RaptorsHQ De-Brief - Bryan Colangelo's Press Conference Recap Part II
Yesterday we almost shut the site down thanks to the great discussion around Part I of RaptorsHQ's look at Bryan Colangelo's season wrap-up chat with the media.
Part II should provide more of the same...
Wow.
That's probably the best way for me to sum up the discussion on the site yesterday, which was absolutely fabulous. Not everyone was in agreement but as usual, there were some very well thought-out points on both sides, so much in fact that late last night I contemplated foregoing this "Part II" and simply posting reader thoughts for discussion.
We may still do that at some point, but I'd like to first get through the rest of BC's chat with the media, as there are some other interesting points that I felt came out of the talk.
So again, in the words of Slick Rick the Ruler, heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go...
Q: So, what’s the plan here?
BC: The plan, Michael (Grange), is to win basketball games at whatever cost and whatever extent. It’s been noted, and I will reiterate, that the board is fully committed to doing whatever it takes to put a winning team on the floor. That includes re-signing Chris Bosh. That includes exceeding the tax limit. We did get some favourable news the other day as a league, I guess, people in my position are licensed to spend more money: The cap and the tax figures that were anticipated to drop quite a bit will not drop as much as originally thought. It gives some teams with cap space more flexibility and more room to move. But it also gives teams that are over the cap and trying to avoid the tax more room to move. I would say, though, in any regard that when you plug in a Chris Bosh and you plug in a possible re-signing of an Amir Johnson and plugging in a few other positions in the roster that will address a few other needs in the roster we’re probably going to exceed the tax. Not probably, but very likely. The question of exceeding the tax and to what degree will be determined by what’s in front of us. The outcome of the Chris Bosh will probably determine quite a bit. If he comes back at that number, we know what the number is, the number where that starting contract might be. If he goes away in a sign-and-trade, it depends on what we net back, how much flexibility, how much less or how much more, we take back. Again, there are some other things. If we stay above the cap, which is likely to be the case, you’re looking at the mid-level exception as a possibility. You’re looking at sign-and-trade pieces with your own players. An Antoine Wright piece, similar to what we did with Carlos Delfino. He was a piece that was an asset staying within our team or roster as a cap hold, and we took his free agent rights and decided to make a deal that acquired two productive, young players in Amir and Sonny. There are situations like that that need to be worked out. The plan is to win basketball games. The commitment is there from ownership to exceed the tax if necessary. And we’ll do what we can to bring the right pieces in.
Q:What is "if necessary"?
BC: It depends on what’s there and what’s available. If there is a free agent and there’s justification to signing that free agent, because A, he is the right fit, and B, he’s the right piece, he’s got the right character, the right mentality, the right everything and he’s going to move the dial in the right direction, that’s if necessary. If there’s someone we just have to feel, "OK, we just have to spend a mid-level contract on him," no, it doesn’t make sense. If the Amir Johnson situation pans out and he’s a free agent and we intend to bring him back, we want to bring him back, he wants to come back, that ultimate number will decided how much flexibility we have. So if necessary, we will move to address those other concerns to what extent, again, gets left.
If you look at Antoine Wright, the same kind of thing will work itself out. All the unknowns are the numbers, the slots, the amount of flexibility we have that will determine to what extent we exceed the tax. I’ve got scenarios where I can paint a picture that we’ll be a 3-million-dollar tax team. I’ve got scenarios where we’ll be a 7-million-dollar tax team. And I’ve got scenarios where we’ll be higher than that. But they’re all scenarios because of the unknowns of free agency and the off-season that have yet to be determined. Today, those answers aren’t available.
Q: How much do you need to do to get to the next step?
BC: …Not a whole lot. But there are clearly things that we’re going to address to make sure we get there. And the biggest variable is Chris. If Chris is here, we’ve got a certain team to address, and certain needs to address. And if Chris is not here, depending on what comes out of that Chris Bosh scenario, there are going to be certain needs that need to be addressed. It’s going to take some time. But I think you know and understand and have witnessed that we will do what is necessary to make changes and address those areas.
Q: So you believe in core of this team and assets you have?
BC: I don’t think we’re as bad as the picture is being painted. We might not be as good as we had hoped, but we’re not as bad. We have the knowledge of the value of the players. We have the knowledge of the talent of these players. We see the interaction of these players on a daily basis. It’s something that you’ve just got to trust that we’re going to do what we can to turn us into that 50-win team.
I grouped this next bunch of questions together because they all deal with Colangelo's vision of the franchise going forward, or his "master plan" so to speak, and I think the most important thing to take from this section is that MLSE is willing to open the coffers.
I'm not sure nearly enough has been made of this point.
Sure various "small-market" teams have had success in the league, however by and large, if you look at this year's top guns, they're all willing to venture into the luxury tax zone to have a shot at an NBA Championship. Traditionally Toronto hasn't been cheap so to speak, but they've never been able to play with the proverbial big boys in terms of spend either.
If indeed MLSE is willing to spend more to "win basketball games at whatever cost and whatever extent," then suddenly the messy contracts that BC will have to deal with going forward, don't seem like such a pair of cement shoes.
But what about the "game plan" as Michael Grange asked? Couldn't BC have alluded to what he's looking to do with this team? Even in years past he's been forthcoming about looking to get "tougher, more athletic, etc, etc." This year, not a peep.
However I think that's because until the Chris Bosh domino falls, there's really not much he CAN say. The whole off-season in essence is predicated on what decision CB4 makes and that's why even the draft this year could be very interesting.
Q: What about the year Hedo Turkoglu has had?
BC: Hedo had a tough year, there’s no way to sugarcoat that. He acknowledged it himself. He struggled. I really appreciate the fact that he acknowledged it, not only acknowledged it but apologized to the fans for some of the things that took place during the season. He remains a talented player. He made some progress down the stretch with the relationship with the coach. Perhaps a common ground was met on a few things. Perhaps late we addressed some issues that needed to be addressed. But he’s a solid basketball player and he can help this basketball teams win games. But he needs to be more prepared next year to do so.
Q: What is the future for yourself and Jay?
BC: Myself, I’m under contract. I want to be here. I’m committed to being here. I’m committed to making this team a winner. And I believe the ownership group is committed to me allowing that to happen. With respect to Jay, Jay’s under contract. I look around the league and I count as few as six and as many as nine possible coaching vacancies this summer. I have no intention to make this one of those nine. Jay obviously learned a lot this year. I think this was a learning year for all of us. We learned about the players. We learned about the coaching staff. Jay probably learned a little bit more about coaching in the NBA as an NBA head coach. As he acknowledged, he probably would do a few things differently. And those are things that he’s brought to my attention or we’ve discussed throughout the year. Given the chance, he will address those things going forward to be a better coach. He’s young in this business. Every coach deserves an opportunity to learn. He acknowledged to all of you what some of those situations were.
Q: Hedo’s relationship with the coach, is that on the coach or is that on the player?
BC: It’s probably a combination of both. I don’t know if it’s necessarily a relationship, maybe I phrased that wrong. It’s not a relationship issue, per say, but it’s more of a, ‘did we use him right?’ and did he take advantage of the opportunity that was given to him and did he handle himself appropriately.
Again, I don’t want to paint this picture that this is all on Hedo. Just like I said this is not all on Chris Bosh. It’s a combination of bringing nine new players together and a lot of change and a coach that was in his first full hear at the helm. We learned a lot. We learned a lot as a group. And if we do nothing but come to training camp with the same team we’re going to be a better team. I think you guys know we’re not going to sit back and wait for that to happen. We’ll make some new adjustments, we’ll make some changes and we’ll look at things and we’ll assess everything, but I don’t think the relationship was necessarily fractured it was just not as good as it could have been and they found a common ground down the stretch of how things could be different but it was a case of too little too late.
Q: Do you think you overestimated Hedo?
BC: I think we overestimated the ability, potentially, to bring nine new faces together and bring such dramatic change and have it all come together. Rightly or wrongly, he just never got himself in the right kind of condition to compete as he had the previous year and that was pretty clear. It wasn’t from a lack of work. He worked hard, the kid worked hard, he just never seemed to recover. As soon as he started making forward progress he was set back a little bit. He had an illness to his mother, he got hit in the face twice, he went out and played with a busted nose, mask or no mask. He’s frustrated, he’s disappointed, he’s embarrassed. He doesn’t feel good about things. I would say the chapter is not over. It’s just not. You’ll see a better Hedo Turkoglu next year.
This part I found extremely interesting as it was the first I'd heard of actual issues between Triano and Turk. I'm guessing it stemmed from Triano's uber-competitiveness and his frustration with seeing Hedo simply go through the motions. However as a fan, it's frustrating to read this and not wonder why Jay didn't therefore yank the Ottoman's chain a lot sooner. I guess this is one of the "learning" points BC refers to.
It was also at this point in the press conference that I began to get really worried about next year.
Colangelo had noted in response to one of my early questions that he didn't know if Andrea "would ever be fully ready to replace Chris," and now was defending Hedo, essentially saying that while he was somewhat to blame, the major issue was trying to incorporate that many new players at once, and that we'd see a better Turk next year.
Does anyone else then get the feeling that if Bosh is gone, Colangelo envisions this as Hedo's team, not Andrea's?
I do...and it scares me JUST a bit.
Q: If you overestimated bringing nine new faces together, how do you account for the middle section where the team was 10 games over .500?
BC: Its maintaining or sustaining the consistency as to where we fell short. Not to mention we hit the stride and then our best player goes out with an ankle and misses six or seven games. It completely threw us into a downward spiral and by the time we got … it was tough to recover from. Now we find ourselves trying to make the transition away with Chris, Chris comes back then we have the transition back to Chris. You might have seen even down the stretch it really is a couple of different styles that can be played, but Chris is a dominant scorer and he’s going to have the ball in his hands a lot which makes others on the court play differently. When hes off the court we have to do other things and make adjustments. It’s probably safe to say that the first time around Andrea wasn’t ready to do that. I’m not sure why he didn’t grab it, maybe it was just the fact that the team was struggling as a whole. The second go around I think we were much better prepared for it. He gets hit and we played okay, we played better than we had the earlier time. But your best player is out of the lineup for 12 games.
Q: You were 5-7 in those games…with that record down the stretch, you're in the playoffs...
BC: Your best player misses 12 games down the stretch of the season. you’re making adjustments to him being in and out of the lineup and the team was not performing well as a whole. We were not playing consistently.
RHQ: In a year where you're trying to retain Chris Bosh's services, you've talked a lot about "learnings" from Triano, obvioulsy Hedo, even DeMar, was that necessarily advisable because this is such a crucial time-period where you're trying to incorporate nine new people, yet trying to retain Chris Bosh at the same time. Is it possible now, because of this, that he (Bosh) might take his services elsewhere?
Q: I don’t think that has anything to do with it. In fact, developing young players like DeMar, playing as many minutes as he did, is only going to benefit him down the stretch, it’s going to benefit us long term. I don’t think you can pin the season failures on DeMar DeRozan. That’s not fair. A Sonny Weems comes in and gives you all kinds of lift when you needed lift. That’s certainly not a detraction from where Chris is going to be looking at things this year. It’s more collectively where we failed. It’s not individuals, it’s collectively. I said it all along, the one thing about this team, it wasn’t a talent issue it was more mental. It was about getting 14 individuals to work together that maybe we fell short and that’s something again we’ve learned from and we will improve upon and maybe make some adjustments or changes to certain areas of the locker room. One thing that goes unnoticed or unwritten is that we failed at bridging some of the relationships per say in the locker room. There might have been a guy in the past like Anthony Parker that did a great job at understanding what the international players were going through and understanding what the American players were going through. We didn’t have that kind of piece that was a stability or a glue guy that made that happen. That’s something, I can’t say that enough because he was such a vital part and a stable force in that scenario whereas this year we didn’t seem to have that. Again, I think you have to look at the situation that 12, 13, 14 individuals were playing maybe more as individuals than they were as teammates and team basketball wins games. To the point of the demise or the spiral downward at the end oft he season, that’s part of where some of those things factored in.
Oooh...things got a bit testy here and this is when I felt BC started to really go on the defensive. I also thought this section represented some of the best direct questions on the day. (And not just because I got one in here.)
The fact is that if the club had such a tough time incorporating nine new faces, shouldn't we have seen that early in the season but not late? Why indeed was the middle stretch quite good? You can't use the "nine new faces" excuse in some circumstances but not others!
The reality is in my books, the schedule had a lot to do with how this team played. If you graphed it out you'd get sort of a bell curve type shape, with the schedule starting off extremely tough, softening up towards the middle, and then getting stronger again towards the end. And really, that echoed this team's performance didn't it?
And as the Sun reporter was trying to point out, you can't blame the poor finish on missing Bosh as the team did go 5 and 7, and had that pace had continued, it would have been enough for an 8th place finish.
Instead of getting into that however, BC simply restated his first answer!
Awwwwwwwwkward.
Now onto my question.
In hindsight, I could have worded it a lot better, but in those press conference type situations, it's tough to ask long-winded questions, so it came out a bit garbled. My real question would have been:
"Was it really a good idea to gamble on a number of "rookies," from the head coach to shooting guard etc, in a year where you're trying to convince Chris Bosh to remain a Raptor?"
In any event, whether he understood my question or not, he didn't answer it. However his answer did bring up the interesting point about the importance of an Anthony Parker type, something that I found quite valid. Any time I was in the Raptors' locker-room this year, there really did seem to be a gap between the International players and the North American ones. Not in terms of actual animosity, but just a bit of a communication gap. For instance I'd roll in and Turk and Marco would be stretching and joking around. Or Weems and Amir Johnson would be singing together. But rarely did I see much crossover between the groups, the one exception being Antoine Wright, telling his locker-neighbour Rasho that he better lock the doors tonight because Wright was going to come over and feed Rasho's kids candy to keep them up all evening.
Moving on...
Q: Guard play is so important in the league right now. How do you like the make up of this team with respect to the guards?
BC: You getting back to our point guard situation or our off guard? Clearly guard play is critical and the ability to create shots and the ability to distribute the ball and get the team into an offence. All of those things that make good teams great. Right now do we have that player who can go out and score 20 points a game alongside Chris Bosh at the guard position? Yes, but not with consistency.
You’ll see the occasional 20-point night out of one of the guards, whether it was DeMar in the last game, sometimes Jarrett Jack, sometimes Jose. There’s someone capable of that, but right now our 20-point scorer is in the power forward spot or the five with Bargnani. He’s the guy that night in and night out can average 20 points a game. We need to address the guard play, that’s something we’ve already talked about needing to address. Two point guards, can they co-exist, are they good enough? Are they good enough together. Collectively I think they averaged 22 and 10. You want your starting point guard to average 10 assists per game. Means they’re getting people involved on the court and getting things done out on the court. Division of minutes, consistency, injuries those sorts of things, you’ve got to figure out if they can both still play. If you take one and make a move with the other, is that guy capable of running the show and doing that.
With regard to the wing position, you’ve got some talent there too. You’ve got a 20 year-old that is learning his way. For everyone that wants me or us to find a 20-point scorer, they’re not falling from the sky. Kobe’s not available and you’ve gotta make do with what you’ve got. We set out to find that player or potentially increase the possibility of finding that player by drafting an athletic, talented player in DeMar DeRozan who at times showed flashes of being a guy who maybe could go out and do that. It’s going to take some time, he’s only 20, this was a good jump start for him to be able to do that. It’s going to take a lot of work on his part, some offseason training that’s going to entail some of those things. Working on his handle, shot creation, those sorts of things, but you can see the positive development of both he and Sonny Weems.
A year ago Sonny Weems couldn’t crack a roster. He played in the NBDL for Denver, he gets traded once, twice in the summer, he comes into our situation and down the stretch he didn’t look like an NBDL player for us. To get back to the conversation I had with Tim Grgurich about him, the assistant coach in Denver, he’s going to tell you he can score 20 a game, but he can really defend the win position. For us to go out and find a guy like that who can stop people, it’s great. It’s great that we found a guy. He’s versatile too. He can guard ones, twos, sometimes threes. It’s a positive. That’s the development, that’s the work that the coaching staff put in with these guys.
We’ve got two young players that we can tap into .Where they take it, it’s all part of the game. Offseason is a where these guys get better. I don’t think DeMar is going to be sitting around. He’s very hungry and busy and doing the things that he needs to do. One of the reasons that we drafted him was because of his character and his drive. He wants to be good. He wants to be considered one of the best. We’ll see where it goes.
Not a ton to get into here but this is the 17th time I've heard Colangelo use this "Kobe doesn't grow on trees" type argument.
Got it.
But this team doesn't necessarily need a Kobe. It does need someone who can create off the bounce and defend the wing position and unfortunately, the last draft did have a number of players of that ilk.
And more Sonny Weems talk.
Yes Weems took another step forward in terms of his game.
But ask yourself, on a good team, would he have gotten that chance? Part of the issue here is that the Raptors are not a good team, and therefore a player like Weems sticks out like a sore thumb. Had he been playing for Denver still, he might not have gotten much more than a second look.
As well...I had half a mind to stand up and say "if you're praising Sonny so much, why in the hell didn't you make Jay use him more during the bulk of the season?"
End rant. Next...
Q: You have to get better defensively. Do you have the personnel?
BC: It’s safe to say we need to improve our personnel in that area and we have to probably get better at formulating and executing a defensive strategy using the personnel that we have available. I think we can all be better defenders and we lost sight of it at times, but as it’s been pointed out our defence was good at times but it was when our offence was rolling. It seemed to feed off of our offence. We were number one in the East if I’m not mistaken in team offence and number five overall in the league. Defensively we were in the 20 range, if I’m not mistaken. It’s an area of improvement. No sugar-coating that we need to get better defensively. We need to demand more of the players defensively and we will.
RHQ: Bryan, just going back to the defence, a lot of teams employ a lot of advanced statistics, and there's sort of this rise in that line of thought with NBA GM's. Just comment a little bit in that regards on the Raptors' organization. Are you looking to move in that direction, is there a gap there that needs to be close?
BC: I don't think you necessarily need to react to what everyone else is doing. We need to get better defensively, that's clear. As much as we can talk about how "effiicient" we are on offense, I think we're right there at the top, we need to get better defensively. And we'll address that with personnel changes potentially and with some of the things we've been talking about from a coaching stanpoint and how we prepare and how we motivate players to play better defensively.
RHQ: Do you believe in all these advanced stats, PER, adjusted plus minus, all this sort of stuff?
BC: (Looking like he wants to kill me.) We've got our own models, we don't necessarily go onto any popular websites when discussing the statistical component. We are investing significantly in the quantitative analysis that's going on in league. Jay has embraced it in a big way, and to a lesser extent with data that's available we're applying that as well to our draft selection criteria if you will. And as it relates to simple things like plus/minus and points and rebounds...we're well beyond that. Any trade target or free-agent target; any sign-and-trade scenarios which we will undertake with Chris, we've got all sorts of information and analysis which we'll look at to help make a more educated decision on how those things might work out.
Aaaah, so the Raptors DO use statistical analysis!
To what degree maybe we'll never know, but after some prompting, it was at least good to know that Toronto is not completely in the dark ages here in terms of analysis. However it's curious that if these "models" were in place last summer, why some of the free-agent and trade decisions were made and even more so, why none of these models helped sway Triano and co. to make better rotation decisions in terms of the team's defence. I'd love to sit down with Jay and talk more specifically about this and hopefully later this summer it's something the Raptors' organization would permit.
Q: What could you get in a sign-and-trade with Chris?
BC: It’s an impossible question to answer. I know what Chris Bosh’s value is in the market, over the course of the last year and a half, but it’s a situation where right now, because those conversations are not necessarily relevant or real time, I think it’s safe to say there are several cap teams with enough space to sign Chris outright. Again, on the premise that Chris is not is probably not going to make a decision to walk away from a significant amount of money, and security, we can be looking at those teams and analyzing possible targets and possible scenarios for us to consider. However, as you know, that’s a one-sided thought process at this point. There’s a whole other universe of teams out there that are over the cap, and would be interested in Chris Bosh, and have assets that we may be interested in. So assuming that Chris would rather play somewhere else, and he gives us a list of teams that he would be agreeable to go play for, then we can delve further into ‘What would we want back from this team?" That’s being evaluated, it has been evaluated, it will continue to be evaluated. And we will try to maximize our opportunity in the event that that’s the course of action.
Q: How do you sell him to stay this time?
BC: Depends really on what he is looking to achieve out of free agency. There’s been talk and speculation he wants to be a No. 1 guy; we have that. If he’s content to be a No. 2 guy, then there’s other options for him. This city is a place that has grown fond of him, and I think that he has grown fond of. And the unknown of moving to a new city, a new situation, acclimating, the pressures of a new maximum contract, are all things that he’s going to have to consider.
But this is a unique opportunity to him to market himself to an entire country, not just the city of Toronto. And for all the talk about marketing opportunities and new situations out there that will open up because of a move, sometimes it’s be careful what you wish for. More marketing opportunities and more time that’s spent away from the game is a drain, physically and otherwise, and you might make up a few dollars, but you might also suffer the consequences. The game is the most important aspect of it.
And he’s got the opportunity here to be the No. 1 guy, and he’s got a franchise behind him, he’s got an ownership group behind him, willing to exceed the tax limit, willing to do whatever it takes. He’s got a management team behind him, and relationships within the organization, that hopefully are longstanding. And there’s a loyalty that’s been built up, both ways.
Q: He told us last week that he wants to win…
BC: Absolutely, absolutely. And not just this team evolves, or has evolved, but the league evolves. And as the league continuous to evolve, and you look at what we’ve done, and I know it’s nothing to be proud of, but over the last four years we’re averaged 40 wins a season. The previous four years, I think, we averaged 29. So we’ve made a significant jump. And now it’s time to take the next jump. And that’s part of the evolution of this franchise. We want to get to the 50-plus plateau on a consistent basis, and continue to build from there. That’s on the horizon. We’ve flirted with it, we got to 47, we won the division, and things haven’t worked out. And you can talk about all the reasons why, or why not. But the fact of the matter is we’re a significantly better organization than when Chris signed the extension. There’s nothing to say we can’t continue moving, especially with the commitment that we have from ownership, the passion that our management team has to continue to make this thing grow, and we’re going to do everything in our power to make it happen.
And there’s going to be good decisions along the way, and bad decisions along the way. It’s the nature of the game. There’s going to be highs and lows. But the notion that the grass is greener somewhere else is a frightening notion sometimes. We’re not that far away. It’s not doom and gloom, as it’s been painted. And we’re going to be fine. it’s just a matter of a couple things falling into place here.
Q: What is your case? What do you tell Chris when you sit down with him?
BC: I’m not going to sell myself. I’m going to sell the organization and the city and the opportunity he has here. His agents know what my track record is, his agents know what my history is in terms of trying to make things happen. He knows where my passion lies, and also where the rest of this organization is in terms of our commitment to winning. That will be something we talk about. But there shouldn’t be any question about our desire to get better.
The interesting point in this next group of Bosh-related questions is the "how do you sell him to stay this time?" one. It's a very good question because this is now round two for BC. He convinced Bosh the first time by promising to deliver a team Bosh could lead to contention...and that didn't happen.
So now what?
Outside of "we can pay you more," what can BC do?
He alluded to a lot of outside factors like the organization as a whole, the city etc, but the reality is that if Chris "just wants to win" as he stated, this is going to be a tough sell considering the last three seasons.
Q: Do you think your reputation has suffered?
BC: Thanks to you guys? Just kidding.
I’m not going to grade myself. I think you guys have done a pretty good job of that. Reputationally, if I listen to people, I hope they’re not blowing smoke, but they think we’ve got a good basketball team and we’ve got a chance to be solid every year because we have a committed management team and a dedicated management team and a passionate group that has put this thing together. And a knowledgeable one. We’re not talking about a couple years of experience here, we’re talking about a lot of years. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don’t. It’s always easy to look back and say ‘Should have done this, could have done this, would have done that.’ But let’s look at the averages. I think we spoiled you guys a little early here, went from 27 wins to 47, won a division, got into the playoffs two years in a row, and everything seemed to be coasting in the right direction. This business is not easy. And we continue to move and we continue to evolve and we continue to try to make the right decisions, and out-work the people we’re competing against.
And I’m not proud of averaging 40 wins and only making the playoffs twice. I’m just not.
RHQ: Bryan, you've talked a lot about getting to that "next level." How big of a step-back is it going to be if Bosh leaves? Do you feel the players you have now, because you've got a lot of contracts tied up long-term, can they take this club still to the "next level?"
BC: It all depends on what you net back in a sign-and-trade, how other players evolve. And I do believe we have players who can evolve. I do believe Andrea bargnani has got potential to considerably increase his scoring, and he absolutely has room to increase rebounding. And as he gets better and learns and, maybe even becomes more of a focal point if Chris Bosh leaves, we’re going to see just what he’s made of, but I think you see glimpses of it more often than not. With respect to the rest of the guys, if Chris leaves, then the ball will be in someone else’s hands. And if Hedo Turkoglu is back, then he’ll have the ball in his hands. And perhaps that will be an evolution of this team. Things will change if Chris leaves, and we will have to replace 24 points and 11 rebounds. We will have to replace his presence with his team.
Q: What do you think about the anger from your fanbase this season?
BC: I feel their frustration. I think they would be less frustrated if there wasn’t such a frenzied movement. I think that we are addressing the areas of concern of our season seatholders with added value elements, all the time. More accessibility, entertainment, character, giving back to the community, all the things that we do in a positive light in this marketplace, are things that we will continue to strive to get better at. We will strive to make the basketball team more entertaining, more competitive, and do everything we can to win basketball games. Our fans have been incredibly supportive, in particular the people who invest in our company by purchasing season tickets, individual tickets, group tickets, all those partners are incredibly valuable to us and supportive of us. And the rest of the market is supportive of us. And I’m not just talking about Toronto. I’m talking about all of Canada. We’ve got a lot of interest as we got o other cities, it’s incredible the amount of pride in the Toronto Raptors jersey that we have, the relationships that have been built up … there’s people who know we’re doing everything we can to make this thing as good as possible, to make them proud.
But we cannot be swayed by the angst of a vocal minority that wants us to be someone we’re not. What we are is we’re a solid organization, one of the best-run organizations in the NBA and in professional sports. Top to bottom. I’m talking about hockey, basketball, soccer, real estate, everything. Television. it’s a company that will do everything in its power to answer the fans’ concerns, and that’s what we’re doing.
The one thing we control is our effort and our attempt to make it happen.
My last question was thanks to Howland, who texted me during the presser to ask Bryan just what he thought this team would be like minus Bosh.
Because it's a huge point.
On one hand BC talked a lot about this team being close and not as bad as its record indicates.
Yet on another, he talked a lot about the possibility of not having Bosh next year.
And again, from Colangelo's answers, I get the feeling he really believes that sans-Bosh, Hedo and Bargs will pick up some of the slack and things won't be as bad as many think they'll be.
And that I've got to question.
I would never say Bosh is the toughest player but he's He-Man compared to most of his teammates. Who replaces that? Or how about the free-throw attempts or rebounds?
What I don't want is to come to this point next season and have Colangelo tell us "well guys, what did you expect? We wont 22 games this year because we were missing our franchise player!"
And unfortunately I can see that happening based on the past few seasons and BC's explanations for what frankly have been some poor decisions.
So in summary, what can we as Raptors' fans take from this marathon media session?
Well, I'd say the basics are that one or both of the point guards have to go, Jay will be back, Hedo will get another shot with new teammates once more, MLSE is williing to spend to put a winner in the ACC, Bosh may not return but Toronto is still his best option financially, and depending on what CB4 decides, BC will adjust accordingly via free-agency and to a lesser extent the draft.
Oh...and the Toronto Raptors may or may not use some form of advanced statistics.
As many of our readers mentioned yesterday, you really have no choice now but to hope that BC can pull off some off-season heroics.
The team has failed to meet even mediocre expectations the past three seasons after over-achieving in year one, and now has to right the ship before things get really ugly.
Is BC the right man to do it?
I'd be lying if I said I was sure he was but really, it's ridiculous to have a "fire BC" discussion unless you can name some suitable replacements and provide evidence as to why they should take the helm in TO.
Right now I can't...but that's not to say that should the troubles continue, I won't start compiling a list of potential candidates.
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We are investing significantly in the quantitative analysis that’s going on in league. Jay has embraced it in a big way, and to a lesser extent with data that’s available we’re applying that as well to our draft selection criteria if you will.
Why do I have trouble believing “Jay has embraced it in a big way”? Could it be the ongoing use of the Turkoglu-Jack-Calderon lineup? Or even the horrific Jack-Calderon pairing? Maybe it was the reluctance to replace DeMar DeRozan in the starting lineup?
I’m sure Triano is exposed to this type of analysis. But it sure as hell isn’t influencing anything he’s doing with his lineups or rotations.
And if they were truly applying this type of analysis to their draft plans, we probably would’ve enjoyed watching Ty Lawson or DeJuan Blair in a Raptors uniform this past season.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 21, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
my 2 cent lol
You guys did a great job yesterday and todays post..I wish I could have added my 2 cents yesterday but had no time..right now I’m half full half empty on all this.bryan does deserve some heat for what went on roster wise,but like I stated awhile ago on 1 of the posts he did improve this roster talent wise look at all the moves he did.the only REAL bad one was hedo but who knows maybe he’ll play better next year and reggie the way bryan was talking might not be here next year.I also gotta defend derozan abit I agree with you guys saying that weems should have started but derozan sure as hell didn’t really cost us games. I don’t remember thw guys he was guarding lighting him up and he showed a lot of flashes of good things to come (specially when him and weems play together) saying we could have had lawson,blair or collison well its easy to say that now but we didn’t need a rookie point guard in lawson, almost every team in the league were scared to take blair..not just the raps and collison wth no one even knew who he was til he got playing time in new orleans so that one is a toss up.but I still like our pick remember the kid is only 20..he can only get better and I think he’ll be the wing player we’ve been needing.
by sherwin316 on Apr 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think where Derozan really hurt us was the fact he wasn’t close to being ready to play major minutes which lead to a lot of the Jack/Calderon/Turk lineups being run out there. I realise that it is nitpicking to say that but if he could be counted on in crunch time maybe Jay wouldn’t have had to role that lineup out there every game.
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by Adam Francis on Apr 21, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are fantastic! LOL!
How about a shirt that simply says
“efence”
Get it?! No “D”!!! Bu-dum-ching! Thanks folks, I’m hear all night… LOL
What about Reggie?
1. Is anybody else scared $#!tless that if Bosh leaves, our main offensive weapon is a man with obvious self esteem issues, has to be coddled by the coach and admittedly sometimes takes a lackadaisical approach to rebounding? I know that this has been pointed out, but I don’t think some of the fans are as scared as they should be.
2. Lost in all this Bosh, Turk, Derozan, Jack/Calderone and Bargs talk is the fact that probably the biggest bust this season is Reggie Evans. He was brought in to provide toughness and rebounding. He ended up missing a significant chunk of the season due to injury (not really his fault, I know). However, when he finally did make it on to the court, he quickly found himself at the end of the bench for trying to put up offensive numbers he was never expected to produce. To be fair, it can be argued that Hedo was the bigger bust, but at least he was useful at times. Can the same really be said for Reggie? No one thought he was going to be a game changer, but man there was a lot of hype around him.
3. I like that Triano will be back. In your face haters!!! He’s a solid coach who deserves at least one more season.
4. Someone yesterday referred to Toronto as a small market. Really?
5. The Colangelo sheen is starting to dull.
6. Despite what my comments might suggest, I’m still glass half full with regards to this team. Though I may be singing a different tune in a couple of months.
I don't think it's fair to call Reggie Evans a bust
Evans got built up by certain media and fans as the next coming of Charles Oakley. But the reality is that he played sparingly for a terrible 76ers team and was only going to give the Raptors 5-10 minutes of court time anyway. How he failed to meet expectations is beyond me (even with the injury).
Hedo Turkoglu faced a similar issue. The fact that he hit some big shots on TV for a very good Orlando Magic team masked the reality that he is an average to below average NBA player. Apparently, this even confused our highly-regarded general manager who lavished a ridiculous contract on Turk.
And one more little fact: Toronto is actually the 4th largest media market in North America behind New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Vince Carter had no problem becoming the most popular basketball player in the world while he played here. Of course, you have to actually win games or do things that make people excited in order to receive the attention that a large-market team should have..
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 21, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Re:Evans. I expected more from Evans, but I may have been swept up in the hype. I started losing interest in him when he posted to his twitter account laughing about Bosh getting kicked in the junk by Pierce. However, he seemed really popular with the fans as well as his fellow teamates. I really thought he would provide some sort of inspiration (for lack of a better word) for the team when he came back from injury. In preseason he seemed to provide a bit of a spark. But he ended up a non factor.
Re: Toronto=small market. That is what I thought. N.Y., Chitown and L.A. were the only other markets I thought were bigger. I think some people/NBA fans underestimate the city of Toronto because it is in Canada.
I think people toss around the term ‘small market’ in place of ‘desirability’ – and these are two different things.
As far as professional atheles are concerened, the tax issue comes into play since they are making obscene amounts of money. So you can automatically put the Florida and Texas-based teams ahead of Toronto (since they have no state taxes).
In no particular order, here are the markets that would be more attractive to a free agent than Toronto:
- New York (Knicks and the soon-to-be Brooklyn Nets)
- Los Angeles (Lakers and the Clippers… despite ownership issues)
- Chicago
- Orlando
- Miami
- Dallas
- Houston
- San Antonio
- Phoenix (another warm weather city)
- Golden State (warm weather, probably the 7th largest media market in NA, and should have new ownership soon)
And if the Maloofs ever move the Kings to Las Vegas, they rocket up the list of desirable places to play.
So Toronto – despite being the 4th largest media market in North America – is in the bottom two thirds of the NBA in terms of desirability, even by the most optimistic standards.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You're a glass half empty kinda guy, aren't you?
One could easily sugar coat that by saying Toronto is in the top half of desirable locals for free agents.
In all seriousness though. That brings me to another thought. If it is so hard to attract free agents to the city of Toronto, wouldn’t it make sense to try and build a quality product through the draft instead of plugging holes with what has essentially been “the best of what’s left”? Which, let’s face it, is what BC has been doing. Give him credit for the effort and some of the trades he’s been able to pull off. However, in the time it would take to build a respectable team with cheap young talent we could establish a reputation as a quality organization which could compensate for our lack of desirability with regards to location and tax implications. My knowledge of the business of the NBA is pretty lacking and I am sure that what I’m suggesting is easier said than done, but it just seems like in the long run that would be the wiser course to take. However, from what BC is saying, it seems he has no interest in that route. So we’re going to get another off season of choosing the best of the rest.
Not so much a ‘glass is half empty guy’ – I prefer to look at it as realism.
In your second paragraph, you basically described the OKC Thunder.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right, I was thinking of the OKC when as I typed it. They are one of my favorite teams to watch. Plus, I think we can all agree that Triano is better suited to coach fresh young talent rather than veterans with egos. So, we’d be playing to our coach’s strengths.
I don’t want to bail on BC, but I think he needs to change his tactic. Because, when he says that MLSE is willing to go over the cap, that tells me we are going to end up over paying someone in a desperate attempt to replace Bosh, should he decide to leave.
Or Portland Trailblazers. Both are prime examples of teams that traditionally are considered small markets yet both have built nice teams through the draft and by agreeing to take on other teams contractual mistakes. Maybe Toronto should to that route as well as they seem to have already started with their own.
Too bad we don’t have Sam Presti. So obvious that he is a better GM than BC. He has patience, doesn’t waste money, and makes the playoffs anyway!
My theory is: If you don’t have a playoff team by the time you reach the soft cap, there is no point in paying the luxury tax.
Accordingly, BC does the opposite and starts selling fans on MLSE’s willingness to go into luxury tax territory without a playoff team in the EAST. fuuuuuuuuuuu
I am not sure I agree with your list as I do not see most of those teams being huge free agent draws.
San Antonio – name the last major free agent other than their own that the have signed. Roger Mason doesn’t count.
Los Angeles Clippers – true they signed Baron Davis but that was as much about him playing with his friend Elton Brand. Unfortunately with friends like Brand, who needs enemies.
Chicago – not sure I agree that Chicago is a huge draw right now and the resent past. This offseason things might change for them as they have cap space and some nice pieces to build around.
I guess you could argue that with the exception of Minnesota and Memphis, most US cities are more desirable to the American players because they are in the US. If the Raptors went out and posted back to back 50 + win seasons however, I bet that would change as well. Winning has a tendency to change people’s outlooks.
I think this is further evidence of the general lack of basketball knowledge of Toronto’s fans. I remember how people were so excited about seeing Reggie play when he came off injury and I was thinking to myself “It’s Reggie Freaking Evans, if the dude plays 15 minutes and doesn’t grab anyones testies, I will be happy”.
doesn’t grab anyones testies, I will be happy
And I’d be happier if he was (as long as they are not mine) because he’s being a pest and messing with their minds (amongst other things)
The REAL Brian Colangelo Press Conference
When it comes to hindsight, most people are geniuses. As for BC’s conference, I guess one could hope it went like this:
"Hi everyone. Thanks for coming. I’ll get right to the point. We all know the Raptors sucked this year, and that I’m to blame for most of this mess. All in all, one could say my 2009 summer moves were mostly useless, and that Hedo razzle dazzled me into a 5 year 10 million per contract. As for expectations, I might’ve hoped for 50 wins, but truth is, I really meant 50 wins. I just said it as such, so you Dk-Heads couldn’t use that against me – not that you haven’t tried.
As for Andrea, I thought he could get around the rebounding thing, but I was wrong. We’re thinking of having Bargnani wear an tasser-jock, that Jay will activate every time Andrea gets lazy and doesn’t try for the rebound. As for my other mistakes – Jose, Reggie, Banks, Demar starting, POB, Rasho, Jay, Ivaroni and a few others – I have one thing to say… I need more time. Which speaking of my contract, if I’m useless again this year, I promise to resign, or is that re-sign. All I ask for, is to give me one more year to pull some rabbits out my ass. Thank you, and God bless me.
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So Much Depends on Bosh
If he decides he wants to play in a specific city, then we have no leverage and can expect next to nothing in return. If on the other hand, he provides BC with a list of 5 or 6 cities that he would be willing to sign with, then we still have some leverage.
Question re sign and trades. Can a sign and trade player (Bosh) be traded to a team well under the cap for a free agent signee. So for example, someone like the Knicks could sign a player like Amare/Johnson/Boozer/etc and ship him back to us.
I am not sure that it would work unless it was their own FA. Think of it this way, if you are Amare, why would you agree to take less money and sign with NY outright and get shipped to Toronto when you can simply resign with Phoenix for more money and years and then get traded to Toronto? If Toronto got back Lee (also a FA) in the deal that would work.
To Bosh or Be Boshed
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Sarcasm aside, I didn’t really expect BC to lay out his next moves. Bringing this whole scenario back to war analogies, D-Day had all sorts of deceptions designed to mislead the Germans. We shouldn’t expect anything different with Colangelo, even if the consequences are miniscule in relation.
I think part of the reason Brian throws out subtle hints, is to attract questions, and of course, inquiries (about certain players). For those who think he’s painted himself into a corner, one has to remember last summer. For many – myself included – I was surprised by how the Raptor (management) team somehow found its’ way through all the complexities of the Cap (and Tax).
Suffice to say, the CBA is one of 3 important parts to a successful season. The others being … quality players, and a coaching staff that can bring them to the final games. Here’s my take on those 3:
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The CBA
This agreement can be so complex, that it will (at times) override rationale thinking – trading good players for monetary reasons. Never-the-less, it has a great deal of impact on roster make-ups. And an organization that knows its’ way around the CBA (and is creative), has one step up on the competition.
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The Coach
Jay was a rookie last year. For the most part, it was not a good time to assimilate 9 new players (hey .. nice Borg tie-in), and try to make it work with a ROOKIE coach. That being said, the season is over and we go on from here. I’d like a different type of coach, but since we’ve trained Jay on the job, I’m (somewhat) okay with going another round – less one “defensive guru”. That might be a mistake, but I doubt we’ll attract top quality prospects – especially if Bosh leaves.
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The Players
Like we all know, what happens next depends upon Bosh. I got the sense that BC would rather do a sign and trade – I just didn’t feel sincerity when it came to … "we’d like him back".
In fact, I’d rather BC "adjust" the team with that in mind. I think Jose or Jack moving along, will be one of those options. Getting a Big is another. But the biggest thing we need, falls into the 2 & 3 positions. As I’ve heard all year, this area of the Raptor team is the weakest – all the while, the REST OF THE LEAGUE features players who RULE the league (or at least us). The Wing positions are our most essential need, and if not addressed, we’ll continue to be abused by better teams.
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One last thing that I’ve mentioned before, involves the CBA & The Players. The Raptors need to go beyond the Luxury cap if they hope to progress to the next level. The top 4 teams in each Conference (8 in total), are amongst the TOP 9 spending teams in the NBA – New York being the exception. That says it all right there.
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franchise i love what you did
but when you talk about sonny weems cracking a spot on a good team made me think, " wasn’t it you just a few days ago who was blaming BC, saying how he almost released weems." i swear ive read something between those lines. but now it seems like you really dont give a hoot about weems.
so what do you think, is weems good enough?
I think what he was trying to say is that only a bad team or weak team (mediocre?) be desperate enough to give a D leaguer minutes off the bench or otherwise. If Weems was playing for a playoff contender, he probably would have rotted on the bench or been sent back to the d-league. I am not sure I agree with that assessment completely as he used Denver as an example (isn’t that where Joey Graham is getting minutes? Are you saying Graham is better than Weems and that Denver is a weaker evaluator of talent then Toronto is?) but typically strong teams do not dole out minutes to young players who come from the D league without them showing something first.
look im not trying to cover up BC
he failed. but so did everybody else. and for those who think he hyped the team up so much last year to win 50 games, why did u believe in him? why did you actually think this team is playoff bound? because the man who constructed said so? of course, he built the team, especially in the most important season to entice bosh to stay. just goes to show how much you guys actually trust him
But since BC is the one getting paid, you all think how dumb of a gm he is and will attack him while he’s down, knowing his team failed.
remember teams dont turn into champions in one season (ok except boston). its a process. last season needed change as our team sucked badly the season before. but now our team actually has talent. there might be some bad contracts but some will obviously be traded out. let the team grow. this team still has potential to be good, so dont think its all over. cause the team will be good next season. well at least better and make the playoofs. trust me. Im BC
DWADE
The heat are sorta going through what a lot of us were hoping wouldn’t happen to the raps get your ass kicked in the first round.did anyone see the game last night? If I’m a heat fan I’d be worried how you gonna get smoked when thw celts dint even have KG last night.wade last night was even saying ummm could thw rest of my teammates please give me some help..espn even said if the heat get swept wade is almost for sure gone..imagine d.wade in a raps uniform hmmm.
by sherwin316 on Apr 21, 2010 5:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
getting dwade
would be like winning lotto 649!
amazing prize, but extremely slim chance. i think he’d look at Chicago before anywhere else. and they actually have money
Not so sure Wade is going anywhere...
He’s probably going to be playing with either Amare, Boozer or Bosh next year, and plus… It’s freaking SOUTH BEACH!
Just for jokes: If I was an NBA player my number one choice (other than Toronto of course… ehem) would be Miami. No state tax, 25 to 30 degrees year round, the ocean at your door step, the list goes on…
The Heat beat writer, Ira Winderman, wrote that if the Heat could somehow give away Beasley and Cook for a future draft pick to a team with cap space (maybe Minnesota?), they’d be able to sign THREE max-level free agents. Scary…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 21, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes!
Considering that the Heat won 47 games this year, that scares me silly… Seriously how good is Wade?!?! He plays with a bunch of nobody’s and cast-offs and that team still wins 47 games!!! I still can’t fiure that out… I mean, they put up banners around here if the Raptors win 47 games! LOL
Here is why the Heat are so dumb. If they are now going to give Beasley away (and I know no one has said that is the plan) why didn’t they just trade him to Phoenix for Amare and they would probably stand a chance. Miami strikes me as a team that got extremely lucky in their championship year (Dallas choking etc) and now their management seems to have lost touch with reality. Beasley was on a suicide watch at one point last year, how can you not trade him for a bag of donuts let alone an All-Star player is beyond me.
The Heat are in a beautiful position right now, already a winning team with almost nothing, tons of cap space, and a TO 1st round pick pretty soon.
I just meant that they could have traded for Amare during the season for nothing more than Beasley and some cap space and Toronto’s pick. Wouldn’t they look really good right now with Oneal, Wade and Amare playing together? If the Heat end up getting knocked out in 4 games while teams like Chicago go 5 or 6 against a better team, don’t you think Wade will look at that and wonder if there really is any chance of the Heat winning again anytime soon?
ok here it is
who is worse hedo or beasly?
i would say hedo because he is old so
we can trade hedo to the heat for beasly and james jones
by raptors_run_the_show on Apr 25, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting in early...
I’ll just get my comments in early here. I missed out on some great talk last night – due to time difference I had to go to bed. Now that the season is finally over for the Raps, I won’t stay up until 3 am anymore to watch rap games on the internet.
Mas, after you mentioned it, I did remember our debate from last year. If you think deep fried mars bars are bad, at easter I had a deep fried cadbury’s easter cream egg – scottish healthy eating. The point of me backing Bargs, is that he is here on our team, no point in ripping him game after game. There is plenty of good and plenty of bad to see in his game, as yesterday’s debates showed. If Bargs is traded tomorrow, I will still follow him, but stop defending him. I am a Raps fan and I just try to see my team in the best light I can. I know they aren’t great, but they are our team.
Hating on our team, over and over just gets boring, especially if you can’t offer up any alternatives. I can see Bargs’ weaknesses and am curious if bringing in a back to the basket banger (either at center; thus moving bargs to the 4 or PF like Amir or better) would make a difference. That to me is more interesting discussion than harping on and on about a one off statement he made in his 3rd/4th language about being lazy (I am looking at you Howland-and you are my boy!).
That is also why all this fire BC talk is boring to me. He has credibility around the league, and has pull within MLSE. Is he the best GM in the league? Not this year, but he has been twice before. Whatsmore, not a single one of his detractors yesterday gave a suggestion for his replacement. When the rumor about BC being recruited by the Nets billionaire owner were going around, I thought I might be happy taking Rod Thorn back in return. But end of the day, BC is a well respected GM around the league.
From the presser, It sounds to me like our well respected GM is willing to let Bosh go if he can get something decent in return. I think what he is looking for is the aforementioned Bruiser in the post. There was a rumor earlier in the season, that he was holding out for Noah and not considering David Lee. I don’t know if he will have the leverage to get a player of Noah’s quality, but i like BC’s line of thinking. Bosh has done well with us, but he has brought us nowhere and does nothing to improve our other players.
Franchise, you said…
“I would never say Bosh is the toughest player but he’s He-Man compared to most of his teammates. Who replaces that? Or how about the free-throw attempts or rebounds?”
I don’t think Bosh is a He-Man compared to his team mates. When Shaq called him out last year, sending CB4 home for the summer to suddenly realise that he should lift a weight, I was embarrassed to be a Raps fan. Bosh does nothing to help his teammates stand a little taller – at all. For all of the anti Euro talk, I think Jose and Andrea have more edge to them than Bosh. He is a bit of a blackhole on offence, though his percentages are fine, it certainly doesn’t fit in with the ball sharing concept others on this team play. I am just starting to think that Bosh just doesn’t fit well with this team. Similar to when Vince left, he may be better suited to the second banana role, despite what he is saying (in his contract year). I think, and wonder if BC thinks, that a player with lesser talents might be better fits with this team. If we resign bosh – cool, he’s a 20-10 guy; but if he walks I am curious what we might get back and how it will effect the make up of the whole team.
Now I might have to hit the sack soon (12 30 am here), but look forward to reading in the morning.
Walker McKenna
by Robert Archibald on Apr 21, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions
LOL! Deep fried Cadbury's eggs!? Is there no end! Is nothing sacred!? : )
Sorry Robert, but I can’t buy into defending a player on my favorite team, just because he’s on my favorite team. What kind of fan would I be if I supported a player blindly that actually hampered the success of my favorite team?
Criticism is not “hating” but part of a healthy debate. As for alternatives, here’s one… I mentioned this earlier in the year that I would trade Bargani for Kendrick Perkins straight up. And I would probably do that deal today. Don’t think the salaries work (or that Boston would do it) but that’s the kind of deal I would love to see BC do. Instantly the team gets tougher, better defensively and better in the rebounding department.
I refuse to get into a “who’s tougher: Bargs, Jose or Bosh discussion”.. Just can’t have that discussion… Can’t do it… Feeling sleepy, head hursts…
Regarding this gem “I am just starting to think that Bosh just doesn’t fit well with this team”… I’ll counter that by saying you are absolutely right. Bosh just doesn’t fit with his teammates as most of them are below average NBA players. Next year’s Bosh-less, sub 30 win team is going to be a rude awakening for a lot of fans…
One more thing Robert: GO DUNDE UNITED!! LOL
Bosh doesn't fit well on this team
I want to address this comment Robert as it is something that hasn’t been discussed enough in my opinion. You are absolutely right, Bosh isn’t a great fit with some of the rest of his teammates on this team.
Chris Bosh may be a slender big man, but that does not make him effective in a run-n-gun style of play. He is far more effective in the half-court because of his ability to either blow by his man or knock down the jumper. In comparison, a guy like Andrea is much more effective in a running game because of his ability to get up and down the floor quickly (for a big man) and how he uses his skills in transition.
This has been a major, and in my opinion, under discussed problem with this team for quite some time. Are we a running team, or a half-court team? Bryan Colangelo has to look at the talent and decide what is the best route to go, then go about filling in with pieces that fit that style of play.
The truth is that while he continues to pay lip service to building around Bosh, I’d argue he hasn’t really done it, nor has he ever. The trade bringing in JO was the one attempt at it, but he still had Bargnani there and didn’t surrond Bosh with any other complimentary talent then bailed on it fairly quickly in exchange for a running player (Marion).
This ties into my feeling that Bosh and Bargnani cannot play together effectively. Bosh is best in the half-court and Bargnani is best in a running system, which means that one isn’t going to be in the best situation for them regardless.
That’s why I think BC would secretly prefer Bosh leave. He’d rather play a running game than a half-court style of offense. If Bosh were to re-sign, the logical move would be to deal Bargnani and surround Bosh with half-court players, something that BC has not shown a willingness to do. But if Bosh were to leave, there’s already many of the pieces in place to move to an effective running system.
Trade Bargs
Probably true about BC’s preferences, unfortunately. They should trade Bargs instead. Unlike some others, I don’t think his contract is all that bad for a centre. Versatile offensive centres are hard to come by, and their defensive liabilities will therefore get overlooked. I think he could be moved for the high-scoring guard that Bosh covets.
To me, not getting that guard is the most damning evidence against BC. For four years he’s had Chris Bosh, one of the best big men in the game today, a reliable 20-10 guy, and he hasn’t matched him with a high-scoring guard? That’s the basic formula for success in the NBA, yet BC is so obsessed with going “outside the box” that he hasn’t even come close to pulling it off (unless you count John Salmons).
I hear crickets
I hope I didn’t kill this thread with that long post – or did we just talk this to death yesterday?
Walker McKenna
by Robert Archibald on Apr 21, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions
NBA playoffs
is inferior to the tension of the NHL playoffs IMO. I agree with what Ray Allen had to say about the more recent NBA relative to the old NBA. It has gotten a lot softer, with the referees having a bigger influence on the outcome of the game than ever before. It’s just gotten too predictable.
I honestly would not be surprised if it’s a hyped-up Lakers-Cavs final, even though the Cavs lost last year to the Magic. I just am not expecting any upsets unlike in the NHL playoffs, where refs have a lesser influence on the game (I know some will say otherwise).
I haven’t watched any NBA playoffs games so far because I know they’ll be blowouts and I, for the most part, know who’s gonna win. Heck, I even predicted the Warriors beating the Mavericks in the 1st round a few years ago when they upset the Mavs. In the NHL, I have no idea who’s gonna win, and I like that.
No matter how bad the reffing is in a hockey game, the other team still has to score on the power play. Imagine if players were only allowed so many infractions per game and every time there was a penalty, the penalized team would have to give the other team a free shot from the blue line on an empty net? This one of the reasons that it is so important for for Stern to crack down on the officiating in Basketball because of the inherent danger of having incompetent or crooked people running games that one decision can have such a huge impact on a game.
Good questions.
I find this concerning: “I think we spoiled you guys a little early here, went from 27 wins to 47, won a division, got into the playoffs two years in a row, and everything seemed to be coasting in the right direction.”
I never expected that (because I never thought the team was 47 wins good), and was actually bummed out about making the playoffs. We lost our first round pick (Lamond Murray trade) that year and have never been able to supplement our roster with young talent since. Mostly because BC keeps trading away what first round picks we do have.
I want my Roy Hibbert back!!!!!!! 2 first rounders to get rid of TJ, wtf.
omg roy hibbert is exactly the type of player we need a good rebounder and defender
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