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3 In The Key: Toronto Raptors Game Day Preview vs. New Jersey Nets


With a blink of an eye the Toronto Raptors are in a tail spin having two in a row and six of their last seven.

In the middle of a four game home stretch the Raps need to get back on track with a win tonight against the lowly New Jersey Nets

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Things are not all that pretty in Raptorland right now.

Despite some solid individual performances from some young up and coming players like Jerryd Bayless, Amir Johnson and even Joey Dorsey, the Raptors as a team are in a major slump.

Other than the miracle comeback against the Pistons last week, the Raptors have not done a lot of winning lately - the last victory coming in a Sunday match-up against a Thunder team without Kevin Durant.

It's not like the competition has been that stiff either. Teams like Charlotte, Indiana and to a lesser degree the New York Knicks, are not exactly the league's elite.

The Raps need a W and they need a W now.

Enter the worst team in the Atlantic Division - the New Jersey Nets.

New Jersey is a team that mystifies me. In a summer where they had lots of cap space and a new multi-millionaire owner they spent their money on the likes of Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow and then acquired Troy Murphy. Good players in their own right but not guys you build around. They then hired Avery Johnson who appears to have made a bad situation worse. Johnson struggled to get along with last year's number one pick and RHQ favorite Terrence Williams (since shipped to Houston) and seems hell-bent on playing journeyman Kris Humpheries over this years number 1 pick Derrick Favors. Meanwhile the rumour is they are willing to give up the farm if they can get Carmelo Anthony to sign an extension. Coach Johnson and Carmelo - a match made in heaven? I have my doubts.

The Raps of course have their own issues. Much like the Nets they are still trying to find their identity and both teams are stuggling with injury woes. When two struggling teams meet up it can make for a good game or a total car crash in terms of basketball viewing.  Here's hoping for the former.

To learn move about the Nets situation we reached our to NetsDaily for our first 2010-2011 Blogging With The Enemy:

RHQ: Give us your thoughts on all that has gone on in the past 6-8 months with the Nets - in particular how they spent their free-agent dollars and the kind of team they are building.

Three months ago, I would have answered that the Nets were a team on the rise, with a new gazillionaire owner clearly dedicated to building a winner; a well-respected head coach; a super-athletic rookie PF; a young player that, statistically, was probably the best rookie in the East over the last quarter of the season; and a series of shrewd free-agent signings designed to take advantage of the strengths of the team's two best players, Devin Harris and Brook Lopez. Now everything is in disarray.

Terrence Williams somehow wore out his welcome and was shipped off to Houston for, well, whatever they could extract. The free agents have been horrible. Troy Murphy, who they acquired in a pre-season deal and was expected to play a major role, isn't even allowed to play. Brook Lopez looks lost. Right now, there seems to be a lot of bad karma floating around this franchise. Last year, we all knew that the team had no interest in trying to win games, and while the results were disappointing, they were hardly a surprise. This season is worse, because there was reason for optimism.

RHQ: What are your thoughts on the Melo rumours? If you were the GM would you pull the trigger on the rumoured deal (Favors, 2 first rounders etc.)?

Get a half-dozen Nets fans in a room together, and you'll get seven different opinions on this one. Personally, I come out fairly strongly against making this deal. If the Nets are ever going to become legitimate title contenders, it'll be on the backs of Favors and Brook Lopez, who appear suited to compliment each other magnificently. Favors is an amazing talent, and this is a team that has had a complete inability to fill the PF position since K-Mart was sold for a few draft picks roughly five years ago.

Carmelo is a great player, but as I see it, there's no reason to believe that he will drastically improve the team. After all, the non-Carmelo portion of the Nuggets is significantly better than the Nets, and no one considers Denver to be a title threat. As for the theory that he will attract other superstars in free agency: If the best the Nets could do when they had Jason Kidd was signing the likes of Scott Padgett and Lamond Murray, I doubt Carmelo will come in and be the Pied Piper, if you catch me.


RHQ:What are the key's to the game if the Nets are going to pull one out against the Raps?

More than anything else, the Nets will need strong production from the wings. The general strategy against the Nets right now is the same as it was last year: pack the paint, double Brook Lopez in the post, and dare them to beat you with the outside shot. With Anthony Morrow and rookie Damion James injured--and Terrence Williams in Houston--the Nets will have to rely heavily on free-agent signings Jordan Farmar and Travis Outlaw, both of whom are shooting under 40% for the season. Let me mention, too, that Lopez is having a terrible season; he seems to have lost much of his aggressiveness and his offensive game actually degrades the closer he gets to the hoop. He needs to reverse that.

Thanks to "Dumpy" for these great answers.

If the Raps don't win this one I am not sure where the next W is going to come from. Just look at the schedule ahead:

Lakers

Pistons (you know they will want to avenge that loss)

Grizzlies

Mavericks

Rockets

That takes you to the end of December. There isn't a easy win there and the last three games are on the road where the Raps struggle mightily going 3-10. If you want the Raps to increase their chances at a high pick you look at this schedule favourably. If you are looking to see a young team to take a step forward you are not feeling too good about things right now.

That makes tonight's game an important one. The Raps need to get the W, despite injuries, to help build even the slightest confidence. If they lose this game the rest of 2010 could be ugly.

So what are the keys to tonights game?

1. Get on the Glass: The Raps must do a better jon rebounding the basketball then they did against the Bulls. In what could be an ugly game, second chance points are going to be a key part in determining who comes away with the W. The Raps will need to focus on keeping Brook Lopez off the glass and that job will fall squarely on the shoulders of Amir Johnson. Here's hoping he can "rebound" from an off-night against the Bulls.

2. Production From the Wings: A lot of talk after the last game about the disappointing production from the Raptors wing-men as of late. I don't see much, if any, reason why DeMar and Sonny can't have a solid game tonight. The Nets will be on the second half of a back-to-back and their wings are no more talented.

3. Close Out: The Raps don't solely have to focus their attention on defending Lopez - they also need to do a solid job defending the 3-ball. Guys are going to need to go over screens and ensure there is a hand in the face of players like the aforementioned Travis Outlaw and newly acquire Sasha Vujacic. If there is one thing the Nets roster has lots of it's three point shooters.

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My keys to the VIP? Score more buckets than your opponent. :)

Other Random Notes:

What a mess in Portland? Roy now wants out. Rudy still wants out. 3 years ago, I would have had them being a legit contender by now. So much for the Pritchard legacy.

For those hind sighters last year insisted Roy would have been their #1 pick if they were a GM. Many of the reasons why he fell so quickly is now becoming apparent. Where would the Raps be if we had drafted Roy? Probably made the playoffs the last two years and bumped in the first round, and with even fewer prospects today.

“Doctors have told the Blazers that Roy’s knee isn’t likely to improve and sources say the feeling within the organization is that he’ll never return to the 22-point per game, perennial All-Star he was the past two seasons. On top of that, Roy is in the first-year of a five-year, $82.3 million contract extension. And sources say his knees are not insured. Add to all that the fact that Roy’s publicly criticized the team’s personnel, and you get a player that no club is likely to trade for. "People would respect Roy more if he came out and said, ‘I’m not playing well, it starts with me, I’ve got to do a better job on both ends of floor,’’ one league executive said.”

So much for the coaching genius of Larry Brown.

“I haven’t died…right now I’m drinking a beer and eating fried chicken. What were you expecting, a funeral?”… RIP Yao.

Amar’e Stoudemire recovered from Wednesday night’s heartbreaking loss to the Boston Celtics by cozying up to Kanye West’s ex-flame, Amber Rose.

by Ustation on Dec 17, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

I so don’t know what to think of Amber Rose. Google her. The ugliest hottie I’ve ever seen?

by Ustation on Dec 17, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Amber Rose

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A Sinéad O’Connor wannabe.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Dec 17, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Anthony Morrow

One of the best value free agent signings of the offseason. I would swap DeRozan or Weems for Morrow in a heartbeat, but I’m sure even a team as sad as the Nets isn’t that stupid.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 17, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

Morrow is obviously better right now, but he’s also 4 years older than DeRozan and has a year of NBA experience on him. I’m not saying DeRozan IS going to be better, but the point is that how good a player is right now doesn’t matter for the Raptors. It’s how good they will be in 2-3 years. Morrow’s going to be pretty much the exact same player. Although with his lack of defense, he’d fit right in with the Raptors.

by Tim W. on Dec 17, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree with Tim

Morrow is a bit of a chucker that doesn’t do much else (so yes, maybe a great fit for the Raptors) – and I’m not so sure I’d close the book on DeRozan that fast. Sonny…. maaaaaaybe.

by MAS11 on Dec 17, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the fact that he’s a shooter who actually hits shots. True Shooting Percentage for his career over 58%, which is approaching Ray Allen territory.

Morrow isn’t great in terms of Wins Produced (below average), but he’s not in negative territory like Weems or DeRozan either.

Plus, he can’t be any worse fighting through a screen than Weems…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 17, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

And if we were a playoff team, looking to improve right now, I’d probably agree with you. However, where the hell is this team going this season? I don’t think I would trade away a player like DeRozan who MIGHT be a good player down the line to add a player like Morrow who is not going to change the fact that this team will win no more than 30 games this season. But your point regarding true shooting ercentage is well taken.

by MAS11 on Dec 17, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But what if we could trade Bargnani for Morrow?

Then everybody wins right?

Except the Nets cause no team with Bargnani will ever win anything…


MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

by Mikthaniel on Dec 17, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, it was ...

a friendly dig at D-Stance that, when listed as a response to your comment on his comment, further colluded the intent so as to not make it incorrectly be construed as an attempt to start (or carry on) an arguement…

Just a cheery jeer for hearing ears…

by Mikthaniel on Dec 17, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, he’d help the team more right now, but the Raptors aren’t built for right now. Kris Humphries is probably better right now than Ed Davis, but I’m certainly not going to want to trade them.

by Tim W. on Dec 17, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d endorse a Humphries trade if his girlfriend sits courtside at every Raptors home game. LOL

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 17, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Tonight also marks the return of Sam Mitchell. Hope they put him up on the scoreboard and he gets a nice ovation from the crowd.

Watching Jay Triano on the sidelines makes me long for the days of Smitch…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 17, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

AGREED + 1 Billion

Shame on all of the Smitch haters. A lot of blame laid at his feat. Blame that should have been reserved for BC due to his pathetic roster moves and Bargnani coddling.

by MAS11 on Dec 17, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, sure

what’s the difference between Smitch and Thibodeau? Smitch is taller, more elegant and can kill anyone, one on one at trash talking….

by renato on Dec 17, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Best Dressed Coach

Anyone miss the suit and tie combos that Smitch used to pull off. That guy was always dressed very well. If he gets a negative reaction (totally a potential outcome in a Toronto sports venue) than that is just pathetic

by sashathefanboy on Dec 17, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

out of timeouts

seriously? smitch?

i’m all for colangelo bashing… but… SMITCH?!

c’mon.

by drebans on Dec 17, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Smitch appeared to be a coach who could motivate and didn’t take any sh!t from the players. Triano looks like an abused spouse half the time with his post-game “I thought we gave a good effort” nonsense. Meanwhile, the Raps could’ve lost by 5 or 25 – there’s no rhyme or reason for his comments.

The glaring weakness was that Smitch needed to be paired with a strong assistant (kind of like the current Raptors have done with PJ Carlesimo).

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 17, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Smitch a good coach?

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Sam was a bully.
Bargs has taken a few digs (as the reason for SM’s dismissal) – but Smitch had run-ins with a number of players (Rafer & Jalen for example), messed up Joey G’s head, and tried to turn Andrea into a SF. Granted, some of these guys have huge egos (not Joey or AB), but I never liked fisherman (ie. the hook) style of coaching.

That said, if Jay could harness a little more of Sam’s feistiness, that might go a long way towards molding the Young dudes.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Dec 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on...

Rafer was a nut bar, Jalen was a prima dona and Joe Grahm!?!? Joey F’ing Grahm??? You’ve got to be kidding me. And finally Bargnani… You know what, I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if Smitch stayed with the Raptors, was allowed to use tough love with Bargs, he would be better for it. Sometimes, I feel like Bargnani has the following attitude: “I don’t have to care about rebounding/defence, because Triangelo says I don’t have to”…

by MAS11 on Dec 17, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn’t care about rebounding or defense when Mitchell was coach. He just didn’t play as much.

by Tim W. on Dec 17, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly,

and he probably would have stayed glued to the bench until he started to care.

by MAS11 on Dec 17, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Bargnani’s trade value is a hell of a lot higher with Triano coaching him than if Mitchell were still coaching.

by Tim W. on Dec 17, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Those run-ins occurred in his first couple of years. I liked Mitchel as a coach because his teams played hard for him.

But I also recognize that Smitch had reached his date of expiry in that last season. He didn’t trust any players other than Bosh and Jose, so his offense became extremely predictable (I’d point out give the rest of the “talent” on that roster, he had good reason to not trust it) and I think the players on that team began to tune him out.

I, too wish that Jay would start channeling his inner Smitch and start employing the hook on some of the more wayward defenders on this team. This year should be about development and developing the correct habits, and playing time is a good teacher.

by siggian on Dec 17, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Raptastic

“There isn’t a easy win there”

It’s the Raps, so there isn’t really an easy win anywhere.

I’m just hoping for some effort tonight.

[Btw, I was at the Halifax Rainmen game last night, which was a close loss for the home team. I don’t think there’s a lights-out shooter in that whole league, which is probably why everybody drives the ball so much, and the defense is so active. It’s a lot of fun to watch.]

by benjibopper on Dec 17, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Harris

I wonder what it would take to pry Harris from the Nets?

by siggian on Dec 17, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

Round and round

The readers here are divided into groups, Pro Bargs – anti Bargs, Tank or Win, Pro Calderon – Anti Calderon, Trade or don’t trade and these discussions go round and round.
I want to change the topic to trading. The other day I suggested trading for Jeff Green , currently on the Thunder’s roster because I see him as a hell of a good player and that team have refused to offer him an extension. Immediately someone said that would not work because of luxury tax. It seems that no matter what trade is suggested there is a technicallity as to why the Raps would’t do it. My response is that until the Raptors are willing to pay what it takes, and do what it takes to get 2 or 3 quality players through trades, then there will always be a loser in Toronto.
As for waiting and hoping for a draft pick, that’s like a diabetic putting their name in a draw for some insulin.

by raptball on Dec 17, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

A trade for Jeff Green would work. I’m not sure what the other person was talking about. You just have to trade the right amount of salary. And the Raptors wouldn’t go into the luxury tax if they extended him because a) we don’t even know if there will BE a luxury tax, and his extension wouldn’t start until the end of the season, after the Raptors stop paying at least $20 million in salary.

The issue I have is whether or not it helps the team in the long term. If the team can acquire him without hurting the longterm potential of the franchise, then fine. But Green is not what the Raptors need. The Raptors need elite level talent. And trading for Green before the deadline might make the Raptors a better team initially, but a worse one down the road. There’s absolutely no point in trying to make the team better before the trade deadline.

And spending loads of cash on a lottery team is a recipe for disaster. Build slow. Spend later.

by Tim W. on Dec 17, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda disagree

Jeff Green is Exactly the type of Small Forward this team needs (seeraptball, we can agree on some things). Great passer, good defender, good shooter, good rebounder. Pretty much a well rounded talent. Way ahead of Sonny Weems and Kleiza. In fact I’d say he’s a better player than he’s gotten credit for as he’s been playing out of position at PF in OKC and 3rd banana to Westbrook and Durant.

Now, you’re right in the fact that we wouldn’t have much to offer the Thunder that they would take for Green (we don’t have much to offer anyone besides a TPE and expirings) but I commented a few weeks back that it may not be a bad idea for the Raps to offer a front-loaded Godfather offer to Green this summer. He’s restricted and if the Raps could put the Thunder in a place where they couldn’t match, we may have a shot.

by MAS11 on Dec 17, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying Green wouldn’t help the team, or that he’s the type of player they need. I think he’s a very good player who has suffered from being played out of position in Oklahoma. The problem with trading for him is that he would probably make the team better, pushing it into mediocre territory, and out of the top 10 of the draft. So what’s the point? More than a guy like Green, the Raptors need an elite player or two, and getting Green before the trade deadline would hurt their chances of that. And what if the Raptors then get a SF drop in the draft, like what happened with Ed Davis?

As for trying to acquire him this summer, I would be fine with that. By then the Raptors would have drafted whoever they are going to draft and have a better idea of what they need. RIght now they need everything.

by Tim W. on Dec 17, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Groupies

I fall into the following:

  • Win is the ONLY way – tanking is for Losers, and a bad “template” for success. That being said, I think Bargs should’ve sat for the Charlotte game. The risk is not worth the benefit, and if this seems like Tanking Incognito, I’m okay with it.
  • Pro/Anti-Bargs … I see Andrea as a piece, and the least of our problems. Plus, I’m a fan of the Raptors. I’m also a fan of players, who actually like Toronto. I also believe, that with the right coaching (including a Big Man coach)), AB could improve on his defensive abilities.
    Defensive Abilities ….. Is that an oxymoron? You can’t teach his Offensive skills (some people think differently), but you can teach positioning, and with a kick in the ass – effort can be extracted (as Jay, on a few occasions, has demonstrated).
  • Trade/Don’t Trade … I belief in the draft, and I believe in trades. F/Agents can be great, but Raps have to pay too much (Toronto eh?), and it’s questionable whether they’ll have the resources (next season) to get someone decent. Of course, when it comes to BC, he certainly has the touch.
    .

by RapthoseLeafs on Dec 17, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

- Mediocrity is for Morons. Trying to eek out wins with less talent, thinking it will help the team longterm, is a bad template for success. Building slowly through the draft is the best way a team that isn’t a sought after NBA destination (like the Lakers) can build a winning team.

- I see Bargnani as the epitome of the Raptors problems. You can’t just get talent and expect to win. You need the right KIND of talent. And defense IS a talent. It takes knowledge and the ability to play it instinctively. A player can learn how to be a good shooter far more easily than he can learn to be a good defender.

Case in point: Bruce Bowen. He was a very good defensive player who couldn’t shoot a lick. in the 02-03 season he lead the league in three point shooting.

Derrick Rose has vastly improved his 3-point shooting this year so now he’s shooting a very good 40%, which is why he’s averaging 25 ppg.

I’ve never seen a player improve their defense nearly as much, or as often, as players have improved their shooting.

And you can easily teach the skills that Bargnani has. How do you think HE learned them? The problem, though, is that most 7 footers are simply not coordinated enough to do it well. If Bargnani were 4 inches shorter, he wouldn’t be unique in the least.

- The Raptors are not going to get elite talent through anything but the draft, and that’s where they have to focus. They can make trades before the deadline this season to get marginally better, but it will do more harm in the long term than good in the short term, so what’s the point? I think trading guys like Barbosa for a draft pick or two are the types of trades they should focus on.

by Tim W. on Dec 17, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

On those points

On building – I guess I don’t have your patience. I see what Boston did a few years back, and I say why not. Of course there are a few differences, the important one being, they have been willing to spend to make it happen. So , I see it doable sooner than later.
Some of you love the draft option and in fact it’s fun come June with all the speculating and so on. Yet it is really just a “pig in a poke” as to what you end up with. If you get a pick below the 3 spot, you very likely getting a good player but not a great player. It will take years to see what this good player(ie Derozen) can become.
Which brings me to Green again, the Thunder have been unwilling to extend his contract because they are penny pinchers like Toronto and they have/had a couple of other studs they want to secure first. So dispite my limited understanding of all these rules, I would talk to OKC about some type of sign and trade or whatever to get this kid on board. I’m not sure that Green is the go to star I think he can be but he has prooven more potental than Derozen and Sonny. He is just twenty four also.

by raptball on Dec 17, 2010 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

The way Boston did it is the exception, and the less likely route to success. Unless you can find a dupe like Kevin McHale to basically give you his superstar, then you’re not going to have much success. The reason I’m so patient is because I know you have to be. That’s how the majority of contenders are built.

And obviously nothing is guaranteed. So much is out of your hands. You can’t control whether or not you pick in the top three, or even whether there will be a franchise player available there if you do. But you play the odds, and the odds say that the best way for long term success as a contender, not just a team that competes.

I’ve absolutely nothing against acquiring Jeff Green. I think he’s a very good small forward. I just don’t think it’s the right time to trade for him.

by Tim W. on Dec 17, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

PS

I got the liking for Green in the first year he played with Durrant. At that time Green was more prominent but since then has been forced into the shadow of Durrant, I believe he can become special once the keys are given to him.

by raptball on Dec 17, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

Dude, you need to learn how to use the "reply" option

Try and keep the threads in order my man. When you want to offer your opinion on a specific post, just hit reply. Makes things easier to follow. But hells ya, big fan of Green as well, and I think he’s a player the raps could go after this summer. However, not sure he’s a “give’m the keys” kinda guy. He’s a glue guy, a talented one though.

by MAS11 on Dec 17, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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