Tip-In: Toronto Raptors' Post-Game Report - Bring on the NBA Draft
The HQ got their wish. The Toronto Raptors ended their season with a win last night over the New York Knicks, but the Chicago Bulls grabbed the final playoff spot in the East by thrashing the Charlotte Bobcats. As a result, it's back to the NBA Draft Lottery for the Dinos, a place the HQ argues Toronto is best suited for, rather than being led to slaughter at the hands of the Cavs.
Is this the most disappointing season in the history of the Toronto Raptors franchise?
As the clock wound down on the 2009-10 NBA regular season last night, this question bounced through my head.
Sure there are seasons with worse records, seasons with failed expectations, and of course, the Kevin O'Neill era. But can any others top this one in terms of its roller-coaster ride; one that started with an eye on not only a return to the playoffs, but also possibly a spot in the Eastern Conference semi-finals and finished with a complete miss of the dance?
I'm not sure.
But what I do know is that this morning, a large portion of Raptors' fans woke up feeling duped.
And they should.
Let's travel back some six months or so to Media Day 2009, the official kick-off to the 2009-10 season for the Dinos. At that event, Bryan Colangelo stated:
"I feel better about this training camp and the start and the preparation that's gone on then I have in a long time, and I've been doing this for 14 previous seasons."
He also threw around 50 wins as a target, assuming that to secure a 4th or 5th seed in the East, and helping to ensure a second-round playoff spot, the Raps would need to hit that number.
Obviously that didn't happen.
Instead, a win over the beleaguered New York Knicks last night left this current incarnation of the Toronto Raptors with 40 wins, a mere seven win improvement over last year's fiasco; and that's with a bazillion dollars thrown around to key pieces like Andrea Bargnani and Hedo Turkoglu, a much upgraded bench...oh, and a career year from Chris Bosh.
The team simply didn't get the job done when it counted and playoff miss aside, you can look at various other individual gaffes during the season for further proof of this club's mediocrity; an unnecessary OT loss to Memphis here and a needless give-away to the Indiana Pacers there.
In fact, if you hadn't seen this team all season, you could have only tuned into last night's game and you would have gotten a pretty good idea of the 2009-10 Toronto Raptors:
-Lots of offence
-No defence
-Not much hustle
-And a lot of jump shots
The Raptors draped 131 points on the New York Knicks, one of their best offensive stands of the season, winning by nearly 20 points, however still allowed 113 themselves. This "hopefully we make more than we give up" methodology just didn't win enough games on the season and now fans are not only left facing another playoff-less spring, but also the very real prospect of franchise cornerstone Chris Bosh taking his exceptional services elsewhere.
And that really hurts.
If there was one thing Bryan Colangelo was mandated to do when he arrived in Toronto, it was not only to provide a winning product on the court, but to build a solid squad around Bosh for years to come.
Now, despite Sonny Weems' post-game thoughts that Bosh will return, that's looking very uncertain.
For the past two weeks I've argued that missing the playoffs is probably the best option for the Raptors long-term. If Bosh walks, again, looking more likely now, this team desperately needs upgrades at various positions and thanks to the contracts of Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani, the Raptors don't have much money to use to get anyone of substance.
Therefore the draft becomes very important as a cheap source of talent.
Thanks to the playoff miss, the Dinos will now retain the lottery protected pick they owe the Miami Heat from the Shawn Marion trade. Yes, because they keep this pick now, they will lose their second-round selection to the Heat, but Toronto is still owed a second-rounder from the LA Clippers thanks to the Hassan Adams deal and therefore potentially could still grab two players in what looks to be a solid draft. With the uncertainty of the CBA hanging over the draft process, it seems like everyone and their dog is declaring, which probably means some players who would have been sure-fire first-rounders next year, will be up for grabs in the second half of the draft this year.
The other advantage of retaining a first-round selection is that even if Bryan Colangelo elects not to use the pick, he might be able to use it to "grease the skids" so to speak of a deal that gets rid of one of Toronto's more onerous contracts. Speaking to some of the other members of the media last night post-game, many mentioned that they felt Jose Calderon would be on the block if BC could find a taker. Maybe a first-round pick helps this process along.
In any event, this should be a very interesting off-season now.
Outside of Chris Bosh's decision regarding re-signing with Toronto, there are lots of other questions now hanging around this team; from Jay Triano's future to the future of players like Sonny Weems and Amir Johnson, two extremely bright spots in a season of cloudy skies. Bryan Colangelo has to do his all to keep these guys, while somehow keeping finances under control. It's a tough challenge and one we'll be examining in more detail in the coming days.
In the meatime, I suggest everyone starts checking out sites like Draftexpress.com to familiarize themselves with various prospects. I'll be throwing names like Ebanks, Pondexter, Crawford and Udoh around over the next month or so as suddenly, a draft that no one, myself included, thought would matter much to the Toronto Raptors, matters a great deal.
The unfortunate part is that the draft now comes at the expense of what should have been a playoff berth, and while I was a backer of the lottery versus a first-round date with the Cavs, talking to various Raptors pre and post-game, it was tough not to want to see this team sneak in, whether they technically deserved it or not.
Sonny Weems noted how much it would have meant to him, especially now as a starter, and how much it meant to various other players on this club, namely guys like Jarrett Jack and DeMar DeRozan. (This just cemented my belief that there aren't enough Sonny's and Jarrett's on this team, and too many Hedo's, who mysteriously vanished post-game before any of us had a chance to speak with him.) Others like Amir Johnson and Marco Belinelli discussed their past playoff experiences, even in limited roles, and how great of an atmosphere the playoffs are.
So now what?
Well, for many players like DeMar DeRozan, who you can hear myself, and then the rest of the media, speak to by clicking on the link below, it's time to head home and rest up in preparation for the summer work ahead.
DeRozan Last Game of 09-10 Season
For coaches and management, it's time to figure out what exactly went wrong.
We won't be stopping by to hear Triano and several players speak to the media this morning, however next Monday, when Bryan Colangelo is rumoured to be holding court, we'll be there with bells on.
Someone needs to explain to fans how last off-season was such a miss from a personnel standpoint, and how this team failed on perhaps its biggest mandate, retaining Chris Bosh.
Perhaps CB4 sticks around.
Perhaps Colangelo can put his Legomaster cap back on and shuffle the deck once more.
However I'm not so optimistic, and we may very well be bracing ourselves for something the Globe and Mail's Michael Grange dubbed post-game, "a state of Indiana-ness," when we discussed this team's future.
That is to say, not Nets-level haplessness, but nothing resembling a playoff birth, even in the East, for quite some time.
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the raps don’t even have a pick this year. they traded it to miami in the JO trade.i know BC can acquire a pick through trading but there’s really not much to look forward to in this year’s draft. the raps are more likely doing a sign-and-trade than acquiring draft picks.
Yep
Lottery protected. They keep the first-rounder and lose the second-rounder as a trade-off.
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by Adam Francis on Apr 15, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, wasn’t the 2nd rounder given to Toronto by the Clippers was so complicatedly contingent on a number of things as to be virtually impossible for Toronto to collect so I wouldn’t count on that pick unless something changed that I do not know about.
Need to sacrifice a cow under a blue moon with Haley’s comet passing by Jupiter.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 15, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, the last thing this team needs is to trade away more draft picks. I don’t like the Calderon deal, but this team really needs that first round pick. I want to see a proper rebuild go on.
I disagree. For the next 3 years, the team has approximately 30 million/year tied up in Calderon, Turkoglu, and Bargnani. You wanna add Bosh to that, then it makes that number 50 million. That is ridiculous. I think you have to deal Calderon. He still has some value in this league on a team that can shield him defensively (Lakers?).You might not even need a pick, who knows? Bottom line is, do whatever it takes to reduce the financial burden of these horrible contracts.
As long as a first round pick isn’t involved, I’ll be fine with it. Otherwise, I think it will just create bigger problems for the team in the long run.
As for Bosh, I highly doubt he resigns. The Raptors don’t really have the cap space to sign him for likely what he wants, somewhere near a max contract. Also, with the questions that currently surround this team, would he really want to return?
Colangelo moves
Sign&Trade Bosh for 2 starter-calibre players and a first round pick. Since Mr. Texas / Georgia Tech proabably wants to be in a bigger market or back home, I’d assume the options would be:
- New York (doesn’t have a pick, but Bosh may simply choose them)
- Lakers (already have Gasol)
- Chicago (a few options there)
- Atlanta (a few options there)
- Houston/Dallas/San Antonio (only Houston needs a PF)
So, I think Houston, Chicago, Atlanta are the targets:
Houston:
- Sign & Trade Bosh for Scola / Battier / #1 pick? (Scola is a FA, but maybe this could work)
Chicago:
- Sign & Trade Bosh for Hinrich / Deng / #1 pick? (I don’t like Deng all that much, but I don’t see Chicago trading Noah or Rose)
Atlanta:
- Sign & Trade Bosh for Joe Johnson (S&T)?
Not sure..
why these would happen.
Houston has already said they are committed to Scola. New York and Chicago could sign Bosh outright with the space they have and will give little back in return.
Lakers? Doubtful if they win another ring.
Atlanta? They will need someone to replace Joe Johnson. Bosh doesn’t fit that bill and all indications are JJ wants NYC.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Apr 15, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Chicago might send some contracts back but don’t count on a #1 pick. Have you not payed attention that last few years on the worth a star player in sign & trades. You will be luck y if we get Hinrich or Deng let alone both. Remember Chicago has the cap space to simply take Bosh and trade a 2nd rounder back it’s not like they have to ship salary out to make the trade work.
Rules though, mean that you need salary to ballast the trade back. The salaries have to be within a certain percentage of each other (I think it was 10% difference)
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 15, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I could be wrong, but my understanding was that if the team could fit the contract under the cap, salary does not have to be matched. The 10% thing is for situations where the cap comes into play. So (and I have no idea if this is true), if Chicago could fit Bosh’s contract under the cap figure (not the lux. tax figure), then theorhetically, they could send a second rounder back.
With that said, why would Colangelo agree to sign Bosh and send him to Chicago for only a second rounder?
You’re interpretation is correct sir. That is how the Clippers got Camby for nothing as LA had enough room under the cap to take on Camby’s salary. The 10% rule is for teams that are over the cap or the trade would put them over the cap (I believe it gets complicated if a team is under the cap but the trade puts them over the cap).
Good Grief
I feel like Charlie Brown and the Raptors are Lucy pulling the ball away.
by Tinmann on Apr 15, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
Great comment.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Apr 15, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Pick from the Clippers
According to Draftnet, the pick from the Clippers in the Hassan Adams deal is a 2015 conditional pick so no help this year. Sigh.
I’ve seen elsewhere that it’s available up until 2015 – not sure which is the truth though.
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by Adam Francis on Apr 15, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Question re. Cap
Is there not a cap hold for draft picks? If so, then is it not more likely that teams who are under the cap and looking for as big a splash as possible in free agency will be more willing to trade their pick for cash or future picks?
Nah…. the hold is pretty small, and when they sign their big signings, they will need inexpensive players on the roster.
by dhackett1565 on Apr 15, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Question
What if the Bulls upset the Cavs?
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Apr 15, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
That would be funny
Considering the Cavs sat out Lebron in the Bulls game that could have knocked them out.
I watched both the Raptors and the Bulls games last night
and I was howling at the Bulls announcers who actually think the Bulls match up well against the Cavs and could stand a very real chance of pulling off the upset. Nevermind what happened in the first round last season, this is the Cavs we are talking about not an aging bunch of former all-stars. I may be a little bitter, but I am looking forward to the Bulls getting absolutely throttled by the Cavs.
I think the Bulls will win a game or two actually, but I would be floored if they pulled off the upset. That would go down in history.
And along the same line of thought, I couldn’t see Toronto winning even a game against Cleveland.
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by Adam Francis on Apr 15, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe that’s referred to as ‘karma’
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 15, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bosh Experiment
A change will be good for Bosh. He has worked hard and has become a very good player. From Toronto’s perspective change will also be good because they could never develop a winner with Bosh as the center piece. There have been a lot of good players come and go but they could not make it happen with Bosh. Time for that experiment to end.
I have confidence that Colangelo will make the most of the situation he is left with – post Bosh.
Where is this sense of confidence from?
His previous brilliance in making deals? Maybe he can S&T Bosh for Rasheed Wallace and Garnett this time around…
Zing
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by Adam Francis on Apr 15, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
@Franchise
I disagree with the comment that the raptors players feel rightfully duped. This club has put out lackluster effort after lackluster effort. I don’t think BC’s original projections were that far off. They may have been a little high but let’s be realistic, even though we overpaid for Hedo, he should have played better. Jose should have played better. BC can’t predict the effort of the players. They beat some solid teams (LA, San Antonio, Dallas, Clevland, almost Phenoix) this year and managed to lose important games to crappy teams. Thinking back on all the bad losses, many people said that they hope this loss doesn’t come back to bite them later. Guess what, each and every loss did because they missed the playoffs by one game.
Commendations however to this site as you guys do an awesome job. Keep it up
Yes
The fans should feel duped. Players – totally agree, they are 80% of this mess in my books – and in some ways, that 80% is actually BC because he brought most of these guys in.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Apr 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
and BC allowed poor coaching
to prolong all year. The Raps needed their asses handed to them by their leader. When you don’t have a player willing to do it, it has to be the damn coach.
I've got lots of questions for BC ready
Someone’s gotta explain why it took all season to fix the starting line-up…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Apr 15, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Firstly: Why did “Money” Weems spend so long on the bench? Why was Bargs allowed to play so soft and perimeter oriented instead of getting him the ball in the post? Can we please have a coach with some balls who will slap Turk around?
by RaptorsAddict on Apr 15, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
I think you can predict some effort from these guys. You know the young guys may be inconsistent, you know that Hedo has had tons of issues in Orlando and previously in San Antonio (as Grange has reported) and you know that Jack and Johnson are absolute work horses.
And you know Bosh, Calderon, and Bargnani.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 15, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t BC’s job to evaluate talent and have knowledge about players skill sets and ceilings and how they will mesh with his team? I mean isn’t that what a GM gets paid to do? Isn’t that the reason that Babcock go fired so BC could come in and bring his excellent player evaluation to the Raptors? If he claims he didn’t know that Turkoglu shouldn’t be coddled or that Bargnani would be vastly overpaid at $10 mil per season?
Another point on the Bargnani fiasco. I know a few people believe that when he hits his ceiling he will be a bargain but think about this realistically. Based on his season this year (when he would become a FA) does he deserve $10 million per? If you agree that he doesn’t and that no one in the NBA would pay him that, isn’t it a further indictment of BC’s mismanagement of this team?
BC
he values talent not hard work so it his fault.
by raptors_run_the_show on Apr 15, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
oops my bad, you are right
I still feel more duped by the players rather than BC. I don’t think anyone on the team projected that they wouldn’t make the playoffs.
Draft Pick
I thought that this year’s pick was lottery protected as part of the Miami deal, and if not sent to Miami this year, it is rolled over in the future and lottery protection ends at some point. So for example, if we made the playoffs next year, we would owe Miami a pick. Is this not the correct understanding? If so, when does lottery protection end?
Having a pick lottery protected, and substituted for a 2nd round pick if they missed the playoffs doesn’t make sense to me.
I believe it ends in 2014
and I think the 2nd round pick going to them is only for this year. I could be wrong but yea
No that's right
BC backed himself into a penalty situation.
Make the playoffs and lose the lottery pick.
Miss the playoffs and you keep the lottery pick…but only for now and you have to give up your second-rounder this year.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Apr 15, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The good news is this franchise has never drafted a 2nd rounder who stayed in the NBA for long so more than likely BC would have drafted a New Zealander with heart palpatations and signed them to a 2 year contract without checking them out first, or maybe he would have drafted an 6’5 PF? Who knows what magic could have happened.
On that note, If we had just stuck it out with JO for another year, all of this BS could’ve been avoided. We didn’t make the playoffs anyway, except now we stand to lose 2 picks (2nd round this year and 1st round in the future) and we used to cap space to sign Turkoglu who has been a huge waste. We could’ve been one of the teams threatening to grab a prime FA this offseason.
Even though I really like picking up Marion, I thought that the JO deal was a no-no (in terms of value and exchange) – and I was reading Karl Marx – Das Capital Volume 1 at the time….lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital,_Volume_I#Chapter_1:_The_Commodity
The Marion deal was a good one IF they threw a few more bucks at him in the offseason. Think more than he received in free agency, but less than Hedo’s atrocious deal.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 15, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
RE: DRAFT
WING PLAYERS
Jenge likes Paul George (Fresno State); and Stanley Robinson (UCONN)
Paul George has put on some good weight, and Robinson seems a bit risky at 12-14… but I thought I would throw this out there.
Could be interesting to add a Paul George to the stable with DeMarr, Sonny, Bellinelli and Amir.
How does that song go… I like to move it, move it;…. I like to…move it!. I think this would certainly add an infantry like dimension to the team.
I also put links in if you click on their names
This Sucks
winning brings more revenue. Losing brings less revenue…I can’t believe this GM (BC) actually thought Hedo, Andrea, Calderon would be perfect for thsi franchise with new contracts not realizing big contracts should be reserved for players who have dreamt about holding the Larry O’brien Trophy from there kids, men who used to fall asleep with a basketball when they were kids, Men not Boys, Players that used to take off there jacket to play ball outside in the winter when they were kids… not players that never loved basketball as there first love growing up as kids(Calderon), not players that never competed against real basketball players until they came into the league (Bargnani), not players who were offered alot less money and years from the team where he made his name as go to player of sorts(Hedo) …LOL and….ya’ll get the picture, I’m talking about players that nothing more then competing for the win at all and any cost… this is world where winning doesn’t get questioned just accredited(unless we’re talking about MLB or Olympics)… THIS SUCKS ! there’s my only rant !!!!!!!! The GM actually got what he deserved becasue of a lack of forsight and a eye for actual winning talent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by raptor fan 4 life on Apr 15, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
What teams might want Calderon???
Believe it or not – a ton of teams still need a PG:
Miami
Lakers
Knicks
Charlotte (if they can’t re-sign Felton)
Grizzlies (if they don’t believe Conley is a starter)
Nets (if they trade Harris)
Sixers (depending on how much they believe in Jrue Holiday)
Sacramento — if Tyreke Evans ends up as the SG, and Udrih hits the bench
Too bad almost every team with needs has loaded up on expiring contracts, so there are no players on anyone’s roster that can actually be traded w/o sign&trade.
I agree that the Lakers could really use Calderon, but I dont seem them giving us much back. Maybe someone like Vujacic…which is not all that interesting.
Actually Lakers don’t need a PG unless Jackson retires and they dump the Triangle. The Triangle doesn’t require a good PG to run well. Look at how well they have done the last few seasons with Derrick Fisher and Farmar running the show.
Knicks have Toney Douglas who has looked pretty good.
Sixers – I would say that Jrue is the starter going forward.
Don't forget Gasol
I"m sure he wouldn’t mind having a Spanish buddy on the team.
The Lakers may try to dump Bynum’s contract at some point… $12M+ per year for the most injury prone young center besides Oden.
OKC
Just a thought..isn’t OKC an ideal landing spot for Bosh…close enough to his home state of Texas but not having to face the pressures of playing at home, an up and coming team with solid prime pieces, who could show themselves to be perennial contenders for years to come and Bosh is still young enough to grow with that team through it’s prime. He would be the toast of the town and wouldn’t have to carry a team with Durant there, and would more likely be considered 1A beside Durant instead of the number 2, as he would in Miami or with LeBron.
Because of their cap situation, it would also be a decent sign and trade where the Raps wouldn’t have to take back bad contracts, they have picks to spare, and a player at Bosh’s stage of career could really accelerate their ascension in the Western ranks (where the likes of Dallas and SA will probably regress in coming years).
OKC vs. Lakers games would get plenty of air time in the coming years, giving Bosh the exposure he wants even though not in a major market.
Hmmm
Yes but...
He won’t be the number one son of that franchise. I would also say that staying close to his daughter on the East Coast may be more important for him than being close to Texas.
Whatever the case, this whole situation will not be resolved quickly. Chris has said it for months. He’s indicated as much at this press conference this afternoon. Engineering a deal that moves Bosh may not be the easiest thing to do, but he’s said that he will be needing max money, and has indicated that he will be working with Colangelo to do so.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 15, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I will open up the criticism
by saying that I don’t think Bosh is a Max guy. He is a great player, but for some reason I would not make him my guy if I was a GM. Could be why I am not a GM, but I am sticking to it!
Im with you on this
My biggest fear right now is that Colangelo throws the max at CB, he takes it, we make very minimal other changes this offseason cause we already got “our guy” back and at the start of the season CB turns back into full blown 2006 version of CB packed full of settling for bad jump shots and making poor decisions on both ends of the court. Having said that I am all for giving him the max money if he performs like he did for the majority of this past season pre all star break/injury…because he was a beast during that time. But I beleive that it is just as likely that we will get that version of him, as oppposed to the “never drive to the hole, settle for jump shots” Chris Bosh.
OKC would be the wisest choice for Bosh.
If I was him I would sign for a ‘paltry’ $10 mil for 1year with an option on the 2nd with the Thunder. Thats just how I would do it.
Whats more important to you? Max Money, Profit, Status, Ego, or being part of something special? Bosh is holding his cards close to his chest while trying to get the best monetary and re-location scenario … we will see his true colors come july, in terms of how he ranks his priorities…
I think it will be intriguing once its all said and done … and I doubt that whatever he choses, that I will think anything less of him…
BC
the question that keeps on popping up in my head is should he be allowed to have one more throw at the dice do we as raptors fans trust him enough i surely dont because in all these years I have come to one point BC values talent not hard work which basically describes most European players except a few i would like to see Calderon go to the magic maybe we could get someone good back
by raptors_run_the_show on Apr 15, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions
im not as pessimistic as most of you
i feel like the future of this team aint all that bad as you all say it is. im so-so on bosh right now so if he leaves , good, but if he stays then i say, good job. reality is hedo sucks. trade hedo, trade calderon (even though i he’s my favourite player) and trade bosh if he so desperately wants to leave. now im not saying its easy to trade them all, but they all do have skills. they just dont work well together on this team created with no defense and all offense that is through bosh, and bosh only. so dont think we wont get anything in return for these players just cause they failed to get this team in the playoffs and are overpaid. hedo is my main target that ive always disliked on our team from the beginning and i really hope a team out there is willing to take his salary and skil that will complement their teams style of play.
we got BC and he’s the best at working magic. we were all suprised that hedo came here, but that certaintly got you all excited. even though it failed.
now only there was a way we can convinve BC to trade bargnani. hmmm…
Weird...
Now that the dust has settled on the season, I’m strangely intrigued by what the post-bosh era will look like. Maybe Triano will benefit from a summer of watching video and maybe bargs will get his motor running now that he’s the man. Maybe
Bosh to Chicago, baby bring it on!!!!! We got the cap space and can sign him straight up…We don’t have a chance agaisnt the caves, but we’re in the ’PLAYOFFS"… our future is bright….The city will be burning!! “BURN BABY BURN”
by Vinny Del Negro on Apr 15, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
Bosh Stays
I’m going to go balls out and say Bosh resigns. I really don’t see better options for him out there. I think Chicago is going to go hard after Wade. I think Lebron will stay. NYK are a garbage team and unless they can get Wade or Lebron, don’t think Bosh would go there.
I think Calderon, Evans are not on the Raptors next year.
And I’m going to throw this trade scenario out there that my friend threw to me.
Calderon, Derozan and our First round pick to DET for Prince and their Second Rounder.
by WinnipegRaptorFan on Apr 15, 2010 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
So if Bosh Resigns
Our starting 5 would be, Andrea, Bosh, Prince, Weems, Jack (all of a sudden thats a good defensive unit if you can hide Andrea) and you still have Turk coming off the bench who could be in a Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry roll. BC will have to be creative to fill out the rest of the bench but i think he has the MLE and bird rights on Amir Johnson. Ideally we could keep Derozan too.
If we could move Reggie Evans for a back up PG that would be best. Unfortunately the only one that really is available is TJ FORD LOL.
by WinnipegRaptorFan on Apr 15, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Pistons wouldn't make this trade
They already have a starting PG in Stuckey, and they need to keep some defense on the team to backup Charlie V and Ben Gordon, who are average defenders at best.
Calderon
I know I have no problem with a Jack\Banks PG combo, it can’t be worse than this season, and Banks has shown he at least wants to play.





























