Tip-In: Toronto Raptors' Post Game Report - Mediocrity
One day after their season let-down the Raptors trotted over to Detroit to completely trounce the Pistons 111-97. While the ball is now in Chicago's court as they play the Celtics, Raptors HQ wonders where even an iota of this effort was a game ago.
Where were these guys a game ago?
Does it make you happy to know that the Toronto Raptors came out and spanked the Detroit Pistons all over the Palace in Auburn Hills?
How does it make Chris Bosh feel to know that his team wilted under the pressure of their biggest game of the year, only to come back and post monster numbers against the Pistons?
I'm sure many fans are unsure what to make of this game. You could argue that when the Raptors came out flat the other day against the Bulls, they were simply ill prepared and played a team which was rounding into playoff form. You may even argue that the Raptors came back and did what they had to do to put all the pressure back on the Bulls and are still seriously trying to make the playoffs.
Fact is, this team had their own destiny in the palm of their own hands and instead gave it up to the team that was chasing them. Instead of seizing the moment when they had the chance, they will now rely on lucking out to make the playoffs. And the scary thing is, the Raptors just might make it despite squandering all their earlier chances to put things away.
It's frustrating knowing that Andrea Bargnani essentially lived in the post for the entire first half and made life a living hell for the Pistons. While he once again disappeared from the post in the second half, one half of post-work is better than what he showed against Chicago. If you're a fan of Bargs, I'm sure you can be satisfied that he had one of his best shooting nights in recent history. He was at least an active interior presence for half of one game, but this is something that we should have been seeing much more frequently by now.
But maybe you're satisfied with the effective performance by Jose Manuel Calderon when he managed to dish off 11 assists and minimize his own damage on the defensive end by playing within himself. By attacking the paint and prodding the Detroit defense, Calderon managed to create seams and gaps for himself to distribute the ball so that shooters would have an open look at the rim.
Perhaps you were content with the controlled effort that Sonny Weems gave the team last night. He gave the team the most amount of minutes out of any player, and yet took less than 1/3 the shot attempts compared to a game ago. And while Weems seemed to roll his ankle in the final minutes (why he was on the floor at all is up for debate), Sonny's early-morning tweets seem to indicate he's ok, and that nothing will keep him from playing in "the biggest game of his career Wednesday."
The Raptors even got a career game out of Amir Johnson. As he slashed towards the middle for a series of slams and layups towards his career-best 26 points, Johnson also stretched out his game to do his best Chris Bosh impression by nailing a few outside shots.
But here's the rub: I'm not happy and here's why
If you're a guy who's rooting for the Raptors to make the playoffs, you should be pretty angry that the Raptors didn't put out a similar effort against the Bulls to seal up their playoff hopes. You should be absolutely livid that they dropped an egg of a game at home and then went on to show that needed effort against one of the worst teams in the East. You should be angry because this is not how a team shows that they are ready for the playoffs and are simply showing a half-baked effort to enter the post-season. With this kind of effort over the last two games, how does anyone expect the Raptors to remain competitive with the Cavs in a seven game series?
If you're a guy who's rooting for the Raptors to get a higher lottery pick, winning this game didn't help your chances. Toronto is now only a mere half game back of the Bulls with the tiebreaker still in their hands, they can easily catch the Bulls if Chicago even marginally falters. With the Bulls still having to play the Celtics and Bobcats, Toronto somehow is still in a pretty good position to grab that eighth and final seed in the East, thus pushing them out of the lottery.
However, what's most maddening to myself is just how half-baked this team is from top to bottom. The Raptors currently are the very definition of "middle-of-the-road", as they are not bad enough to draft high and get a great pick, but likewise are not good enough to even put up a token fight against a team that they're fighting against to get into the playoffs. And while the Dinos may be without the services of Chris Bosh, they should be a team that has more than enough talent to secure an eighth seed considering that they were originally aiming for 50 wins and a top five spot in the conference. Good teams find a way to overcome adversity (see Milwaukee) and come together even without their star player.
Unfortunately, all that we're stuck with is not even good, not even horrible.
Just mediocre.
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Hmmm
The last segment of the re-cap seemed to weaken the rest of the argument. So, if they do secure the 8th seed are you okay with that or not? Make the playoffs, play the games, see what happens, or don’t make the playoffs, wish for some luck, and draft well regardless.
Couple of things people sometimes overlook when it comes to the Raptors situation — they haven’t found a way to properly integrate their major free agent acquisition so, even if they had been bad enough last year to draft Evans or Curry, given the hierarchy that was already in place, their rookie performances in a Raptors system may have been only slightly better than what DeMar has given the team.
Milwaukee is a team that has overachieved this year. They do not have the talent to be an upper echelon team for years to come and in some respects may have benefited from missing the playoffs more so than the Raptors. Think Raptors 47 win season, what likely follows is regression.
I think what should be taken from the game, regardless of the final place in the standings is that the elements of a decent team might exists even without Bosh next year, so the impetus will be to parlay assets smartly to build a more complementary unit. The Bargnani / Johnson combo has pretty much worked ALL YEAR on BOTH ends of the court, so instead of looking for that big free agent splash that most teams will be looking for, or tying up money in that one iffy piece, take the opportunity to step back, re-evaluate, and re-jig the assets so that the team can be a serious contender for years.
Build smart, not for flash, but for substance so that these late season laments are not necessary.
Really, you took the Raptors kicking the butt of one of the worse teams in the league as an indication that things might be okay next year?
Toronto has become the capital of mediocre. The three major sports franchise all seem to believe it is okay to roll out bland and call it spicy. The Blue Jays at least have the excuse of being in an impossible situation competitively. Neither the Raptors nor the Leafs have an excuse. In fact the Leafs should be Cup champions every year with the money that franchise makes. The truth is, dynasties are built on good luck. SA got really lucky with Duncan (ask Boston how tanking worked out). Cleveland sucked out massively to get Lebron (with a little help from Toronto, thank you Lamond Murray trade, all those wonderful memories). A team has to get lucky to get a franchise player that really is a franchise player and baring that luck you need good planning, something I have yet to see from the Raps. They are owned by the same people who could have blew the team up after the lockout but instead they roll out the same BS about them being a contender every year and they just miss the playoffs making them too good for a good pick too bad for anything else.
Huh?
I said the elements of a good team exist, whether that turns into outright optimism depends on what choices are made going forward. Dynasties also require good head coaches and that doesn’t exist with this team at the moment. You often play Feschuk to my Smith, but I think you misinterpreted my statement. The team doesn’t have a lot of money going into next year, so, given that they are not going to be major players in the free agent market, why not look to re-up and develop cost effective assets that you know (and like) like Amir, not looking to replace Bosh but to complement Bargnani (who will be here for a while) with a player that allows him to flourish.The aim would be an Orlando type ascension, where they go from being about average/less than average middle of the road team under Brian Hill to a perennial contender under Stan Van Gundy. If MLSE is willing to pay a good coach, the money spent on players will be put to wiser use.
by HQ Interloper on Apr 13, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem with that is that Orlando won the lottery and drafted Dwight Howard. It helps when you have a 1st overall pick worthy of the spot. You can bring in Phil Jackson and it wouldn’t make enough of a difference to make it worth while. The Raptors may have seeded better but they still are unlikely to go very far with the roster they currently have.
What my opinion is...
doesn’t matter, to be frank. The rest of the HQ staff have their ideas in place, and I’m strongly for not making the playoffs. However, none of this matters. What matters is that the Raptors themselves have a clear direction. What the Raptors and their player’s opinions are however, are just downright all over the place. Instead, we have this wishy-washy lose the game that will determine your destiny by A LOT, only to leave things in the hands of fate situation that we’re in now. How is any of this good?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 13, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Blah Blah Blah Blah
Unlike the OP I am not too disappointed with the Chicago loss. When put into perspective, its not totally unreasonable for a “YOUNG” team to feel pressure and even wilt under it. 3 of the starters are 24 years or younger.
Let’s not go around and pretend that this is a team of veterans, they aren’t, they are a young team and one has to expect that pressure will get to them.
Go Raps!
I’ll acknowledge that parts of this team are very young, but a guy like Turkoglu, a guy like Wright, and a guy like Evans were supposed to give us some more veteran leadership. We can’t simply keep giving that same excuse we did last year when we did. Every year, Bosh, Bargnani, and Calderon get older, but they’re still “young” to Devlin and Armstrong. At some point, these guys have to overcome pressure, and if they can’t do it against Chicago to get into the playoffs, what makes anyone think they can compete with the Cavs?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 13, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
To Pat Myself on the back I told everybody in December to look out for the Bulls Last night sure hurt I am Raps fan Who grew up in Windsor, look how far My Pistons fell so sad!
That Pistons team has to be up there with Philly in terms of “teams that have the bleakest current futures.”
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Apr 13, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't feel too badly about the Bulls game
Just because the Bulls team is much better than the Raps team minus Bosh, and it showed. The Pistons may be better than the Raps (minus Bosh), but not by such a margin, and the Pistons are preparing for the offseason and the Bulls are not yet. I think the key difference is the Bulls have Noah and Rose. Noah is an active big guy that will disrupt Bargs inside and out, and Rose is the PG that the Raps fear, a penetrating nightmare that Jack and Calderon can’t hope to contain and no defense at the rim to dissuade him from going there.
The Pistons
were on a winning streak when the Raptors came in and slapped the taste out of their mouth. Against the Bulls, they didn’t even put up token resistance. I agree that Noah and Rose are great and are essential to the Bulls, but I also think that Jack and Calderon have had the better of Rose in their other meetings this year.
But the Raptors weren’t even close to beating the Bulls. Not even a little bit.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 13, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Re the Bulls and the Pistons
What is the difference between shooting 36% vs the Bulls before garbage time and 60% vs the Pistons, only 23 points and a loss to a win.
This Raptors team is playing with out their franchise, all-star, leading scorer player that is the main focus of their offense. Take Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Howard, Nowitzki, away from their teams for expanded times and what would you expect to happen ?? They must re do their offensive philosophy and put new players in unfamiliar roles, and have them perform.
Everyone is ignoring that the team was 31-24 after a slow start and a 24-11 stretch, before Bosh’s 1st injury and then struggled when he got back and into game shape again to go on a 6-4 run before his second injury and then 0-5.
All this with their prize FA Turk struggling to fit in, and score. There is talent on this team, but also very inconsistent, and when struggling on offense, also struggling on defense.
They are lacking LEADERSHIP, even with Bosh, he is not a strong enough leader, especially as he is not commited to the Raptors as yet. How can you lead if you are not commited to the team accept by example??? That is not good enough, a leader must be able to take everyone to task ala KG, and demand effort.
This is the riddle for Colangelo to solve. What happend to turn a 31-24 W/L team that was rolling into a 39-42 losing team on a 8-18 skid, aside from Bosh’s 2 injuries, and what does he need to do to bring it back??
I’m not sure it’s much of a riddle. If you look back at that nice winning streak by Toronto, they played a 10 game stretch of some of the worst teams in the league. Yes, the wins over Dallas, LA etc were big too around that time, but again, if you look back, this team was still as inconsistent as ever. They beat LA, and lose to Indiana?
Something changed after the All-Star break all right, the schedule, and the health of certain players. I’ve said it since the start of the year and I’ll keep saying it – this is a 42 win team at best and major changes need to be made, especially in the leadership and toughness departments.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Apr 13, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That being said
The Raps still have a great chance to make the playoffs, with the Bulls playing two playoff teams the last two.
You are missing all of the posts
That say how both Boston and the Bobcats have nothing to play for, and will be resting their top players.
Question to Vicious D...
If BC had opted to offer a contract to the dinette set from Leons that was in a trade rumor with Hedo the Ottoman, would the dinette set be eligible to play in the playoffs?
Yes, by the rules of the NBA. However, props are only allowed in the dunk contest, so that dinette set would only be eligible in next year’s all star game really.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 13, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to burst your bubble but I decided to look it up.
From CBS.Com
TWO-WAY TIES
1. Results of games against each other.
2. Better winning percentage within own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
4. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
5. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Better point differential between offense and defense.
As number one would seem to indicate that Atlanta (swept season series) will be #3 so long as they finish no worse then Boston record wise. The End.
Except For Turk and Maybe Johnson No One Else Had A Clue
The Bulls are playoff tested. Remember last years great 7 game series that they had with the Celtics? They turned it up to playoff level
Except for Turk and Johnson only by having been with Pistons for 4 years but still on the bench during the playoffs had any clue as to what to expect from the Bulls playoff level intensity.
The game against the Bulls is what you get when you have a bunch of young guys and guys with little or no playoff experience going up against a young playoff tested team in a game in which the opponent of probably superior talent, when Bosh is out, is fighting for the playoff lives.
Hopefully the young guys on the Raptors can learn a bit from it.
So the Raptors have had several of these “big games” already this year and have yet to really learn from any of them when they’ve been in tough situations. Yes, they beat the Lakers in a very playoff-atmosphere game and almost beat them yet again, but then how do you excuse those other big games like fighting against Orlando several times this year or the aforementioned Bulls game? There is no consistency to this team which is why it is completely the definition of mediocre in my opinion. They tease enough to make you think they can do something good (ie January/February), but at the same time, always do something that makes you shake your head (being last in steals and being worst in history in defense per # of possessions).
How is any of this good and a plan for the future?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 13, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
They Did Not Have a Playoff Level Game Before The Bulls Game
Everything was as close to being on the line in the Bulls game as it could be especially for the Bulls, who really had a must win situation.
The Raptors did not have any of those type games this year before the Bulls game.
true
I have to agree that the Lakers and those other regular season game even though the crowd and the teams has intensity, it was not a playoff intensity like the Chicago game and that folks is why no matter what it is very important to make the playoffs even if you get swept, the young players will get at least 4 games of playoff experience. And when the club improve next season then that will be a very good thing…..raps4life
Injuries are part of the game. How is that Milwaukee can lose two of their best players in Redd and Bogut but still win but the Raptors get a free pass because Bosh got hurt? Sorry, if the Raptors had simply lost to the bulls then I would so okay but they got crushed. No injury to your team can change the level of heart you display and the Raptors showed absolutely none.
Totally agree
To me the constant lack of consistency speaks volumes as to the mediocrity of this club. Yes, Bulls are more “battle-tested” perhaps but give me a break…no explanation for being crushed the way they were by Chicago.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Apr 13, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
full team
You have to remember Franchise that Chicago had their full team, the Raps was without their best player plus Antione Wright was on one leg. The Bulls are battle tested the past 2 years and they understand more than the Raps did the enormity of the game, plus the Raps have a rookie coach that does not prepare the teams well. He had them more prepare for the Pistons game than he did for the game that count the most…the Bulls. The Raps will win against NYC and make it in. Boston should beat Chicago tonight, and this will be the first time I cheer for Boston and probably the last….Raps4life
Thank-you for saying it better than me.
Vicious D- I didn’t mean to dis your article but I’m with buddahfan on this. I don’t think it was as dire as the article read.
I'm tired of the excuses
They’re young. They’re banged up. They need time to learn to play together with so many new faces.
What they are is SOFT. Its easy to play hard when your shots are falling against a horrible team. What happened against Chicago is the same thing that happens every time we play the Celtics or anyone else that cranks up the intensity..we cower away. Our most talented players are not mentally tough. Even Bosh stops going to the basket when when the defense gets physical. I dread making the playoffs as we will not only lose our pick but also get badly blown out. On the other hand, that may not be a bad thing so management can realize how bad the situation is. Worst case scenerio is the Raps just missing the playoffs and management thinking we are not that far away…if only we weren’t so young, so hurt and had more time to play together.
Fully agree
Too many excuses is exactly right. Like I said yesterday the Raptors win when their jumpshots are falling and their defense doesn’t matter. The coaching staff seems fine with all the jumpshots as Jay is always saying he’s happy with the shot selection and effort. It’s not going to get any better without a/several coaching changes where the coaches will actually cut minutes and bench players that are not following the game plan. Instead they blame the weather conditions or the basket is slightly bent, or the ball is inflated too much, or the opposing coach is practising voodoo. You need a balanced team comprised of good shooters and guys that will attack the basket when the shooters aren’t shooting. I wouldn’t blame Bosh so much as his free throw attempts are high, but it can’t just be him attacking.
Agree re Bosh
I didn’t mean to single him out and by no means am I suggesting he is the problem. He is one of two (with Jack being the other) who actually will drive to the basket. What I was trying to get at was that the personality of the team is to take the easy road when the intensity level picks up. It has to be deflating for Bosh to regularly attack the rim while he sees everone else settling for lazy jumpshots.
I love Larry Brown
From Doug Smith:
And this, courtesy of my good friend Mr. Bonnell, is why I respect Larry Brown:
"The Chicago game is going to be different. If that game means something to Chicago and Toronto, I think for the integrity of the league, we’ve got to have all our players available."
Brown’s Bobcats didn’t use everyone in their win Monday in New Jersey because, as Brown said:
"I know New Jersey is not going to be in the playoffs so I don’t feel as bad not playing everybody."
Class Act
Larry Brown is just a Class Act….That should be the attitude of all the Coaches, its not fair that a team get knocked out of the playoffs because a team that make it in is resting their players while playing a team that is trying get in or have an impact on teams trying to get it…thats not fair and LB statement is coming from one of the classiest coaches in the NBA….Godd for you Mr. Brown hope your team pull off an upset in the playoffs……………..Raps4Life
Don’t think this is something that’s been discussed enough this year. He’s been great for the Cavs – just a nice fit and has come up big in various games. Toronto hasn’t had that at all…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Apr 13, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Parker
BC was trying to get Parker back off waivers but the Cavs are smart and picked him up, he is a huge part of their team, and LBJ has nothing but praise for the job Parker has done this year. He is one of those glue guys, big loss for the Raps to lose Parker……..r4l
Parker
Would have sucked on this Raptors team. He’s basically a 3 ball shooting slower player, and we already have plenty of them on this team.
He’s playing the perfect role on the Cavs but he wouldn’t have been playing that role on the Raps.
Parker
Not sure there’s any difference between Parker and Wright, and I would have liked to have had two Wright-type players this year to use.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Apr 13, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s for sure…….I think Wright is a little tougher than Parker on the defensive end but 2 of them would be great on the Raps………
I think it’s a bit of a misconception that either Wright or Parker are/were defensive stoppers. Parker, in particular, was pretty brutal last year with the Raps.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 13, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Parker?
Things r really bad when we’re calling for Parker to come back. I appreciated his professionalism and hard work but he made no difference to us last year in terms of the team’s overall performance and this year he’d be just as useless on this team.
Playing with a star like Lebron is perfect for him bec all he does is stand in the corner and wait for his defender to help on Lebron and then receive the pass and hit the 3. The raptors require wayyyyyyyyyyy more “game” out of a SG than Parker has to offer.
Of course it helps that he plays with a superstar who plays d. Parker was too slow last year and on our team he had to cover the best player every night. In Cleveland he gets help from some guy who plays the wing but whose name escapes me. Parker needed to go because this team needed someone younger in that spot.
Hello from Fear the Sword....
I am hoping that the Raptors make the playoffs, not because I think we have a better chance of beating Toronto than we do of beating Chicago, but because I personally feel that the Cavs did not “play fair” last week by playing Lebron for 35 minutes against you and then resting him against the Bulls.
So….go Boston tonight, and go Charlotte tomorrow, if need be, and, for sure…..go Raptors.
i hate being middle of the road
like atleast the nets will draft john wall next season n possibly attract agood coach and a good free agent and maybe be back in the playoffs next season but the raptors are just gonna get worse well i gues we wont be a mediocare team for long we will be suckish next season so atleast we will get a high pick then
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