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Tip-In: Toronto Raptors Post Game Report - Failure

The importance of yesterday's game was well known.

On the line? Sole possession of the 8th spot in the Eastern Conference with just two games to go.

One team showed up, one team did not.

Star-divide

Full credit to the Chicago Bulls.

They played an excellent game and should be commended for getting a big road win, 104-88.

The Bulls had a game plan and ran it virtually to perfection, in particular on the defensive end. Chicago played swarming defense and made things very tough on the Raptors who only managed 40 points in the second half of the game and 88 overall - far below the team's season average.

Even more impressive was the Bulls ability to create easy offense off of their defense, constantly leaking guys down the court and beating the Raps to the other end.

The Raps game plan?

'Flawed' would be the best answer.

The Raptors struggled offensively all night and were (surprise!) brutal on the defensive end once again. I mean other than a few glimpses, this was a failure of a game. The team did not come out to play and will now likely pay for this performance and not make the playoffs. This game told me what I have known all season long - this team is not very good. I mean the HQ loves Sonny Weems but should he really be the team's high point getter (tied) in a game of this magnitude?

As mentioned in the preview the team that had their big-name players step up was going to be the team to get the W. Well, the Rose/Noah combination outplayed the Turkoglu/Bargnani duo.

I don't want to over-look the fact that Turkoglu still managed a very strong game, in particular on the glass, despite shooting 2-12 from the field, but at the end of the day the big money guys for the Bulls were simply better than the big money guys for the Raps.

Joakim Noah was just unbelievable to watch last night. He is an Energizer Bunny on the court in that he just never stops. He plays with an incredible amount of bounce but what is more impressive is that he plays under control. Noah was a mere three assists shy of a triple double. He did an excellent job on the glass, was effective from the field (despite the ugly looking shot) and was constantly hitting the floor and mixing it up. Considering how he plays it is downright astonishing that he only committed two fouls.

The other catalyst for the Bulls - Derrick Rose. Mr. Rose seems to be a man of his words and he helped to carry the Bulls to the win, in particular in the second half. Despite being guarded by Sonny Weems for a good chunk of the game Rose managed to carve up the Raptors defense on his way to 26 points.

Oh the Raptors defense. The Dinos have been an utter failure defensively this season and it seems fitting that it was another weak defensive performance that could be the final nail in this season's coffin.

The obvious question is why has this team been so bad defensively? Is it the players? The system? Wasn't Iavaroni brought it to improve the Raps D?

The other big reason the Raps lost this game was bench play. Save for Jarrett Jack the Raptors bench was absolutely non-existent.

The Raptors laid an egg at possibly the worst possible moment. Meanwhile the Bulls, on this night at least, look like a team truly gearing up for the playoffs. All is not lost but given the situation you have to like Chicago's chances right now.  Oh and did I mention that Chicago might be one of the teams courting CB4 this summer? If they do manage to secure the 8th spot without Bosh you know they will be selling the "imagine what we could do with you" angle when free-agency opens.

We reached out to Matt at Blog-a-Bull to discuss this and a number of other points surrounding the situation in Chicago the past few days and thought we would share some perspective on the playoff/free-agency situation from the Chicago side of things.

RHQ: Looking at both the short and long term, in your opinion, is it more advantageous for the Bulls to make the playoffs this year, miss them, or no difference?

B-a-B: "Fundamentally, it's probably no difference. The one advantage to missing the playoffs would be the extreme unlikelihood that they would win the draft lottery and finish top-3, and while a Bulls fan would be the first to tell you such luck is still possible, the chances are negligibly small. As part of the John Salmons deal to Milwaukee, the Bucks can choose to swap picks with the Bulls, so drafting in the early teens (it's top-10 protected, so the lottery would be the only way to keep the pick) doesn't help the Bulls either.

And so it's not as much about 'why' the Bulls should make the playoffs as it is 'why not'. The series last year against the Celtics was ultimately meaningless, but it was fun to watch, and there is something to be said for the players who will be here a while (Rose and Noah, pretty much) to not only get playoff experience but learn how far they are away when going against a juggernaut like the Cavs. And in terms of 2010 free agency courtship, being a playoff team is a bit arbitrary given how they got into the playoffs, but it'd be yet another thing the Bulls can sell about themselves to players...like Chris Bosh."

RHQ: For the Bulls, it would seem that Bosh would be a perfect fit for them at the 4. But would you agree or do you think they'd prefer Amare?  Or perhaps another free agent (outside of Wade and LeBron of course) even more?

B-a-B:  "The Bulls may have specific weaknesses, but it can all be grouped into one big weakness: a lack of top-level talent. They need someone on par or superior to Derrick Rose if they're going to be serious about contention, and I'd hope that throwing away an entire season would be with this high-reaching goal in mind.

So it's really not about fit, just talent. That means LeBron first, then Wade, then Bosh. I'd assume they'll have enough feelers out there to see if the top of the FA class has no chance of choosing Chicago, so if that's the case I'm fine with making Bosh the #1 priority.

And frankly beyond him it's not that thrilling. Though I'd still take Amare Stoudemire or Joe Johnson*, neither seems worth the cost of the '2010 plan', as each have their own drawbacks to the point where it's unlikely either would be that second star to grow with Rose. But they'd certainly be a better team.*(I would not be surprised if the Bulls make Joe Johnson their top priority, by the way. Which is a bit depressing since his career track has Michael Finley written all over it.)

Bosh is younger, more durable, and a better defender than the other PFs out there like Amare, Carlos Boozer, or David Lee. He's also simply the better player, and as good as he is now I'd love to see him on a team with Rose, Noah and Deng, arguably a better start of a supporting cast than he's had in his entire career.

I still think Bosh's most likely destination (if he indeed leaves) is Miami to pair up with Dwyane Wade. However, there were rumors several weeks ago that Bosh did not want to be a second-fiddle to another start player, and while he may be perceived as that in Miami, he wouldn't in Chicago (though Rose is the hometown favorite, Bosh is currently better)."

If I was Chris Bosh and I watched last night's game I would rather be playing for the Bulls then for the Raps, that's for sure.

Unless Toronto can get some help it looks like the HQ will soon be converting into full draft mode in the near future and the countdown to Bosh's free-agency will begin.

It is possible that the Raptors do manage to make the playoffs, but again we ask you - do you even want them to at this point knowing the benefit of doing so is facing the Cavs and the cost is a first round pick?

Given the way this team is constructed and how it has played all season, I would rather start thinking about how things can be fixed than discussing how the Raps can avoid being swept in the first round.

I hate to say it, but based on this, I'm foregoing tonight's three keys as I'd rather this team loses to Detroit; thereby hopefully driving that proverbial final nail into what has been an extremely disappointing season.

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Maybe you should have the three keys to losing to Detroit with some dignity

Seriously, admit it. A lot of you breathed a sigh of relief when the Raptors went down to the Bulls last night. I know I did. Bulls absolutely had to win that game if they were serious about making the playoffs and they did. Toronto, not so much. The sad thing is that the Raps will probably still stumble into the playoffs as their last two games are soft. True, they will have a hard time against NY and Detroit the way they are currently playing but does anyone here believe they won’t win at least one of those games? Lets hope that Charlie V decides to go off tonight to make BC look bad for not keeping him (okay, BC has been more than vindicated there but hey, Charlie probably doesn’t believe that).

by McGateway on Apr 12, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

No Kidding

Outside of Weems, Jack, Marcus Banks and…unbelievably Hedo (although he didn’t make shots) – the rest of the team looked like they’d rather be in bed.

Pretty pathetic that with all the offseason dollars that were thrown around, this team has only improved by 5 wins.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Apr 12, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

though not unexpected

by bigweeze on Apr 12, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

half empty kind of guy

hate to say it, but…

by 16 points, too.

“last two games are soft” begs the question: who’s softer? between Charmin and the Raps, its an open question. I’d take Charmin in 5 games.

by Gerry71 on Apr 12, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

So, it would seem my cheesy rally cry didn't really inspire anyone.

That was not what I was hoping for. I wanted to see a fight, what we got was a boot farggin’. My hope for a taste of the post season definately took a hit last night. What a terrible game. Piss poor shot selection. I swear at one point I saw Belli try a finger role from behind the net. Chitown’s D was tight.

P.S. We could so take Charmin in 7. Charmin’s D is paper thin and their offense is pourous.

by Posterized on Apr 12, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think think the Raptors could take Charmin to 6 games (assuming Raptors had home court).

by McGateway on Apr 12, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I fully expect 0-2

NYK and DET are playing better these days, and he Raps are looking tired.

by B.C. on Apr 12, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they beat Detroit tonight but lose to New York at home to end it…this team seems to want to prolong the misery as much as possible…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Apr 12, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

half empty 2

“I’d rather this team loses to Detroit”

wow. I only said I expected they would lose to these teams. didn’t go so far as to say I was hoping they would. given how much time and effort you, franchise, and D have put into the blog day in and day out, I feel more for YOU guys than the long faces on that Raps team (see pic above – says it all, doesn’t it?).

by Gerry71 on Apr 12, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep, photo says it all...

Thanks Gerry, it’s indeed been a challenging season in many ways!

Unfortunately what’s REALLY been keeping Howland, D, myself and the rest of the HQ crew up at night is the thought of covering this team next year should it be without Bosh and several key bench components…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Apr 12, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks a lot man

Yeah, it is a lot of work some nights. It’s why it’s just so frustrating since we all revolve our time off and such around this website. We can definitely get very cranky when we see a game like yesterday, but I’m sure everyone else who watches the Raptors in their spare time feels the same way too.

What’s especially infuriating is just how lost this whole season was because according to the game plan, nothing was accomplished.

And I mean that. N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Apr 12, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bosh saying something

If he’s not coming back, why say anything?

Every day he doesn’t say something reinforces what we all suspect — that he’s not coming back.

It sucks, like lots of things about being a fan of this team.

by Aaron Craig on Apr 12, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

if..

If we do have our pick what number will it be and who could we pick?

by sherwin316 on Apr 12, 2010 10:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

It’ll likely be around 11-13, and who to pick would depend on what, if anything, we get back for Bosh. I just hope they draft someone defensive-minded. The whole culture of the team needs to change and D has to be a big part of the equation here on out.

by benjibopper on Apr 12, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

The lottery is a crapshoot to a certain extent, but this year should be a fairly solid draft. With CBA issues on the horizon, it seems like a lot of players are going to come out early meaning that players drafted in Toronto’s potential range, would likely be higher lottery picks had they come out the following season.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Apr 12, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hassan Whiteside?

by HDave on Apr 12, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually who we target for Bosh will be influenced by who we draft as the FA period is after the draft so unless Bosh gives the green light to trade on draft night, we have to go under the assumption he will be here.

by McGateway on Apr 12, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rebounding

Does it not bother anyone else that Turk got 19 rebounds, but doesn’t rebound any other game. He proved it was possible, I mean he’s the same height as Bosh and a little heavier why doesn’t he rebound like that evey game. I’m really sick of this point forward BS, when we have 3 servicable point guards. Oh wait but Jay likes to have the options of who’s going to decide to take the next 15 foot brick. I guess no one cares anymore, and I shouldn’t either. We need to drop Jay Triano because there is no excuse for getting killed by Chicago and having no defensive strategy, it’s been the same all year long and no one cares. The only games the Raptors win are when their offense is hot and their defense doesn’t matter. Last rant of the season.

by PNUTZ on Apr 12, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

My respect for Feschuk went through the roof after reading that.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 12, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mush respect Feschuk

I was at the game yesterday; the crowd was more pumped than the Raps. Gave them a standing O when they came out. And to come out flat like that is inexcusable. Part of the problem is the Raps have taken on Jays boring, flat personality

by staylor on Apr 12, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least the Jays know when to take the foot off the gas pedal when it comes to quick fixes and band aid solutions. They’ve made no secret that this season is a rebuilding season, and they’re trying to create a team the right way. The same can’t be said for the Raptors in a million years. I think a few seasons of sucking would do this team some good.

by HDave on Apr 12, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure but I think he meant “Jay Triano’s” perosnality which would make more sense.

by PNUTZ on Apr 12, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Who knew the absence of an apostrophe could do that? Sorry about that.

by HDave on Apr 12, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe it or not, as I read the paper this morning, the first thing I thought of was how you guys called out the reporters for not bashing the team. Seems like we forgot about Dave “The Negative” Feschuk.

by HDave on Apr 12, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feschuk thrives this type of situation. If the Raptors were successful by any stretch of the imagination, he’d have nothing to write about. He’s spot on with his assessment of the team right now, and my respect for him has at least tripled — but at the same time, he’s the Andrea Bargnani of basketball journalism (streaky and one-dimensional).

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 12, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact...

…anyone notice how absent he was when Toronto was winning?

And I love Bruce Arthur and Grange, but even they were a bit too optimistic in early February for my liking.

In fact, and I’m blowing our own horn here, I really think that while we were often labelled as being “too negative,” we were the only ones looking at the situation realistically through most of the season.

That being said…even I didn’t think things would be this bad…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Apr 12, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bulls fan here. Some optimistic notes:

I haven’t seen a lot of Bargnani, but I was very, very impressed by his play last night. He’s certainly not a center. However: he could be one of the leagues best scoring power forwards. He just needs to be paired with a dominating interior force, and you guys might have one of the best one-two punches in the league.

The guy I’m thinking of is DeMarcus Cousins. His PER numbers were far better than Oden’s in college, and he’s the best low post scorer I’ve seen since since Duncan. He’s also authentically nasty – which, along with liberal minutes for Jarret Jack, would go along way to making a tougher team. In fact, while Bosh is doubtlessly the better player at this point, a Bargani/Cousins frontcourt might win more games. More defense, more inside/outside complementation, more rebounding…and more victories.

Here’s what I’m hoping if I’m a Raptor fan. Either lotto into a top 3 pick, or trade Chris Bosh for one of them. Now granted, as a Bulls fan, I’m hoping he just waltzes into our open arms, as Bosh/Noah could be pretty damn good. But thinking of you guys: the sign and trade for Cousins and just about anything…well, that’s a pretty quick “rebuilding.” Does Bosh have to agree? Sure. But he’s got 30 million reasons to do so.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Apr 12, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Props to you, as unlikely as that scenario is, I was hoping for the exact same thing. Maybe a team like the Jazz gets a top 5 pick and is willing to sign & trade that for Bosh. Obviously there’d be alot of other financial factors but that would be the center piece of the deal. Hey, a man can dream right?

by HDave on Apr 12, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cousins

He sounds like the type of player that would make a perfect complement to Bargs. As one of the Blog posters said (sorry, can’t remember who), a Cousins-type player could be the perfect “ying” to Andrea’s “yang”. Then we go out and get some wing help, and Amir can develop as our 1st Big off the Bench.

by RapthoseLeafs on Apr 12, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course we could just trade Bargnani to what ever team drafts Cousins. But I digress.

by McGateway on Apr 12, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NBA

Where the Toronto Raptors suck at defense happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryCnDtE6sZU

by Turksucks on Apr 12, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

That deserves an Oscar

by HDave on Apr 12, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s funnier is all the raptor fans complaining in the comments. lol it’s a video it’s not like the guy made any of that up

by PNUTZ on Apr 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 Different Play-off Opinions

[Howland]
“It is possible that the Raptors do manage to make the playoffs, but again we ask you – do you even want them to at this point knowing the benefit of doing so is facing the Cavs and the cost is a first round pick?”

[Blog-a-Bull]
“The series last year against the Celtics was ultimately meaningless, but it was fun to watch, and there is something to be said for the players who will be here a while (Rose and Noah, pretty much) to not only get playoff experience but learn how far they are away when going against a juggernaut like the Cavs.”
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I have to go with Blog-a-Bull on this one. Weems, Jack & Bargnani need play-off experience, even if the series turns out to be meaningless. Those 3 players will most likely be part of next year. Plus, we might as well get over the loss of our 1st pick. And not that it means a lot (although Weems was one), the 2nd pick will not be lost – as I believe.
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Play-off debate aside, I’m more interested in your Defence questions.

["The obvious question is why has this team been so bad defensively? Is it the players? The system? Wasn’t Iavaroni brought it to improve the Raps D?’]

These are the questions that keep rolling around in my head. Are the players really that bad, or is this Defensive system really that useless. At times, we’ve managed to play great defense, part and parcel to our top 3 record from Dec 18th to the All-star break. What changed after that point? And who the hell is Iavoroni anyways? If he’s such a guru, why are we one of the absolute worst defensive teams? Are ALL the players that bad? I would’ve thought that with Jay being known as an X and O kind of guy, that this area of our game would be a passable strength, and not another weakness.
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There is a hope in me, that if we lose Bosh, we also decide to lose most of the coaching staff. Time to change faces.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Apr 12, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What is the point of giving them playoff experience if they wont see the playoffs again for 4 years? you have to be a leaf fan because that makes no sense. If Bosh goes, and the Raps lose their pick in what may be the deepest draft ever, then it will destroy this franchise. Missing the playoffs this year and next is the best way to move forward.

by McGateway on Apr 12, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coaching...and other things

The team invest so much in players but so little in getting credible coaches and we as fans always end up at the same point each year, disappointed. Think of the coaches that got the most out of their Raptor rosters — Brendan Malone, Butch Carter, and Lenny Wilkins. Outside of that every head coach has not only been sub par, but also hasn’t really learned under anyone credible. Carter learned from Bobby Knight, Malone is still respected as a top assistant helping out Stan Van Gundy in Orlando, and Wilkins..you have to admit, in retrospect, he did a fine job. Mitchell had potential but his downfall was a personality conflict with the GM. He still might prove to be a fine coach when given another opportunity.

Jay Triano…I don’t know. I try to find information that suggest I’m not giving him enough credit but the proof is in the pudding and by now the pudding is so old it has skin. He might talk a spectacular game, but I have the sneaking suspicion that if this team had decided on a different coaching hire we’d be talking about unseating Boston and not about fighting it out to face LeBron. The players, through the systems they’ve been asked to implement, have not been put in a position to succeed according to their strengths and so now they transition from lost to disinterested.

Chris Bosh has never struck me as a smart player, and one thing we have to acknowledge is that the most effective Big-man driven offenses have relied on Big men who were quality passers, so I don’t think his loss will translate to that much worse of a record if better complimentary players are brought in.

Maybe that one good Calderon year was the anomaly and we should simply accept that he played himself into a good contract and has regressed to what will be his norm from now on.

by HQ Interloper on Apr 12, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

The irony is that Wilkens is the exception that proves the rule. When he took over the Raptors he is entering his dotage and almost any idiot could have taken that team into the playoffs. Using Wilkens as example of a coach who got the most out of the Raptors makes me want to vomit. He pretty much destroyed any work ethic Vince Carter might have had.

by McGateway on Apr 12, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lenny was pretty bad. Losingest coach in NBA history

by bigweeze on Apr 12, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should have kept Mitchell

At least the defense wouldn’t be this bad, and he would have benched Hedo the whole year. Who cares about everyone’s sensitive personalities that clash with Mitchell’s, I’d rather see wins than the silly dancing they do before the games.

by PNUTZ on Apr 12, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I was watching the warm ups.. Weems and DD were doing the off the backboard dunk DD did in the dunk contest. Then Weems went baseline behind the backboard trying to make some circus shots. Then there was the dancing…they just have no focus or intensity. Noah on the other hand was like a caged animal ready to go.

by staylor on Apr 12, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Toronto has been missing that since Oakley’s departure – great observation. I love Weems and the kids, but they are just that, kids. This team still lacks a hardened, battle-worn veteran.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Apr 12, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL isn’t that Bosh and Turks jobs?

by McGateway on Apr 12, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Annoying

Don’t you see that stupid lack of focus in all losing teams… it’s thesame all NBA. That Bargs couldn’t raise his game to a decent level should make every raps fan shudder, this stretch has certainly defined the player he is. Sorry BC

by Scores on Apr 12, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

i think the after kobs 81 the raptors as an organisation has lost his pride

by raptors_run_the_show on Apr 12, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

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