Tip-In: Triano Has Tough Time Explaining Loss to Memphis
The Toronto Raptors dropped a 109 to 102 decision to the Memphis Grizzlies last night at the Air Canada Center and Franchise points squarely at the coach while breaking down an unnecessary loss...
I like Jay Triano.
Besides seeming like a great guy personally, he's miles better at dealing with the media than Sam Mitchell, and I happen to believe he knows a thing or two about coaching a basketball team as well.
The players like him, he's held in high regard amongst the international coaching community, and he's solid on the X and O's.
Heck, last night with 1.7 seconds left in a tie game, it was Triano's play call that nearly resulted in a Toronto win as Chris Bosh's jumper hit front iron as time expired.
But that's not to say there aren't times when I'm left scratching my head, or yelling at my TV, regarding his decisions, and if there was an "Exhibit A" on the season, last night was it.
The Raptors had come out flat to start the match, gotten nothing from Hedo Turkoglu or Jarrett Jack, and very little from Andrea Bargnani either. However by replacing them with Sonny Weems, Jose Calderon and Amir Johnson respectively, the Raps, or Huskies on this night, turned what was a 28 to 12 deficit, into only a 34 to 32 difference. Toronto's bench really was the difference maker and in the game's second half, when TO's starters let the team down again, it was Amir Johnson and co. to the rescue.
But here's where it gets foggy.
With Toronto seizing the late game momentum and up 89 to 86, coach Triano is forced to remove Antoine Wright from the action after Wright was cut badly above his eye and bleeding profusely. With Marco Belinelli hurt, and Sonny Weems already manning the 2-guard spot, Triano elects to re-insert the woeful Hedo at small forward, who was clocking in at a glorious -24 without a field goal make at that point. His only other option might have been DeMar DeRozan but in any event, the expectation was that once Wright got stitched up, Hedo would come back out.
Only for some reason, that never happened.
Instead, Weems was taken out for Wright. Weems, who had been very effecient on the evening (5 of 7 for 10 points to go with 2 rebounds, 3 assists and numerous defensive plays) was left on the bench and Hedo played essentially the remainder of regulation, and then all of overtime.
That might have been fine had Turk actually contributed anything to the game other than raising the blood pressure of the ACC faithful. Instead, he finished with 1 point, 1 steal, 1 rebound and 2 assists in 29 minutes of action.
I could have done that.
I think my Mom could have too.
I mean, Reggie Evans played 4 minutes and had 4 points and 4 rebounds and was +3!!
Hedo?
Another team-leading night on the minus side, this time a ridiculous -29.
The frustrating thing is that it's not like his shots just weren't dropping, he only took five all night!
Thanks to the media access provided to us by the Raptors last night, I got a chance to really watch Hedo up close and it's unbelievable how little effort he exerted during the game. One play in particular though stood out that really summed things up for me. In the first quarter, DeMar DeRozan came up with a loose ball after a failed drive by Memphis, and he quickly headed in the other direction. It wasn't quite a fast break though, more of a 2-on-2, and while DeRozan's initial attack at the hoop was thwarted, Amir Johnson gobbled up the rebound for the put-back.
But while all of this was going on, Hedo was nowhere to be found in the play. Instead he was standing back in the paint at the other end of the court simply watching his teammates. Absolutely no effort was made to even move until Amir had scored and Memphis inbounded the ball to head back to the Toronto side of the court.
I couldn't believe my eyes.
This was the most eggregious example last night for sure, but it wasn't the only one on a night when Turkoglu might have redifined the term "bad game."
So the question on my lips, as well as those of most of the other media types present, was why on earth Triano stuck with Hedo late in the game and into OT considering his level of play?
From the following audio file, you can hear Jay's response to me asking about the decision not to go back to Weems, as well as various others from the media touching on his decision to stick with Hedo:
It doesn't exactly make sense does it.
Yes, I get that Jay thought Hedo was starting to get going - but shouldn't it have been obvious by the time the game went to OT that Turk was still firing up bricks on O, and giving nothing on D? It's not like Zach Randolph killed Toronto in the extra session, it was the exact man "the Ottoman" was supposed to be guarding, Rudy Gay.
You can hear also from the audio clip that I try to go back to the point about the bench being so successful, however before I could ask my follow-up question as to why they weren't used more in overtime considering it was the bench that got Toronto the eventual lead, the media session was cut off.
Not to be derailed, I immediately went to the Memphis locker room to talk to Rudy Gay. I wanted to get his take on the overtime session and how he felt Toronto was trying to defend him:
RaptorsHQ: What did Lionel (Hollins) say to you guys prior to the start of the overtime session?
Rudy Gay: He said basically that we're getting back to the way we were playing earlier this season and to keep doing what we were doing.
RHQ: In overtime they (Toronto) kept switching on your screen-and-roll sequences, did you expect something different or did you keep looking for the same thing? Because you kept seeing the same coverage time after time.
RG: Not necessarily, there was one time when Antoine Wright was on me (instead of Jose) and we still ran the same play. It wasn't the fact that they switched every time, it was more that I was getting the ball in good spots to operate.
RHQ: You guys were just going to keep running it until they showed they could stop it.
RG: Yeah. (Laughs.)
RHQ: Did your eyes light up on those switches when you saw Jose was on you or Hedo was on you?
RG: Yeah (laughs again) My eyes always light up! But yeah, they were good match-ups for sure.
Hmmm...
Anyone else getting the idea that the Raptors' coaching staff was simply too stubborn to switch things up and this probably cost them the game?
But just to be sure, I then headed back to the Raps' locker room to talk to Antoine Wright, since he was on the court during the OT disaster. Here was his take:
Reporter: Hedo struggled tonight Antoine, was that a key factor in the loss?
Antoine Wright: We all have to step up. It's been like that all season long and when our stars aren't playing well, our bench has to come in and bring energy. We did a good job, but just not for the whole 48 minutes.
Reporter: You had a 5 point game, they call a time-out, then score the next five in a matter of seconds to tie it. How does that happen?
AW: I just think we have to do a better job of putting out the fire. Rudy got it going, and we really couldn't affect him enough to get the ball out of his hands so we've gotta do a better job of that in the future.
Reporter: How tough of a cover is Rudy?
AW: He's a big guy. I think people forget that he's that tall and underestimate how long he is. And once a guy like that, with the type of skills that he has, gets going, there's pretty much nothing you can do about it. He's going to jump over everyone and he has a high release so it's hard to affect his shot. But we need to do a better job of not letting him catch the ball and force him out further, out of the spots where he likes to get the ball.
RHQ: I'm guessing Jay talked about defensive coverages during that stretch when Rudy had it going; did he talk about switching anything when it seemed like Rudy was getting the looks he wanted?
AW: Yeah, we adjusted, it just wasn't good enough, and sometimes that's what happens. We came in the huddle, coach made an adjustment, you know, switching, getting a quicker guy on him (Gay) to see if that would change the way they attacked but...
RHQ: ...quicker guy, you mean Jose?
AW: Yeah, but he just kept it going. There was really nothing we could do then. It sucks you have to learn this way but maybe next time we'll put a double team on him or something.
So let me get this straight.
The team needed stops and Jay decided to use Jose and Hedo with Wright to stop the uber-athletic Gay? Why not use Weems and play Wright at the 3? The team had great success with that line-up throughout the game, and while Jarrett Jack was invisible all night, why not try him then instead of Jose on those switches?
The whole thing just doesn't make sense.
And that's not even getting into the late game decisions by the team which allowed Memphis to score five points in the game's final 32 seconds, or the fact that despite possesing five fouls each, the Raptors were unable to get Zach Randolph or Marc Gasol to foul out.
Frustration all around.
However it's not the end of the world. This is a fairly solid Memphis club and while they have no bench to speak of, their starters are quite able to give most teams a good test. Toronto should have won this match, but considering this was one I earmarked for an L at the start of their recent 10-game stretch, I'm not surprised by the outcome.
What's more important obviously is going forward from here. The Raptors now take on the Nets, and the Nets 2.0, aka the Washington Wizards, who recently traded half their team in order to compete with Nets in the John Wall sweepstakes. These are two games the Raps must win as their schedule toughens up again towards the end of the month.
Along these same veins, you've gotta wonder what's going through Bryan Colangelo's head right now. In the past, he's been very quick to address mistakes on his part, be they of the Fred Jones or Jermaine O'Neal variety and the trade deadline is of course later today.
I'd argue that the Hedo Turkoglu signing is the worst of these gaffes to date but can anything really be done?
I simply can't see how BC can move this contract off the books without throwing in some bait; be it an expiring deal, a prospect, or draft picks. Considering the Raps have no big expiring deals now, and are already down a first-round pick thanks to the JO trade last season, that leaves prospects...and I don't see Mr. DeRozan going anywhere any time soon.
The reality is that Toronto is probably stuck with "The Ottoman" for a long time and it's going to take many more disastrous outings like last night's before we see Turk permanently strapped to the pine.
Which is a shame.
Because while I think Triano's done a fair job this year, night's like yesterday evening show that a little bad coaching can go a long ways in the L column.
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One Game
My 2 cents – this was just one game – I’m anxious to see what shakes out of it – the good coaches dont mess with things during regular season games – they use them to make policy for future games — the next tier teams still win games when they arent playing at their top efficiency. In other words if Turks your guy then he needed to play those minutes — if the rotation needs to change, and i think it should then we’ll see it next game. Regular season is practice for the playoffs when you set your sights right.
I agree
As much as I can second most (if not all) of Franchise’s frustrations, maybe by nature of my job, I am more inclined in taking a different attitude, one like: “How can make the most of my assetts”? I still believe Turk is an asset which is underperforming. Maybe he needs his ass kicked, maybe a combination of good cap bad cap therapy or something else he has to start to show up, it should be also a matter of personal pride and a matter of not letting everybody else down. I am not writing him off.
I keep the finger crossed on another thing: the fact that MSLE seems to be willing to go into the tax (per BC statement), the fact that Gay is UFA this summer adn the fact that a Raps team + Gay would serious business at any level, which should mean TO being an attractive destination…. just saying…..
The other frustrating thing was that post-game, Hedo gave the same old answers to the media with simply a shrug of his shoulders.
“I don’t know, I gotta keep trying hard and playing to the best of my abilities…yada, yada, yada.”
There just never seems to be much sincerity behind his words…
by Adam Francis on Feb 18, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Here is what is really frustrating. If Hedo is barely trying, should the Coaching staff send him a message by having sit an entire game at the end of the bench? It is obvious that the effort is not there, why do they reward him by playing heavy minutes? I know he is a big contract and important when he is on but doesn’t it send a message to everyone else on the team that they do not have to play hard to get minutes?
Turk shouldn’t be their guy. Of Turk, Wright, Weems, DeRozan, and Belli – Turk is the worst. He’s a hopeless chucker and an incredibly lazy player. He should play about as much as Patrick O’Bryant. If we can’t sucker some other team into a deal, then we have to suck up the sunk cost and nail his ass to the pine.
I agree
There are some things to note:
1 In the first quarter, the whole team looked like they hadn’t played in a week, and except for Bosh they hadn’t. This allowed Memphis to get some confidence and knock down shots.
2 Hedo was more than terrible. I’m going to be charitable and put it down to jet lag. From a tactical POV, putting him in at the end of the game was a horrible mistake. From a strategic POV, it might turn out to be the right move if Turk can return to the form he had just going into the break.
3 There was one play where the ball got to Bosh and there was Gasol waiting for him with 5 fouls. You knew that Bosh was ready to take it to him but then he passed the ball away. The replay guys did a good job of showing Bosh with an obvious pain and I felt he looked a bit disappointed in having to pass. I really hope he just tweaked his knee a bit and no serious damage was done.
Third point is one I missed discussing
I remember that play distinctly – Bosh had a chance to drive on Gasol but elected to pass to Wright with the clock winding down, and the unprepared Wright had to chuck up a 3. Bad decision by Bosh but he did seem to be favouring his knee a bit at that point…
by Adam Francis on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Glad I missed the game
That would have been a really frustrating one to watch. Thanks for the report. I feel for you Franchise having to sit through that kind of performance by Hedo.
Not to make excuses for the guy, but maybe whatever family issue Hedo had to sort out over the all-star break was actually pretty serious(does his Dad have cancer or something?)
It’s not going to be easy to move Hedo before the deadline, but if he inexplicably steps up in the playoffs maybe some team will be bewitched with his “clutchness” the way many Raptor fans were and will make BC an offer in the offseason. Hey, a guy can dream…
Let’s hope the team has now shaken off their post-allstar rust and gets back to winning games. Look out New Jersey!
Any word on Bosh's knee?
This was a trap game. You have a team playing their second game in two nights after a long lay-off so it’s not the usual facing a team playing a back-to-back advantage. Randolph basically gets most of what Bosh gets in terms of points and rebounds, Andrea was rusty, and they have a quick point guard. The match up is in their favour. In a seven game series Memphis would likely beat the Raptors in 6. The Raps shouldn’t have lost last night, but they did so that means they have to make it up by winning a game we didn’t see them winning in the future (@ Houston, maybe).
Moving on: what about Bosh’s knee?
This morning I was thinking how that his sitting out a few games might be a blessing in disguise because it lets us see how the team might perform next year without him, while also informing management of what type of pieces they should be looking for in a Bosh sign and trade to make this team competitive for a top 4 spot (we can’t just be happy with playoffs).
Honestly, if Bosh has to go my priorities would be to move assistant coach Eric Hughes into Amir Johnson’s house (after resigning him for a contract) so as to further develop his offensive game.
Also, any Bosh trade scenarios would have to include Turk and/or Jose’s contract (the offense doesn’t work when both are on the floor together) to allow for more flexibility. Get Kleiza for the mid-level, and just move ahead as a young team with solid pieces.
by HQ Interloper on Feb 18, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
It’s funny but a few folks have mentioned the idea of Bosh sitting a few games to see how this team fares in his absence.
No word on the knee, we waited post-game for a very long time though for him to emerge from the showers/trainers area and finally, I gave up to head home. I’m sure the mainstream folks will have updates at practice later today, and we’ll be sure to link to them.
by Adam Francis on Feb 18, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
And I understand the off-court issues having an impact…but if it’s that bad, he should have simply sat this one out. Jordan always played his best when going through emotional difficulties off court…maybe I’m expecting too much from the Turkish Jordan to do the same?
by Adam Francis on Feb 18, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
btw did you ask
what language Calderon uses to speak to Andrea?
Just curious
I didn’t Renato sorry – Jose was dressed and leaving by the time we got into the locker room and Andrea was nowhere to be found. I’ll grab them next time as I’m curious too ha ha.
by Adam Francis on Feb 18, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Language
They probably speak their own languages or a hybrid. Italian and Spanish are very similar. My grandmother used to be able to watch Spanish soap operas, and she spoke italian.
I hope for them you are wrong
They are different in a funny way, meaning there are plenty of words whose sound is the same and that can even be used in the very same context but with a different (sometimes opposite) meaning. It is funny to a point that you can have a full conversation, believing you had a perfect understanding and sadly discover you missed it all.
Plus/Minus and Stats
Also, I didn’t put it in the recap because it didn’t fit with the discussion, but I asked Jay a few questions about these things pre-game and I’ll put his quotes in my next piece.
So does the 2010 fuss die down now?
Bosh isn’t going to Cleveland with Jamison there now, Bosh isn’t going to Houston with Martin in the fold, Dallas with the cap space consumed by Butler seems less of a possibility now. if Amare lands in Miami, Bosh isn’t going there…so, does that mean…this is the team next year? Outside of a great Alicia Key’s song, I don’t see New York being better for him than Toronto. This trade deadline could prove interesting not because of what it means to the Raps this year, but what it implies for this summer and beyond.
i agree
I dont think Bosh will go anywhere on this trade deadline.
it would be interesting what TO does in the off-season
D-Stance and I discussed this yesterday
If Miami had grabbed Amare, doesn’t sound like they will, then Bosh’s options would REALLY have been limited.
Chicago would be the only other threat now that they’ve cleared more room and have Rose of course…
So yes, don’t see New York as an option unless Bosh is a huge Alicia Keys fan haha…I’d say it’s TO, Chi-town and Miami in a three-way race.
by Adam Francis on Feb 18, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't bet the farm
I can see New York aiming for a Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh setup “if / when” none of the other big stars move out. Hedo is really the key to making this not happen unfortunately, as he is paid to be Bosh’s sidekick. As an Orlando fan, I had really thought Hedo would be a real asset to Toronto. I really don’t know what is wrong with him, but it does generally take a half season to a full for a player to acclimate and gain confidence enough to play their game and not try to conform their game in a way that affects it negatively. If Hedo is healthy, the Raps need to figure out how to get him mentally there, and aggressive in time for the playoffs. Hedo is a second half guy though (season wise and game wise) so ho hopefully the rest of the season he plays up to his capabilities at least for the last half of games…
Re Calderon/Jack
Franchise:
Is the bloom off the rose on Jack, as Calderon played the last 23 minutes straight, including the OT last night, while Jack/Turkoglu were invisible.
Jack Frustrated???
Not sure the bloom is off the Rose, but I’d venture that Jack was quite frustrated post-game.
While we were waiting for Bosh and talking to some of the other players, we learned that Jack hadn’t changed post-game, but in fact had gone upstairs to work out. You can draw your own conclusions but from my experience post-game, Jack is usually one of the last to leave after making sure all the press gets what they need from him…
by Adam Francis on Feb 18, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Bosh Injury Update
Bosh has a mildly sprained ankle and won’t practice today or travel with the team to New Jersey tomorrow…
Jose's defense
was the giant hole where any hope of an OT win dissapeared into.
Forget Hedo, Forget Jack — Jose’s defense let Rudy Gay score at will… if Jose could have at least slowed up Gay or directed him towards help, the Raps would have still had a chance at winning.
Even if that was 100% true...
Without Calderon, they wouldn’t have been in the position to win the game in the first place.
You have conveniently forgotten just how bad the team was playing before Calderon entered the game.
Now I’m not saying that Calderon is completely without blame, but you should consider other players as well.
Hedo
I dont know if anyone talked about this but Doug Smith did bring up an interesting point about turkgolu. We dont actually know what Hedo went through the past week and maybe this game was an anomaly. I dont wanna speculate on what it could’ve been but the past few games, we’ve seen his play improve considerably. We probably shouldn’t rip him too much. I think playing calderon on gay was the stupidest thing ever.
From what Jay Triano said about Hedo’s family issue, it seems as though it was quite serious. Jay basically said Hedo needs people to pick him up right now, not put him down. So as annoyed as i was with his performance yesterday, im willing to let it go considering the circumstances. It’s more Jay’s fault for playing him than Hedo’s.
Why Not Put Johnson on Gay Late in the 4th and OT If Needed?
It is beyond me why Triano won’t use Johnson at the #3. Johnson who everyone agrees is probably the Raptors best defender is taller than Gay and probably just as quick. Johnson had only 3 fouls when he was removed in the 1st half of the 4th quarter.
It seems to me from what I have seen that Triano is rigid in his coaching and really doesn’t think outside the box. That is okay most of the time, but sometimes like last night you have to do more than follow the standard script.
JT on Hedo
If JT knows his player is not up to peak performance why put him in the game; to close the game for that matter. Someone needs to get to Jt cuz his tunnel vision to end game situations cost us a W yesterday and it’s not the first time.




















