Tip-In - Toronto Raptors' Post Game - Just Enough
A resurgent Washinton Wizards team entered into the ACC after besting the Denver Nuggets the other night, but the Toronto Raptors held on for the 109-104 win. The Raptors had to scrap it out for this one and Raptors HQ has the recap.
Hedo Turkoglu is like a box of chocolates.
Or is he like Forrest Gump?
For most of the game, Hedo put in a fairly decent performance. If you simply looked at his stat line, (16 pts, 6 reb, 5 ast) you'd probably think Turkoglu had a strong game and is rounding back into form. At least, that's what most of the Raptors broadcasting crew would like you to believe. Don't get me wrong. Turkoglu is playing exponentially better than he was a month ago, but there is still plenty in need of polish. Besides missing a fairly straightforward dunk, Hedo almost single handedly lost the game for the Raptors when the Dinos kept putting the ball into his hand. Of course, with ball in hand, Turkoglu consistently hogged the ball and looked for his own ill-timed shots exclusively down the stretch. Then again, he also rebounded the ball on a missed Jarrett Jack layup to seal the game.
So yes, like a box of chocolates.
In any case, the Raptors pulled out a win and I don't really have a good taste in my mouth thanks to how it all played itself out. The good parts were definitely there with Antoine Wright once again providing some surprising offense from the bench while also doing a serviceable job on newly acquired Wizard, Josh Howard. Howard lit up the Raptors in the beginning of the game before Wright was inserted. As Howard dictated the pace, the Raptors had to shoot at an incredibly high efficiency rate just to remain withing striking distance. Everyone on the Raptors got in on the scoring before finally being able to slow down the Wizards in the second. Rasho Nesterovic once again was an anchor in the absence of Chris Bosh and Jarrett Jack's offense always seemed readily available.
It was good enough even to put up a seven point lead going into the half.
And all of this despite allowing the Wizards to score 57 points for the first half.
As any Raptor fan knows though, this was simply a recipe for disaster. Invariably, the Raptors would encounter a portion of the game where their shots wouldn't fall. The other team, still smoking hot thanks to the lack of defense, would come charging back to overtake the Raptors. The Raptors would then need to grit it out for a win.
It's not a pattern of an Eastern Conference contender, but it is what our Raptors team done throughout the year. It's definitely a habit that's often reared its head when the Raptors have played a sub .500 team and unless they clean it up, there will little chance for the Raptors to win a seven game playoff series.
Just to emphasize ineffective the Raptors' defense was, Washington managed to get 18 more scoring opportunities than the Raptors. This was even with the Raptors out rebounding the Wizards by four and only making one more turnover.
However the Raptors turned the tables on the Wizards.
It was almost too late. The Wizards had turned the corner and all the momentum seemed to be lost before the Raptors figured things out. The Wizards had made a couple of fatal errors. First of all, they started going away from Andray Blatche, who was the hot hand in the second half. He scored 14 points in the third quarter but had preciously few scoring opportunities in the fourth despite his proficiency.
The second error was that the Wizards made their comeback too soon. In the fourth, the Raptors figured things out and started to play some tougher defense. Suddenly, rotations were better, Bargnani was registering some key blocks down the stretch, and the Raptors managed to keep rebounding the ball despite having a small lineup. In an extremely surprising move, Jay Triano placed Bargnani up front with Turkoglu and Antoine Wright as forwards. He then also placed Jose Calderon and Jarrett Jack on the floor to create one of the weakest rebounding lineups possible. However, Bargnani held his own on several key stops and Turkoglu grabbed an important rebound in the final minute to close out the game so Triano's gamble worked for one night.
When the Raptors stayed pat after the deadline, there were many of us disappointed that Bryan Colangelo did not take an opportunity to move some contracts to possibly gain some draft picks or at least some more experienced wingmen. One person I'm very glad that he's kept has got to be Rasho Nesterovic. From the onset, there was nothing but upside towards signing the big Slovanian center. He had proven his worth to the Raptors organization previously with his professional attitude and his utilitarian abilities At the time, I thought the Raptors got a huge bargain and now he's proving himself to be quite invaluable.
Over the course of the season so far, Colangelo's best moves of last summer have been his more subtle moves. Reggie Evans, Sonny Weems, Amir Johnson, and Jarrett Jack were all mostly thought of as "spare parts" to the entire team. It's ironic then, that the Raptors find all of these players invaluable while their most publicized signing, Hedo Turkoglu, still has trouble justifying the money the Raptors have allocated towards him. With only a few more months until the playoffs begin, it's time Turkoglu justified his salary and his place on the roster. The Raptors have already used the excuse of needing to develop chemistry and the need to rest his injuries. Turkoglu himself has said that he needs the ball in his hand more often. As the days tick down, the Raptors will have fewer opportunities to finally get Turkoglu on track. And with Chris Bosh out of the lineup, now is the time to prove that you're one of the Alpha Dogs of the Raptors and to show that you really deserve the ball as much as you say you do.
Otherwise, it's time to learn how to play differently, yet efficiently on the current roster.
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pulling it out all year – kinda thought they were more likely in 2010 versus 2009.
Interesting you didn’t mention Bargs here – those two huge blocks in the dying possessions of the Wiz were crucial for the win, I thought.
Uh, I did.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 21, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
One of the biggest wins of the year
I think winning without your best player on the court is a moral booster. The Wizards’ game proved to inject confidence in the players, that they won’t implode without Bosh. The Wizards are an upgraded team that are no push-overs. I knew that the Raptors were not going to be able to sustain a high shooting percentage going into the 3rd quarter… It’s the nature of the game
Much credit should go to Jarrett Jack for excuting down the stretch by driving to the bucket. I haven’t seen him play that type of inspired ball, since Calderon went down with an injury last year.
However, when Bosh is re-inserted into the lineup they need to make a concerted effort to play steady in every quarter. They cannot have lapses on defense where they forget to grab a rebound. I would like to see Andrea become more active presence down-low and limit second chance opportunties for opposing teams.
Agree
I actually thought this was a good win. No Bosh, a revived Washington squad…this could have been an L and Toronto fought through it.
by Adam Francis on Feb 21, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
We Are What We Are
Not sure I understand why there is so much negativity.
We are not a championship team at this point…BUT we are playing significantly better, are one of the hottest teams right now (yes the schedule has been easier but it all evens out) and are on pace to win in the high 40’s games this year….did anyone expect more after the last horrible season.
We are not a great defensive team…BUT are vastly improved from earlier in the year. How is the fact that the Wiz took 18 more shots a sign of bad defense? We outrebounded them and committed the same number of turnovers. The reasons for the shot discrepency are: 1. We were getting to the free throw line (a good thing) and 2. They were throwing up useless last second shot attempts every quarter (great clock management).
Why the hate on Turk. Yes we overpaid him but the contract is what it is. We can’t take it back so lets not complain when he plays well. Yes the ball was in his hands but he only committed two turnovers all game, made two of his last three shots down the stretch and had 4 rebounds in the fourth quarter…nothing to complain about.
I think some of my Hedo vitrol has seeped over to Vicious D ha ha. I thought Hedo was solid last night too; he took a few terrible shots like usual and his D was pretty weak (Howard killed the Raps early until Wright was put in) but he also made some big baskets down the stretch to help get the W.
And to your point cmrm123 – the Raps are indeed what I expected this season; however a few wins in their next 3 matches could really change that.
by Adam Francis on Feb 21, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agree w/ Blanco
That was a tremendously exciting, character-showing win, against a very athletic team, without our franchise player. The last six minutes (winning time) might have been the best of the season.
One of the best things about it for me was how pumped CB4 looked on the bench. When we talk about things that might contribute to him wanting to stay or go in the offseason, my guess is that every game like this one gives us a better chance to re-sign him.
I know some of the HQ has taken a very public position that the Jack-Calderon-Turkoglu lineup is a mistake. But last night it worked great and turned a loss into a win. Maybe it depends on whether CB4 is in the lineup?
In any event, I would have written this post very differently. You really can’t say enough about Jarrett Jack. The team had no offense, so he took it upon himself with a 7-0 run when down 100-91. Hitting all four FTs was huge. Then, Hedo made several huge plays down the stretch — the hip-check on the inbounds pass that turned into a three point play that gave the Raptors the lead was a great example of his high BBIQ. His cuts and drives had good authority and he finished around the rim with both hands. He also showed that drive-across-the-lane-ten-footer a few times.
Quote "That was a tremendously exciting, character-showing win, against a very athletic team, without our franchise player. " Considering that Washington doesn’t have a franchise player right now, this statement is crazy. Even without CB4, the Raptors have enough talent to crush teams like this. I have heard of seeing the glass as half full but this is like calling an empty glass half full. Remember, this is what your team will look like next year if Bosh does not resign. I would be very concerned if I were you.
I think being down by 9 in the last 6 minutes and coming back to win is both tremendously exciting and shows character. Should we have been down by 9 to the Wizards? No, definitely not. But they are kind of a poor-man’s-Hawks right now, the kind of super-athletic team that presents a tough match up for our boys.
I am definitely concerned about a post-CB4 future. You need an Alpha Dog in this league, and teams that don’t have one have zero chance to make a deep playoff run. I think this roster minus Bosh would be lottery-bound—struggling to beat mediocre (or worse) teams. Of course, one hopes that BC would get something back for CB4, or use the cap space to find SOMEONE at the 2 or 4 spots. I think hoping and praying that Amir somehow becomes the next Bosh is like putting your savings on a 50-1 longshot.
Triangle of Death played well I question Was it because of no Bosh being NO 1 option on Offense?
and anchoring the Defense?
I don’t even know what to think now about the Triangle of Death! They got this win along with Andrea’s shot blocking!
by Adam Francis on Feb 21, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Finding ways to win
Horrible, horrible start to the game at least on D. Plus ca change…
Have we now beaten the “back to back” curse with victories over the Nets and Wiz(albeit a re-energized Wiz team)?
Offence seemed to move away from Bargnani in the second half. His blocks were huge down the stretch. Turned the game around.
Cut Hedo some slack. Team is winning. Ugly? Sure, but team is winning. He is our “ace in the hole” waiting to be played.
Jack looked out of control making them buckets at the end. Tunnel visioned. Was very close to being the goat.
not a good post
I agree with everyone here, the negativity of this post is confusing.hell what would had happened if they lost cause by the way you wrote this it seems that they did.and complaining about hedo when I think he played a good game overall makes no sense..ya he had the ball and looking for his shot a lot umm hello that’s what we brought him in for was for that reason and he still dished out assists.if we would have lost it would have hurt but teams lose look at the cavs..they got smoked by the bobcats,they were at full strength and the cats are in like 7th place in the east.I don’t think their panaking yet.idk maybe posting more positive things on a great game and a great team win would have been better than acting like we lost by 30 like the 76ers last nite..damn I’d hate to be a philly fan right now lol
by sherwin316 on Feb 21, 2010 12:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
By the way
I thought Amir, Sonny and Reggie all showed their limitations last night. This isn’t to say they haven’t performed way above expectations this year — they have (well, Amir and Sonny have; let’s give Reggie an ‘incomplete’). But playing well against backups is not the same as performing well against the opponent’s starters. This is one reason the “why isn’t Weems starting instead of Hedo” talk is a little crazy.
Anyways, what am I going to do for the next three days? I guess it’s Olympics until the Portland game. Oh, I guess there’s my job and family as well.
Totally agree Aaron
I saw that as well. Amir, Sonny, Reggie make a fantastic bench, but its tough on them when they have to move up a peg in minutes played, talent level of the opposition and role/responsibilities. Speaking of the bench, where the hell is Bellinelli? That guy has fallen off a cliff to oblivion! Hey, I totally agree with it (Weems and Wright simply bring more to the table at this point) but his decline to the dog house has been quick!
I talked about this last night. Still think Sonny and Marco could use a bit more run when the offense goes cold, but yes, Evans missed some GIMMIES around the rim and Amir had his issues as well.
Bottom line for me is that this game showed why these guys should all be COMPLEMENTING Bosh, not trying to replace him constantly.
by Adam Francis on Feb 21, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hedo
Man, you guys are stubborn.
You made up your mind you hate Hedo and you won’t let, you know, facts get in the way of your arguments. Take away his first game back from worrying about his mom, he’s been on a major role. Last night, it was he along with Jack and AB that were the reason we won.
We also need to move away from the money discussions. It’s getting annoying. There is a place and time for salary discussions, such as trade time or cap space considerations. But on a game to game basis, I could give a rats ass what a player makes. What I care about is what he brings to the floor. The fact he is overpaid (which i don’t necessarily agree with) has no bearing on how many shots he made, how many opportunities he created. You need to give it a rest.
I was glad when I read the comments to see that most agree with me. It’s time to move beyond the summer of 2009 and deal with how he Hedo is currently performing.
Congratulations to Washington. I think they did a great job remaking their team. They are better than their record. They got a steal in Al Thornton and will be a very touch match up down the stretch. I’m glad we don’t have to play them again.
Great character win.
by Zona. on Feb 21, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Zona – I get your point, and I try not to go off on Hedo too much (even gave him props in the rapid recap) but two solid games for me doesn’t make a “roll.” I need to see this on a consistent basis – no different than how I viewed Bosh last year or Andrea this year. Hedo is still far too ineffective for his salary and I think that’s what drives a lot of fans nuts.
Yes, there’s nothing we can do about that now – but there IS a lot Hedo can do about his effort each and every night. Here’s to hoping that the last two games are the start of his end-of-season redemption.
by Adam Francis on Feb 21, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
A few comments...
Great win, great win.
- Jack is special. He posesses that competitive fire and inate leadership skills. You can tell others on the team look to him and follow his lead and enthusiasm. Absolute steal by BC at $5 mil per year.
- My issue with Turk (er I mean Bol) is that he has been shifting blame for his sub-par play all season, claiming he doesn’t get the ball enough. However, he touches the rock and initiates the offense almost 80% of the time when he’s on the court… I just don’t get his rationale… What concerns me is Hedo can rarely beat his man off the dribble and expects to get bailed out by the refs on every drive. I seriously think he needs to loose about 20 pounds to be at his best. He’s playing too heavy right now and his quickness is limited.
- Bargani, Bargani, Bargani! I must say his play down the stretch defensively was boarderline spectacular! Though, even with CB4 out he has still only managed 6 rebounds in each of the two games… need more than that from your starting centre. But again, those blocks changed the game and were (in my opinion) key to the win.
I believe the Raps must make an investment on Andrea
and develop him as a legit go to guy. He does not need development from a technical stand point but he needs “pushing”. Yesterday was an example. He has shown he could torch WAS at will and he was ( and let himself to be) mostly ignored in the second half. he is as much to blame as the coaching staff. Actually the coaching staff is even more to blame as they can indeed just establish the game plan.
Should player earnings matter to fans?
Interesting topic. I think, for some reason, Toronto fans are more likely to judge an athlete based on his salary. Obviously it’s great to get production from a young inexpensive player — it greatly increases your chances of being a good team, especially in a cap situation (NBA/NFL). That said, I look at a player’s salary as primarily a concern of the owners and the players. Hedo’s paycheque doesn’t affect (except extremely indirectly) what I have to pay to watch the Raps. Now if a contract is so bad as to threaten to destroy the team’s ability to compete in future years, you better be getting a major upgrade in the short term. But I don’t put that contract into that category. $11M is not such a huge portion of the cap as to really kill us down the road.
It’s kind of like people rating how good a movie is based on what it cost to make. When I was a kid, there was a Kevin Costner movie about a world made up almost entirely of water. Because it cost the huge sum of $50 million, everyone decided that for the money, it sucked. (see also, Ishtar). I think the more relevant factor is how much I had to pay for the ticket (or the DVD, or PPV, etc.).
Where I come down on Hedo is that he’s a huge upgrade over our starting 3 in the first half of last season (Moon, Jamario), and over what we would have been putting out on the floor if we hadn’t signed him (??? Marion? Wright?). So although I get frustrated by some of his games, it’s not because of his contract. He’s a major part of this extraordinarily enjoyable team to follow, so go Hedo.
I think it does matter in some ways. It’s a lot of cap room to go to one player and not to another, which can limit a team’s ability to change their roster if need be
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 21, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
You are forgetting some very important issues here.
1. Hedo is 30/31 not 25. His contract will end when he is 35 which is well past the average life expectancy of NBA player (to be productive consistently).
2. The salary cap is expected to drop this summer (some are projecting to as low as 50 Mil). Even if Bosh resigns, there will be no room to add anyone else to the team as result. If you do not think that it won’t be a factor on whether Bosh or any other FA signs with Toronto then you need wake up. As some have already mentioned, this team is not a championship caliber team. How do you expect it to become a Championship caliber team when they cannot sign anyone?
3. His contract will be longer than the current CBA. That may have no impact what so ever or it could end up being a huge albatross around the Raptors neck. It is simply too uncertain at this stage.
If he was playing up to his contract (or even 80% of it) then we could live with the consequences, but considering his numbers are almost easily replaceable it is a massive concern.
He scored 1 point in 30 mins in the loss a couple games ago. His numbers in Saturday’s game should be his season averages, not a great game to jump for joy for. I disagree with the statement that $11 million is not a huge portion when you could have 2 jarret jacks for that price. It’s not so much the amount of money he is getting paid, it’s how much he’s get paid while showing a general disdain for perspiration. He doesn’t play like someone making $11 million + , and it is irritating to see guys like Weems, Johnson and Jack breaking their backs every game, and Hedo smiling when he goes 1 for 7. The fact that he actually had to be talked into wearing that mask in the first year of his new contract speaks volumes. If he did go blind would his contract be void? Was he afraid the mask was going bring his statlines into the negatives?
Hedo's stats
Season avgs:
12.3, 4.5 rebs, 4.4 assts per game.
Shooting 40.3% (awful, but I’m betting he’ll come closer to his career avgs over the course of the season/contract).
3 pt. % = 37.4% (higher than Drea, but only 5th on the team — btw both Jose and Jack are over 40%!!)
Assist-Turnover ratio: about 2.5-1.
So his game against the Wiz (16, 6 and 5, 50%, 0-2 from downtown) was not all that different from his season averages.
I submit that much of the anti-Hedo sentiment comes down to what Pnutz says — fans perceive a lack of effort. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, of course. But running around like a crazy does not necessarily translate into wins, or even NBA roster spots (Pops). In fact it often leads to turnovers and blown defensive assignments.
That said, even I think it’s ridiculous that he smokes, and should give it up and hit the gym. But on the other hand, Larry Bird and Kevin McHale didn’t exactly have Dwight Howard’s physique, and they could play a bit.
MEANIE!
Everybody is being so mean to Hedo! He is a great player, he’s just been having bad luck with everything going on in his life. He’s just a person. Emotions do affect him. These past two games, he’s been playing better because he’s got peace of mind about his personal situation.
by Arielle Turkoglu-Santiago Encarnacion on Feb 21, 2010 7:06 PM EST reply actions
I hope this is the case…but how can you explain the first 45 or so games of the season?
by Adam Francis on Feb 22, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
For a professional athlete, Hedo could be far better physically conditioned. That would be where I would begin to start giving him more respect.
I place the challenge to perform squarely on his shoulders. He has several years to work on it., and hey – who doesnt like a challenge? What Hedo is facing doesn’t seem to be that riduclous …or does it?
3 things
1. It is OK to aknowledge your teams mistakes and dieficiencies, even after a win. It’s what good teams do and hopefully what the Raptors are doing. Instead of patting themselves on the back for a come back win against an inferior team, they should be examining why they had to come back in the first place.
2. The triangle of death working once out of every twelve attempts doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
3. Us Hedo Haters will stop hating Hedo when he is more consistant. Lets wait a few more games before we start praising Hedo’s play.
Solid, well thought out post D.
Not suggesting we praise Hedo for his play this year…just saying that comments like : “Hedo almost single handedly lost the game for the Raptors when the Dinos kept putting the ball into his hand” are completely unfair. All I’m saying is criticize him when he plays poorly but not when he plays well. He was good against the Wiz (particularly down the stretch) and helped pull that game out.

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