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The Shooting Guard Position - A Dilemma of Significant Magnitude

With the playoffs on the horizon one can't help but wonder what chance, if any, the Raptors have at doing something they have not done since the 2000/01 season - win a playoff series.

Much of Toronto's success will be dependent on its production from the wing positions, in particular DeMar DeRozan.

Is this wise? If not, is there a reasonable alternative?

Star-divide

Since Chris Bosh has been out of the line-up it shouldn't come as a surprise to many that the Raptors have struggled.

Any team would struggle when it's best player is out of the line-up.

As we have discussed a number of times, when your best player goes down others need to step-up and fill the void. The players know it, they just have not done a fantastic job of doing so. Outside of Hedo Turkoglu and Reggie Evans no other Raptor has really grabbed the bull by the horns - in particular DeMar DeRozan.

During the course of a player's rookie year they will unquestionably experience some ups and downs. Brandon Jennings has slowed down and is no longer a shoe-in for Rookie of the Year. Omri Casspi has admitted to hitting the rookie wall.

It would appear the DeMar has also hit that imaginary wall - in a big way.

Since the All-Star festivities DeMar has struggled mightily. In five of the last seven games he has scored 4 points or less and he has done little else from a statistical standpoint. If you take away the performance against the Thunder, where he saw more action than usual due to the blowout, his numbers are dismal.

It's the life of an NBA Rookie.

DeMar continues to be a solid prospect but he has also been abused by some of the league's elite two-guards. He is on a steep learning curve. What he experiences this year should prove beneficial for him and his long term prospects. It's sink or swim and he seems to have the mental toughness required to ensure he doesn't end up lifeless at the bottom of the pool.

The Raptors brass made a decision early on that DeMar was not only going to start, but that he should get a certain number of minutes per night - results be damned. Right now he is averaging about 20 minutes a game and there is little deviation from that number on any given night. He doesn't see crunch time minutes and unless things are going very poorly, he will see at least 16 minutes of PT.

This makes sense in the long-term.

But what about the short term?

Everyone knows the summer of 2010 is right around the corner and everyone knows what this means.

Success in the playoffs will likely go a long way in helping Bryan Colangelo get Chris Bosh's autograph on a shiny new contract. When Chris Bosh is looking at his options, the Raps actually have a pretty decent argument for why he should stay with the only team he has ever known. Outside of the extra dollars he can earn re-signing, the organization also has good young talent with whom he can grow as well as decent veteran help. The missing piece of the puzzle is evidence that this team can win on a regular basis and when it matters the most - in the playoffs.

When the regular season wraps up it looks like the Raps will be facing one of the big four - Cleveland, Orlando, Boston or Atlanta. Their starting two guards? Anthony Parker, Ray Allen, Vince Carter and Joe Johnson, respectively.

This brings us back to DeRozan. Outside of Parker, all of these match-ups heavily favour the opponent. Actually, if you look at the top nine teams in the Eastern Conference and their current starters, there is hardly a match-up that favours the Raps when it comes to production from the 2 and 3 spots.

Take a look:

- As of March 1, 2010
- Ranking in (-)

Team

Players

PPG

RPG

APG

FG%

3pt%

Cleveland

Anthony Parker, Lebron James

37.3 (2)

9.8 (3)

10.2 (1)

.471 (1)

.400 (1)

Orlando

Vince Carter,
Matt Barnes

24.7 (7)

9.8 (3)

4.6 (9)

.436 (7)

.318 (9)

Atlanta

Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams

31.9 (5)

9.6 (5)

5.7 (6)

.453 (4)

.355 (5)

Boston

Ray Allen,
Paul Pierce

34.3 (3)

8.0 (8)

6.1 (4)

.461 (2)

.391 (2)

Toronto

DeMar DeRozan,
Hedo Turkoglu

20.7 (9)

7.6 (9)

4.9 (8)

.441 (5)

.322 (8)

Chicago

Kirk Hinrich,
Luol Deng

28.2 (6)

11.1 (2)

6.5 (3)

.433 (8)

.375 (3)

Milwaukee

John Salmons,
Carlos Delfino

23.9 (8)

8.5 (7)

5.2 (7)

.415 (9)

.366 (4)

Charlotte

Stephen Jackson, Gerald Wallace

40.0 (1)

15.6 (1)

6.0 (5)

.459 (3)

.355 (5)

Miami

Dwyane Wade,
Quentin Richardson

33.9 (4)

9.4 (6)

7.5 (2)

.437 (6)

.338 (7)

The Raps swingman combination of DeRozan and Turkoglu come last or second to last in all of these major statistical categories outside of one.

If you look at the PER's for all of these players the stats don't get much better - both Hedo and DeMar are in the bottom half.

Player

PER

Lebron James

31.94

Dwyane Wade

27.46

Joe Johnson

19.79

Gerald Wallace

19.05

Paul Pierce

17.26

Luol Deng

17.14

Stephen Jackson

16.64

Vince Carter

15.82

Ray Allen

14.53

John Salmons

13.57

Hedo Turkoglu

13.56

Marvin Williams

12.81

Matt Barnes

12.73

Carlos Delfino

12.54

DeMar DeRozan

12.24

Kirk Hinrich

11.33

Quentin Richardson

11.13

Anthony Parker

9.69

Now, since CB4's injury Hedo has elevated his game, but there is no denying that the Raps are still not getting anywhere near the production from the wing as the other top Eastern Conference teams. If it is bad now, who is to say it won't be worse come playoff time when the likes of Johnson and Lebron take their games to the next level?

The simple fact is I am not sure how DD will respond when matched-up against the likes of the aforementioned Carter, Johnson or Allen (Parker less so) when they are playing for all the marbles. In prior match-ups each of these guys have essentially had their way with the rookie - which again is to be expected.

So what is the plan come playoff time? Will DeRozan still be the starter and get a set number of minutes? Can the Raps really imploy this strategy at the risk of losing in the first round of the playoffs once again? It would be one thing if DeMar was giving the team consistent production but right now he is a wild card. In all fairness it is true that the Raps have won more then they have lost with DD as the starter, but the playoffs are a different beast.

Of course this problem may not have an easy answer. It all depends on what the alternatives are to starting DeRozan. Would the Raps really be better served by seeing how the team performs with someone else starting at the two? Are Wright or Weems better alternatives and should they be getting heavier minutes? Perhaps more importantly, given the team's success this spring will play a factor in Bosh's decision making process, can the team afford not to give heavier minutes to a more consistent player?

Looking at the current roster Sonny Weems, Antoine Wright and to a lesser degree Marco Belinelli are the only true alternatives. Starting both Calderon and Jack at the same time would drastically change the rotation as well as put the Raps at a big disadvantage size wise.

There is a case to be made for each of these players.

(P/40 - Points per 40 minutes, R/40 - Rebounds per 40 minutes, A/40 - Assists per 40 minutes)

Antoine Wright (PER 8.44, 12.1 P/40, 5.7 R/49, 2.3 A/40) - Wright has been a pleasant surprise after a bad start to the season. Early in the year he did a lot of talking and little to back it up. Lately? A completely different player. He has found his shot, has been a strong defender (even looking forward to the challenge of defending the likes of Lebron James), and has really carved out a role on this team. Wright has playoff experience, doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective and is the best rebounder (per/40) out of these three players. Don't discount the importance of the rebounding as the Raps have one of the weaker rebounding front courts in the Eastern Conference. If the old adage is true that defense wins championships then Wright may be the guy the Raps need to be imploring more often. The biggest knock on Wright? He has the lowest PER of the group.

Sonny Weems (PER 10.90, 14.0 P/40, 5.3 R/49, 3.0 A/40) - Weems has surpassed the expectations of most when he was acquired in the Delfino trade. He adds some much needed athleticism to the wing and has proven he is a NBA player. Like DeRozan however, Weems' play can be inconsistent at times. Actually, I think the Raps second unit would be better with Weems and DeRozan on the floor together. They obviously have strong chemistry on the court (stemming from their off the court friendship) and the second units of opposing teams would have a difficult time matching their abilities. To me pulling DeRozan from the starting line-up for Weems puts the team no further ahead. In Weems favour, he is effective without the ball and is an above average defender.  

Marco Belinelli (PER 12.95, 16.9 P/40, 3.4 R/49, 3.3 A/40) - Despite having the highest PER of any two-guard on the roster, Marco has found himself firmly entrenched on the end of the bench. Like DeRozan, Belinelli is incredibly inconsistent and when his shot is not falling it really impacts the rest of his game. Belinelli brings more of a scoring element to the table which is not exactly what the starting line-up needs. You can make an argument for Marco, it just isn't that strong of one.

I will be interested to hear the opinions of others, but if I am Jay Triano I have to think about starting Antoine Wright. His defense, hard-nosed attitude and, perhaps more importantly, his consistent play as of late, make him the best candidate for replacing DeRozan and getting more minutes as the playoffs arrive. He has also been a member of successful playoff teams.

Of course making a change in the starting line-up is not something you can do on a whim. If Antoine Wright, or someone else were to become the starter, it will take time for the team to adjust. If a change is going to be made it needs to be made now.

Having DeRozan in the starting line-up has worked thus far despite his struggles. The short term results have, overall, been positive despite his playing time being part of a long-term strategy.  The "regulated minutes" plan is just not something I care to see when the games actually count for much more.

To me Triano has to consider switching things up. This team needs more consistent production from its wing men to be successful in the playoffs and now is the time to see if he can get it - no matter the source, the paycheck, or the reputation. I don't see much downside to experimenting when DeRozan is providing so little at this point. Who knows what the results could be with someone else playing with the starters? It wouldn't take much for it to be better than it is right now.

I hope Triano is at least considering a move - the future of the team's best player may be riding on it.

 

Poll
Who should replace DeRozan in the starting line-up?
Antoine Wright
144 votes
Marco Belinelli
28 votes
Sonny Weems
74 votes
No-one. Keep DeRozan.
61 votes
Other
0 votes

307 votes | Poll has closed

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Great Post

I’m in favour of starting Wright for many of the reasons Howland laid out above, with Weems being a close second. The problem is, Toronto should never have started this Hoffa part II experiment to begin with and now it may be very hard to make a change. It would be interesting to see Toronto’s q by q production too because I have a feeling the raps are much better in the second and fourth then first and third. This too should suggest a change might be needed.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Mar 3, 2010 7:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Agree on all counts

I’m coming around to thinking that Wright is the best choice for the starting unit. DD has regressed of late. I think that moving him to the second unit could help him regain his confidence.

by cmrm123 on Mar 3, 2010 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

I do not think you can make the statement "Marco is inconsistent"

to make such statement you should give him Demar’s PT and see what he does. It is a similar reasoning used with Andrea during Smitch’s time as a coach. Moreover he is the only guard who can drive, possibly the best passer. It was not long ago he was part of the starting 5 with the best +/-. What has changed since is just his pt has been cut. While he does not just shoot, he is a shooter and like any shooter he needs to find a rythm and it does not seem to me he has been allowed to play trough mistakes… at all.

HE was playing around 20 minutes, then he got injured than he never plaid more than 8. Way to keep somebody hot. Well, Banks seems to be able to, good for him, I mean it.

by renato on Mar 3, 2010 8:46 AM EST reply actions  

I knew...

this was coming. There are not enough touches available for Marco to find a rhythm if he were inserted into the starting line-up. A case can me made that he needs more PT, but not with the starters.

I am positive that “marco is inconsistent” is a fact. Look at his box scores over the season.

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Mar 3, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s still a little bit ridiculous that Marco doesn’t play much at all. Last game, we saw Weems trying to be a playmaker, that was the worst thing I’ve ever seen. We all know Marco’s a crafty player, with a good, although streaky, shot and pretty good slashing and a very good passer. I don’t see what Triano’s problem is. Put the man back in the rotation, he went from being our SG in crunchtime to an end of the bench guy after he got injured. It’s stupid and quite frankly, it pisses me off. We all have those beautiful Beli to Bosh passes serving as a reminder for what he brings to the table.

by HDave on Mar 3, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem with Beli

Is that when he is on, he is a very effective player. He shoots well, he shares the ball, and he gets to the line aggressively. When he’s off, he feels the need to chuck the ball at every opportunity and he stops sharing the ball. The problem is that when he is off, he absolutely kills the offense.

Beli is in a catch 22. He seems to need minutes to get consistency but he’s too inconsistent to get consistent minutes.

What he needs to do is to be able to recognize when his shot is not falling and do other things on offense like share the ball and get to the line. If he does these things, he’ll get the minutes he needs to find his stroke.

by siggian on Mar 3, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s fair enough, I guess but we’re talking about a 23-24 year old here. He’s still pretty young. Like renato mentioned, not long ago, he was in the best lineup +/- wise. It’s a slump and a bit of rust coming back from injury. If an elite team like Denver can live and die by a game-changing chucker like JR Smith, why can’t the Raptors do the same with Belinelli. Now I know they’re completely different players, but I’m just trying to emphasize how the Nuggets KNOW if Smith’s shot isn’t falling, he’s gonna stink it up for however long he’s on the court. Marco does alot of things well. I remember a few games ago, he went like 1-6 or something from the field, but still got to the FT line like 8 times. That is him recognizing his niche on this team. What’s different between Triano and Don Nelson in terms of how they deal with Beli then? They both threw a young player with a lot of talent under the bus. We’re not talking abt some 30 year old journeyman. This is a young guy. Marco definitely does more good for the team than bad no matter how you look at it. If you take a large enough sample, I will stand by the fact that his impact is positive in the big picture. Weems isn’t perfect, he’s a bit of a chucker, but he gets applauded for that. Derozan’s been playing like sh*t for I dont even know how long now. I’ve lost track. Let Marco get in the game and create.

by HDave on Mar 3, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem with Beli

Is actually much simplier than that – 50% of his shots are taken with him jumping side ways for some ridiculous reason. Lately he’s been inserted at points where the game is already decided. Consequently, he tends not to take the game as seriously as he should; leading to more and more shots off of a dead run floating side ways. The kid can play and is not a defensive liability.
Nothwithstanding all of that, I’ve been saying all along that this team would be better served if Wright started. 75% of our losses can be directly attributed to poor defense, and a lock down defender, spot up shooter that does not take touches away from the “big” three drastically changes the game. And frankly, DD confidence would benefit from not playing the opposing teams starting gaurds.

by Mycall on Mar 3, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Beli

Some great points.

I agree that if Belinelli had 20 guaranteed minutes a game it would be a much better compare. However I also agree that while “he needs consistent minutes to BE consistent, he’s too inconsistent to get consistent minutes.” Off all the options at the 2, I find that yes, when Marco’s off, he’s the most detrimental to the team so it’s tough to argue that he should be the starter.

Plus I like the energy and offense he brings off the bench in the same manner as I prefer getting the hustle and D from Amir off the pine.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Mar 3, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I might’ve made it seem like I was lobbying for Marco to be a starter. All I meant to say is, he needs to be one of the first guys off the bench…simple as that. I know he isn’t the best choice as a starter. The issue is that he’s not even getting off the bench. He isn’t able to just play his game because he’s probably feeling the pressure knowing the 4 minutes he’s on the court will determine whether he ever gets back on the court in the game again. I don’t know how you let a guy with his playmaking and talent ride the pine for Derozan’s development. Twisted logic by Triano.

by HDave on Mar 3, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's turn the table and ask

What did he fail to do to fall completely off the rotation? have DD, Weems or Whright proved to be better overall players? What has the guy done not to be given a chance? I understand his chance to be a rookie was in GS but he did not get there the chance DD got in TO and that is a fact. Isn’t he worth it any investment? I find it hard to believe it.

by renato on Mar 3, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure what happened..

somehow this conversation has gone sideways. Everyone is in agreement that Beli should be get time, just not as a starter. The entire piece is on whether or not we’re getting consistent production from the starting SG spot. If we’re not getting consistent production then we should atleast aim for consistent defense, which is why i gather most are leaning towards Wright.

by Mycall on Mar 3, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He cannot bring it off the bench of he is DNP

maybe they keep him glued to bring a spark TO the bench??

by renato on Mar 3, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo

Thats my point right there

by HDave on Mar 3, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You make a good case for Wright, and I agree it would be nice to see Weems and Derozan sharing more court time.

I voted for Marco. I think he has a more complete package of skills (passing, ballhandling) than Wright – who I think is also inconsistent offensively – and I haven’t really had complaints about his defensive abilities. It also leaves Wright to provide leadership off the bench, and a better fit to sub for Turkoglu at SF.

An obvious downside, however, is that it would squeeze DD out of the rotation entirely. This would not be a good thing long term. Still, I think it’s better to make some sort of change now rather than waiting for the playoffs.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

To be honest

It is quite common to use the beginning of the season to give rookies experience and then go with the best players for the playoffs.

by renato on Mar 3, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s basically what I was thinking. There was that whole idea about how if you take him out of the starting lineup now, it makes a rookie like Derozan think he’s the problem and it’s terrible for his confidence. Not saying I agree with it, but I do think Triano knows Derozan isn’t the best possible starter at the SG spot, but he’s sticking with him just to ensure the kid’s confidence doesn’t go down the drain.

How cute. Wish he cared about all his players that way.

by HDave on Mar 3, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I’m agreeing here with Howland: if there is a change there’s going to be an adjustment period, and there’s no time left for adjustment if you wait until the playoffs start.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Mar 3, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think when Jay tightens the rotation a bit more, DD will drop out.

Ideally, I think that the next two games might be DD’s last starting games if he plays well. If he doesn’t, he might get a few more to sort himself out if the Raptors are able to win the next two. The rationale behind taking him out if he has a couple of good games and leaving him in if he doesn’t is to make him feel like he’s over the rookie wall, which is what a couple of good games will do. If Jay takes him out now, he’ll feel like he’s crashed into the wall and is now a flaming wreck.

by siggian on Mar 3, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Changed my mind

Up until two weeks ago I was all for keeping DeRozan where he is, but last two weeks have changed my mind.
No fault of his, as you pointed out they all hit that rookie wall.

I go back to training camp where Triano stated players will have to earn their minutes. To me, Weems and Wright have stepped up. Wright would be the safer choice, Weems brings the same athleticism that Demar has.

by Tinmann on Mar 3, 2010 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

I think the “earn the minutes” is a key piece here. A good follow-up question for Jay actually next time we attend a game.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Mar 3, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Earn the Minutes

I can’t see how Jay would answer this question. The fact is that no one on this team earns their minutes. Anyone who argues against this is really drinking the kool aid. I am constantly flabergasted by the odd substitutions and DD getting a starting spot. Many argue that games are not won or lost in the first quarter, so DD starting is fine. This however is not the case, the Raps tend to dig themselves into holes early and spend the rest of the game playing catchup. I also think that this is not the way to develop the rookie. When players are rookie starters, they are usually polished enough to handle this situation. DD is no where near this point and should not start, it’s as simple as that. Why does it take a poll on this site to spark a dialogue about this when it has been evident all season long. It also makes you wonder what the coaching staff and front office are trying to accomplish by ignoring the most rudimentary basketball logic.

by PNUTZ on Mar 3, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget

We were doing good for several weeks, there was no need to discuss changes. You don’t mess with winning.

by Tinmann on Mar 3, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The issue is that they wanted to make sure Didi was getting a set number of minutes and starting him ensured that. I know that the concept of giving him 20 minutes a game off the bench hasn’t occurred to anyone in the Raptor organization but hey what do I know.

by McGateway on Mar 4, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

How to manage the transition

The tough part of this is that the Raptors brain trust has invested a lot of their credibility in DeMar being a part of the starting line-up. Jay especially, but even BC, have decreed that it is best for the team if DD starts. They will have to find a way to climb down from this position. The most plausible explanation that I can think of would be to say that with the current losing streak they need to make a change to shake things up and get the team back on track. Then they have to hope like hell that they win some games after making the change, or they really have some ’splainin to do.

If there is going to be a change, I’d favour Bellinelli in the starting line-up while Bosh is out and Wright in the starting line-up when Bosh gets back. As others mentioned, play Weems and DeRozan together on the second unit as they have good chemistry. Also, if you sell the idea to DeRozan as getting to play more minutes with his buddy Weems then it is probably easier for him to swallow the demotion.

After a couple of weeks in the second unit, Jay will have to make the call as to whether he is thriving there or whether he should be dropped right out of the regular rotation. That might be an even tougher debate.

by DW19 on Mar 3, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Regarding "Our wings vs. theirs"

I just want to point out that because a lot of the Raptors’ point production comes from Bosh and Bargnani then it is logical that the wings would contribute less(there is only one ball after all). There is no excuse for the low rebounds, but you would expect stats like PER that are influenced by scoring to be lower for our wing players.

by DW19 on Mar 3, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Actually Per isn’t as influenced by scoring as you might think. It is based on projected production over 40 minutes. Thus a player who averages 15 minutes a game and gets 8 points, 3 rebounds and 3 assists will have a much higher per then they would if they played 35 minutes (typically players can play at full bore when they are part timers as opposed to starters who have to maintain their energy throughout the game). It is one of things I dislike about PER as it is based on what might happen as opposed to actual production. If yall recall, Hump last year was 50th in the league in PER before he went down with injury. Tells you all you need to know.
I still think the Raptors should consider taking a flier on Finley as having a veteran on the team might give them a boast come playoff time. Maybe it is too much to ask of Finley (and its just wishful thinking on my part) but I don’t think it will a complete disaster to try.
Baring any changes, it goes without saying that Wright should be the starter come playoff time. I am not sure how much time they will take to get used to each other as its not like Wright has just joined the team and he plays a lot off the ball without making too many demands on the Off so I really do not see a huge adjustment period here. Moving DD to the bench to play with the second unit would actually take more of an adjustment.

by McGateway on Mar 3, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

One final Point

I will concede that the Raptors are better off at the wing position this year then they have been the last few years. Turk may be under performing but his low was Moon’s and Joey’s ceiling.

by McGateway on Mar 3, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

If Jay has lost faith in Demar, I think an argument could be made for either Antoine or Marco. Antoine gives you better defense and his shot has been falling of late. But with Marco, he gives you so much offensively. He makes smart choices in deciding when to be aggressive in driving to the basket or making the difficult pass in the lane. Sonny is only effective if the defense has broken down, Antoine has shown he can’t break down the defense but is a nice option from beyond the 3pt line. Marco is capable of both and if opposing teams respect that fact, it makes the offense that much more potent even if his shot is inconsistent.

As far as defense, Sonny is bigger and defends better than Marco, but I think it was kind of telling when Jay sat him in the final mins of the 3Q in the HOU game and put Antoine back in for the rest of the game. FWIW, I would vote for Antoine, but I’d make Marco his backup instead of Demar.

I’m kind of an outsider (being a Warriors fan), but I’ve enjoyed watching the Raptors all season long.

by DomoKun on Mar 3, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

There is a valid reason why Marco sits while Weems and Wright play……..it is called Defense. This team does not need more Offense so Marco sits while the better defensive players play. All this talk about +/- is just that, talk. Plus minus is such a misleading stat. Marco will have a positive +/- because he plays limited minutes against 2nd units (or deep benches in blowouts). If he started it would fall to something more in line with the rest of the team so stop pointing at his +/- as a sign that he is a good defender. I do not get where all this love for a guy who couldn’t play in a system where guards are favoured (GS) and got shipped to Toronto for Devean freaking George. I am not saying he is a bust but your love for him is a little unwarranted.

by McGateway on Mar 4, 2010 7:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here. That +/- stat was being mentioned alot when Marco was a big part of the rotation. He was regularly getting playing time against the other team’s FIRST UNIT. It is only after his injury that he’s been playing against deep benches and/or 2nd units. Think Lakers game…who was on the court for the Raptors at SG? Marco. Who made a couple of big deflections with the shot clock winding down? Marco. Who was making those gorgeous passes to CB4? Marco. He’s no elite defensive player by any means, but give the guy some credit. He’s no Jose either. Your whole point is wrong based on the simple fact that you think he’s been playing against 12th men this whole season. Look back at the games more, you’ll be surprised to find how many times he’s been in the lineup when the game is on the line. His above average +/- is NOT because of the reasons you claim. I think most people would agree with me on that.

by HDave on Mar 4, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I do not get where all this love for a guy who couldn’t play in a system where guards are favoured (GS) and got shipped to Toronto for Devean freaking George. I am not saying he is a bust but your love for him is a little unwarranted.

So GS felt Marcos skillset was comparable to a player past his prime (if he had one). Thats gotta explain why GS ended up trading Jax and Crawford for Speedy and an injured Raja Bell. Nellie failed in converting SGs like Marco, Jamal and Jackson to point, and they became expendable after Curry fell in his lap. I liked how Rocky played while he was at GS and I liked how he handled the ball and played the pick-and-roll (which was rare for GS then and even now) and I followed his play here because I thought he had something to offer the Raptors. Guess I was wrong.

by DomoKun on Mar 4, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hedo & Carter..

Somehow felt this needed to be said.. Many of us never actually watched many Orlando games, in most cases we only saw the "Hedo Highlights"; which became our frame of reference. But statistically he’s not a great deal different than last year’s version. For comparison if you recall, our neighbours to the south only saw Vince highlights and thought the world of him while so many here were questioning "where was the heart/ defense".. He goes to NJ and there are weekly discussions around his porous defense. What I’m saying is, its possible that we’ve allowed a few big game highlights to frame our expectations of Hedo. I suspect (hope) he’ll get more consistent but the reality is we probably shouldn’t expect much more.

by Mycall on Mar 3, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

Without CBA and With Evans and Rasho

The Raptors entire offense goes to sheet.

Bargnani, Calderon and DeRozan were the biggest beneficiaries of of having CB4 in th lineup and geting double teamed in the post all game long.

Rasho and especially Evans slow the offense down terribly and the Raptors suffer accordingly.

by Buddahfan on Mar 3, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Reggie Evans dirtiest player in NBA

Reggie Evans picked up a rather dubious honour Tuesday. In an informal poll of 173 of the NBA’s almost 450 players conducted by Sports Illustrated, the Raptors power forward was named “the dirtiest player” by 21 per cent of the respondents. Evans hadn’t played a game this season when the poll was conducted because of injury but still beat out Ron Artest of the L.A. Lakers, who was second at 13 per cent. Sacramento’s Andres Nocioni was third, Cleveland’s Anderson Varejao fourth and Kobe Bryant of the Lakers rounded out the top five.
The three-day break Toronto has between Monday’s game in Houston’s and Friday’s at home against New York is the longest streak of inactivity the Raptors have between now and the end of the regular season April 14.

by Davl on Mar 4, 2010 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

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