Tip-In: Raptors Lose Shoot-Out to Nuggets 123 to 116
The Toronto Raptors had no answer for anything the Denver Nuggets did offensively, losing their fourth straight game last night at the ACC. Now, they need to tun around and head to Detroit
"Our fours couldn't stay at all with Harrington...he just drove past them and used his quickness and they spread the floor."
"He's a nightmare matchup for guys. I couldn't keep Ed Davis on the floor, I couldn't play Amir (Johnson) because they couldn't guard him. I had to go with somebody smaller."
If you watched last night's 123 to 116 barn-burner between the Toronto Raptors and the Denver Nuggets, you know exactly why the above quote is so important.
Al Harrington was indeed the difference maker in the Nuggets' win, a win minus their superstar, Carmello Anthony, as it was Harrington that repeatedly forced Toronto to adjust on D and created mismatch after mismatch.
He finished with 31 points and 6 rebounds in the win, but had plenty of help from his teammates as the Nuggs dropped a now Raptors record 74 points on the Dinos at the half, and shot a blistering 57 per cent from the field overall. Toronto lit it up from the field as well shooting 51 per cent in the match, but got behind be nearly 20 points in the third quarter thanks to a series of turnovers and horrendous defensive plays, and just couldn't climb all the way back.
After a big 3 by Andrea Bargnani in the game's final minute, Toronto got the stop they needed on D, only to have a miscommunication between Linas Kleiza and Sonny Weems result in the ball bouncing out of bounds off of the Raps, giving the ball right back to Denver, and forcing Toronto to foul.
Game over.
1000th win for George Karl.
The loss was Toronto's fourth straight, and now they have the unenviable task of turning around and heading to Detroit to take on the Pistons tonight.
To me, there's not a lot of analysis needed regarding last night's loss. If you look up and down the box score, from shooting to rebounding, Denver was just a tad better, and it showed up in the final score. The Raptors' defense was abysmal as usual, and the Nuggets had a better game plan overall, one that made sure that Al Harrington was very involved on offence.
On the flip side, I didn't think Andrea Bargnani was involved enough on O. He played 40 minutes but took two less shots than Harrington, and as we've seen so often in the past, without him involved on offence, the other parts of his game can become pretty invisible. He had only one rebound heading into the match's final minutes, and after a great start in which he had three free-throw attempts in the game's first minute, he had only five more the rest of the way. As has occurred in the past, his teammates kinda forgot about him I thought, and considering he's the team's most legit offensive weapon, he simply needs more touches in games like this. Nene was a tough match-up for him all night and if Andrea doesn't get a chance to get those points back at the other end, it really diminishes from his overall impact in games.
On the plus side, some of Toronto's wing players got back in fans' good books.
Sonny Weems had 21 points but took much better shots overall, finishing 10 of 17 on the night. He was also extremely active all over the court, with 7 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals.
Leandro Barbosa was 8 of 12 en route to 22 points, including some timely ones that helped the Raptors get back in the game in the fourth quarter.
And nice to meet you Mr. Kleiza.
Linas Kleiza busted out of his slump en route to dropping 26 and 12 on his former team.
However I wasn't as impressed as some people were with his performance. I thought a lot of his offence last night came at the expense of good ball movement and defensively he left a lot to be desired. A good chunk of his scoring too came from beyond the arc so I'm going to wait a few games before getting too excited about the rebirth of Linas.
For me the most important wing performances last night were those of DeMar DeRozan and Julian Wright.
On one side, DeRozan. After some aggressive takes fairly early, again he was invisible in this one and shot only 3 of 11 from the floor. You can just see defenders now daring him to take open jumpers and he's simply got to start knocking them down. In a wide open, no defense game like last night's, DeRozan is the type who should thrive. Instead, numerous times I had to make sure he was even on the court as he simply didn't attack with the ball, deferring to teammates. That's fine to a certain extent when guys like Kleiza are on fire. But Toronto desperately needs what he can bring to the table offensively and last night he didn't make a single trip to the free-throw line.
Contrast that to Julian Wright.
In only about 15 minutes Wright was a team-high +6, had two free throw attempts, and simply hustled his ass off. You could immediately tell when he was on the court whether it was because of a nice put-back off a Toronto miss, or simply getting after it on D. I'm not sure how Triano's going to do it, especially if Kleiza plays like last night consistently, but Wright does things on the court, especially defensively, that this team needs in order to win.
Luckily there could be two wins in the Raptors' future.
Tonight they face off against the Detroit Pistons, who are coming off a loss last night to Minny, and then next week's first tilt is against the 8 and 14 Charlotte Bobcats.
Let's cut to the keys to a win tonight over Big D first:
1) More Andrea. We've seen how horrendous the Raptors can be on D. Unless there are major personnel moves, I can't see this changing which means Toronto again this season is going to have to rely a lot of the time on their O to get wins. And for more O, I'd like to see more Andrea. I've been one of Bargs' harshest critics the past few seasons but offensively, he's really developing a dynamic skill set. Even last night in an "off" night, he looked like he could dominate his match-up every single time down the court.
But the Raps can't forget about him.
That's not to say I want to see Andrea the black hole, but after his explosion vs the Knicks, I want to see just how badly he wants to take over games, and how effective he can be at initiating the offense and getting his teammates involved.
2) More fire. The Raptors are the 4th worst team in the league in terms of defensive efficiency. The 5th worst? The Pistons. The difference is, Detroit is also one of the least efficient offensive clubs so tonight I want to see another all-out offensive attack by the Raps, something I don't think the Pistons can replicate.
This means though that the Dinos get better play at the 1. Jose Calderon won't make the trip to Detroit so the onus is on Jerryd Bayless to step up against a similar guard in Rodney Stuckey. I thought the absence of Jose Calderon was a big factor in last night's loss as Jerryd Bayless struggled with his shot, and with foul issues at times, and on many occasions when it seemed the Raps needed a timely bucket or execution on a play, things were just a bit too scrambly.
I'm hoping to see improvement in this capacity tonight.
3) More boards. One of the big plusses from this Toronto team this year has been the club's rebounding. They've been one of the best in the league in this capacity, and it's helped garner extra possessions and extra buckets leading to wins. However last night Denver out-rebounded Toronto without their best board grabber, Carmello Anthony, and even against the Knicks and Pacers, the Raps haven't had the advantage in this area that perhaps they should have.
Detroit ranks 28th in rebounding rate so it's pretty obvious that this is a big point. If the Raps can dominate inside, then this only bodes well for a 9th win on the season.
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Re: Andrea Bargnani not being involved enough
I emeber hearing Leo nattering on aout this as well in the post game wrap up… Look the guy took 17 shots and was 7 of 17 including 2 for 7 from 3 point range. If he was hitting his shots, he would have been more effective. Plus he had a a woeful 3 rebounds, zero offensively. Maybe Andrea needs to go get the ball on the offensive glass and put it back every now and then to suplement his offnsce.
completely agree
there are a few problems with the idea that Andrea needs more touches:
1) what about the other guys? Should Weems, Kleiza and Barbossa not have got as many touches? These guys were on… they should get the ball to.
2) he needs to get it going offensively to thereby get it going defensively. Ok I can see that… but can’t that then be applied to everyone? If its an excuse for Andrea, why can’t it be an excuse for everyone else? How do you distribute the ball if everyone needs it to get it going offensively in order to improve defensively
3) bad shooting nights… well now what? Keep giving him the ball when he is missing in hopes that he starts nailing shots… in the mean time no one else gets involved? It just leads to wasted opportunities
If he is not getting the ball or the touches he ‘needs’ or ‘wants’, like MAS said, crash the damn boards. The rule shouldn’t be get Andrea the ball so he does other things better, it should be when Andrea does other things better he gets the ball….
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 11, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
nah I do
problem is sometimes one can’t see the forest for the trees…..
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 11, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
I watched Bargnani go 7 for 17 and Nene abuse him in the paint.
even flow: you just dont get basketball
by untouchable_21 on Dec 11, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
The Missmach of the game !!!
Billups went where, and did what, he wanted with 21pts, 11 assists, with 11/13 FT’s vs a very overmatched defensively Bayless with 1/9 and 3pts and Barbosa, who was able to at least score, if not defend.
Why get the ball to Andrea to shoot ???
Andrea made one less basket than his avg FG of 47% on a so called poor shooting night, 7/17 being 41% and 8/17 being 47%.
He also made 8/8 FT’s while the other 8 who played made a total of 6 FT’s with Barbosa making 4/6, and Sonny and DeMar and Amir zero FT’s, an unaceptable event.
Why give your best player more shots when your PG is shooting 1/9 and your SG 3/11, the reason should be obvious to a blind man given the numbers.
no one is saying he shouldn't get shots
its just he shouldn’t need more shots.
Games like NY etc, sure keep feeding him the ball. I’m always for a team giving the ball to the hot hand. Bargs didn’t have a hot hand last night… he had a pretty average shooting night.. and a pretty average shot chart (for Bargs). Kleiza, Barbossa and Weems all had it going and took more shots than usual. Thats exactly how it should be.
As for Bayless.. yep lots of missed shots, but 3 were wide and shouldn’t have passed them up anyways, and a few more were drives where he didn’t get calls. Derozan took 6 in the first quarter (went 3 for 6) and then 5 for the rest of the game… thats not exactly chucking up shots.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 11, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
A few observations
Last nights game demonstrated the problem with Bargs playing center. Nene pushed him around like a shopping cart. He is a natural 4 and can’t handle big strong centers. Nene backed him right into the paint on offense and pushed him right off the block on his post ups.
I am very impressed with Kleiza’s ball handling ability, he needs a more clear role on the team. I think he did what he did because he wanted to proove something to hiis old team.
As for defense, there were many times when Billops drove to the hoop past our point guard and simply passed over a little dish to Nene for a dunk once Bargnani stepped over to help.
Now I’m sure that there are the usual bunch that will blame it all on Bargs but really there needs to be secondary rotation to cover once our Center steps away from his man to help.
Kleiza's ball handling ability
Last night may be the first time all season where Kleiza DIDN’T force an agregious turnover by dribbling off of his leg. Sorry, a bit of an exaggeration I know, but he’s often looked like he has hands made of stone when he dribbles and he has coughed it up quite often.
Offence had nothing to do with it.
The loss to Denver had nothing to do with offence. We scored 116 points which should be plenty in this league. Bargs’ number of touches had nothing to do with the outcome of this game. The distribution of shots between Weems, Demar, Kleiza and Barbosa had nothing to do with it either.
Yet that is what we talk about? I don’t get it.
The loss had everything to do with defence. You can’t give up 123 points and expect to win in this league. Full stop. The Raps have now given up 123, 113, 124, and 116 points in their last 4 games. Brutal. I realize the defensive potential of this group is limited but they must do better than this or else they won’t win another game.
I don’t mean to pin this on Bargs (there is plenty of blame to go around to be sure) but as the guy playing the 5 he is our last line of defence and should be the anchor of the defence. Of course, he simply does not have the ability/mind set/desire to fill this role.
IMO the team needs a defensive minded shot blocking specialist who can rebound at the 5 more than they need a scoring specialist with a soft jumper at that spot. Javalle McGee or a Gortat would be two possible solutions for the futurre. Thoughts? Suggestions?
If Weems can play like he did last night all the time he will be fine.
The invisible man aka Demar Derozan does not deserve to start. His lack of improvement is becoming a great concern.
When Amir has a good game we win. When Amir has an average or poor game we lose. Triano needs to do a better job of getting and keeping Amir in the flow of the game ie don’t force him to guard guys like Stoudemire one on one and pick up early fouls and maybe run some early pick & roll action for him at the other end.
Point taken. It’s pretty funny to read comments about what the Raptors should have done offensively when, as you mentioned, they have given up an obscene amount of points in the last four games and appear unable to stop a Division 3 player inside or outside. Try getting a stop or two. 116 points should be more than enough offence to get a win in a regulation NBA game.
But hey, four of the Raptors had great fantasy lines. The glass is half full!
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 11, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Crystal ball
Did anyone else get the feeling they were gazing into a crystal ball while watching Al Harrington light up the Raptors last night? A player – whose one skill is scoring the rock – providing an offensive spark off the bench for an above average team. Andrea Bargnani, I have seen your future…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions
HEY!
Don’t ruin one of this week’s posts D Stance ;)
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Dec 11, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad BC wouldnt agree with your fortune telling… I do though!
by untouchable_21 on Dec 11, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Raptors Success After Leaving
Completley unrelated…many former Raptors players find success after leaving the Toronto organization, most recently Marco would be an example.
But I think Kris Humphries has just taken the cake. Kris has improved his scoring by far after leaving the raptors!
by WinnipegRaptorFan on Dec 11, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions




























