Tip-In: Triple-Doubled; Josh Smith and the Hawks Sink the Raptors 96 - 78
The Raptors may have been minus Reggie Evans against the Hawks yesterday afternoon, but as the HQ points out, with the way the rest of the team played, it may not have mattered had he been suited up.
Editor's Note: The HQ is expanding! Since about the end of last season it became clear to the team that they could use a few extra resources to help on the content side, so last month they put out the call to Ryerson's School of Journalism here in Toronto, seeking interns. They've narrowed their list down to a few final candidates, but want readers help in deciding who eventually rounds out the team. To that end, the HQ will be posting work from the finalists, and at the end of it, will seek feedback from you, the readers, as to who should get the gig!
We had our first four intern submissions last this week, and here's our fifth courtesy of Sasha Kalra, contestant number five...
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The Toronto Raptors couldn't execute offensively down the stretch, as the Atlanta Hawks used a strong 3rd quarter to win 96-78.
The euphoria surrounding the Raptors' recent 4 game winning streak seems a thing of the past, and being comprehensively defeated at home doesn't help. It was a case of old habits returning, and it was perhaps fitting that Josh Smith, a player that was drafted 9 positions after Rafael Araujo, had a monster game.
Smith was playing with passion unheard of in these parts, as his 12 points 10 assists and 13 rebounds summed up a complete performance. He even had time to pick up a technical foul midway through the 2nd quarter.
"When he plays with that type of energy, good things just seem to happen for us" said Hawks coach Larry Drew.
The Raptors were without rebounding machine Reggie Evans and three point specialist Peja Stojakovic. The loss of Evans not only left the team without their leading rebounder, but their emotional leader on the court. Joey Dorsey started in place of Evans, as Jay Triano did not want to risk sacrificing his bench's chemistry by inserting Amir Johnson in the starting lineup. Dorsey put in a respectable shift, with 9 points and 6 rebounds in limited minutes.
Andrea Bargnani led the offensively dismal Raptors with 14 points, and DeMar DeRozan chipped in with 13. The team as a whole did not play well, and Jay Triano was critical of his starters in his post game address.
"Jose, DeMar, Andrea, Sonny, you go one through five. DeMar got outplayed by Joe Johnson, Jose got outplayed by Mike Bibby, Andrea got outplayed by Josh Smith, Sonny got outplayed by Marvin Williams, Joey got outplayed by Al Horford. Nobody could score and we couldn't stop these guys and that is why you have a 20 point game." - Jay Triano
Triano leading off his rant by mentioning DeRozan was not a form of random selection. DeRozan was constantly helping on defence, allowing his man to consistently get open looks. These lapses are brought into even greater focus when one is guarding Joe Johnson and the other Raptor-killer, Jamal Crawford.
Leandro Barbosa and Linas Kleiza were first class chuckers once again, and combined to go 8 of 23. Barbosa was a defensive liability, and Kleiza's only noteworthy contribution was being the only Raptor to make a three pointer, and thus keep our coveted streak alive.
Jared Bayless looked lively in his limited minutes, and was constantly attacking the rim instead of settling for jumpers like the rest of his team. He attempted 8 free throws, a game high statistic that will likely fly under the radar. With Calderon looking unconvincing at times, Bayless' efforts are likely to be noticed by Triano. Mike Bibby has historically been a Raptor-killer, but there is no reason why, at the age of 32, he should be burning his opposite number on the offensive end.
For the Raptors, it was an issue of offensive execution down the stretch, and the Hawks outscored them 25-11 in the 3rd quarter. Worryingly, it was the second straight ineffectual 3rd quarter performance, as it proved to be their Achilles heel in Boston on Friday.
With 3 games remaining before they head out on another road trip, the Raptors need to take advantage of the schedule and remind their fans why they follow them in the first place.
a few notes:
What in the world happened to Julian Wright? After showing glimpses of his ability to be a high energy guy off the bench, Wright hasn't figured much lately. Not sure what is going on behind the scenes with Triano, but he could have been useful matching up against the Hawks on defensive end.
There was a period in the 2nd quarter where Bargnani was hot, and the team did nothing to get him involved offensively. They eventually did find him in the post, but it had taken too long, and his overeagerness resulted in an offensive foul.
DeRozan had a bad game, but let's all remember that he is still suffering from the hamstring injury he suffered earlier in the season.
Atlanta won this game 146-115 last year. Progress!....ok that was the only positive spin I could come up with, you do better.
The Raptors are at their best when moving the ball swiftly, and 15 assists isn't enough for this team when they want to win such games
Whats the over/under on the number of clipboards Triano will have destroyed by the end of the year?
Sasha Kalra
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That was a great article! I would like to have the chance to read another by Sasha.
by JumpShootersRUS on Nov 29, 2010 8:28 AM EST reply actions
Nice article – First one where I didn’t see any grammatical or spelling errors. Great use of relevant stats and especially excellent was the way you talked about the actual basketball on the actual court, refreshing. On the flip side, I have to say it comes across as naive to speak as if you know what people are thinking. (ie Triano)
Only decent intern submission so far… HQ, sign her up!
No, I meant naive...
Because some tenured writers I might trust to make statements like that. Nothing a career in basketball journalism can’t cure.
by axl t on Nov 29, 2010 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tough seeing his stats eh? Just think…Colangelo could have had this club in full rebuild mode 2 seasons ago and had things back on track by now…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Nov 29, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Was Hibbert that piece back then?
How many were calling for a rebuild that draft year, after coming off a .500 season-one year removed from winning the division-a season that lost its momentum when TJ went down in Atlanta?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ed Davis gave this team 16 & 9 next year operating from the low blocks so let’s not be quick to lament missed opportunities.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Nov 29, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this one will never eat at me the way some of the others did. I was for the JO deal too…not necessarily because I thought O’Neal was the answer, but I just didn’t think TJ could stay and wanted to see Toronto get SOME value for him.
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by Adam Francis on Nov 29, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I was calling for the rebuild. I was quite surprised we were actually good in our division winning year (in part to our division being surprisingly poor). Keep in mind there are plenty of teams which look like they’re on the rise and fall right back out of the playoffs. Missing the playoffs wasn’t really surprising to me since I didn’t think we were that good in the first place.
I thought the better way to success was through hitting in the draft. Hibbert seems to have worked out well but that is beside the point.
There are a few main reasons why it was a bad idea to make that deal:
1) TJ was a huge contributor for us. Yes he had to be moved, but there was no accounting for the massive dropoff we’d see in our PG play other than that Jose would try to pick up the slack in additional minutes.
2) Vs. TJ, JO was more expensive, older, just as injury-prone with huge mileage on his body.
3) JO had never been a consistently great player and his best days were not coming back considering the wear and tear. He is also typically a very inefficient scorer and those types of players are not desirable leads/second bananas.
4) If the deal failed (which was extremely likely), we were stuck with an albatross contract and without our first round pick.
5) For that deal to have been a success, JO would have basically needed to be an all-star and bring us to the playoffs, with extremely low odds (~10%) of that happening considering his recent play to that point and fragile state.
Amazing!
I felt like I was reading copy from Sportscentre. Great job Sasha!!!
Great article!
Really solid article, good job sasha!
by Ambreen Dhillon on Nov 29, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions
Wow, new favourite...
Great mix of emotion to get us excited and stats to back you up…
Intelligent writing with an understanding of what we as fans are looking for out of an article.
A bit of what happened, with a dash of what could have been, and a glimpse at why not to abandon all hope.
Great, I repeat GREAT, article…
i like sasha. finally, someone brings up julian wright. this guy needs to play. demar and weems have done nothing but crap on this team the last few games. bring him up cause i swear he at least brings some defense and is still as young as weems. we need our wings to gain some competitiveness and if wright begins to gain some mins (which he should) then it may light a fire under their asses.
ps. i like hibbert. we could have already had our 5 position with bargs at the 4. very sad
+1 for Wright
I too would like to see Wright get more minutes. I would have run him out there against Josh Smith when Kleiza was getting torched. The guy is such a versatile defender, I just don’t see why he isn’t averaging 15-20 minutes a game.
Interesting and cuts to the fundamental debate when you say: "it was an issue of offensive execution down the stretch
Is it because the Raps could not score or that they did not defend to a winning level? There is a cliche in basketball that says “defense wins championships”. I believe that is only half of it. The real truth is that the team who scores the most and defends the best, wins championships.
The superstars of the game, Kobe, Wade, Lebron etc are known for their ability to put the ball through the hoop regardless of the defense and in fact when you watch these guys at their best, they simply defy belief. You will say "how did he make that shot? with 3 defenders on him. The answer in certain circumstances (usually at the end of close games) is that offense trumps defense.
Except for Kobe's 40+ points in a loss to Indiana last night... their defense trumped him at the end.
But, yea, mostly…
Thanks for the feedback guys, I appreciate it. Hopefully I get the opportunity to contribute more to RaptorsHQ.
by sashathefanboy on Nov 29, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions
Chalk it up to a learning experience
On top of the poor execution on offense, the other issue that I believe was a game changer was the reffing in the 2nd quarter.
When Horford went out with 3 fouls in the 2nd quarter the refs made some brutal calls in an attempt (i’m guessing) to even things out. The 2 offensive calls on Andrea were complete horse s***, as well the 2 clean blocks by Kleiza that were called shooting fouls seemed to take the wind out of the teams sails.
In the future they will have to learn how to fight through the BS calls and keep being aggressive.
Off topic question - Could Butch Carter take the Miami Heat to a Championship?
If Spoelstra is fired and Riley doesn’t want to come down and coach, what would be the most viable option as a replacement?
Maybe a different question – has Butch Carter not returned to the coaching ranks because he has turned down opportunities or simply not been offered any new opportunities?
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
Great read
Nicely balanced article. Thanks Sasha.
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As for the Atlanta game, I had more hope against Boston – even if KG & the gang were in revenge mode. Which speaking of the Celtics, next time we meet them, I hope Bargs keeps up the dance routine with Garnett – cheek to cheek. The Bully routine of KG is tiresome. I especially enjoyed the Charge on Shaq – he looked a little wobbily taking his first step, after getting up.
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Watched the Erie game (via NBA.com – http://futurecast.nba.com/nbadl/console.jsp), to see how Ali-Baba & Davis are doing. Granted this was D-League, but that Erie team definitely has talent (for now). Davis looked good, and I would suspect he’ll be the right little tonic for the Raptors. But it’s Alabi who I think is a project worth exploring. Probably because most seem him as a long shot. He definitely needs to add a little bulk – not too much. Quite the reach, and with “proper training”, could be an ideal partner for Bargs – with AB playing 4. With Davis, the opposite could work well – Ed at the 4, and Andrea at the 5.
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Offense verses Defense
Yes it is certainly a team game, however it has become a game of specialities. Winning teams have “defensive stoppers” and they have “go to scorers” And this is why I take issue with those who condem players for not being one or the other. The fact is that not all players have the gift of scoring or on the other hand, the gift of speed and anticapation required to be a stopper.
That is why the game has broken down to roles. On the Lakers for example, Artest is the stopper. He is not expected to fill Kobe’s role. It would not be fair to criticize Kobe for not being as defensive as Artest because although Kobe plays reasonable defense, his role is primarily offense and leadership.
I agree but Kobe doesn’t just play “reasonable” D. Kobe is a 10 time all defensive team member, and before Artest’s arrival he was almost always guarding the oppositions best wing player.
by sashathefanboy on Nov 29, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Um…it’s “new guy…”
Cricket
Cricket
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Nov 29, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
See, I would have thought “fanboy” would be the giveaway there…
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Nov 29, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
See? Got Franchise to admit he's got the job!
Was just trying to get his guard down…
yea…
that’s it…
Besides...
Thanks for the feedback guys, I appreciate it. Hopefully I get the opportunity to contribute more to RaptorsHQ.
by sashathefanboy on Nov 29
Doesn’t sound like anything I’ve ever heard a guy on this site say…
WAY to polite, and no word of how much Bargnani sucks…
Yes and there is a philosophy out there
That says that if a scorer expends too much effort on defense, his offense which is his primary talent will suffer, have someone less talented offensively spend the energy chasing the opponents scorer. Enter the Bowen’ or Artests.
Kobe analogy
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Kobe is not a good example. He’s one of the most – if not the most – All-around talents in the League (and in NBA history). Dwight Howard might be a better example – his FT shooting changes the complexion of a game in the last 2 minutes – as Raptor fans are very much aware of.
Kobe’s only real weaknesses, happen in his personal life.
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Well I scream like a little girl when the Raps beat the Celtics so...
I guess it’s cool… besides, as noted above you didn’t make any spelling mistakes or glaring grammatical errors… Figured you COULDN’T be one of the boys…
p.s. tell Franchise your name is Sasha, not Sash… unless that’s his cutesy nickname for you…
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regardless of your confused gender (LOL, even if it wasn’t you who was confused) good article again…
WEAK – just realized I screwed up on Sasha’s name TWICE! That’s what I get for 2 AM editing…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Nov 29, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
hire this one!
loved the range of issues and player coverage. nice tie-ins to history (long-term with Bibby, short-term with Barbosa/Kleiza, previous games), useful quotes sprinkled in for good measure. And touches of humor, because this season we are going to need it!
Great job all around, IMO most professional/sophisticated analysis of the five interns so far HQ.
Intern Feedback
Thanks guys, we’ve got two more to come this week and then we’ll narrow the field down and perhaps have some video auditions? America’s Next Top Idol style?
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
Shameless self promotion
Is there room here for a bit of shameless self promotion? (basically i am asking whether or not if I put the URL to my blog in the comments section will be frowned upon/ruin my chances/have any detrimental effect)
I would say it gives us the opportunity to background check your credibility...
If you have a blog entitled “Bargnani, the cancerous tumour infecting the starting five.” you probably won’t get too many votes in your favour as we all ready have one of those here…
Even I have to admit “cancerous tumour” is too strong. How about “Bargnani, the Help Defending, Plus/Minus Disaster”? ;)
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 29, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
I stand corrected. Well played, sir.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 29, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Random notes:
tick tick *tick.. can you hear it??? That’s the sound of Spo’s career coming to an end.
How did 2005 14th overall pick Rashad McCants end up in the D league?
Who would you take?? Current TPE or Andrew Bynum?
Sitting at MSG court side makes the arena seem very very small. I eventually went up to the last row in MSG (during a half empty NIT tourney last week) and think that the worst seat there is still only about about the front of the green at ACC.
Starybury got cut from Shangxi due to poor conditioning?! Bass.. how low can you go?
How bout them blazers?
Smith watches every game, home and away, from just beyond a corner of the court, and during the loss to the Raptors, he noticed Van Gundy yelling and displaying clear frustration. Van Gundy acknowledged that Smith spoke with him following that defeat. Van Gundy recalled: “He made a great comment: ’It’s way too early in the year to be this frustrated.’ And he’s absolutely right. Coach for the long term. Just go out and coach ’em and show some encouragement.”
Reality TV star Kim Kardashian, who is dating Kris Humphries, sat in the front row. damn I want Hump-a-lot back!
Only thing I feel like commenting on...
Bynum, all the way… we have terrible luck in getting “the next Bynum”… so we should at least have a bust over proven talent than a bust of potential talent…
Only part I would comment on...
Bynum, hands down…
Reason: We have a terrible track record with finding “the next” Bynum… I would rather get called a bust over proven talent rather than on potential talent… now bring me back Marcus Camby…
Kris & Kim
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I knew there was a bonus to reading this blog. :-)
Kim Kardashian has dated her fair share of athletes…As of late, she’s been spotted with Halle Berry’s ex Gabriel Aubry..but the word out of NYC is Kim was spotted having dinner with a New Jersey Nets player..Kim and the camera crew were rolling recently when Kris Humphries got together for dinner at Nobu with the most famous Kardashian…Humphries has posted double-digit rebounds in six of his last eight games, and is shooting an incredible 63.3 percent from the…
http://musicifi.com/gossip/Kim-Kardashian-Had-Dinner-With-Nets-Player-4119907.html
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Does this mean any kids will be future Canadian basketball stars with their own tv series?
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 29, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Damn ... was thinking of the Red Rocket
Mixing Hump with Bonner. It sounded good in my head though. Gotta get those reality ideas out of my brain. …. :-0
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 29, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Uhm, Bonner is from Vermont or New Hampshire. He became a Canadian citizen only recently (assuming his papers have gone through). Strike 2.
Bonner & Canada
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Not to belabor the point, but Bonner wants to not only live in Canada, he wants to play for the National team. And I would assume he’ll have kids – which was the point of my totally useless comment … regarding Ms. K.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 30, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
good read
nice job sasha, agree with you about bayless. Calderon lets his man blow by him too much and if we’re going to be losing games this year lets at least develop our young pg.
I think we need to display confidence in Jose as a legit starter and...
he has to make it look believable so that we can get someone valuable for him…
Best out of 5
This article by Sasha is clearly the most well thought-out and precise analysis of the Raptors’ woes out of the 5 interns. Great job!
best one
Good article, the best of the five in my opinion.
Agreed, Reggie Evans isn’t just a rebounding machine but he brings intangibles that make the team play better
agreed… he’s great for the team as long as he plays within himself and isn’t being left isolated in the post with the ball in his hands during a stagnant offensive possession.
by sashathefanboy on Nov 29, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
http://fanboyanonymous.blogspot.com is my blog. Any feedback you guys have would be great, positive or negative. But lets try to keep the negative feedback in my email inbox and not on this board….:D
Meant to say my blog on a friend’s laptop and forgot to log off his account.
by sashathefanboy on Nov 29, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pardon....
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This trade brings us back less Offense – Gort at – and one of the weakest links on the Magic – PG.
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We make this trade, and that’ll be “the Day the Earth Stood Still”.
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“Klaatu barada nikto”
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 29, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
This would only be part of the process...
I would also use Calderon, Kleiza and Evans (possibly Weems or Derozan as well if they don’t shape up) to try and nail down another solid big and a consistent high scoring either SG or SF…
Plus we are back in the frontrunning for the Harrison Barnes lottery that way…
So...
You wish to trade for the sake of achieving the same mediocrity, but with different older players, enabling your trade partners to get better while you sit back and hope that you win a lottery for a player who is not the once in a lifetime type talent that might lift an avg team to mediocrity.
Let me ask you this: Is Harrison Barnes a better prospect than John Wall was viewed to be coming into his draft? Is he a better prospect than Blake Griffin was viewed to be coming into his draft? These are two potentially transformational talents and even with all of their gifts those teams are not close to the playoff picture.
You don’t empty the cupboards and just hope. Hope doesn’t win championships. The enthusiasm is appreciated, not trying to beat you down but why would you move Bargnani as the main piece in a deal for Gortat and Nelson?
Your roster would look like the following
Starters
Gortat
Nelson
Barnes (if lucky)
some high scoring SG (think Kevin Martin)
Davis
Bench
Johnson
Alabi
Bayless
Wright
Weems or Derozan
Dorsey
Now that you see it in writing – does that suggest championship contention or treadmill?
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Nov 29, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Consider...
Jameer Nelson / Jerryd Bayless
Kevin Martin / Demar Derozan / Harrison Barnes
Sonny Weems / Julian Wright
Ed Davis / Joey Dorsey / Chris Bosh
Marcin Gortat / Marcus Camby / Solomon Alabi
*One name up there is a joke, you figure it out…
Um no offense but there is no way in hell that Denver will take Bargnani. These trades are all well and good on paper but they have to be realistic. I could probably engineer a trade that brings us Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan but that doesnt mean that those trades every have a chance of happeneing.
Sasha
I know its been said in the comments already but this has also been my favorite intern article so far. great job and look forward to seeing more
If I had a vote on the next writer, I’d prefer someone who is obviously articulate, but hopefully someone who would have played the game at some decent level. To be honest, there are already too many “fans” writing about stuff all over the place.
Analysis by stat heads and qualitative observation is fine and everything. But writing from a “technical” stance is weak everywhere.
players
Most former players don’t actually get involved with such writing gigs, and that does surprise me. I guess they prefer entering broadcast media and being the token former player during halftime shows and pregames (Keyshawn, Craig Mactavish, Sherman Hamilton, etc)
by sashathefanboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t necessarily mean someone even at a high level of competition. But someone who’s gone through it at a playing/coaching level and at least understands things like scheme’s, technique, strategy.
It’s one thing to provide “analysis” as a fan, but it’s clearly obvious there arn’t that many writers who have actually played the game formally.
For example.. Had a funny conversation with a “fan” last night that JT needed to improve the raptors defence, and when I asked, what would you do as a coach? The response was: “I’d tell them to play better Defence”.
It’s like saying, if I just tell AB to rebound better, it’ll just happen.
For someone to criticize defence, the bare minimum is for someone to understand the difference between going under or through. Otherwise, how do you know who to “blame”? The man on the ball, or off the ball?
Here’s my partial defensive quiz questions:
1) The raptors are trying to trap the ball carrier on the corners inside the time line. In your opinion, why has this failed or has it?
2) JT has tried to make one major defensive value change this year from last year. What is it?
3) Jose is obviously trying to force the penetrating ball carrier in one direction (inside or out). Which side and why?
Judge a Book not by its Cover, but by its read
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Pat Burns was one of the most successful NHL coaches. He was also a cop for 17 years.
Wayne Gretzky was one of the most successful NHL players. He was also a lousy coach.
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