Andrea needs more touches in the post because he is more controlled and gets deeper position.
It’s funny because I think if Toronto had won this game, we’d see the pre-All-Star Bosh return. As you mentioned, he was taking way too long to make decisions with the ball recently but in the second half last night, I thought he was brilliantly decisive.
Unfortunately now, after another let-down from his teammates, who knows which Bosh we’ll see.
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by Adam Francis on Apr 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought this game was a whole load of fun to watch.
Yes we lost, but I’d take losing like that anyday compared to some of the turkey shoots I’ve witnessed this season…
Yep, great entertainment value for sure but this is yet another one that shouldn’t have gotten away.
These are the games we’ll end up looking back on in May thinking “that cost the Dinos valuable playoff seeding.”
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by Adam Francis on Apr 5, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Calderon is starting because they were hoping they could jump start him as he was a little inconsistent off the bench (at least that is my take).
I feel bad for Bosh and hope he finds a good team next year as this one is not it. You can criticize him all you want for missing that shot but it is not an easy shot when you under time pressure. I bet most of you couldn’t hit that shot 100% of the time if someone put a gun to your head. Expecting Bosh to hit it and saying he is over rated (garbage, not max player etc) is ridiculous. There are a lot of reasons why Bosh isn’t a max player and missing that shot isn’t one of them.
I really am praying we miss the playoffs and have been for about 2-3 weeks now as it has become obvious that Bosh is about 80% to leave baring the Raptors winning the lottery (or at least coming away with a top 3 pick). Seeing as that is unlikely it would behoove the Raptors to set fire to the thing and start from scratch. Unfortunately that also probably will not happen.
Even though I agree Triano has been out-coached this year I think it is a waste of time to bring another coach in. How many coaches are we going to go through before we realise that it takes time for a coach to grow into the job? Maybe Triano is a bad coach but who knows. We need to give him a few years to see if he gets better or not. It is not his fault that he got the job when he did. You can blame BC for that.
You mean Bosh?
Maybe a piece of it but on the replay it looks like most of the shot got to the basket ok.
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by Adam Francis on Apr 5, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hedo Turkoglu, Sonny Weems, Antoine Wright, Jose Calderon and DeMar DeRozan were a combined 8 of 31
I have to admit that was excellent time management at the end by the Raps. I am not sure why Don Nelson decide to foul with the Raps down by 3 but it made for a very entertaining finish. I think the pass caught Bosh off guard and he tried his best to get the shot up quickly. For the fans that said he should have dunk it, take a look at the replay, he was a little too far from the basket with 2 seconds to go, the ball would have been still in his hands when time expired had he tried to dunk that ball. But we know about the toronto fans, no ball knowledge at all how could you even blame Bosh after he was the only player that brought any time of game on sunday. The rest of the team sucked big time, jacking up shots after shots. Bosh was the only player playing and they move away from Bosh instead of feeding him the ball. We don’t deserve Bosh in this City and if he leaves, the Raps will be the eastern version of the Clippers even NJ will be better than the Raptors come next year if Bosh leaves. We should all be begging Bosh to sign with the Raps next season, we should be showing Bosh nothing but love and let him know that the fans really apprecitate what he has done for this club. However with these hockey fans that the Raps have, that only like the Raptors if they win as soon as they lose a game they turn on them, I don’t see them doing that to the leafs that have not won a championship in 50years, they will get blown out 6-0 and get a standing ovations from the fans at the end of the game…….idiots.
I haven’t turned on them because they have been losing. I have been critical all year because I was never happy with the team BC put together in the first place. As I said in the summer I liked the signing of Turkoglu and Jack individually but the combination of the two made little sense. I guess I could lie to myself and say the Raptors are the greatest team on earth and it is really the coach who is to blame for them sucking but I like to live in the real world.
Well said raps4life...
completely agree, there is a real lack of basketball IQ in the “casual” raptors fans. It doesn’t seem to occur to anyone why so many teams are interested in Bosh. 42, 12 with 5 steals and a key block… oh but wait he missed an unexpected layup when he wasn’t sure how much time was left… he must suck. If we had a real franchise player he would have scored 44 points and we would have won against a bad team where we were down pretty much the whole second half. But alas we are stuck with Bosh for a few more games, the loss has nothing to do with the mentioned 8 of 31 statline that the rest of the starters (at some point) posted. Maybe if Bosh got into a fist fight with someone he would deserve our respect.
Bosh is a great player and you could even argue that he is a franchise player but he is simply not a max dollar guy. Yes he gives you 20 10 every night but his 5 steals from last night is a season high I believe. He rarely gives you stats in any other category. Bargnani averages more blocks then Bosh does and he is practically running a Curry line(fortunately he gives just enough assists to wash his turnovers) and he will never win a scoring title. If we use another player who is a max dollar player as a baseline for max dollar players (in this Garnett) you can see that Bosh doesn’t even come close to warranting max dollars. Franchise label, sure. Max dollars, not even close.
Who cares about labels…Bosh is their best player period. BC better do everything to keep him, cuz guess what… no other max / franchise players or what ever you want to call them are coming to T.O.
RUH ROH TORONTO HERE COME THE BULLS
Oh great ha ha...
No question that it’s going to be a fight to the finish now…
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by Adam Francis on Apr 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Quote Bosh
to quote Bosh over 2 or so weeks ago…it will come down to probably the last game of the season…so the players know it will be a dog fight for the 8th seed. I would rather see the Raps in the playoffs than getting the 14 pick in the draft this draft will be a weak one just like last year after the number one anybody can go next.
Except that the draft from last year ended up being deeper than anyone believed. After all, look at Toney Douglas(29), Taj Gibson(26), Casspi(23), Rodrigue Beaubois (25) Marcus Thorton (43) etc etc etc. There were a lot of very solid players taken in that draft after where Toronto would pick so I have no idea where you got the idea that it was a weak draft from.
P.S. – This is the second time in the last 4 years that the 1st overall pick didn’t play in his rookie season and both were considered can’t miss prospects.
draft
Before the draft no one knew what they were getting, but a lot of players prove a lot of people wrong, I do admit but going into the draft that was the concencus that it is not a very deep draft, say like the year LBJ and Bosh was drafted, the top 6 guys were really good.
cept for Darko.
The point is if Bosh is going to move on then shouldn’t we want to keep our pick this year? No one is saying you can replace Bosh but maybe we can reduce the hurt a little by getting someone who can say, I don’t know, play defense and grab boards seeing as neither Turk or Bargnani seem interested in doing it on a nightly basis.
Question
Sorry but I don’t understand the cap situation. Why is it that if Bosh leaves, we would not have money to replace him with a decent player?
Because next year, even without Bosh, Toronto’s total salary count will come in around $50M, and that’s without deals for Amir, Wright, Rasho, maybe Weems (team option) and O’Bryant. The salary cap this year came in around $58M and it might go even lower next year, so that leaves precious little wiggle room to sign anyone even decent. and still fill out a bench.
The reason the Raps can keep Bosh at a max deal, is because under NBA rules, teams are allowed to go over the cap and to re-sign their own free-agents like Bosh to max deals. That may mean however that Toronto has to go into luxury tax territory…we’ll see.
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by Adam Francis on Apr 5, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe O"Bryant’s numbers come off the books at the end of this season and Weems’ numbers are included in the 46 mill as team options usually are.
Yeah – I was doing some back of the envelope math using Hoopshype.com’s salary info. We’ll do a full detailed analysis of the financial situation at some point.
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by Adam Francis on Apr 5, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The simple explanation is that assuming that the projections are correct the cap would be around 50 million. The Raptors with Bosh leaving would have a total salary structure (assuming they renounced all of their FA’s) about 46 million committed to next season. That leaves about 4 million to sign a FA. Remember, NBA rules only allow you to sign a FA (that isn’t your own) up to the cap level. So the Raptors would have to find someone to sign a 4 million dollar contract or somehow convince the team the FA is leaving to do a sign and trade. The Raptors can sign their own FA’s to any amount they want so long as, and correct me if they changed the rule someone, they have $1 under the cap to sign that player.
Even better explanation – didn’t know for sure if the cap was expected to drop that much next year.
If so, even more trouble for Toronto.
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by Adam Francis on Apr 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Cap
and that my friend Franchise is the reason why we should try and get the fans to rally behind Bosh and try and convince him to stay in Toronto. If he leaves it will be a mess in this town for a long time with the cap at 50 to 55 million. I wish these fans would just realize how valuable Bosh is to the club, and who cares about max dollars if that’s what it takes pay him. I have never seen a PF win the scoring title, not even KG so McGateway Bosh has to resign there is no 2 ways about it. Don’t let him join the King in New York. The Russian have a lot of money, so don’t think that they are going to the Knicks, its the Nets that they are going to…and the Nets is 2 players away from a very good team. LBJ and CB4 remember JayZ and LBJ are brethrens……..remember you hear it here first…lol
I am just not sure how true it is that keeping Bosh will make a HUGE difference in the grand scheme of things. Yes, it will mean the difference between the Raptors being competitive or sucking ass but seeing as they will be in luxury tax territory and at best a yearly 6 seed, it doesn’t ,make much sense to just resign Bosh unless the Raptors can unload either Turkoglu or Calderon and get some help with multiple players back.
Bosh
If this loss happens to be the reason the Raptors miss the playoffs, dont you think it could possibly serve as a reason for him to come back? Who would want to leave on those terms, where he couldve sent us to the playoffs on a layup but missed. Maybe I’m reaching a little bit, but I think it’s a fair thought. I understand that he did everything he could in this game except hit that bucket. But the optimist in me just wants everything to work out.
Why, because gaining the right to lose to Cleveland in 4 games is so much better than just missing the playoffs altogether? Another first round domination is not going to convince Bosh that this team is a winner.
As likely as that may be, you just never know. Remember the Hawks team that took the Celtics to 7 games? And you know a player definitely doesn’t think of it that way. We know Bosh isn’t gonna be thinking “oh whatever, Cleveland would’ve swept us anyway”. Remember that we’ve played Cleveland tough in all 3 games.
That was the Hawks a young athletic team against an old worn down team. And playing someone tough during the regular season won’t mean jack in the playoffs. Toronto does not match up well with Cleveland as there is no one to stop Lebron while Cleveland has 4 players they can throw at Bosh. Sorry, I just do not see that series going the distance and even if it did, if we don’t win the series the end result will be the same.
mcgateway
Bosh played 41 min the day before against Philly and was in his 42min I think when that played occured, I just watch the shot and it was partially block, he was fouled by Tarriff and no call. So please don’t let Bosh read that you guys are blaming him for the lost. The rest of the team played like they usually do on a back to back…AWEFUL
an old worn down team that won the title.
but point taken
by torontocoltsfan on Apr 5, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i doesnt matter if he scores 100 points if he cant hit an easy lay up to win us the game this game was a bust for bosh
by raptors_run_the_show on Apr 5, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
LBJ
Lebron came down and jack up a 3 against the celtics yesterday and lose the game. i tried finding 1 Cavs fans on their site that said it was LBJ why they lost and guess what I couldn’t find one, yet all of Toronto is blaming Bosh for not making a shot that was blocked, that he was fouled with no call. Where ever Bosh goes I will be a fan of his, just like I am a Fan of Vince Carter. See Vince will win a Championship this year, so you dumb Toronto fans can keep booing him…
Only in the NBA
Vs the Warriors the 5 you quote Turk, DeMar, Sonny, Wright, Jose shot 8/31 25% combined for the game. The same 5 shot 25/41 61% vs Philly in the OT win on Saturday.
Hopefully only a one game occurance as team was 56.3% Sat then 39.1% Sun.
Why Calderon startting? Vs Philly he was 6/10 with 10 asts in 33 mins and the tying 3pt shot to take the Raptors to OT and asts on the game winning shot in OT. Since he started again the team was 6-4 before last night after going 1-9 the previous 10, and looking like a great coaching move.
And then last night 1/5, 4rbs, 3ast, 2to’s in 19 minutes, in his worst game in 2 wks.
Bosh’s effort vs the Warriors was simply outstanding, as well as the coaching strategy by Triano, with the timeouts, and the only reason their was even a chance for a last 2nd win. The steal by Weems was entirely unexpected, and Bosh did well to pick up the ball and make a lay-up which unfortunately rimmed out.
Still a 1 game plus a tiebreaker lead and a game vs the Bulls to go, with 6 left, so lots of time and chances, but need to win some more games.
Last Stand
This week is do or die week !! Cavs, Celtics, ATL. this is the toughest week for this team. I’m not confident this team will make the playoffs. and if they do, they don’t even deserve to be there. This team doesn’t fight every night to win games. doesn’t look great in the near future with or without Bosh. If we go playoffs he only stays if this team makes a Key move or 2 before July 1st. Because we ain’t beating the Cavs ! He will leave if we don’t make the playoffs and that is closest to the facts then anything else. Most assuredly this week in Raptorland is really the “Last Stand” on a alot of levels…..
by raptor fan 4 life on Apr 5, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
ok i admit that bosh had a good game ok scratch that he had an amazing game but that doesn’t matter if u can’t hit the shot when your team needs it the most like sonny weems did all the hard work and bosh missed the easiest lay up ever. like i think we need to question bosh he can get all the stats in the world but if he cant hit an easy lay up to win the game like he does not have the mental toughness to be a max contract player and frankly i’m tired of bosh all the good teams in the nba there best player is either pg.sg,sf we need our best player to be at one of those positions to win us the game. i think if bosh stays w/e but we need to rebuild we need to try to get a good player at the draft i agree with franchise we need a good draft pick and im willing to trade bosh even if he wants to stay for the first round draft pick and draft one of the two studs available in the draft to be our franchise player
by raptors_run_the_show on Apr 5, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
on the play weems hustled and displayed amazing athletic ability to get the ball to bosh and another thing ewing’s shot was a billion times harder then bosh’s shot . bosh was like inches from the net i could prob make that shot or any local baller could make that shot ewing had to run into the paint and he had like 5 people around him its kind of like that shot gilbert arenas missed against us its not a complete blunder bosh’s shot was a complete blunder which shows a lack of mental toughness and hence he is not a max player
by raptors_run_the_show on Apr 5, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Weems should have used that athletic ability to get to the rim more instead of jacking up jumpers (2-11) he would have shot a higher percentage and the game never would have come down to the last second.
Weems: 2-for-11.
Bargnani: 7-for-23.
Wright: 1-for-6
Calderon: 1-for-5.
But lets blame bosh…
Bosh vs David Lee
Raptors fans are saying that Bosh played a great game last night.
Well less than one week ago D. Lee put up a triple double vs these same Warriors. Something like 37 – 20 and 12.
Does anyone think that Lee is a max contract guy?
Bosh is overrated.
buddahfan your crazy
buddahfan if your comparing david lee to bosh who is a 5 time allstar who at least has gotten his to team to the playoffs and is 1 of the best pound for pound pf’s in the game today than your smoking something funny, i would take bosh over lee any day of the week..its pretty easy puttin up those kind of numbers on a team like the knicks when they been garbage for how long now?? so thats a horrible comparison.and for the raps to have ANY hope their starting 5 cant be as horrible as they were yesterday..for alot of you guys who put demar on blast alot when he even has a sub par game at best almost eveytime well i think u gotta do the same for weems..he flat out played horrible yesterday and i havent read any negative stuff on him but if it was demar lord you guys would be calling for his head.i love weems as much as anybody but you cant go like what 1-9 and play horrible defence like he did yesterday.same goes for wright. i still think this team can make the playoffs they have the tie breaker with the bulls so even if the bulls were to beat them next week they still be up 2 games to 1.im not all for the lets miss the playoffs and HOPE to get a decnt pick who might not even work out good so why take that chance..no good plsyer is gonna wanna come to a team knowing that they tanked the rest of the season just to get a high draft pick which may not even pan out, thats horrible thinking id rather get in the playoffs and who knows..upsets do happen in the playoffs man you just never know
True about Weems but when was the last time Demar tipped an inbounds play that almost allowed the Raptors to win the game? Weems is just a better over all player at this stage then Demar is. Weems had an off game but it wasn’t like he was the only one. Remember a couple games ago Weems was 8-8?
Ooops, missed your tanking comment. No one is talking about the Raptors losing every game for the rest of the season to get a high pick as that isn’t even possible. What some of us are suggesting is that the Raptors would be better off missing the playoffs and retaining their 1st round pick IF you take the view that Bosh is leaving regardless. The sense I get is that Bosh is gone unless the Raptors somehow win their first round match up.
Bosh Is Not A Max Player
All Star team or not.
D, Rodman one of the greatest defender/rebounders in the history of the NBA will never make the HOF. All-Star HOF are so political and based upon popularity it is ridiculous. No way Iverson deserved to be an all-star this year, but he was.
Fair comparison
David Lee might well be the best comparison to CB4 out there.
HFunny you state thet Lee’s number’s are easier to obtain on a bad team. Well doesn’t that kinda summarize Bosh as well?
I can’t recall Bosh ever having 10 assists. Not even sure about the 20 boards. Don’t take this as a knock on Bosh but if we can ever get Lee and change for Bosh in a sign and trade we would be fools to not take it. Raptors don’t need 20 points from Lee, we need his heart.
maybe
maybe lee would be a fair comparison but how many game winners has lee hit for the knicks not dat many too my knowledge, and ive heard guys calling games saying could lee put up the kind of numbers on a WINNING team where doing it on a team like the knicks sumone has to do it..i mean what other big guys on their roster can get them rebounds?? no body only lee,at least bosh has put up 20-10 on his playoff teams not just when the raps were losing to so theres a big diffrence in the 2 guys right there. and your saying we dont need lees 20 points only his heart? well than why give up or trade a guy in bosh who can give u the 20 points AND the heart? and a sign and trade wouldnt work unless lee wanted to come here and im sorry i would ask for sumone else along with lee to come over. im sorry i just dont see giving up on a 5 time allstar , 20-10 guy, and who has lend his team to the playoffs for someone in lee who has put up good numbers on a bad team his whole career i would ask for more if im the raps
Lee Actually Has A Higher Rebounding % Than Bosh
TRB%
Total rebound percentage is an estimate of the percentage of available rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor
Lee
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2009-10 – 17.9%
Career – 18.2%
Bosh
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2009-10 – 17.7%
Career – 14.9%
Dennis Rodman probably also had a better rebound percentage as Bosh, is he comparable as well. The issue isn’t the numbers that a player puts up but how comparable their games are and Lees game is very different from Bosh’s. Bosh is considered a stretch 4 (maybe even the epitome) while Lee is more of a traditional PF or in the modern era, an undersized center.
we need lee's heart
Knicks lost that game to GS also…
We are all losing braincells reading these posts. So now we need a power forward to give us 12 assists and David Lee is better than Chris Bosh because in that particular game he got so many assists. Yes we would be fools not to take that deal because clearly the issue with this team is Chris Bosh. The rest of the team outside of JJ couldn’t score and it was all Bosh’s fault because of the sticking when he gets the ball. All those bricks off the first pass by everyone else was a figment of my imagination. Bosh isn’t a leader because grown men making millions of dollars a year can’t seem to stop taking jumpers. Sign me up for the “let’s ride David Lee and Hedo to the Finals” club.
what they have in common
they are both surrounded by crappy teamates
Now that everyone had their say
I am challenging all Raps fans to get behind the team for the last 6 games 3 at home 3 on the road, 3 against top 10 and 3 below 500 teams. If the Raps go 4-2 we are in, heck 3-3 will get us in but the Bulls are beating some good teams so you can’t count them out. I have tickets for Sunday I will let you know.
bosh eastern conference player of the week
Just saw on nba.com bosh got eastern conference player of the week..only if they had won the game it would have been icing on the cake
by sherwin316 on Apr 5, 2010 4:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
LOL
It’s already the icing on the cake after reading all the “Bosh sucks” posts, I guess NBA.com don’t know ball, but raptors fans do.
Bosh Doesn't Suck - He Is Just Not A Max Contract Guy
I would say he is worth no more than what he is making now and given the decreased salary cap for next year, Bosh might even be worth less next year than he is making now.
Who said Bosh sucks?
Or Lee is better. I said that Lee might be the best comparison to Bosh. Might be better, might not.
Didn’t say we need a PF to get 10 assists(although from what I’ve seen of Lee he moves the ball better than Bosh). I’’ve considered Lee a Centre btw..
What I did say was both players have put up good stats on bad teams. An accurate statement.
Im implying that Raps don’t have to replace Bosh’s scoring when he leaves. His shots will get taken. If we could replace him with someone who plays close to the basket, well things haven’t been that good with the status quo, now has it.
A decision has to be made regarding Bosh. Keep the course and sign him to what may become an albatross of a contract(we have one of those now). Or not.
Not in so many words...
but alot of people seem to be criticizing him because he missed a layup that was blocked in a special circumstance. I’m saying so what, they wouldn’t have even been close to winning without him, and who cares if he’s a max conract or not. How is that relevant to anything that is happening now? Just stop comparing him to other players and pointing out what he can’t do. He’s probably the second best power forward in the league and I would much rather have an albatross contract with someone who actually puts up 20 and 10’s on a nightly basis, over some of the other contracts we have with glorified pieces of furniture. Appreciate what we have and criticize the players that are not getting the job done.
He probably isn’t worth it, but you can win with Bosh at max. You just have very little room for error otherwise and our GMs never seem to get players at good talent/salary ratios. We have at least 4 bad contracts on the roster (Turk, Jose, Jack, Andrea).
How is Jarret Jack at 5 million a year a bad contract? He is essentially a starting quality point guard who is stuck on the bench because BC is showcasing Calderon so he can move him the offseason (or maybe Calderon has naked pictures of BC or something).
I guess you could do worse. Derek Fisher is some combination of worse/more expensive and the Lakers are the defending champs.
Jack’s shooting a higher % than he has typically and Jose’s play has fallen off from previous years which helps his case. Still, BC has made it clear that the Jose/Jack situation will be resolved in the offseason which begs the question why it was ever necessary to sign him and create this problem in the first place instead of trying to develop a young backup.
Jack is a player that doesn’t push us towards home court advantage but isn’t bad enough to push us towards a high draft pick either. He’s the type of player can only pull your team toward the low playoff seed/playoff fringe in the absence of a strong surrounding cast, a place no team should aim to be.
Basically, I would have had less problem with his contract were he on the Hawks than the Raptors. He keeps us in no man’s land.
Not all bad
Only one that bugs me is Turk’s. No one was complaining when we gave Jose the deal, Jack is getting market value and why am I the only one who loves the deal we gave Andrea.
You are not the only one
I thought both the Jack signing and the Bargnani signing were solid. I was also fully on board the “Just say no to Hedo” bandwagon. I wonder if that means I “don’t know ball”?
Give an "F" to Triano
Everyone knows the Warriors sucked inside and Triano is a dumb ass not to have a game plan to feed inside to Bosh and have everyone attacking the basket. Look Bosh got 23 foul shots, that shows that Warriors do not have the answer. The way the game was played, even Bargnani’s 18 points was a lousy shooting night for 23 shots. This soft Euro forward simply does not want to play the inside game where the percentages are lot higher. Why keep bombing away when you can have layups. F for fire that no brain Triano.
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