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Tip-In - Toronto Raptors' Post Game - Bullish

Taking the final game before the All-Star break, the Raptors finish off their record at 29-23 and tie their franchise record in wins before the All-Star break.  The Raptors also introduced a jacked-up crowd to Reggie Evans which definitely lived up to the hype.

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Is it disturbing that more people in the States probably saw the debut of Reggie Evans than people in Canada? 

Thanks to having the game on TSN2, the Raptors closed off the first part of their season with a win that was definitely well earned.  In a bit of a twist to their last couple of games, the Raptors played with a great effort for the majority of the game, but allowed the 76ers to storm back in the fourth to make it a game.  The Raptors, to their credit, managed to put the 76ers away in the final minutes and capped off the game with a 104-93 victory.  And if you wanted to get a "coles notes" version it would go something like this:

Raptors and Sixers stay close for a quarter. 
Raptors pull away for two quarters thanks to some good defense and interior presence. 
The Sixers counter by tightening their defense and going small. 
Raptors pull out stops in the end and get the victory. 

Overall, the Raptors played a mostly complete game but should have come out with an "easy win"

Of course several players need to be highlighted starting with Jose Calderon.  Calderon came in when the game was close at the beginning of the game and totally changed the way the game was being played by hitting player after player for alley-oop after alley-oop.  In what might have been one of his most impressive outings in a long while, Calderon managed to dish off four assists in two minutes of work before scoring himself to finish off the quarter.  He then was instrumental in building up the lead going into the half and hitting a major four-point play late in the game. 

Side-by-side with Calderon was Sonny Weems.  Taking over for the absent Hedo Turkoglu, (away due to a family illness) the athletic favourite of the HQ came into the game and found different ways to contribute.  From finishing off the aforementioned Calderon alley-oop to playing some inspired defense down the stretch, Weems was much needed when the 76ers decided to put their fastest and most athletic group on the floor.  When Jay Triano finally placed Weems in the final minutes to stop the defensive bleeding, both he and Antoine Wright played inspired help-D to neutralize Lou Williams in the dying minutes.

After that, Andrea Bargnani took over.

Casting aside his other work for the night, Bargnani capped off his day by hitting a three then getting an important rebound to go to the line for another two points before finally challenging a shot by Andre Iguodala and registering a block to seal the game.  You can't just ask more from your starting center to cap off a game.

Throw in another solid outing by Chris Bosh with a 20 and 10 night and you have the recipe for a win.

The 76ers, though, wouldn't let the Raptors off easy.  Led by Lou Williams efficient and productive night (26 points and 5 rebounds), Eddie Jordan managed to place a lineup that slowly tightened the screws on the Raptors so that stress fractures appeared.  Jordan also had to sacrifice Elton Brand's production with his adjusted lineup in the third as he wanted to counter the Raptors with both Jason Smith and Thaddeus Young.  With Brand carrying the majority of the Sixers' scoring power in their starting lineup, it was definitely a risky move, but one that paid off.

That is, until Jason Smith left the game with a hurt ankle when he got tangled up with Iguodala. 

The story of the night, however, had to be the "bull in the china shop".

Reggie Evans's story has been one that has been much publicized.  The ACC was already chanting his name as he stood on the sideline to check into the game, you could feel the electricity in the air.  In the time that he's been out, Evans's popularity has skyrocketed thanks to his twitter account (@ReggieEvans30) and his work ethic.  Besides registering two points, three rebounds, an assist, and a turnover, Evans's time on the floor was pretty much a wash with a 0 +/- score.  However, there is little that could be denied that Evans gave it his all as he took a charge after a frenetic sequence that left him exhausted and tired.  There were also lots of small things whether it was with Evans trying to save a rebound he had no business getting, or pushing and pinning Samuel Dalembert under the basket so he couldn't get a rebound, Evans showed qualities that have been missing from this Raptors team.  He even received a chant for a return in the second half when the Raptors lost their momentum.

While I believe that there will eventually be a debate about whether Reggie or Amir Johnson should get the most minutes on any given night, there is also no denying that both players give the Raptors different looks that are unique.  Reggie gives the Raptors a bit more defense and a lot more muscle while Amir has clearly shown a scoring touch with Jose Calderon on the floor.  Situationally, the Raptors have the luxury of choosing which player to place in the game; something that most teams wished they had.

It's why for the time being, I'm very bullish on the Raptors and their chances to continue to make headway as the post All-Star season begins.  The Raptors, while blowing their lead against a team that has won five in a row, did not fold under the pressure and continued to give it their all.  While some of us continue to debate the merits of one player over another or lineup decisions made by Jay Triano and his coaching staff, there's no denying that the Raptors are a talented club who can play a variety of styles and play them well.  The team itself is starting to emerge as a dangerous team in the league and continues to put distance between themselves and their competition. 

Sitting 2.5 games above Charlotte and 4 games behind Boston, the Raptors are carving a spot for themselves at fifth place in the conference.  There's been talk about what Bryan Colangelo should be looking for as the trade deadline approaches and we will be looking into that further in the days ahead, but for now, the Raptors are a team that has chemistry.  It's taken a long road with some internal battles for sure, but as a fan, it's hard not to be happy with where the Raptors are overall and the possibilities that exist in the following months.

For now though, please enjoy the All-Star activities and join us over the coming days as we cover the All-Star weekend in Dallas.

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Good wrap up

This showed good perspective. Yes, they had a bad run in Q4, but the Sixers had something to do with that as well. 7 out of this last 8 was at the very high end of my expectations, and I’m also bullish on the future. Watch out Celtics.

by Aaron Craig on Feb 11, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

Banana peel game

I am glad the Raptors didn’t slip up on this one. They took care of business and now they can go into the break with some momentum. This break should be good for the few guys with lingering injuries.

I’m with the people calling for no change at the trade deadline. It is not ideal to have an excess of bodies on the roster, but the good thing in Toronto’s case is that the players are not redundant. On the wing Weems, Wright, Bellinelli and DeRozan all bring something slighty different. On the inside Johnson, Evans and Rasho fit different roles. This should allow Jay to mix and match to create the best lineup for any given opponent. It also gives him a bit of a “get out of jail” card when managing the egos of the guys who have to sit(“It’s not you. It’s the situation.”)

by DW19 on Feb 11, 2010 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

I half agree with you. No need to mess up a good thing. But, if the right deal comes along – if we could clear out somewhat redundant pieces like Jose & Reggie and get back a solid defensive small forward I’d do it. If we could rid ourselves of Turk and get good value back (highly unlikely) I’d do it. But I wouldn’t do it just for the sake of making a trade.

by benjibopper on Feb 11, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

This is whats wrong with Toronto..

There are no “redundant” players. The reason why Jose excels when Jack does not, or Reggie when Amir does not is because the circumstances call for different skill sets. This is the most success the Raptors have seen at this point in the season and Turk has been terribly inconsistent. Where are we when he becomes consistent?? These are all pro players. No one’s here by accident. Give them some time to develop and someday we might hoist a Trophy. Toronto fans seem to need player movement to remedy their waning optimism at times. A trade for trade sake does NOTHING to better the team and likely negates alot of the chemistry that these guys have spent months developing.

by Mycall on Feb 11, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Redundancy

Great point. One of the major flaws last year I felt was that Toronto had WAAAY too many players who did the exact same thing. This year there’s a much better mix of options.

by Adam Francis on Feb 11, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe Mycall point goes further

The Franchise history is what it is and most of it’s supporters have the approach of rebuilding first and asking questions after. It seems to me there isn’t a culture for example of believing in a project and giving it time to pan out, thee is, in my opinion, too much of a culture of an obsessive and frantic search for early worning sigs that everything is going bananas because usually things DO go banans….

by renato on Feb 11, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Colangelo

A lot of fans have developed an expectation that Colangelo will constantly make moves to improve the team. Furthermore, a portion of Raptor fans believe that BC will always win whatever trade he makes. So to them improving the team means BC making trades.

However, I agree with renato and mycall that often improvement comes internally with improved gelling, learning the system, player development, etc… That is probably the best path for the Raptors to improve between now and the playoffs. Barring a once-in-a-lifetime firesale deal, of course(Wade for Turkoglu and Weems, ha ha ha).

by DW19 on Feb 11, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Since we are dreaming

We do not even need to trade for Wade , we have roster spot :) haha

by renato on Feb 11, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I said the exact same thing about making a trade for just for the sake of it being a bad idea.

At the moment, we have a serious weakness that player development won’t fix: perimeter defense. On the other hand, we have three decent point guards. Add in Turk and we have an abundance of ball handlers. That can be a strength but it can also be a weakness, as we’ve seen when Calderon, Jack, and Turk are on together. And as we saw last night, our offense can actually work better without Turk (who is a chucker, and a chucker, and a chucker, no matter how "consistent"ly he chucks, he’s still a chucker). We also have a poor man’s Amir Johnson (Reggie), and the real Amir Johnson.

So, it in fact makes perfect sense to trade the pieces we don’t really need (Reggie, a ball handler) for something we currently lack (a decent defender on the perimeter).

I’m not talking about revamping the roster here, I’m talking about taking advantage of an opportunity, should it be there. I don’t think BC should go out of his way to make it happen, but if it’s there it’s a good idea.

by benjibopper on Feb 11, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t think DeRozan & Weems could be developed into good perimeter defenders? They both have the athleticism for the role. Wright is pretty decent in that role right now.

by DW19 on Feb 11, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess time will tell – they have the athleticism anyway. But again, since we have redundant pieces (JC and Reggie in particular, and Turk because he’s a damn chucker), I see no harm in testing the waters, seeing if a good deal is out there.

[just as a caveat, I’d trade eithe Jose or Turk if possible for a useful return, but not both, b/c then we really would lose too much of a good thing ie ball handling and playmaking]

by benjibopper on Feb 11, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Another good win

As previous commentors have noted, solid win for the Raps despite the 3rd quarter let-down. I thought Jay did a great job coaching last night, getting the right guys in and out at the right times.

It was definitely a “banana peel” game though considering how well Philly had been playing, and that USUALLY the Raps struggle against teams that get out and run as much as the 76ers do. Instead, Toronto gave Philly a taste of their own medicine.

And while it’s only one game, and I’m obviously biased, didn’t Toronto’s offence seem to run better without Hedo dribbling the clock down?

by Adam Francis on Feb 11, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

yes! offense was so good last night w/o Turk

by benjibopper on Feb 11, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

What has that to do with Turk?

The reason why they could run was that whomever grabbed the rebound was running in a fastbreak. That has been alsways Jay’s approach. They could do it more yestarday than other times because of the way the opposing team wasy playing. I believe Turk will become invaluable at Playoffs time where you will play much more half court O than now

by renato on Feb 11, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to remember this Renato ha ha. I hope you’re right, but call me a BIT skeptical.

by Adam Francis on Feb 11, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

too much hate on turk :p chillax

just like JT said on one of the interview.. it doesn’t show on the stat sheets but turk is very important in the system. Creates opportunities for others, he will not get the assist but will start the play that will lead to assists for the other guy. good for CB & BB coz defenders cant just leave him even if he’s not hitting his shots.

by xUnKnOwNx on Feb 11, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I say..

let the team marinade!

by teedotaj on Feb 11, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

Hedo

I was at the game, and to be honest I didn’t even notice he was missing. The team doesn’t take a step back when he is not on the floor. That says a lot.

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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Feb 11, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

While I agree that Turkoglu is probably not the optimal player for Toronto at his position, he does have useful characteristics that are not often discussed. He has a high bball IQ, despite what some people might say to the contrary. He stays loose and has confidence in himself. For anyone who remembers CB4 tightening up and struggling in some of Toronto’s previous playoff appearances, that is not something to dismiss out of hand. And, while some will see at as a sign of not caring, I think his ability to play through distractions and slumps shows a level of mental toughness that the Raptors have not always possessed.

Like the rest of the Raptors pieces, Hedo offers a variety of attributes(ball handling, length, veteran savvy, court vision) that can be useful in the right situations. Fortunately, the team also has guys like Weems and Wright who have different skills that work in other situations.

by DW19 on Feb 11, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Off topic but did anyone see the Line of the night

Stephen Curry vs the LAC’s, Triple Double

46 minutes, 36pts, 7/11 3pts, 7/8fts, 10rbs, 13asts, 3stls

by Johnn19 on Feb 11, 2010 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

Dirty

Hope people had him in their fantasy line-ups…

by Adam Francis on Feb 11, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

how about richard jefferson?

Could we use Richard Jefferson? He is a SF who could take Demar’s place, add vet experience, and while his numbers are way down this year, that might mean a change of scenery could do him good?

Spurs might be inclined to trade him, with his salary though, they would have to eat some of it (like Alonzo to Miami, we ate some to make it work).

Could he be the one to put us over the hump?

by Gerry71 on Feb 11, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Why in hell would you want to replace DeRozan ?

by Johnn19 on Feb 11, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the idea of upgrading at that spot with a talented veteran, but I’ve seen enough of Jefferson this year to say “thanks but no thanks.”

by Adam Francis on Feb 11, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The Raptors didn’t eat some of Mourning’s salary; they bought him out at full value. He also wasn’t traded, he refused to play here so they paid him to walk away. The Raptors got nothing forthe loss of Mourning except millions of dollars less in salary cap room for two seasons. It was a humiliation.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Feb 11, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

no no no

dont want to sound bad.. but RJ for DD will probably make an anti-raptors. Nothing positive on this trade. peace :p

by xUnKnOwNx on Feb 11, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Without Hedo

The Raptors will play a more natural PG controlled game.
Jose/Jack 14 ast, 1 to, 18 pts, even tho Jack struggled with his shot.

by Johnn19 on Feb 11, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Trades

Yeah, unless something RIDICULOUS drops in BC’s lap, I’d stand pat. Love to see him take advantage of the Nets’ malaise and grab CDR though…if only he and Hedo’s salaries matched up.

by Adam Francis on Feb 11, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

DeRozan

Gerry71 just want to be the first to let you know that Demar DeRozan will be an AllStar in his 3rd year in the league. Why would you even think of trading him for an over the hill wing player. The only player I would trade DeRozan for his Gerald Wallace and we know the Cats would laugh at BC if he make such a request, unless he is giving up Bosh.

by raps4life on Feb 11, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

take his place as starter

didn’t say in my post to trade DD, I meant take his starter’s minutes. less than 10 points from a starter is not great compared to other teams at this position. No, I do not want to trade DD, but this many expectations on a 1st year player is tough.

That better?

by Gerry71 on Feb 11, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that’s better Gerry71. Wouldn’t want you to let BC read this and get any bright ideas..lol

by raps4life on Feb 11, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

why is everyone talking about Vet experience. We have some very good Vets on the Raps…Bosh, Jose, Hedo, Rasho, we are not a young team in need of veteran experience….Please get off DeRozan case and find something else to write about..its getting rediculous. We are talking about replacing a rookie with a great upside for some veteran that probably have a year or two of good service left in him….as you can see I love DeRozan he reminds me of when Vince was young…lol

by raps4life on Feb 11, 2010 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

vet experience

only ones with legit playoff experience are Rasho (who gets mostly DNPs now) and Hedo, who is not playing well. Not enough yet, IMO.

by Gerry71 on Feb 11, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

andrew b

Demar is not a trade piece right now. He has too much potential. This team will have the pieces in place to compete for a title in one or two more years. Only make trades that help us in the next two to five years…we don’t need a win now approach…we need to build and continue to improve.

Hedo is a good piece of the puzzle even if he hasn’t played well yet. He will be a key performer in the playoffs.

by defensive rap on Feb 11, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

totally agree with you andrew b. What this team needs is time. Time to be around each other for a few years…like the spurs, phx when they were contenders, even Atlanta. If BC keeps this current roaster together with some minor tweaks here and there, these guys will be pretty hard to beat 2 or 3 years down the road. I can really see the NBA Championship banner flying north of the border…like the blue jays did to the baseball world….time son that’s all the raps need.

by raps4life on Feb 11, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention he’s cheap talent on his rookie contract. If someone really wants him, they’ll have to take some bad salary with him (banks, turk…)

by axl t on Feb 11, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

agree ^_^

relax w/ trades talks.. unless something special & vaild comes up.. we’re not in fantasy basketball. The team ryt now has good potential this season & even better in the next ones..

by xUnKnOwNx on Feb 11, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

TWEET

Evans just tweeted somebody big just got traded…..i DONT KNOW WHAT TEAM AND DETAILS YET !!!

by d279 on Feb 11, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

I think yall are missing the point about making a trade.

No one is suggesting making a trade for the sake of making a trade. The issue is this: Is this team, as it is currently constructed, good enough to beat the top 4 teams in the East in a 7 game series if all things are equal? I am simply not convinced that they can. Even if they somehow caught Boston to win the Division, they would still probably play Boston in the first round. If Boston is the weakest team up there, the Raps are in deep trouble. Adding a starting quality 2 is not a bad idea (assuming we could get one). DD might be great one day but then again he could be bust. It is simply too early to tell.

by McGateway on Feb 11, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Upgrades to the starting lineup

Obviously the 2 spot is the area where the Raptors could upgrade the most for this season (I’m firmly in the pro-Hedo camp). I think Demar is pretty untouchable, especially since his salary wouldn’t go very far towards matching up with an upgrade 2.

But what 2s are going to be available at the deadline? Kevin Martin? Maybe we can throw McGrady a welcome back parade? Maybe Eric Gordon could be had — though the Clippers’ problem is too many bigs and not enough wings. Martin makes the most sense to me — but that’s a big chemistry risk.

My guess is that the boss stands pat.

by Aaron Craig on Feb 12, 2010 1:13 AM EST reply actions  

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