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3 in the Key - Raptors' Game-Day Preview vs. The Nuggets

After suffering a tough loss against the Knicks the Raptors return home for a Friday night affair against the 13 and 8 Denver Nuggets.

Another tough test for the Dinos but can they steal a win against a team whose best player might be on the block?

Star-divide

The 2003 NBA Draft is not one that will soon be forgotten. That years draft class pumped new super-star blood through the NBA body. LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Darko, and of course Carmelo Anthony.

Of the four superstars that came out of that draft, Carmelo has forged his own path. When it was time to sign the first extension he took the max as opposed to the shortened deal. He clearly didn't have plans to team up with his class mates years later and rumour has it he wants to head back to his hometown, to the mecca of basketball, and restore some long lost magic to an iconic  franchise. He's...well....he's the anti-Lebron.

Raptors fans can sympathize with what Nuggets fans must be feeling. A superstar in the final year of his contract is a nightmare for any fan not cheering for the Heat, the Knicks, the Lakers and oddly enough, the Spurs. Despite the NBA's best attempts in the current Collective Bargaining Agreement, small and "less desirable" markets continue to have trouble retaining their stars.

Look at the 2003 draft class and only Wade is still with his original team.

How the Nuggets are currently playing is almost secondary to what the organization can get in return for their prime time player and as a Raptors fan I will be watching closely to see if the Nuggets are able to secure a boat load more than what Colangelo received when Bosh had decided to take his talents to South Beach.

All of the distraction, plus the numerous of injuries plaguing this Nuggets team (Martin, Anderson, makes for a great opportunity for the Raps to steal a win - provided they play a little better than they did in Indiana, and I actually think they will.

The Raptors remain a bit of a mystery to me even though they have played 22 games already this season. Last year the team had trouble against team with better than a .500 record, yet this season, despite less talent, the Raps have won games against some of the leagues elite teams in Boston, Orlando and OKC (albeit without Durant). Despite results of the past few games, from a macro level I am still pleasantly surprised by this team. Stealing a game against the Nuggets would just be another step in the right direction.

So what are the keys to tonight's game?

1. Make Someone Other Than Melo Beat You - Given the injuries the Raps can afford to spend most of their collective effort trying to slow Carmelo on the defensive end. If Anthony is forced to give up the rock it will be on players like Chauncey Billups, Nene and Aaron Afflalo to get the job done. As a Raps fan you would rather see Billups, shooting a horribly low percentage on the year, putting up shots than the former NCAA Champion. The one caveat here? The Raps absolutely must close out on JR Smith. He is the one guy that, if left open, could fill it up from deep.

2. Bench Play- With all of the injuries to quality Nugget players, it will be the Raptors bench that really need to get the job done tonight. Barbosa, Kleiza, Bayless and Davis need to play quality minutes and help the starters. Bench depth might be the Raps biggest advantage on this evening and the crew coming off the pine must badly outscore their Nugget counterparts.

3. Feed Bargnani - After an offensive outburst against the Knicks the Raps need to feed Il Mago right off the bat to see if he is still feeling it. The Nuggets have no-one who can match-up against the big Italian and getting him going will go a long way. Bargnani needs to be the offensive center piece to tonight's game. Hopefully he is up to the task two night's in a row. 

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I expect Bargnani to continue where he left off on Wednesday. Traino is making it clear to feed him inside.
On a side note, don’t you think he’s playing more of a PF game? His natural position. In the midst of this rebuilding, I hope BC is looking for a big centre to clog the lanes. Bargnani will never be the defender we want at C and its clear to me it is because he isn’t a C.
Even his numbers reflect that. If we are gonna compare him to Dirk, a PF, let him play his position.

by Tinmann on Dec 10, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

I think Bargnani’s best one-on-one defensive matchups are against centres and for that reason he needs to keep playing “centre”, but alongside a PF who provides the help defense that Bargnani doesn’t seem to be proficient in. For that reason, ED and AJ are both potentially good partners for AB. Mobile PFs will have a field day against a front line of Bargnani and some typical big centre.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

with “Mobile PFs will have a field day against a front line of Bargnani and some typical big centre.”

by Tinmann on Dec 10, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Great observation Tinmann. I was reading a bunch of stuff from T Jose Caldeford last night and catching up on some metrics regarding Bargs and was thinking the same thing; he’s playing much more like a PF lately, especially on offense.

And I’m fine with that as that’s what I envisioned before the season began; a frontcourt of him at the 4 and Amir at the 5.

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

“Positions” in basketball is a bit of a joke. It’s unlike sports like Baseball or Football where you have a very very limited and defined role.

As I’ve told my players.. if you’re assigned a position in basketball, it means you have some kind of limitation.

Having said that.. in the history of basketball there are very few “perfect” players. What position was Magic Johnson? Who was he supposed to defend? Who are you going to defend him?

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed and in addition...

The position you play Bargnani at only refers to who he is going to defend…

Triano has no control over who defends Bargnani so you can’t say “We should play Bargnani at PF on offence because he would dominate other PF’s”

The fact is, the opposing coach can play a PG on him if he chooses, but in most cases is likely to have his Center pick up the assignment…

You can only call Bargs a Center or Power Forward etc. etc. in regards to who you intend him to defend… and he is much better off defending Centers man-to-man than mobile 4’s…

His offense is going to have to come against whoever the opposing coach chooses to defend him…

Now if we got a legit bruiser of a Center who demended the opposing team put their Center on him, THEN you can begin to dictate which position Bargs plays on offense… but we don’t have a strong force at Center to be able to do that…

Yet, … Alabi may surprise (HUGE fingers crossed but not likely) and we have trade-able assets to get one if he doesn’t but we don’t have the tools yet…

by Mikthaniel on Dec 10, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Tinman, I don’t think Bargnani can defend the Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, Chris Bosh, Kenyan Martin type of PFs. Obviously, it’s everything is matchup dependant. Against the Bulls for example, I would guard Boozer(PF) with Bargnani and Noah© with Amir. Against the Heat, I’d use Bargnani against Anthony/Haslem/Ilgauskas/(name the C or the week) and Amir/Ed/Wright against Bosh.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually some teams this year have mildly effectively used a guard to defend AB on certain plays to try and force him to post. Probably not going to work over 30 minutes, but like a press or zone, switching up sometimes and going small isn’t bad vs Bargs.

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

“switching up sometimes and going small isn’t bad vs Bargs”…….But, it should be. Bargs ought to be able to shoot or pass over a guard or give up the ball and establish deep post position before getting the ball back. He’s been getting better, but by the end of the year he should be automatic when it comes to abusing a small guy who guards him.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Going small isn’t necessarily about what AB can’t do but what he’s doing…

1) There are times when AB is just feeling it from outside. We’ve all seen it when he’s in the zone, and your big feels uncomfortable going out there. If your big heads out, this opens up ABs ability to drive.

If you go small you shut down his ability to drive, invite him to post and try and double down low.

2) When you need a steal, use a small to again invite him down low. Bigs aren’t going to do it up top.

3) Use a small to deny AB from back door bounce cuts, which he’s doing better at (albeit it opens the lob, which again, he’s gotten better at)

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

for example.. if I have Shaq or Zach Randolph on AB and he’s shooting the lights out up top, I might try to disrupt him with Rondo or Conley for a play or two.

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Great points. Felton actually did a nice job preventing Bargnani from putting the ball on the floor during the final play of the Knicks game, which forced him to launch a shot several feet off the three-point line. But that’s a one-off situation with a limited amount of time on the clock.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, and if the Raptors had another reliable 3-pt shooter Bargs could have easily passed over Felton to get him the ball.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt. It’s pretyy much Bayless, Calderon and the corpse of Stojakovic. And it’s not as if Bayless and Calderon are high volume three-point shooters… which is why I’d be mildly intrigued by a player like JR Smith.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 10, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

..wait.. we want more 3 pointers?? What a difference a year makes. :)

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe J.Kap is available? ;)

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I see what you are saying, but this would force a rotation and their should be an exploitable mismatch(say a PF has to cover DeRozan who could drive by him) and Bargnani shouldn’t have a problem passing over his own man to get the ball to the player with a plum situation to exploit. Of course, Bargs has to demonstrate that he can make the right reads and decisions on a consistent basis. That should be easier when guarded by a player that he can easily see over.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Statement game for Weems

If the Knicks game was a statement game for Bargnani with his matchup against Stoudamire then this game is a chance for Weems to show that he can be a legitimate NBA starter by stepping up and making Anthony work his ass off to score. I want to see Weems chasing Anthony over screens, blocking him out on the offensive glass and running him off screens at the other end of the floor. None of those things are beyond his abilities. No unnecessary chucking, just focus on taking Anthony out of the game that he wants to play and then score on easy chances when they come along(open jumpers, fast breaks, etc).

Sonny, let’s see you step up tonight and make Anthony’s life hard. This is a great chance to get back on track. I hope you can step up and grab it.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

ANTHONY Game Time Decision

here’s hoping he doesn’t play.

maybe DEN sees this game as the best option for him to rest up….

by drebans on Dec 10, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree DW19. I’d say as a fourth “key” tonight, it’s the play of Toronto’s wings. Was going through some stats last night and wow, Weems and DeRozan have been abysmal.

One solution though is not to play him at the 3. Statistically he’s much better at the 2 than 3…but that of course begs the question “what to do with DeMar,” and “who plays the 3,” the latter being a major issue considering Kleiza’s struggles and Triano’s reluctance to play Wright.

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting match-up

I think we are well equiped to play against the nuggets.

We are the 5th best rebounding team in the NBA – they are 22nd. Johnson, Davis, Dorsey and hell, even Bargs should be able to pull down the rock all game.

Calderon can keep up with billups on both ends of the floor.
Bayless vs Lawson i’m actually REALLY excited to see.

I think this game is going to come down to the Raptors ability to score efficiently. I think we will get 5-8 more possessions than DEN, so as long as we can make the best of it, this is a winnable game.

by drebans on Dec 10, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Nuggets bench

Funny enough, given their injuries the Nuggets could probably use Kleiza right about now. Ah, the irony…

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Lets trade him this morning

wrap up paperwork by 4 and he can be coming off their bench in the 2nd quarter.

by Tinmann on Dec 10, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Mistafitz brought up an interesting point about the timing of the Alabi call up. Are they showcasing him for Denver Nuggets GM Masai Ujiri? Could we see major minutes for both Alabi and Kleiza tonight, setting the table for a “blockbuster” deal? LOL

I’ll take JR Smith in return, please…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 10, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t you think JR would hog the ball here, and try to be the star. That said, he is an expiring contract that is often in George Karl’s doghouse….

by JumpShootersRUS on Dec 10, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Why JR?

I would never have thought he was your kind of player. Interesting.

by raptor rabid on Dec 10, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Make no mistake, he doesn’t strike me as the most mature or well-adjusted player in the league. But he would fill it up from the wing more consistently than either Weems or DeRozan. And he’d address a glaring need by knocking down the three.

Denver is +9.8 points per 100 possessions with Smith on the court (Weems and DeRozan are both in negative territory).

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 10, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Sonny and DeMar

Sonny has to prove he can be an NBA player who can score and defend at his position, or not be resigned by BC..
 DeMar has to play to improve, as at only 21 he has more time than Sonny to grow, and improve, and he will, while Sonny may be who he is now.

by Johnn19 on Dec 10, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

+1.. see my post yesterday (re: worst defensive player on the Raps)

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

See my comments above on both wings…no question they really need to step it up. And not just Weems and DeRozan in fact; also Kleiza and Barbosa.

Maybe Peja time if he’s healthy??

Gulp.

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

6 million dollars. His contract is up at the end of this season.

by JumpShootersRUS on Dec 10, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Alabi

Solo is here to practice against NBA players, take instruction from NBA coaches, and play only in garbage time, if dressed, or if Davis, Amir, Andrea, or Dorsey are injured.

by Johnn19 on Dec 10, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

So says Doug Smith…

Let’s see if Alabi plays tonight. It’s just a theory – but if he sees the floor at all tonight then the Ujiri theory might have some legs.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 10, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Also SO SAYS Jay Triano, which is where Smith goit it !

by Johnn19 on Dec 10, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, your coach isn’t going to say “we brought him up to showcase him for the GM of the team we are playing tonight”. But agree with the logic of Triano and (gasp) Doug Smith — it sounds like the D League is a bit of a gong show, and the goals are not aligned between the NBA club and the D league affiliate. That’s a shame.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 10, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Its tough.. our D league team is SHARED with the Cavs. There aren’t enough players to form a team specific D team (i.e. an all Raps D team)

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

On a scale of 1 to 10, how ironic is it that we share our D League team with the Cavs?

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 10, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

At least a 27, maybe even 28…

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nuh uh.

My calculations say 26.4872. That rounds down.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Dec 10, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We are only 5 days away from the day that Kleiza can be traded…

Toronto usually gets the short end of the stick in deals when it comes to including picks…Maybe they could do Kleiza plus Alabi for JR + the right to swap the Miami pick with Denver’s pick.

by JumpShootersRUS on Dec 10, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

DStance,

I can not bring JR Smith to Toronto for you, but I could deliver him to your fantasy team…

by JumpShootersRUS on Dec 10, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Anthony

I know Carmelo suffered an injury just before the celtics game. Is he ready to play?

by ZM15 on Dec 10, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

What Raptors need

An experienced 2/3 who can score regularly in double digits, as a complement to Bargnani, defend consistently 2/3s,and shoot jump shots, and the 3 pt shot consistently.

Is it Sonny or Barbosa, or Wright. I have my doubts. It is a BC priority to find that skillset.

DeMar in his 2nd yr has 2 more years to grow before a decision has to be made on him.
Sonny has 60 games or less.

by Johnn19 on Dec 10, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

I think it such a shame that the Raptors are not playing Julian Wright more and Sonny Weems, DeRozan less…

25 minutes a night is plenty of opportunity to develop for Weems and DeRozan. On a winning team, they would not deserve 10 right now.

When all is said and done, I am not convinced that either Weems or DeRozan will be impact wings. I do not see Julian Wright doing that, but I think he could make a very good bench player who comes in to provide D, hustle, rebounding. DeMar and Weems will never be that kind of player. They will be boom or bust in my opinion…

by JumpShootersRUS on Dec 10, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Iggy

I think the previous comments beg the question, should Toronto make a play for Iggy?

On paper, yes, he’s a bit over-paid, and acquiring him would screw up the lottery idea but…

…considering the dilemma I pointed out recently regarding the team’s unlikely shot at a top lottery pick, maybe you need to do it?

Not advocating one or the other, just some food for thought.

Ideally the team gets a top 10 pick, and then can make a move for an Iggy type in the off-season when a club like Philly gets really desperate for a change.

However there are a TON of “ifs” in the meantime, including if there will even be a season next year…

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Iggy is perfect

He’s exactly the kind of athletic wing we need. His age is perfect, his ability to defend is underrated, and he can create his own shot in crunch time , but does not require the rock being spoon-fed to him all game.

He would also correct a historic draft blunder.

Is he too expensive? Not In my books. I’d WAY rather have him than Melo – and WOW tells a similar story.

Good playoff teams need a ‘base’ of 3 players in the top 5 at their position. Iggy would give us of those top 5 players, and how you feel about Bargs and Calderone as the other pieces of the base is then up for discussion.

by CamHilton on Dec 10, 2010 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not an Iguodala fan

Franchise, Iguodala is not hurting the Sixers chances of landing a top lottery pick :P

When the Raptors played the Sixers, Iguodala’s body language was abysmal. Unless he has had a major attitude makeover I would not welcome him on the Raps. He’d be like a more athletic version of the Ottoman.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Solid point!

Although I think the pieces around Iggy have more to do with Philly’s issues than just Iguodala…believe he’d be a boost in TO.

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that I dislike the guy

by he has proven he cannot make a shot to save his life… that is why he is overpaid….

by renato on Dec 10, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I am not anti the Iggy idea. I actually when I was playing around in my OJ Mayo fan post, I toyed with the idea of adding him and Mayo.

I know it could be tough to give up on Weems and DeRozan, but I would be happy to see some better young wings.

Iggy and Bargs could use a smooth shooter out there with them at the 2/3, as long as said player could be decent defensively.

by JumpShootersRUS on Dec 10, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Iggy...

He is overpaid, and his contract is too long, but he could provide this team with a solid slasher/defender…

he can create his own shot in crunch time , but does not require the rock being spoon-fed to him all game.

I would be very happy to see this in Toronto. I think Iggy is at his most valuable when he is not taking many shots. I would love to see him handle the ball a little less. He would be perfect playing Ariza’s role in LA a couple of years ago….Sonny Weems and DeMar would have to be our Kobe Bryant :(

by JumpShootersRUS on Dec 10, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Iggy

Couldn’t be against this idea any more than I am.

1. Over-paid
2. Established third banana on a contending team – we still don’t have a first or second banana.
3. Why are we rushing a re-build? It’s not like this team is going the way of the Sonics or Hornets. Can this team finally rebuild properly? PLEASE!
4. Adding Iggy helps establish this team as one fighting for a 5-8 position for the next few years. No thanks. We’ve been down that rabbit hole and it’s not pretty.

This team is actually playing BETTER than I expected. It’s meant to be a year of growth. Let it be just that.

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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 10, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Happy to see you back, althought

" Established third banana on a contending team – we still don’t have a first or second banana."

That is a bit harsh. Some people thought we had a second banana though.Give the evidence, not even a good third.

by renato on Dec 10, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

We might need to have a jump ball on this Howland…my issue is that the team isn’t “bad enough” to properly rebuild unless they get really lucky in the draft…so the mediocrity will continue…

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

IRVING

looks like Irving will be out for the season, so its really just a two horse race with Perry Jones and Harrison Barnes.

seems like pick 3-10 won’t have a huge disparity in talent…

so with that in mind.
I couldn’t agree more with getting out of mediocrity, whether it’s moving up or moving down.

Picks don’t guarantee anything (see Timberwolves, Minnesota + Clippers, Los Angeles + Bobcats, Charlotte + Bargnani, Andrea)

It’s probably best for us to build like the Pacers – draft smart. Pacers grabbed both Granger and Hibbert with Pick 17

by drebans on Dec 10, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

draftng and tanking

I agree with you because its reasons like you suggested that say tanking this season for a draft pick are just stupid. Why would a team purposely lose to try and get a CHANCE at a good pick?

by untouchable_21 on Dec 10, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

And I don't even want to talk about Irving...

…crushed if he’s done for the year. My Blue Devils could have been really special this season…

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be sad

You have Austin Rivers and Quinn Cook on the way next year, you’ll be fine

by HDave on Dec 10, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The point is...

they are rebuilding – and properly. DeRozan, Weems, Davis, Alabi, Bayless, Amir, Bargnani….all young dudes who to me are actually winning games they shouldn’t. That a TERRIFIC thing. Let them keep growing and add another piece in the draft.

The only way I commit to a guy who has a contract like Iggy at this point is if it totally changes the franchise in a good way.

He won’t.

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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 10, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d argue about the rebuilding being done in a “proper” fashion but I do like that the Raptors have finally admitted to this need after being in OA for years…

….OA being “Over-rated anonymous”

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Mr Glass half full here

The big rotation is not elite level, but it is not underwhelming either between Andrea, Amir and Davis. Same goes for the back court between the latest Hose,JB and the Brazilian chap. In my opinion, this season, we are being handicapped by wing play, which means that adding talent there, will make the most difference. I agree with Franchise here, this team is not bad enough to get a top 3 pick and getting a winning mentality and a winning “aura” around your team is as important because there is no better way to learn winning than winning…..
So, I would be in favour of getting a good 3, unless there is the expectation still to get something good/great out of DD/Weems. In such a case I would be against giving them the Bargnani treatment (JO)

by renato on Dec 10, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I think this year is about evaluating DD and Weems. One of these players will not be with the team next year because both of them are two inconsistent.

by siggian on Dec 10, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me rec you.

The last thing this team needs right now is to trade for a veteran guy with a too long and too big contract. This year is about evaluating and developing the current players.

The only veteran you should consider bringing in is as an expiring contract, a player you can flip this year or early next year (less desirable), or someone who can assume the leadership of this team and demand defensive effort to start bringing that sort of culture into the club. Iggy is none of these.

by siggian on Dec 10, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Not to mention Iguodala’s contract would kill the cap flexibility that the Raptors will going forward due to Colangelo’s trades of Turkoglu, Jack, etc.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh?

Turkoglu has been exchanged for Barbosa who has this and maybe another year. jack has been traded for an expiring so not sure what you are trying to say

by renato on Dec 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I am saying the Raptors cap situation is a lot better now that it was 6 months ago. If we trade expiring contracts and exemptions for a guy like Iguodala then we had better be sure he is the answer. Because, if Iggy is not the answer then we are right back to square one in terms of financial flexibility(ie we won’t have it anymore).

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

In other random notes:

Who marries someone named LaLa?!?

If When Anthony and Paul gets traded to the east, that’ll shift some of the balance of power and affect the Raps lotto picks. Then there’s Arenas…

Looks like Intercontinental Champion Pat Patterson will get a shot with Houston. So will Ekepe Udoh.

Bosh said that putting on 20 pounds last year made him feel like he was wearing a fat suit and that it caused his hamstring injury.

Funny how Cuban’s trash talking Nets Russian Owner. Awesome stuff.

Grizzlies rank 24th of 30th in attendance in the NBA. Send them back to Vancouver!!

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

+1000. Sadly, I only saw one Grizzlies game at the GM place or Orca Arena or whatever it was called and it was fun.

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Vancouver mentality pisses me off...

I lived in Van for 2 months… during those 2 months I went to 4 Grizzlies games…

I spent on average, $10 per ticket…

I played ball with DOZENS of hardcore ballers, maybe 2 had ever been to a Grizzlies game…

This was the year before they got pulled from the city…

PATHETIC excuse for a your fan base…

I got to see Scottie Pippen play, in person 20 rows back, for $10… SCREW ALL the young punks who didn’t like Big Country Reeves… I SAW SCOTTIE FREAKIN PIPPEN…

by Mikthaniel on Dec 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

i dunno.. hard to blame them as there were some awful awful teams

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I would pay $10 to see Scotti Pippen TALK about basketball...

And I got to see him PLAY basketball…

There is NO EXCUSE for passing that up…

by Mikthaniel on Dec 10, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

How bad was attendance? I can’t seem to recall if that was the major issue or if it was the other surrounding economics…

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by Adam Francis on Dec 10, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The seats I paid for were upper level, the attendance was so low that at the first timeout we moved down to about 20 rows back and weren’t bothered to move back to our seats…

by Mikthaniel on Dec 10, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I did that at the Miami Heat vs Boston Celtics Game last playoff game last year IN Miami!

Got last row tickets the day of, moved to lower bowl section.

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw the Grizzlies play the Bullets and saw Gheorge Muresan take one stride in from the foul line and dunk. I don’t think I have ever seen such a slow moving human being in my life!

The real shame is that Vancouver and Seattle got screwed in very similar fashion where the league approved an owner who clearly wanted to move the team right from the start. BC was going through a real down period economically at the time. Look at them now, with metal prices through the roof, the port of Vancouver busy beyond capacity and the dollar at par the city could easily support the team. Don’t even get me started on Stu Jackson and his single-minded mission to destroy basketball interest in the lower mainland.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

However much I’d love to have an NBA team back in Vancouver, Seattle fans got really, really screwed and should be first on the list to get a team. Moving a team with the history that the Sonics had and the loyal fanbase was one of the worse things the NBA did since allowing Donald Sterling to become an owner.

I realize there were political issues, especially regarding the lack of a new arena, but I think holding a team hostage in order to make the public pay for a new arena is despicable.

As for the Vancouver Grizzlies, you have to remember that it was David Stern that recommended Stu Jackson for the job of President and GM, and then rewarded his complete failure doing the job by hiring him to the second or third most powerful position in the NBA executive. And Michael Heisley is also the devil.

by Tim W. on Dec 10, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I’m not sure whether the Grizzlies would have stayed anyway, but the front office guaranteed they would be a horrible team. It’s hard to get a franchise going if your player acquisition people rival the Clippers people for ineptitude.

by siggian on Dec 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with both of you. In my dreamworld scenario the Hornets would move to OKC, the Thunder would move back to Seattle and the Grizzlies would move back to Vancouver. Not gonna happen…..but it should.

by DW19 on Dec 10, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

In my dream world, Miami moves to Winnipeg.

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Now I know why I dislike you...

GO RIDERS!!!

j/k about the not liking you… I just don’t like your internet persona…

by Mikthaniel on Dec 10, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

LoL.. that’s ok. fyi, I’m not from Winnipeg, I just figure it’d be nice to see Lebron and Wade there.

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, then there is hope for you yet…

by Mikthaniel on Dec 10, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks… it’s too long a season (and last off season, and the previous season, and the..) to keep talking about Andrea.

by Ustation on Dec 10, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

HEDO

No matter how bad things get this year… Just remember, things could have been worse. Poor Pheonix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R74A_167K68&feature=player_embedded

by MAS11 on Dec 10, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

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