Tip-In: Toronto Raptors Post Game Report - When is a win less than a win?
In a game that mirrored that in New Jersey just a few nights ago, the Raps managed to secure the must needed win against a lesser opponent.
Having won two games in a row the team now heads into arguably the most important stretch of games this season.
Here's the good news - the Raps had to win the last two games and they did exactly that.
Here's the bad news - the wins have hardly provided any evidence that they are back on the right track, in particular last night against the Wolves.
In the first 24 minutes the game was sloppy and the Wolves battled the Raps to a draw. Minnesota actually looked pretty good early on as they refused to settle for jumpers, constantly fed the guys on the blocks and did just enough to stay in the game. The Raps on the other hand, had a hard time getting into any sort of groove.
Early in the second half it looked like things had changed and the Raps were going to put the game to bed late in the third quarter. The Raps started the second half on fire while the Wolves, much like the Nets just a couple of nights before, started to show their true colours. Chris Bosh had a strong third quarter and it looked like the game was in hand...but as quick as the Raps had built up a double digit lead they let that lead fizzle.
The fourth quarter was a battle and the game was not decided until the last few possessions. What happened? The Raps let their guard down, in particular on the defensive end, and the Wolves took advantage putting up 32 points in the last 12 minutes of action. The Raps were slow closing out on the perimeter and Minnesota simply hit the open shots.
This game never should have been this close and to be honest I was shocked that the Wolves battled back. What was even more surprising is that Minnesota managed to stay in the game despite the Raps getting stronger performances from the likes of Andrea Bargnani and Hedo Turkoglu (in crunch time).
If you measure the strong all-around effort from the Toronto team against the tight result how is one supposed to feel? Do you feel good because they got the win or concerned because they needed to battle one of the league's bottom feeders right to the end to get it? Sure it's a win, but it was far from impressive. Your view on last night's outcome will likely be determined by whether you are generally an optimist or a pessimist.
One thing that cannot be disputed however is that the biggest difference between this game and the last was the quality effort the Raps got from Andrea Bargnani. After some lackluster performances as of late Andrea played one of his best games in weeks. Il Mago was not only in a groove offensively but he was also active on the glass and managed to contribute in a variety of ways including 4 assists and 2 steals. Do you think his performance was tied to this article? Not exactly a rave review of the former number one pick but last night he played like one.
The Raps also got very strong efforts from their stable of swingmen - DeMar DeRozan, Sonny Weems and Antoine Wright all played good games. Weems was a real spark plug off the bench, DeRozan scored in double digits and Antoine Wright had a clutch three when the game was in doubt.
Last night was just an odd game. The Raps played well and yet needed some clutch plays and poor execution by the Wolves in the final moments to get the W. The win is an important one, but what is more important is what they do with it. Can the aforementioned Bargnani use this game as a turning point for the home stretch? Can the team start to get a consistent effort? Will they use these wins to build momentum or are these past two W's nothing more than an inevitable result against some brutal competition?
It's usually a loss that results in unanswered questions - but last's night's win seems to have had the same effect. Lucky for Raps fans it won't take long for these questions to be answered. The Raps next few games against teams actually in the playoff picture (Utah and Denver) should tell us all we need to know.
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How disturbing...
… was that article on NBA.com. This quote blew my mind:
Bargnani is asked how he gets beat on the boards.
“Being lazy maybe,” he says. “That’s the only reason it can be. I’ve got the body, I’ve got everything to take 10 rebounds a game. It’s just sometimes I get lazy.”
Umm…. I guess the first step is admitting you have a problem. But to all the Bargani appologists, there are no excuses now. Even Bags recognizes his deficiencies rest on him and his work ethic – or lack there of.
If this was his first season...
then these comments would be less of a concern. The scary part is he has been in the league for a handful of years now and has a nice new contract. Is this a habit he can kick? Does he have the mental toughness or desire to bring it every night?
These are pretty important questions heading into the off-season.
Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Mar 23, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Bargs Interview with Coach
We have to give Bargs some slack with the interviews, I crack up whenever anyone interview Bargs because he does not have a good angle on the English language as yet, so he uses words that he knows and we all know how that can go. Last I almost died when Jack ask Bargs the reason why he was able to do so well tonight compared to the last game
Bargs response….CB4 had a great game, sometimes you have to step back and let other players do their thing ….or something to that effect, I almost died laughing….
Unreal
I read that and my blood pressure went up 200%. Renato, it’s this kind of stuff that drives me wild because I KNOW the talent is there. And then a game like last night just reinforces it! Without Andrea that would have been an ugly loss! No reason he can’t be that aggressive each night.
And did anyone hear him post-game with Jack? He basically said that Bosh and Jack were playing well the other night, so he didn’t feel he was needed in terms of contributing.
WTF!!! YOU ALMOST LOST TO THE NETS!!!
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Mar 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He actually said that?
Was he sarcastic?
To make $50M and admit he is too lazy proves he didn’t deserve the long term contract extention. This is what drives me crazy about sports in general. You look at guys (In any major sport) in the final year of their contract and they go bananas…they sign a big contract and get “lazy”. Not signing these contracts isn’t really an option as you will never sustain long tem success but these high paid prima donnas really piss me off.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 23, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he was serious. I read it in a “admittedly I’m lazy sometimes” sort of way. An honest admission. But that doesn’t make it any better.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Mar 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, words fail me at the moment
Ladies and gentlemen, your franchise player next year. The futur is so bright, I gotta wear shades.
Bang On
Can’t agree more and it makes me 100% depressed.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Mar 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Franchise player
Sorry you have that one wrong….Bosh is our Franchise player next year…..Didn’t Vince say something like that before…Honesty is not a bad thing….Jay Triano is the one with the problem he needs to get Bargs to change is work ethic and that is not a hard thing to do……..So people give Bargs some slack…He doesn’t speak English well, I am sure if he did he would lie and then we would never know what the problem is….at least now we do…….and next move is to fix the problem…..Remember when Andrea was a skinny lenky kid….and he went a beef up over a couple of summer…problem solved….now he just has to stop being lazy which riding the bench can fix in a minute.
Bargnani is lazy and that is Triano’s fault??? That’s funny. You would think 10 million dollars a season would be motivation enough to grab a board or 8 without the benefit of having your coach ride your ass.
And I’m going to say it now, Bosh will be in New York next season. You all can ridicule me next year if I’m wrong. But something tells me I’m not.
They say the true measure of a winning team is how much they win by especially against weaker teams. That is one of the key metrics in Hollinger’s team rankings. The Raptors squeaked by two of the worst teams in the league which does not bode well.
thats not accurate…a W is a W what if they would have come from behind by 20 and win at the buzzer would that weigh more…Win by 1 or W by 20 it is still a W in the left column they do not put score. I would have taken a W against Philly a week ago no matter how they get it at the end of the season its the W that counts not the score.
I think you are missing the point. The point isn’t that they won which is great in some respects but that they barely beat two of the worst teams in the league, including one that might hit the mark for worst team ever. If you can say “Hey, we lost to the Lakers because Kobe hit a last second impossible shot and therefore we can be proud of that loss” then it works both ways. Otherwise losing to the Lakers is still a loss, whether we lose by 50 or 1. The Raptors should be smoking teams like NJ and Minnesota. I expect one those teams to put up a fight but when all things are equal, Toronto should win by at least double digits if you expect me to believe they have any shot of calling themselves a good team.
LOL
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Mar 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
A win is a win
The last 2 games were wins. How they got the win is irrelevant. I would be concerned had they had lost the games . Right now, they should use that small 2 game win streak as motivation playing against playoff teams. They could potentially make it into the 6th spot; however, they could also make the 9th spot.
No kidding – Bulls suddenly coming together again so Raps need to fight ot the finish.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Mar 23, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s getting tougher and tougher to hear the same lines over and over again…‘will X player use this game as turn around game?’ will this win/loss be the turning point for X player?’.
seems all season we’ve been waiting for X player to turn things around. too many X players on this team. and crazily enough most of them are in the still in the starting line up.
Here here.
Franchise and I were talking about how the same issues have plagued this team all year long and there has been little, if any, evidence that things will change.
It is getting repetitive and frankly very annoying.
Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Mar 23, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
And not just this year. The same issues have plagued this team for the past…um…half a decade? The only one that I think that’s really been addressed is free-throw attempt issue. That one existed in the Mike James era and shortly after that too at the start of Colangelo’s reign. The club was always a great free-throw shooting team, but rarely got to the line. With Bosh rounding into form, Andrea improving in this capacity, and guys like Jack, Weems and DeRozan, this has improved.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Mar 23, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly, it’s part of the reason I’m reading fewer Rap blogs.. it’s the same ol same ol.. I did a bit of a trick a while back. I only looked at the boxscores of games I didn’t watch on TV and predicted what the analysis of what all the bloggers/papers would say and was pretty much bang on. SO why read the blogs?? I’ll just read the boxscores.
Raps suck, watch the NCAA (any team) if you want to see effort
Any #1-3 seed (including the now defunct Kansas) would beat the Raps. Easy. By 15 points.
A good match-up: Raps vs. Northern Iowa. Final: UNI: 70, Raps: 65 (NCAA rules, of course)
by Original Aaron on Mar 23, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah ok buddy.
If anything, playing by the NCAA rules (35 second shot clock) would be to the detriment of the college team because the NBA players would be able to more effectively tire out and break down anything that gets thrown their way. How the hell would Norther Iowa guard the 2some of Bosh and Bargnani?
Oh I like jokes!
Is it just me or...
Are you guys freaking out a little too much in regards to bargnani’s comments? I’m pretty sure it’s not all on bargnani when it comes to the current downturn of the raptor’s results. He knows he’s got the skills (the hard part) all he has to do is fix his mindset (easier to do) to be aggressive all the time vs. occasionally. I’m sure he knows that he’s gotta fix himself if he wants to help encourage bosh to stay.
It is also of my opinion that we will see a much more motivated Bargs when the playoffs come along…even if we don’t win the series.
Who is to say...
Bargs wants Bosh to stay? Maybe he wants to try and be option 1A?
Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Mar 23, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And that will work out well, I’m sure…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Mar 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
are you kidding me? Bargs could not do anything while Bosh was injured. He depends on Bosh to get the double away from him….He wants Bost to stay believe me.
Bargs wanting Bosh to stay
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I believe Andrea said recently (during Bosh’s injury / time off ), that “we need CB back” – or something to that effect. I think he knows Chris is still the main guy. Andrea has never displayed … “I’m the best” type of arrogance.
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As for his lazy comment, Bargnani still seems to have problems with the language. Fact is, certain members on the team have issues with the English language. Jose “ole” Calderon, Hedo “Ball” Turknogluguy, Andrea “putanoman” Bargnani, and Reggie “eeeeeee” Evans (I have a hard time listening to his interviews – it’s like scratching a chalk board).
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by RapthoseLeafs on Mar 23, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to remember this comment.
Love to be wrong but I’ve seen nothing consistently from Andrea to suggest this motivation will occur in a consistent fashion come playoff time.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Mar 23, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Lost in translation?
Maybe “lazy” translates to “concerned with my hair” in Italian?
(i.e. I’m too concerned with my hair to get rebounds)

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