Tip-In: Toronto Raptors Post-Game Report: Still Fighting
The Raps are still in 8th spot despite having lost another game last night, this time to the Atlanta Hawks.
The Nets did the Raps a favor and beat the Bulls setting the table for Sunday's big match-up.
After the Nets beat the Bulls last night HQ favorite, and Nets rookie, Terrence Williams was apparently getting text messages from current Raptors. That message? Thank you for playing your best game as a pro (Williams had a triple double) and getting the win.
Now, despite losing to Atlanta Hawks last night 107-101, the Raptors continue to hold the 8th spot in the Eastern Conference (holding the tie-breaker).
The result of last night's game was not surprising. Atlanta is a great team and despite struggling in the first quarter from the floor (they had 8 points with 3:07 left to play in the first quarter) absolutely unleashed their offensive fury in the second quarter and laid 45 points on the Raps.
To the Raptors credit however, they didn't fold. In the second half they kept the pace and battled with the Hawks all game long. Despite coming up short in the end last night's effort has to be commended. There were many opportunities for the Raptors to raise the white flag but they didn't.
It's clear that these guys still want to make the playoffs and won't let Chris Bosh's absence be a crutch or an excuse for not doing so. They actually want to play the role of sacrificial lamb to the Cavs. You have to respect the effort even if, like me, you think from a long term "in the best interests of the franchise" perspective the desire to make the playoffs is somewhat misguided.
Of course many of these players may not be around next season, including Antoine Wright, Sonny Weems and starter Amir Johnson, so a first round pick is of no use to them. These guys are all playing for their next contract and all three are putting a solid case forward for getting a raise.
Sonny Weems once again had a solid offensive game. He was 8-16 from the floor, didn't force the action (no 3-point attempts) and can simply do some things on the offensive end of the floor, due to his athleticism, that no other Raptor can (see spin move in second quarter for evidence). He has taken full advantage of his insertion into the starting line-up. His play has been so solid as of late it is going to put Bryan Colangelo in a bit of a bind this off-season. Although DeRozan is supposed to be the two guard of the future Weems is now making a strong argument that, despite the lesser draft status, that he should be guy. Bothare young, talented and with tons of upside the only difference being Weemsis currently the more polished player. Is there room for both of these guys on the roster? Has Weems recent play priced himself out of Toronto's plans? Can BC afford to sign Weems to an extension (currently an unguaranteed option for next season) when so much effort and promise has been used to promote DeRozan as Toronto's next big player? It's an interesting dilemma.
Perhaps the best effort in last night's match-up came from Amir Johnson. Inserted into the startingline-up Johnson managed to stay out of foul trouble for the most part and put up a huge double-double with 18 points and 13 rebounds. This is the definition of stepping-up. Jay Triono was smart to put Amir next to Bargnani in the starting line-up. Amir doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. He is the ying to Bargnani's yang and a great compliment to Il Mago. Amir, like Weems, with performances like these, is putting BC into a tough position with the off-season period not far off. It's interesting that it's the guys who no-one expected this team to rely on this season are the one's really coming to the forefront down the stretch.
Despite strong performances by the likes of Weems, Johnson and many others the Raps lost the game in typical fashion. The team was once again outrebounded and gave up far too many second chance points to the Hawks. On a number of occasions the Raps got the initial stop only to give up an offensive rebound which subsequently lead to an Atlanta bucket. Josh Smith and Al Horford were dominant on the glass with 5 offensive rebounds each. The Hawks also had a distinct advantage from the free throw line where they had 10 more attempts and 14 more makes. Finally, the Raps perimeter defense let them down far too many times.
The teams rebounding issues, lack of free-throw attempts (without Bosh) and perimeter defense are all things Colangelo is going to have to find answers for in the off-season.
The Raptors also faced Jamal Crawford who simply owns the Raptors. Jack and Devlin were right last night when they said Crawford should win the 6th Man of the Year award. He has been awesome this season for the Hawks this season and they will rely heavily on him when the playoffs start.
The Raptors now head home, have today to regroup and on Sunday will play the Bulls in what is the biggest game of the season. It's going to be large.
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If this team loses Chris Bosh AND Amir Johnson in the offseason...
… they’re going to be horrific next year. Especially if they’re only replacing Bosh with another team’s garbage and a late lottery pick.
As Dave Berri points out in his Wages of Wins Journal, Bosh is carrying the team and Johnson has been significantly above average:
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 10, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions
Wow
Those are some ugly numbers.
Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Apr 10, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Do the Raptors have the space to resign Bosh and another guy
Or just Bosh?
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
Just Bosh and the MLE
And if they don’t re-sign Bosh they likely will only have limited monies for a second tier player or no-one at all if they re-sign Weems/Amir/Antoine.
Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Apr 10, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically, the only above average guys are Bosh, Johnson, Jack, Evans and Calderon (but Calderon has fallen off a cliff compared to last season).
Turkoglu and Weems are close to being average, which is exactly what you want to hear when one of those guys is making $50 million plus over the length of his contract.
Everyone else is terrible, including Bargnani — and this is the guy they’re going to build around should Bosh leave. Wow.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 10, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
We should be quiet about a Weems extension
He will pretend to want to go to Portland and then hold us up for his 50 mil
we need to resign weems and amir these guys have been bringing it all season and deserve a contract
by raptors_run_the_show on Apr 10, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
Sonny Weems
Sonny is currently under contract for next year at slightly less tha $1mil, and Raptors very interested in signing Amir who is a FA, but Wright is a question, as along with Weems and DeRozan the biggest need is a SG/SF who is athletic and a proven scorer who can create his own shot, as I doubt either Sonny or DeMar can fill that role next year. Imagine the Raptors with a player with the talent of Atlanta’s Crawford.
Weems and Johnson need to be brought back. Both players need to start (depending on what happens with Chris Bosh).
Wright is expendable. I really don’t think it’s a big deal if they let him walk because he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire and the Raps have a big investment in DeRozan.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 10, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
There will always be someone floating around in FA in the summer to replace Wright, there should be no rush to sign him with no particular attachment to him personally. He’s secured his place in the league if these injuries don’t limit him, but he will likely float around on short term contracts for the rest of his career.
I can see Weems signing an extension easily. Why risk next season on an unguaranteed 1 year option instead of banking 5-10 million? He may come out of it behind than had he risked it, but this contract would make him set for life.
Great point. I think Wright can be easily replaced when you consider that he’s been below average.
And an extension for Weems might be a good idea. I mean, when you consider the ridiculous contracts handed out to the likes of Bargnani and Turkoglu, a couple of mil a year over 5 years for a guy with some athleticism and the ability to defend opposing PGs could work.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 10, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst case with Weems*, he regresses into our #10-12, comes in to play garbage time. I doubt this will happen, and still it isn’t the most damaging to your roster. 2 million on one miss doesn’t hurt. What hurts is having bench filler like Banks and Evans making 4+ million to do nothing. Both over this and next year will make what Sonny will hypothetically get over 5.
What makes it even more likely he will sign is fronting him with money – extending him without picking up his option. Having the result of upping his pay next year from 750k to 2m.
- I’ve ignored the possibility that he spends his $2m per year on pizza and Sprite and becomes lethargic.
Outside the Box
This is an excellent piece- well done. Last year when we had G O"neil, many of you were amased that Colangelo was able to make the trades that he did based on the cap situation. From that, I now believe that Colangelo will once again make some good adjustments dispite the cap situation.
So assuming that next year Bosh, OBryant, Rasho, and Banks are gone as well as Jose through trade, can this team be competitive? My belief is that they can if:
They take the “off season” action to do everything pssible to develop Weems ,Derozen, Jack, Bargnani and Johnson believing that they are a good young core to develop.
They impliment a whole new offensive system to show case a new faster slashing type of game with this young athletic core. No longer slowing it down by dumping it down to Bosh everytime.
They find someone on the planet who can coach and inspire perimeter defence.
One part of their offense must make use of Jack’s ability to penitrate into the paint.
I think that with good player development and the proper systems in place- offense and defence, to utilize the strengths of these young players they can duplicate what the Thunder have done this year but it takes thinking a little more outside the box, so to speak.
i complety agree if we can even get a good player for bosh doesnt have to be great but a good solid players and get some defensive players in here we could even improve in the rankings i think colangelo should concentrate on somehow getting the first overall pick that would help us tremendously and i think its possible
by raptors_run_the_show on Apr 10, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
How is getting the first overall pick...
possible? Please explain.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Apr 10, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
0.7% chance of that happening
They’re looking at the #12 pick which is projecting to be Patrick Patterson right now:
http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2010/mockdraft
“… the talent to be a surefire NBA role player.”
Yep, it’s going to be a REALLY quick turnaround in Toronto.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 10, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW Banks is under contract next year so unless he agrees to a buy out or someone is willing to take on his salary (maybe so they can be eligible to use what may be the last MLE) he will be here.
The irony here is that the fact they are in the East actually hurts their chances to turn things around by sucking for a couple years and getting some good draft picks. The East is still so weak it isn’t hard to make the post season which eliminates any chance of getting a star player (baring someone falling to them).
i might be crazy but...
Great read..I might be crazy for saying this but maybe not, they HAVE to keep weems and derozan together.there’s been so much times where when they play together at the sametime they both play great..their both still young,coachable,and are best friends.I say in a few years their gonna be our new Vince and T-mac. I really do think this.
by sherwin316 on Apr 10, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
A further point
I like the way Amir and Evans play. In hockey they call them “grinders” so who ever Colangelo obtains I’d like to see another big rebounder, someone who will run you over to get the ball.
Some things
Stop harping on the Turkoglu contract. It’s signed, he will be paid that and there’s really nothing any of us can do about it so, let it be.
Win or lose, I haven’t looked forward to a Raptor’s game this much since Game 7 against Philadelphia some eons ago. but what I’d really like to touch on is this whole notion of a grand conspiracy
Cleveland rests LeBron against the Bulls because a Cleveland Chicago first round play-off match-up is like manifest destiny, where ghost of the Jordan’s shot are exorcised by the Cavs winning the series with the heir apparent in LeBron ascending to the championship throne for the first time.
David Stern and the league have the basis of their narrative for the next round of television contract renewals (here’s hoping NBC gets the games) and Stern aims to balance out the story by propping up other markets.
Chicago becomes Bosh’s landing place, because he gets the spot light in a major market and it sets up a nice rivalry for years. New York and New Jersey are appeased by getting the top two picks in this year’s draft and a few decent free agents to keep them in the playoff race for the next few years, there fans engaged and thus the sponsorship money flowing in what becomes a Cleveland vs. Chicago universe.
Out West, Lakers, OKC, and Trailblazers hold the fort with the Lakers finding a way to outlast their foils for the next couple of years.
But the league needs a villain team to really make this story good
Enter the Raptors
With Bosh gone, the team in a foreign market, Stern gives Colangelo his blessing to complete the experiment and so they bring in one of Messina or Blatt to guide this team. Colangelo tells Stern he needs some help, so the envelope for the third pick overall gets frozen the night before the draft and the Raps get that one. Stern also convinces Philadelphia to take Calderon for Holiday, and Maurizio and the New Nets owner get Hedo a sweet retirement arrangement in the Turkish Basketball Association or with one of those Greek teams that overpay.
The Raps become a tough team to play in the future, playing a brand of ball that is interesting to watch and always challenging to their opponents.
Ladies and gentleman, that is your future.
Nothing to worry about
Uhmmmm, okay. I am not sure why any of those scenarios are going to happen (other than Bosh signing with Chicago). I would love for Toronto get a top 3 pick but it would be a miracle if it happened and exactly the kind of luck this franchise needs. Unfortunately BC will then use it to draft Donatas Motiejuas 9 spots higher then he is projected to go.
Notice tongue firmly planted in cheek
Agree or disagree, with Bosh leaving (possibly) it wouldn’t surprise me if the league mandated that the scales of luck be tipped the Raptors way once more. I suppose the bigger question is how important is the competitive health of the Toronto Raptors franchise to the league? How quickly might this turn into a Blue Jays scenario of indifference if progress isn’t shown soon enough. I must admit some indifference has started to creep into my own appreciation for the team and I suppose with a Butch Carter rehiring I might feel a little better, but I’d much rather be looking forward to the team capitalizing on a rapidly aging Boston squad instead of fighting it out with the bulls to go 6 with Cleveland (it should not be as lopsided as some would have you believe, but the coaching will probably let us down).
by HQ Interloper on Apr 10, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Weems?
Don’t we have him for next year? Don’t we have an option?
Yes. Good catch.
Unguaranteed.
Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Apr 10, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
That every team needs at least 2-3 decent swingmen.
As examples, both the Hawks and Thunder are able to throw out 4-5 solid wing players, and they are among the most versatile teams out there. This doesn’t always work out (witness the Wizards this season), but having a team based on multiple athletic wing players has been a staple of many top teams like the Jordan/Pippen Bulls and Kobe Lakers.
There is definitely room for both Weems and Derozan in the rotation. One or both of them need to become lock-down defenders though.
Reminds me of when we had Carter, Rose, Mo Pete and then passed on Iguodala to draft Araujo. Too many swingmen!!!
Then half a season later we had no Carter (we spun him into Eric Williams), Rose was sucking (predictably) and Mo had gotten herpes or something…
We are definitely not deep at the 2/3, with only DD/Weems/Turk/Belinelli locked up for next year. There’s some definite room for improvement even with 4 bodies there.
Rescued from SI's Ian Thomsen
Watching the Raptors over the last few weeks has been painful. Everyone is saying Bosh is a max player, but if he can’t lead this group of players to the playoffs, or even if they barely scrape in to get swept by the Cavs, is he really worthy of a max contract? [Editor’s note: This e-mail was sent before Bosh sustained a season-ending injury.] He clearly is not playing with the same intensity he played with at the start of the season. Is it worth it for any team to give a max contract to a player who has quit on a team when it needs him the most? Who is actually worth a max contract in a perfect world?
— Jason, Toronto
LeBron and Wade are max players without any doubt. Teams with cap space must decide whether Bosh and Atlanta’s Johnson are worthy of max contracts, especially when they consider the size of those contracts against the more austere environment of the next collective bargaining agreement in 2011. I would say either player surely deserves a max deal if he is the finishing piece on a team that can win the championship.
The best advice for Bosh is to sign with the most talented team that gives him the best chance to win big. The stakes are going to rise after he signs his next contract, and he is going to be expected to deliver a championship.
Johnson
The comment about Johnson playing for his next contract is one of total ignorance and an insult to a guy that brought it just as vigorously while playing in Detroit with no contract coming up.
MLSE's marketing spin this summer:
“We have the next Kobe — watch him make THE LEAP before your very eyes.”
Yep, it’s going to be all Sonny, all the time. Plus a good dose of Reggie, who inexplicably seems to still get a lot of love despite a half season of sucky suckness. Those seem to be the team’s only well-liked players at this point. But then, I’m 3000 miles away, so someone tell me different.
You could actually put together a pretty good highlight film from this season of next year’s Raps taking it to the hole. Hedo’s 3 dunks in one quarter; some of Andrea’s pretty shot fake/baseline jams; Amir throwing down alley-oops from Jose; Jack driving through traffic for the and-one.
Unfortunately, you could put together a much longer highlight film of those same players tossing 21 footers at the rim (except Amir).
By the way, despite this post, I’m becoming a huge Sonny fan. I think he has the potential to be another Monta Ellis. But to sell him as the answer to all our problems is a bit much at this point (assuming they do).
The Game
Totally excited about tonight’s game. All Raps fans have to relish the opportunity to watch a relevant game involving the Raps at this time of the season. We are definitely the underdogs, with all our injuries – a lot of casual fans will be watching this game closely, it will be a great opportunity for individual players to leave a lasting impression about their effort. Regardless of the outcome for this season, fans have to believe that our team next year will bring more effort than what we suffered through this year.
How amazing was Amir against Atlanta? Might he really be the ying to Bargnani’s yang? The fact that we have to bring Amir back is obvious. My question is in how big a role? I see Amir in a pretty similar way I see Sonny. Both these guys seem to have untapped potential – though I am guessing their cieling is as a solid starter rather than all-star. That said, two solid starters that bring athleticism, energy, defence, rebounding and attack the rim. Raps fans haven’t had ONE starter that did all those in ?
I am completely off the Triano bandwagon. I don’t think he will be fired, not even sure he should be. This is a team that should be around .500 and make it into the playoffs – not a bad start in your first full NBA season. That said, his player rotations at the end of this season, have baffled me. The consistency of the line up through the first 60 games was understandable. So many new faces, get people used to their new roles on the team, find minutes for DeMar, establish your top paid core, etc. Since the pressure to win has wratcheted up, JT has had this facet to his coaching exposed. Every game he seems to sit the hot hand for long stretches. I thought Jose was excellent last night, while Jack was like 1 for 6 – now I’m a JJ fan, but when Jose is hitting shots and a positive +/- you gotta find him minutes.
Lastly, anyone see that rumour about BC holding out for Noah in a sign and trade for Bosh. That would be great and all, but I just hope BC isn’t being overly optimistic. Bosh can walk anywhere unrestricted, teams don’t have to give up one of their best players to get him. I won’t be holding my breath. Imagine if Bosh does go to Chicago for nothing, that team will be very good, very deep, very young. Scary when you think about what the Raps might look like next year! SO ENJOY TONIGHT’S GAME!
Walker McKenna
by Robert Archibald on Apr 11, 2010 7:58 AM EDT reply actions
How amazing was Amir against Atlanta? Might he really be the ying to Bargnani’s yang?
Amir can be the ying. But Bargnani as the yang? That’s great if you want to build your team around streaky scoring and absolutely nothing else. Should be good for 18 wins next year.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Apr 11, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions

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