Tip-In: Inconsistent Raptors Blazed in Portland, 97 to 84
After a great fight against the Lakers the night before, the Raptors experienced a let down of epic proportions in a 97 to 84 loss. The only solace? A late 3 to keep their streak alive.
So how do you judge the Toronto Raptors road trip?
They went 0 and 4, but did show some fleeting glimpses of promise, something coach Jay Triano alluded to post-game.
The problem is, these glimpses have nor been consistent, nor have they been indicative that the team is moving in the right direction. One night the team puts on a scoring clinic, the next, like last night, they barely top 80 points. One night DeMar DeRozan looks like a block the team can build around for the future, the next, again like last night, he looks like Chris Jeffries.
Yes, consistency I would say is the overall theme for the 2010-11 Raptors so far, or rather, inconsistency. From player performance to team strengths and weaknesses, it seems that they each change day by day, game by game.
And unfortunately I expect that to continue for quite some time.
Jay Triano after the match spoke of "margin of error," and he's right. Until this team plays at a near perfect level consistently through 48 minutes, wins are going to be very hard to come by. The talent simply isn't there, not talent anyways that stands out and can take over a game at this NBA level.
Last night it was Brandon Roy who in the second half carried the team to the finish line but in previous matches it was the likes of Tyreke Evans, Deron Williams and Pau Gasol.
Toronto has no answer for these types and while Andrea Bargnani valiantly tried to play this part yesterday evening, he came up quite short.
DeRozan (who seems to be falling in love with that spin move in the paint), Barbosa (slash Mike James), Kleiza (again far too invisible)...none could come to Toronto's rescue and really the lone stand-outs last night for me were Jose Calderon and Julian Wright. Wright's no offensive wizard, but he gets after it at both ends and looked by far like the freshest Raptor in the match.
So maybe last night was simply a product of fatigue?
After all, the team was playing a back-to-back and was on game four of this West Coast swing.
To me that might explain the lack of lift on jumps shots and the atrocious 38% shooting percentage on the night. But there were too many other familiar gaffes that fans probably can't chalk up to a worn down club.
Poor box-outs, suspect decision-making with the ball, and a multitude of unnecessary turnovers once again.
In fact, if we looked at yesterday's "3 key," you would have to say Toronto whiffed on all trois.
The only thing they hit, much to fans chagrin hopefully, is a late game 3-point shot, their first in 17 tries on the night that meant their spot in the NBA record books was secure for now. Yes, 940-some straight games with a 3 made.
It's indeed a farce as if you look at Toronto's record during that span, I hazard a guess that it's not even .500 level basketball.
Yes, consistently inconsistent.
However on this season, it's indeed still very early so perhaps this consistency will come.
Right now it admittedly seems to be a long ways away however.
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Chris Jeffries Hahahaha!
You’re so right! After such a nice performance against Black Mamba, DeMar looked totally lost and out of place on the court. I cannot understand why players with such athletic abilities do not recover from back 2 backs.
Look at the boxscore and you can see why the Raptors lost. End this team effort BS, DeMar scoring was the missing ingredient to actually winning the game. There needs to be more consistency at the shooting guard and small forward positions.
What summed up DeMar’s game for me last night was when he drove to the bucket and Brandon Roy blocked him off the backboard (I hope that finally woke him up).
Free Reign and Other Points
This has been brought up before but I really do wonder what this team might have looked like if, when drafted, Bargnani had been given the ball and allowed to just play, dropped into the starting line up and treated as primary focal point. I can’t say he has disappointed on the offensive end this year and I’m curious as to whether his defense would be farther along. I’m not going to get into a Bargs vs. Roy comparison. The horse is buried. Just saying the circumstances were way different.
One can ask a similar question of DeRozan vs. Tyreke Evans. Evans was drafted to a bad team and given the ball to do as he pleased last year, emerging as a young “star” in the league. DeRozan was integrated similarly to how Bargs was, but allowed to start.
The argument is that the Raptors set themselves back by not taking their lumps and allowing star potential players to come into their own as soon as possible. I’m hoping that they simply allow Davis to start in place of Evans, let him take his lumps by feeding him as many minutes as he can handle, so that next year the likes of Bargs, DD, and ED are peaking at similar time frames.
Other points
I suspect that Nic Batum looks to really play well against the Raps each time because of the heart concerns their medical staff floated during his draft year. I wouldn’t be surprised if both Aldridge and Roy hold some form of grudge against the Raps. If it hadn’t been a back to back we might have seen a truer representation of the disparity. They still held the team to under 100 points.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
No.
Evans and Roy are simply significantly better players/talents than DeRozan and Bargnani. There is no mystery here. No “but what if”. They are better players.
Hey Interloper, how are you feeling about your statement before the season that you felt the Raptors could win 50 games? Have you kept a list of the people you will pay $100 if the Raps don’t win 30 games? I was one of them. Just making sure you don’t forget… Feeling really comfortable after the 1 and 5 start that my charity will be getting 100 bones care of one HQ Interloper.
Evans and Roy are simply significantly better players/talents than DeRozan and Bargnani. There is no mystery here. No "but what if". They are better players.
+1
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 7, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
as of now maybe, but in the future who knows please don’t dismiss demar right away. Who cares if we lose anyway its not like we didnt expect this. I see progression to get the number 1 pick and if that means sucking for this season then who cares, not like we were gonna win a championship anyway
by raptors_run_the_show on Nov 7, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I'm as big a DeRozan fan as there is...
And encouraged by his baby steps so far this season… But Tyreke Evans is at another level.
That’s a good distinction. DeRozan gets props for raising his scoring level and overall play… but Tyreke Evans is a beast.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 8, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
MAS11, I have not forgotten
I still think 30 games is more than reasonable considering how well they’ve played even in the losing. Also consider how mediocre other teams have looked. 30 is not impossible because I simply don’t see as significant a talent disparity as others but in the event that I have to give up the bones, trust me it will be a pleasure to give it to you or the charity of your choice. Season will be interesting.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Nov 7, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ok just making sure we're still on : )
Notice you didn’t address the comment on your 50 win prediction….
My issue with the Bargs to Roy and DeRozan to Evans comparisons is that I don’t think either Bargs or DD are in the same stratosphere overall as Roy or Evans. I think both Raptors, had they been better on the court in year 1 (although Andrea was fairly solid for a rook), would have made the case for more time ala Roy and Evans.
Remember, Evans was so good as a rook that the Kings moved their best player, Kevin Martin, to accommodate him.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
good point
totally agree with that..roy and evans are better players now than bargs and DD..not to say things cant change and with more chances for DD and bargs this year to grow into bigger roles maybe they’ll develope into those impact players were hoping they become..DD is already having a great year and is avg. 15 pts a game.big leap from the 8 he avg last year. and bargs is avg 24 pts a game and is in the top 10 in scoring in the league i believe (i could be wrong on that) so i believe theres still a chance with theses two.
Martin was injured early no?
Maybe I’m “mis-remembering”, but Kevin Martin was injured. The idea was to play Evans at the point along with Martin at the 2 when Martin returned. Evans came into an ideal scenario to showcase everything he could do and he ran with it. We’re always quick to conclude A is better than B, but think about this in retrospect – whose had the better career overall, Paul Pierce or Vince Carter? In the first couple of years of their career it was no contest but in retrospect they’ve come out pretty comparable, all things considered.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Nov 7, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, he was hurt and Evans thrived in his absence, then he came back, and both couldn’t seem to make it work.
But it takes a lot of belief in Tyreke to move Martin when
a) He JUST came back from injury essentially and
b) You JUST signed him to a HUGE deal.
As for Pierce and Carter, agreed but they were close to begin with. Carter was more exciting and dynamic, Pierce the winner and “heart” type.
I wouldn’t put Andrea anywhere close to Roy at this point, that’s the difference. I don’t even think he’s in the same class as Aldridge in fact.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
How do you conveniently forget
That Aldridge plays WITH Roy, a COMPLEMENTARY player that has likely made him look better at times than he would be if he had been placed in a situation similar to what Bargnani has faced in T.O. Aldridge and Bargnani not being “in the same class” is the kind of statement that makes me suspect some sort of bias.
We watch Bargs every day, get to see a player a couple of times a year who might turn in a good game against the Raps and suddenly dismiss the Raptors talent as supposedly leagues behind. That’s fickle.
And as per Evans: realizing you have a player who can give you similar results for a fraction of the price on a non-playoff bound team, makes the decision to move what you thought was your franchise player very easy if the decision is more about economics than basketball, as that decision likely was. The Maloofs having the sort of issues they’ve had were likely going to make that move regardless of how much belief they had in Evans.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Nov 7, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Chris jeffiers LOL
He had 1 bad game and you compare him to Chris Jeffiers? Hahaha too funny but on a back to back final game on a west coast trip AND guarding 1 of the toughest players in the league of cousre he’s gonna have a hard game. Doesn’t matter how fit and athletic you are back to backs are tiring it happens to everybody that’s just now it is. You can tell tell they didn’t have their legs a lot of their shots were short.
by sherwin316 on Nov 7, 2010 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I actually did a statistical comparison at one point mid-year last season and DeRozan was WORSE than Jeffries! Don’t think that’s the case now, that was more of a one-off comment on how bad DD was last night.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
last year i believe that
but now..hell derozans did better in his summer league performance than jeffries did his entire NBA career lol where the hell is he now anyways?
Just have to remember the positives. The Raptors kept the score pretty low. The Blazers literally could have had their way with them. Also Calderon and Jarrett Jack seemed to have woke up. I think the rap gave a valiant effort especially after fighting a close one against the Lakers the night before.
by Jeffrey Thompson on Nov 7, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions
lets get that pick!!!!!!!!
number 1 pick here we come !!!!!!!!!!!. can we start mock drafts and what not right now?
by raptors_run_the_show on Nov 7, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions
As much as things change...
The solace I take from this road trip is that fact that the last few year’s iterations of the Raps would hardly have fared any better. It was a tough trip and not much different result from ones past. The Bosh-led raptors may haved squeaked out one or two more wins so far this season but easily could have gone 1-6 also.
cause for optimism..
To think that the raps are able to outrebound teams consistently this year without Bosh has got to count for something…
Here’s a great point.
I think based on this alone, once the team gets a little more familiar with each other and the schedule eases up a bit, the wins will come based on this factor provided they keep doing it.
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