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Tip-In - Toronto Raptors' Post-Game Report: Positive Vibes

Franchise along with Vicious D and two HQ readers, took in this one live last night courtesy of MGD.  What he saw was a Raptors' team that could end up surprising the league when all is said and done...

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Playoffs?

Playoffs?

You know the rest of the famous Jim Mora rant.

It's funny but with last night's well-executed 111 to 99 win over the OK City Thunder, the Toronto Raptors now strangely find themselves in 8th place in the Eastern Conference, and only two and a half games behind the sixth place Knicks, a team the Raps play twice in the next few days.

In other words, while it's still only about a fifth of the way into the season, it's not impossible that the Toronto Raptors end up in a fight to the finish for a playoff spot in the East.

And frankly, barring further injuries and trades, I think this will happen.

"Wait though Franchise, are you flip-flopping here?  Didn't you in the pre-season say that the Raps would win 30, and then after the home-opening loss to the Knicks, cut that in half to 15?"

Yes, indeed I said both so let me explain.

Before the season began, I took a good long look at the Raptors' line-up and thought that minus about 10-12 wins from Bosh, and factoring in the loss of Antoine Wright and even Marco Belinelli, that put the Raps at about 25 wins. However I also expected Jose Calderon to return to a certain level of play, guys like DeRozan, Weems and Johnson to take another step forward, Linas Kleiza to be a boost, and in the end by various views, some statistical, some anecdotal, the team as a whole would be able to put together 30 victories.

However that assumption was based on not only the above beliefs, but also that Jay Triano would get the right mix of players going at various parts of games (ie playing Kleiza at the 4, not having Weems and Johnson strapped to the bench, etc, etc.)

Early in the season, this wasn't happening.

Triano kept rolling out guys like Kleiza and David Andersen to my frustration and as a result, I saw a team that would be lucky to get to 20 W's, more likely to fall in the 15 range.  They simply weren't taking advantage of their strengths.

A few things have changed however over the course of the season's first quarter.

First, slowly but surely, Triano has realized who the truly valuable players on the club are.

Weems is now starting along with DeRozan, Amir is getting major minutes (and now starting thanks to the Evans' injury), David Andersen is gone, and Kleiza has been reduced to an 8th or 9th man, and when he does get in the game, it's at the 4 spot.

Yes, it's unfortunate that injuries dictated a good chunk of these line-up changes, but at least Triano has recognized their success and has stuck with them.

Second, the lights went on for Andrea Bargnani.

For a solid few weeks now Bargs for the most part has been playing at a level never seen before by Raptors' fans. Sure, he's always been able to fill up the basket, but he's done it at a much more efficient level of late, and has had a certain confidence and swagger to his game that previously has been lacking.  He's getting to the line, attacking in the paint, posting up, hitting mid-range and turn-around j's, and of course, dropping the odd long-range bomb.  He just isn't settling any more and last night's game was a perfect example of this.  He established the post-up and inside game early, stretched things out with a few mid-range j's, and by the end of the match had 26 points on 11 of 20 shooting.

Oh, and about that rebounding.

In all honesty I expected Bargs' productivity to fall off a cliff minus the rebounding monster known as Reggie Evans.

However that hasn't happened and last night, against some long and gangly OKC defenders he pulled down 12, a good many of these in traffic and not simply the classic Bargs "oh look at this, the rebound just happened to fall into my hands!" types.

His production has taken the team to another level and has helped open things up for his teammates, which brings me to my third point.

Players like Calderon, Weems, and DeRozan have all improved as the season's gone on.  I'll point again to last night's affair as the perfect example.  

Calderon was simply brilliant.  He had but 8 points, but hit these early forcing Russell Westbrook to get up on him and play both ends of the court.  That allowed more breathing room for guys like Weems, DeRozan and Johnson, and Jose found them quite often, finishing with 15 assists in the match.  Jose also did a great job defensively on Westbrook, who just couldn't seem to get it going.  Westbrook finished with a respectable 20 and 7 but it was hardly the performance most fans expected.

And Weems, DeRozan and co?  Weems and DeRozan continued their great Summer League chemistry on the court together and last night might have been a nice glimpse of the future; DeRozan the 20 point scoring threat, Sonny Weems, the fill all categories and finish with the team's highest +/- guy.

Throw in a little Ed Davis, who contributes at both ends the minute he checks into a game, Jerryd Bayless, a tough as nails competitor who did an outstanding job keeping Westbrook and Maynor in front of him, and it's tough not to like a lot of this team's young pieces, something that couldn't be said even a year ago.

"But wait Franchise, this is all great, but 30 wins isn't going to get the Raps into the playoffs!"

Solid point, and it brings me to my final observation from the early NBA season.

There are some REALLY bad teams in the Eastern Conference.

Part of my 30 win equation was because I expected clubs like Washington, New Jersey, Milwaukee and Indiana to take a step forward, and Cleveland and Charlotte to remain quite competitive, thus making it tough for the Dinos to crack that 30 win plateau.

Aside from Indiana, and maybe Jersey simply because they were sooooo bad last year, this hasn't happened.  Philly, Washington, Cleveland, Detroit....none of those four I believe to be as good as Toronto.  As well, Milwaukee is struggling with key injuries, and to me both Charlotte and New York are overrated, New York especially.

That's 7-8 teams right there so once you do the math, you realize it's not that hard to anticipate a possible playoff spot for TO.

That of course raises the question, "is making the playoffs though good for the club long-term?"

I'd still at this point rather a top 3 pick in the upcoming draft, assuming there's no lock-out, however I think the real important thing here is that Triangelo finally has a mix of players with the necessary attributes needed to win NBA games.

As Vicious D and I sat at the ACC last night with our two MGD contest winners, we remarked that it hadn't been since the days of Keon Clark and Antonio Davis that we'd seen a Raptors' team with so many rebounding and shot-blocking factors, not to mention true athletes, not just jump shooters.  At times last night OKC must have thought they were playing themselves as a line-up of Bayless, Barbosa, Weems, Ed Davis and Amir Johnson was about as quick and athletic as anything they could throw out there.

Am I printing the Atlantic Division banner?

No way, this team still has a long ways to go and I'm sure there will be plenty of games like their November 16th debacle in Washington.

But for the first time in years, I'm seeing some nice little things brewing for the Dinos and combined with some of the other atrocities in their conference, fans might be treated to one of the more surprising seasons in club history.

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Am feeling the same

There have been a few games where we have looked pretty darn good out there, last night being a great example.
There is no reason why we cannot compete for up to the 6th spot in the East.
Not that I’m saying its ours, but I will say that the Raptors will finish better than most predicted, myself included.
You hate to say it, but Reggie going down might of been one of the best things to happen. I know it’s two games into his NBA career but it appears Ed Davis is not gonna hurt us out on the floor and Amir might be one of the best secrets in the league. All he does is produce at both ends.

As per that top 3 pick, barring injuries, it looks like we will play ourselves outta that mix. We still got two first round picks, and whatever BC can obtain with Reggie and Peja’s contracts and our trade exemption.
Not only that, but a young front court of Bargnani, Johnson and Davis appears very promising with possibly Dorsey and Alabi waiting in the shadows. Kleiza brings grit.
DeRozan,and Weems both seem headed in the right direction, always remembering that Demar is still very young.
Does it not appear we lucked out in picking up Bayless? With the way Jose is playing and Barbosa ready to handle the ball, the PG position seems pretty solid as well.
Through in the fact that I now have much more confidence in Jays coaching ability and we appear to be heading in right direction.

Is the Legomaster out of his slump? We have trashed him last few season’s, looks like he’s on a roll now.

by Tinmann on Dec 4, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

Providing you still want to trade him

you may have a good trading chip in numero ocho and all of a sudden the Raps have become a team with good pieces and the most financially flexible team in the NBA

by renato on Dec 4, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Not so fast to trade Jose

The way he has been playing of late is more like the Jose who BC gave that contract to.

by Tinmann on Dec 4, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

point is, if Jose is Young enough to stay with the team, so is Barbosa (I would keep both)

by renato on Dec 4, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree as well

All 3 could be used in different combinations throughout the game.

by Tinmann on Dec 4, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope the Legomaster is out. Not a huge fan of the Kleiza deal (BC needs to stay away from free-agent moves) but his Hedo swap for Barbosa was gold, and Bayless is doing a pretty nice job so far. He’s had some luck too (Ed Davis dropping to 13, including Weems in the Amir deal), but you need some luck in the NBA to get good as a franchise. (See last night’s opponent.)

The tricky thing will be the Peja contract and the Bosh TPE. Considering it’s looking more and more unlikely that the Raps get a top guy in the draft, Colangelo REALLY has to do a masterful job with these pieces.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Dec 4, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

TPE

Who is available for the TPE? Are we able to be some teams cash dump?

by untouchable_21 on Dec 4, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

point is

if we were to start a pool on what is needed it would open the pandora box. The only thing I believe everybody would agree on is that we do not need (yet) another PF.

by renato on Dec 4, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s true, we have a wildcard at every position, or failing that a young player in the process of establishing themselves

PG Bayless
SG DeRozan
SF Weems / Kleiza
PF Amir, Ed Davis
C Bargnani, Dorsey

And in case of injury, we’ve got Julian Wright, the only athletic wing with significant size.

by Yardly on Dec 4, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh Shit

We turned Franchise into a believer…..

Next thing you know, WikiLeaks will publish a photo of MAS11 and DS i a strip club wearing their #7 Raptors Jersey…

by renato on Dec 4, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

As I noted in the post, it’s not simply a matter of blind faith though, as I know some fans have, which is admirable. It’s more that certain Raptors are playing to the level I expected, others surpassing it (Bargs), and that there are some REALLY bad teams in the East. If the Raps were in the West I’m not sure they’d be much better than the Clippers and T Wolves…so I’m not going to get TOO ahead of myself :)

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Dec 4, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh agreed!

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Dec 4, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

nope

faith is blind by definition, please do not get me started on a debade on how faith stands above reason.

by renato on Dec 5, 2010 3:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I won't get you started then and I'll leave it at this

only those who do not have faith in something or understand it believe that faith can only be blind.

You can be the most intelligent person in the world, but that never means you can ever understand having faith in a certain idea, philosophy or belief.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 5, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Well their record now is the same as Portland’s and Golden State and better than Houston.

by Shadowseeker on Dec 4, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but those teams play in tougher conferences with tougher divisional schedules…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Dec 4, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

so your saying the raps never player against good teams. we played many away games, and in the west coast, its tougher for our players to play at a later time. to me, i dont see how theyre competition was that much more difficult than the ones we have already faced. some teams have better schedules than others. were still a losing team, and theres no way id want them in the playoffs, but what i am able to see is that this team can play well and right now were on a winning streak and deserve credit for their ability to win and prove critics wrong for thinking we should be the worst team in the nba

by tea time on Dec 4, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Next thing you know, WikiLeaks will publish a photo of MAS11 and DS in a strip club wearing their #7 Raptors Jersey…

too funny…

by Jenge on Dec 4, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s just wrong. I’d never wear a basketball jersey to a strip club. Haha.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 5, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

PS

who are the winners then?

by renato on Dec 4, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

It’s like Barbosa said after the game: this team is starting to believe it’s a good team.

In triangelo’s defense the players now are ones Toronto fans can believe in and they are overall playing much harder than those of the last few years.

Hopefully they can keep it going through some adversity.

by axl t on Dec 4, 2010 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Should have Bargs on the bench

He scores but his rebounding negates that and even if he does rebound well, he hasn’t done it consistantly. And even if he is consistant, it don’t matter because his assists are way down and even if he does pass the ball more, what difference does it make, his +/- is absolutely terrible. Further more he never helps on defense and he’s paid way too much and he was drafted too high.
He should be on the bench and maybe he could be of some use against second stringers.

by raptball on Dec 4, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

paid too much?

8.5M for a now 20 / 7 guy?
Maybe you should be cheering in south beach, where they gave 15 to your 15/6 kind of guy

by renato on Dec 4, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

raptball was going for sarcasm, but it seldom translates well when English isn’t your first language.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Dec 4, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not opposed to Bargs moving in some fashion

but he did work hard at both ends last night.

Where he was drafted is completely irrelevant to today, and should have nothing to do with whether he starts or not.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 4, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Draft position is COMPLETELY irrelevant…and that goes for any player, not just Bargs. If he can continue to play at this level, I’ll be the first to say that his contract will be of solid value.

Do I still think BC could have had him cheaper had he not jumped in with both feet a year early?

Yes.

But really glad to see Andrea coming around here.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Dec 4, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen. Not to mention that he has put a few solid games together lets not anoint him as one 50 greatest players either. He still has to maintain this pace when adversity starts to affect the team (injuries, politics, unexpected trades etc). He is into the 2nd year of this contract and is only now starting to look like he deserves the money.

P.S. – When I made my come off the bench comment AB was averaging a dismal 5.6 boards per game and he looked completely lost on d. He still looks lost on d a lot of the time. My observation also was that one of Calderon or AB should come off the bench because Calderon is a pylon and AB is probably the worst help defender in the NBA. Not a good combination against superior teams.

by McGateway on Dec 6, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL way to rile everyone up

I’m pretty sure he’s joking people!

by HDave on Dec 4, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Just havin a little fun boys

I’ve been a Bargnani supporter from day one, so I thought I’d make fun of those same foolish arguements I have been hearing for the last couple of months. You must of read them here too. How his scoring doesn’t matter, how his defense was so bad that the scoring was meaningless. There were some calling for him to go to the bench. Can you imagine?
This kid is only just 25. Colangelo did well again

by raptball on Dec 4, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Actually rapball, I totally got the sarcasm…I just wanted to share that with everybody ;)

Has anyone else noticed how Bargnani has been aggressive on the boards. He is like a man dying to prove all of us wrong. You can even see him paying attention on the defensive end ready to help. If you pvr’d yesterdays game and watch it again, you will be pretty surprised at how focused Bargs is on D.

by Assistant GM on Dec 4, 2010 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed and made note of it in my post. Prior to the last stretch of games, the vast majority of Andrea’s rebounds were the type that just happened to fall into his hands – he wasn’t getting the “grimy” Reggie Evans’ ones. Not so last night. There was one box-out he missed that I made note of, but he immediately redeemed himself on the next shot, as he snared it from two or three of the Thunder. Just great to see.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Dec 4, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree! Even when Bargs was averaging 5 boards a game, 4 of them would kind of just fall into his hands. Now, was it zero effort because he had Bosh and deferred or is he finally getting it?

by Assistant GM on Dec 5, 2010 2:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Some questions

1. Was it that Bargnani didn’t know how to rebound properly and not that he couldn’t rebound and, if so, does this mean he could still develop into a good/very good rebounder on a consistent basis?

2. Of the "vets" attractive to other teams – Barbosa/Evans/Calderon/Kleiza/Stoyajovich – which is the team most hesitant to give up and likely to keep. I say Barbosa because he simply has a special kind of game play that not only fits longterm, but there is no ready replacement on the roster who could step into his spot and deliver similar results. His age is not a detriment either being 28yo.

3. Has this become Triano’s team? I’m not familiar with how Triano played the game or what characteristics he utilized in emerging as one of the better players on the National team in his day, but could we be seeing the same approach in these Raptors (i.e. scrappy, never quit types) and (I can’t believe I’m saying this) will this team evolve to embody more of his characteristics and thus become a serious contender sooner than expected?

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Dec 4, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

For # 1… I find that an interesting question. I think as far as thisyear goes, his and triano’s priority is/was his offense. They needed to get that in track because that’s been his speciality from day one. Second on the list was his help defense and I think third would be his rebounding.

Add in the fact that he is trying be a player like dirk who can score from absolutely anywhere on the court and it makes some sense that noticeable progression might be slow to fall into place.

by axl t on Dec 4, 2010 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Today

Barbosa is a keeper. Jury still out for Calderon (and I would really like to be able to say he is a keeper too)

by renato on Dec 4, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

For one, I don’t think Bargs will ever have great rebounding instincts, he’s just not that type. But do I think he can average 8 a game or so? Definitely. Why? Because for one, if you look at his shot selection this year compared to last, he spends a lot more time near the basket now, thus keeping him in a rebounding position. As well, I’ve seen him up close a lot this year and he simply ACTS different. On O, on D, I think he’s finally getting it that this could be HIS team, and if it is going to BE his team, he needs to be a leader at both ends. Hence, an increased focus on the glass.

For two, I’d say Barbosa is the one the team wants to keep the most but if Calderon can keep this level of play up, he’d be a very close second. It’s only his contract that’s the issue.

For three, definitely Triano’s team. Does that mean Colangelo isn’t pulling the strings to some degree? No…but Jay definitely has their respect and the respect of a lot of the league. You could see it in Kevin Durant going over to Triano to say hi pre-game even

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Dec 4, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

BC's Teambuilding Blueprint

I think BC took the job with a gameplan for how he was going to succeed in the Toronto Market. This gameplan was influenced by SSOL, which was the only extended run of success he had during his tenure as Suns GM. He leaned on the international influences, and is now trying a new approach to creating a franchise that is able to sustain some level of success over a period of time.

Also wouldn’t be surprised if he did some research into character, to see if there some traits he could zero in on that would make a given player more comfortable with playing in Toronto long term. I would use the example of a family that traveled alot, or a player.
who grew up in a place with cold winters.

I will also venture a guess that a coach that is insecure about their job security, will be more likely to identify the players that play “his way” and ride them to whatever record they have in them failing injuries. A coach who feel’s more settled might be more amenable to giving everyone on the roster a shot provided that they have put in the work during practice. This helps the GM out, in that he has a feel for who is able / not able to step into a larger role should the need arise. It also helps him establish some value for unproven players, and increases the potential pool of players that other teams can scout to even out trades.

I would classify SMitch as the first type of coach, he knew he wasn’t BC’s guy. This would be reiterated when they would meet and talk about basketball strategy in general, and with regards to the team. On a team with Colangelo players and SMitch players, no one vision could prove adequate and create a cohesive unit.

by Yardly on Dec 4, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying that SMitch wasn’t a team player or that Triano is a puppet dicatator, I don’t know enough to speculate either way. I am saying that the players Colangelo is bringing in for Triano aren’t the same guys he served up for Mitchell, and it would have been neat to see Sam given the opportunity to mentor a few players that mirrored his own identity. Triano seems like the type that could find a way to get his point across to everyone, whereas Sam seem’s like someone who needed the right personal to take advantage of his experience as a NBA player.

by Yardly on Dec 4, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

A simple "I was wrong about this team" would have sufficed

You along with 90% of Raptors fans (myself included) were wrong about our assumptions about this team and its personnel. No need to go explaining yourself.

This team is not the most talented team out there but Triano has them playing harder than I’ve seen them played in the last 3 years.

by CourtSense on Dec 4, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

Too soon to say that we were wrong

We are still closer to the bottom teams, than the top. We are progressing nicely, though.

by Tinmann on Dec 4, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, they need to do this for a couple seasons and weather injuries and adversity before I’d call it a success.

by axl t on Dec 4, 2010 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep…not even a quarter of the way into the season but believe me, I’ll scream “I WAS WRONGGGGGGGGG” from the rafters if this club goes on to win 40 games and make the playoffs etc.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Dec 4, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well hey

It seemed like your advanced stats and wages stuff was bad enough to get you out of wait and see mode… It was getting hard to sit on the fence… I’d like to see how Berri’s number change if the raps do keep rolling.

Interestingly, even hollinger ‘likes’ the raps now…

by axl t on Dec 4, 2010 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I couldnt think of a single player on the raptors I hated that game… Thats never happened to me before

by untouchable_21 on Dec 4, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

This is a big point for me

One of the major problems I had with this Raptors’ team the past few years was that there just weren’t many players I enjoyed watching, or who I felt were conducive to winning basketball.
Over the past few months though, via the draft and some other player movements, that’s really changed.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Dec 4, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Never thought of it that way exactly, but yeah, tru dat

by axl t on Dec 4, 2010 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

even bargnani didnt piss me off…. im shocked. he actually did play like a seven foot tall woman

by untouchable_21 on Dec 4, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

This was the final paragraph of the OKC SB nation blog ... final paragraph to their game recap... love how they view us :)

“We’ll see the Raptors again on March 20th at home, and it will be interesting to see where they’re at. Can they continue their recent success and become a factor in the East? Or will injuries and inconsistent play hamper them, sticking them in the muddled middle of the East? I’d like to say that they’ll continue their success, but only time will tell. I look forward to when we meet again.”

by Blanco on Dec 4, 2010 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

I like their way to give grades

Bargnani got the “Thunder Plunderer”

by renato on Dec 4, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

he stole their thunder?

…and he won’t give it back?…lol

by Jenge on Dec 4, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry for the repost from yesterday, but...

I will let it out again that I predicted this team would win more games than we did last year. I was never a big fan of Bosh. I respected him,he seemed classy and came in and put up numbers for his entire Canuck career. He just didn’t help the team. I think the moment I gave up on Chris was after an old, out of shape Shaq called him the RuPaul of big men and there was no response, by Bosh or any of his team mates. Even when CB4 did put in effort, it seemed to be more about getting high fives than getting the rest of his team going. This site had a huge pro Bosh, anti Bargnani slant last year, but compare their stats and things look pretty even. Anyway, don’t want to rip on him too much, there is enough evidence out there and he has been having a tough enough season, sad to see and don’t want to kick a man too much when he is down.

I think Triano also deserves a lot of credit. Although rotations are what most fans will complain about, at least he and BC are singing off the same song sheet. That is part of the reason why he replaced Smitch, and JT certainly gives BC time to evaluate certain players. I’m not saying it is right or wrong, just that it does explain some of his personnel decisions. However, this team plays motivated and hungry, I credit that to Triano. This team is starting to click on D, I credit that to PJ Calisimo (who JT wanted to hire). This team is starting to actually out execute other good teams, that I have rarely seen from ANY Raptor team and I credit that to JT. No coach is perfect, but the Raps could be doing a lot worse than what they have in Triano.

There are a number of intriguing parts that could be traded to improve this team. Contributing vets like Kleiza, Evans and Barbosa could be moved for useful parts, just as Jack and Andersen were. Several contracts are appealing assets, hello Peja and TPE. We also have a lot of developing youth. Among Jerryd, Sonny, DeMar, Wright, Amir, Dorsey, Davis and Alibi, we may not have any all stars, but we have a base of youth that will hopefully give the identity to the type of player a Toronto Raptor is; athletic, plays both ends, attacks on Offence and able to turn D into fast beark points. Maybe one or two of these young parts will have to be offered up in part of a trade for higher tier player, but only if the incoming player still has those qualities and isn’t already over the hill.

We are in a pretty good position right now, even if BC does nothing, we have a lot of salary clearing, players developing, decent picks on the way. We can stand pat and develop from within (as most good teams do). If BC does do something, it will be to address a need, not to unload undesirable contracts (Hedo who?). One trade player I would like to see targeted is Iguadala. There was some talk between Sac and Phi based on Peja and Iggy. If those talks could be reignited in Toronto we might be able to throw in another asset or two without getting robbed, Iguadala fits the new Raptor mode pretty well. He is still young, defensive minded, a strong second option on O and addresses a need at the wing. But I’ll leave those decisions to the lego master.

I’ve been a little bitter at the HQ lately, too negative. In fairness, there has been a lot to be bitter about, last year’s team was soul destroying. But looking with fresh eyes shows a team that is well positioned going forward. You may not like a Bargnani type player at the 5, but when paired with Evans, Amir or Davis, things pretty much level out. Who cares if your PF is a defensive minded thug or the Centre. I think that Davis and Bargnani will compliment each other perfectly for a number of years and are the only two untouchables on the roster. Even the HQ has to be enjoying the turn around and I might stress again to use fresh eyes looking at the Raps. Bargs may not be peaked out, one dimensional player, but may actually continuing to develop into the team leader. Let go of the bitter, enjoy the ride, we are playing well and beating good teams, fresh eyes, ENJOY THE RIDE.

Walker McKenna

by Robert Archibald on Dec 4, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

No, that was an extremely well thought out post. I mean, I will never be a fan of Bargnani’s game, but can appreciate the fact that he’s played better lately (with the exception of today’s Knicks game where he slid back into Old Bargnani Mode). You nailed the piece about the tradeable assets. And I think getting Iguodala in a Raptors uniform would close an old would (Hoffa anyone?).

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 5, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Bargs

God I hope he keeps me eating my words and continues to perform at a high level.

by RaptorsAddict on Dec 4, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

Filling the needs

The Raptors are short in a couple of areas, a big strong center and a flat out clutch scorer. There are a few possibilites in free agency next year, For the center spot, there’s Gasol, Perkins and Collins, and as very good scorers, there is Thaddeus Young, Jeff Green and Nick Young.
So, as usual I don’t know all the cap space rules and all that bullshit but Colangelo needs to work some more magic. A couple of those players and the Raps are on their way.

by raptball on Dec 4, 2010 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

gasol

i hope ur talking about marc gasol…. he’d be golden on this squad! pau gasol on the other hand, is redundant (see Bargnani).

by untouchable_21 on Dec 4, 2010 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

He's waiting for Bargs to toss up a stinker

And then he’ll show up and be like “SEE I TOLD YOU GUYS, THE PAST 5-6 GAMES MEANT NOTHING, THIS IS THE REAL BARGS”

by HDave on Dec 5, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll assume he would respond with...

“You mean like the way you think the past 5-6 games make the rest of his career mean nothing?”

“I would love to see Bargs be a 20 and 10 guy every night who keeps opposing guards from daring to come in the paint, but he’s had years to prove he can be that guy and has failed to step up…”

by Mikthaniel on Dec 5, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

He's attending a wedding

Of course, you guys wouldn’t believe that :P

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 5, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

try

2 games, not 5-6. Shooting efficiently doesn’t mean he was playing good defense by default.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 5, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

2 games

Yes, it’s funny how a couple of good games bring out the Kool-Aid and sunshine. People start talking about the past 5-6 games, which included 6-17 and 4-13 shooting performances. Bargs has certainly picked up his play, but when we start saying things like Pau Gasol would be redundant on the Raptors because of Bargnani, it’s time to call in the shrinks. Gasol is on another level.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 5, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

And I didn’t have to wait long — thank you New York Knicks!

But seriously, I actually watched the end of the OKC game and was impressed with Bargs. He’s played well lately, which is why his overall +/- has moved from around -10 to -7.8 ;)

So pardon me if I’m not rushing out to buy my Bargnani jersey quite yet.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 5, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

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