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A painful loss in more ways than one, the Toronto Raptors lost last night's match to the Boston Celtics and a key member of their personnel in the process.

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Editor's Note:  The HQ is expanding!  Since about the end of last season it became clear to the team that they could use a few extra resources to help on the content side, so last month they put out the call to Ryerson's School of Journalism here in Toronto, seeking interns.  They've narrowed their list down to a few final candidates, but want readers help in deciding who eventually rounds out the team.  To that end, the HQ will be posting work from the finalists, and at the end of it, will seek feedback from you, the readers, as to who should get the gig!

We had our first two intern submission earlier this week, and here's our third courtesy of Jeyan Jeganathan, contestant number three...

 

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If Kevin Garnett is really like rapper Jay-Z (as Reggie Evans put it during a Pregame interview), he's got 99 problems but (yesterday) Bargnani ain't one.

Garnett bounced back from his last game against the Raptors, registering his league leading seventh double-double of the season with 26 points and 11 rebounds, and the Boston Celtics downed the Toronto Raptors 110 to 101.

But it was KG's tough guy approach had the biggest effect.

"Kevin's energy tonight was off the charts," said Doc Rivers. "You knew it would be if you know Kevin after the loss last Sunday. He was just athletic tonight."  The reigning Eastern Conference Champs took the lead early, shooting over 50 per cent from the field, and they didn't let up.  

The Celtics started the game on fire, making their first 6 field goals and recording 13 assists on their first 13 made field goals. The Raptors showed resiliency, although they never held a lead throughout the entire game. The Dinos defiantly kept the game close heading into the half.

Rajon Rondo also came out of the gates strong.

Rondo, who had been out due to a sore hamstring, had an immediate impact, dishing out 8 of his 14 assists in the first quarter alone. For someone who had missed three games, you really couldn't tell he was injured...well other than his 8 turnovers.

But it was Garnett who was the ultimate difference maker in this one.  He wasted no time and attacked Bargnani, scoring the first two buckets of the game for the Celtics.

Bargnani fought back, but he just couldn't get things rolling. He shot 4-13 from the field for 11 points for the game, well below his average of 27 points and +50 per cent shooting from the floor during the team's 4-game winning streak.

Linas Kleiza lead the way for the Raptors with 18 points and 7 rebounds. Jose Calderon chipped in with 12 points and a season high 15 assists. The Raptors had six players reach double digit figures as their bench outscored Boston's 63-29. The Raptors clawed themselves back several times, thanks in part to 17 offensive rebounds.

But it just wasn't enough.

Shaquille O'Neal had a big performance with 16 points and 9 rebounds. Most impressive was his shooting percentage as he uncharacteristically made 6 of 8 from the charity stripe. Glen "Big Baby" Davis had 18 of the 29 bench points for the Celtics.

Sonny Weems and DeMar DeRozan were non factors in tonight's match-up. Weems scored 16 points in Toronto's win against the C's last Sunday, but on Friday was held to zero points and 0-9 from the field. This was only the second time in ten games where Weems scored less than 10 points. DeMar DeRozan had 8 points in limited minutes.

But the biggest story here was the loss of Reggie Evans.

Evans left the game late in the third quarter after injuring his right foot and didn't return.

And may not for a while.

The post-game diagnosis was a right foot fracture, and Jay Triano has already stated that Amir Johnson will get the start on Sunday against the Atlanta Hawks.  Evans had been an MVP candidate for the Raptors so far this season, and his loss suddenly leaves a huge hole up front.

The positive spin of course is that maybe Ed Davis and Joey Dorsey get major run and Evans isn't out for too long, therefore allowing him to retain his trade value.

The negative spin is that the team misses not only his rebounding and hustle on the court, but his leadership and grit off of it and the team falls into a tailspin they can never recover from.

It also means fans get to see just how valuable Andrea Bargnani is, as he'll now have to focus a lot more on the glass then simply on scoring.

The encouraging thing is that even without Reggie last night, and after being outscored 28-15 in the third quarter, the Raptors made a run of their own in the fourth. Jay Triano's international line-up provided a well need scoring punch, nailing five consecutive three point shots and cutting a once 22 point deficit within 6, with five minutes left in the fourth.

"We tried, but we put ourselves in a bad position throughout the game," said Peja Stojakovic, who had 11 of his 13 points in the final quarter of play. "It was a big point differential, especially against a team like Boston,"

A "much more talented team like Boston."

You could admire the Raptors fight in this one, but with Rondo back and KG playing like it was 2002, it was a tough task from the get go, and Boston's starters simply outclassed those of the Dinos.

We'll see if the Raps can get back on track Sunday, another tough task now minus Mr. Evans. 

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If the Raptors are trying to win (which I think they are) Peja needs more run

I don’t care who gets less minutes. DD and Weems looked bad last night. AB was KG’s poster child.

by Davl on Nov 27, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

I did too. I watched him almost exclusively last night and the vast majority of KG’s baskets weren’t because of anything Andrea did, or didn’t do. He was trying to fight through things, but the Celtics simply keyed in on him defensively.

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

We did this last year and hope to do it again, although with Howland out of action for a bit, it’s sometimes tough to get enough hands on deck. Once we get our intern situation sorted out though, yes, we’ll have these all the time.

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

On paper, not worried about the loss of Reggie, but the team seems to play harder when he’s involved.

by axl t on Nov 27, 2010 10:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

That’s a big issue, he was a real leader on and off the court too.

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll see

Sometimes as a fan base we fall into that trap of over-celebrating the hard working guys, maybe because subconsciously we can relate most to their talent level, but at some point we have to collectively look at the situation and not dismiss the truth that a more talented player would ultimately be the most useful if we want the team to reach championship level competitiveness.

Some things
- Haven’t looked up the actual numbers but from the few times I’ve watched, Evans runs out of energy in the second half and his rebound numbers fall off.
- The combination of Johnson, Davis, & Dorsey may just emerge as the best PF rotation the team has ever had and in the full games Dorsey has played he has exceeded Evans production when considering both ends of the floor
- It should mean more space for everyone to operate because someone has to pay attention to the player occupying the four spot at all times and you might see improved performances by DeRozan especially, given more space on the floor
- Part of becoming serious contenders is having the mental wherewithal to deal with adversity of all sorts and still perform at a high level. Emotional leader or not that competitiveness and fire should still be there within the team as a whole. If it is, it means this team is moving in a direction that we will all eventually appreciate.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 27, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Why the hell is Joey D in the doghouse?

No one could’ve predicted the injury to Reggie Evans last night. I can easily say that he was playing the best basketball of his entire career. I am not going to put the onus on Jay Triano for his injury. However, he is doing a poor job of monitoring player minutes. Prior to the game beginning, a couple reporters mentioned that you might see JT playing Joey Dorsey against the big Celtic team. Do we see Joey D in the game? Added to JT bone-headed substitution patterns, Andrea is getting extended minutes on the floor. At different instances in the game, Andrea was slumped over and gasping for breath. I figure that Andrea does not have to play double-duty when we clearly have an additional large body on the bench. JT pisses me off to no-end because the Raptors clearly have players that can compete and only time will tell if Bryan Colangelo thinks the sameway.

by Slick_Rick on Nov 27, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Joey D

Joey Dorsey is Reggie “light”, brings the same rebounding abilities, only without the experience, he’ll get some minutes now with Reggie gone.

by Johnn19 on Nov 27, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually think Dorsey can step in and be nearly as valuable in terms of stats as Reggie. He might not be quite the rebounder but I think he’s slightly better offensively.

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you guys. One of the themes we wanted for this team was figure out what we’ve got. Great chance for Dorsey to prove his worth over an extended period of time. I guess we’re in that situation where we really can’t lose. A full lineup learns how to develop chemistry and experience playing alongside each other. Injuries lead to opportunities for lesser lights to stake a position on next year’s team.

by Yardly on Nov 27, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely – because the reality is that “next year,” and the following etc, is what this season should be all about.

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Hold players accountable for poor play

The major problem with the Raptors is ACCOUNTABILITY. What I mean by this is that players are allowed to play through their mistakes without anyone telling them what they did wrong in the first place. Case in point, DeMar Derozen coughed up the ball on two occassions in the first quarter, which led to Ray Allen torching him on the other end. Plus, DD acquired two quick fouls and had to be substituted. We cannot have our starting shooting guard MIA in every other game. I could easily understand his poor play last season because it was his rookie season. This year can we say that he has hit the rookie wall for the second time? I am critical of DD because I want to see him perform on a nightly basis and maintain a starter role. Coming from me this advice is pretty meaningless, but the coach needs to call out players to be more consistent.

I do believe that Jarrett Jack was faced with a similar scenerio,at least once a game JJ would drive the lane, pass backwards, which resulted in a costly turnover. JT never pulled him out of the game and get told that every possession is critical.

by Slick_Rick on Nov 27, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

Just for the record

Ray Allen has made quite the career out of tourching opposing guards.

Bargnani, Calderon, Kleiza, Stojakovic adn South American Barbosa. Sounds like BC’s has 4/5 ths of his dream line-up out there. Think he’s working on a Ginogli for Barbosa deal right now.

by Tinmann on Nov 27, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

i understand what your saying but..

You make it sound like DD has had a poor season which isn’t the case. He’s had a bad stretch of games but he’s been having a pretty good season he just needs to stop being passive like he has been..plus DD injuried and playing through a sore hamstring, DS mentioned this last night and I totally agreed why put derozan on Allen knowing he’s hurt and having to chase him around? Of course he’s gonna look bad try defending someone who is always moving with a sore hammy..I would have at least put weems on Allen ( who had a worts night than derozan put you failed to call him out) but that’s on jt to realize that.

by sherwin316 on Nov 27, 2010 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Did not know you were privy to discussions between Triano and his players. Both Sonny and Amir are babies in the womb compared to the 12/13 years of experience of Pierce and Allen.
The only way to learn is to play, that’s a major part of what this year is about, and obviously their minutes were curtailed when they struggled.

by Johnn19 on Nov 27, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Triano on DeMar and Sonny

I was critical of Triano’s handling of the rotations last night but listening to him post-game he had a point; DeRozan and Sonny are going to HAVE to learn to play against studs like Allen and Pierce so the more exposure the better.

I guess this comes back to your vision of the team this year. If you think the club should be developing talent at the expense of wins, you can live with Jay leaving DD and Weems out there even when they’re getting torched.

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i wasnt privy to no discussions

all i was saying is if one of your players who is not only young but also dealing with a sore hamstring assigning him to chase around a player like ray allen wouldnt be a smart move all im saying was why not put weems on allen and derozan on pierce it would have made alot more sense.

by sherwin316 on Nov 27, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

bargs really dominated KG last game

I bet KG took that to heart and made a conscience effort to shut bargs down

by raptors_run_the_show on Nov 27, 2010 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

I am not sure Andrea disappared

on one hand I did not see an effort in giving him the ball, on the other hand, if the opposing team is putting pressure on you, well that is what plays are for. You can even set a screen for a Bargs catch and shoot if you want. Watching KG fighting trough screens would have been something interesting to watch. That is one thing I am sure he is not used to.

by renato on Nov 27, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Renato, its hard to argue that Bargnani did not get his oportunities when he shot 4 for 13 from the floor…

by MAS11 on Nov 27, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

he shot was off, no way to sugar coat that

on the other hand, as a counter example, I can post up 3 meters from the rim an not get the ball, then I post up 6 and 1/2 and I do get it, I shot a turnaround and miss it. Yes, I still did get the ball and got my shot off, still, ….

by renato on Nov 27, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Great job on the Recap Jeyan

Youcaptured the major theme really well – that how Kevin Garnett’s personality and disposition ultimately determined the out come of this game. Below is what I commented in yesterday’s “3 in the Key” write up. So can’t say I was at all surprised that KG took last night’s game personally and took vengance on Bargnani… At least Bargnani tried to get on the glass (as 8 rebounds is actually an achievement for him).

“…and am fascinated to see how the Celtics approach this game as far as defensive schemes. Bargnani lit them up (offensively) last time, so it will be interesting to see how they adapt. Garnett sems to me the kind of guy that takes Bargnani dropping 29 on him personally… Furthermore, interested in how teams start to change the scouting reports on the Raptors. While they’ve been playing really well of late, the pessimist in me can’t help but wonder what happens when the scouting packages start to evolve on the Raptors and teams adjust.”

Like I said, not that surprised… Got to applaud garnett’s aproach to the game.

by MAS11 on Nov 27, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Still comes across as a punk

Pierce, Rondo and Garnett. Its not easy rooting for this team over the Heat.

by Tinmann on Nov 27, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

True, fair point for sure.

However, sometimes that’s what it takes to win. It’s to your advantage to mentally and physically intimidate your oponent. It’s guys with that attitude and demonstrative nature (ala Garnett) that everyone hates… unless he’s on your team or the team you root for. The raps have lacked that component since Oak left…

by MAS11 on Nov 27, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It's an act

I also think that Garnett relies heavily on external reasons to get himself fired up. Given the point in the schedule, and the opposition they faced, I can see him latching onto something, anything to help fuel his act. It’s a long season.

Can also see him trying to play mind games with his opposition, especially younger players, try and get in their head and make the game them vs. KG, not Raptors vs. Celtics.

by Yardly on Nov 27, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The void left by Reggie

In this morning’s star Triano suggested that he will attempt to fill the gaping hole that will created by the Regend’s absence with more Amir and Doresey, which is encouraging. However, he also stated that he will play Peja more at the four, which is frustrating… Please, more Doresy, Johnson, Davis and even Alabi, not more Peja.

by MAS11 on Nov 27, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Think we have to try for the playoffs

Peja is a major league talent. While I doubt his stay in Toronto will be a long one, we should use him while we have him.
After two games it’s obvious the guy can score. He is one of the best trade pieces in the league right now.

by Tinmann on Nov 27, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

did you

see how many points Peja gave up playing PF?

The guy has been a SF his entire career and now at the age of 90 he is supposed to cover guys twice his weight? This won’t end well.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 28, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to believe

Ed Devis is not yet ready to play, otherwise he would get the same DD treatment, it is not that DD has ever been considered any more valuable than Ed Davis

by renato on Nov 27, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it’s a bit weird. But maybe he (Davis) hasn’t shown to be ready by a long shot so far…

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Davis is going to be able to get his conditioning back in the D-League while not getting his ego smashed by being a rookie AND coupling that with being less fit…

This way he gets to at least get in stride before facing major league tests…

by Mikthaniel on Nov 27, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a good point. Two years at UNC would seemingly make Davis more prepared to contribute then DeRozan. Can’t underestimate missing out on his first training camp. Second of all, for the greater good of the team, you have to give first crack to the guys who have been present since the start, busting their butt in practice.

I can’t see Davis spending much time in the NBDL, perhaps just to get his conditioning down. Then he’s back to practice and train with the big club.

by Yardly on Nov 27, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps it's time

Jack Armstrong commended the Celtics several times for their “hard” fouls. There is a fine line betwen a hard foul and a dirty foul. Celtics have no problem what so ever in hitting someone while they’re in the air. It could mean that some one ends up in a wheel chair but hey, as long as you win right. An acting ability goes along way in pretending you didn’t mean to foul the player and it’s all in the game.
So, I would suggest the Raptors better start hammerin anyone drivin the lane. What’s good for the goose and all that. Works great for the Celts.
Paul Peirce slamed Bosh last year and stood right over him after. If it were me I’d wait for him on his next drive and slam him right to the floor. They use intimidation as a team policy and unless you show some balls, they’ll just keep on keepin on.
I would not do that however to a team that doesn’t do it to me first.

by raptball on Nov 27, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Would anyone move Kleiza to Boston for Erden?

I call this the Vlllanueva possibility, where when a guy plays “well” against a team they should be one of the first teams called if considering moving the guy. I could see him working well in Boston behind Pierce and it frees up time for Wright.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 27, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

Too early to give up on Kleiza

Kleiza has been disappointing overall. But he hasn’t even played 15 games yet and he has been hurt in many of the games he has played. Trading him now would be a knee jerk reaction and totally unnecessary. Patience.

And what’s so good about Erden?

by Tronix on Nov 27, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah memories of when Charlie V hung 36 on Milwaukee. I wouldn’t want any more big man projects on the Raptors, at least not until we’ve given some opportunity to the ones we already have. From what I remember about him around draft time, he’s not a bruiser, and that’s priority one for all new big man recruits, IMHO.

Was there anything in particular that jumped out at you about Erden?

by Yardly on Nov 27, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really

A commenter or two on the Celtic’s blog complimented Kleiza’s play last night and as the founding member of A Wright To Play, a.k.a. the Julian Wright Deserves Minutes Campaign, I thought I’d throw it out there. I’m not sure about Boston’s backup SF situation but it might be in that team’s best interest to cut back on Pierce’s minutes as they prep for a deep playoff run.

I mentioned Erden in particular because the Raps do need a backup centre if Alabi isn’t ready this year, but any viable pieces would work.

If i recall correctly Charlie V dropped 48 on Milwaukee

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 27, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Time to step up..

Overall I was happy with the Raps effort last night. You knew the Celtics would be out for blood after last Sunday and they were. But the Raps never quit and didn’t take any shit (even AB) which I was very happy to see.

Everybody hates to see Reggie go down when he has been playing so well, but such is life. Deal. When Rondo went down last week Doc Rivers made the comment that ‘One of our main guys is out so other players have to step up’. That is a winner’s mentality. It’s as simple as that.

Amir Johnson will now be given starter’s minutes. An opportunity he has been waiting for his entire career. This is his time to step up. He’s been in the league long enough now and knows what it takes. I think he can do it and am looking forward to seeing how he does.

The Celts obviously were not going to let Weems give a repeat performance of last Sunday and shut him down good.

Jose (who is no favourite of mine) appears to be rediscovering his passing and shooting. Good to see.

Demar, are you there?

by Tronix on Nov 27, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

wow

I’m surprised it didn’t end up being a blow-out. good job raps

by anen87 on Nov 27, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Looks like Bargnani is earning some respect...

-via realgm ppost by supersub

"I take defense very seriously," Garnett said. "And this wasn’t a one-on-one situation and I don’t want Bargnani to take this the wrong way, but if he does, [expletive] it. You know, being honest. I get up for that. Every night I have a match up, I take that very seriously.

"I don’t overlook a guy. Bargnani’s a very, very, very good player in our league. He’s going to be one of the premier players to come. But, I was motivated in more than one way tonight."

by axl t on Nov 27, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

he should give bargs some respect

Bargs is in the top 20 in the whole league in scoring..you better give someone like that respect or you’ll get torched.

by sherwin316 on Nov 27, 2010 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, but not just that...

Things like sending shaq flying (I mean who’s done that lately? The guy must be 350lbs).

The little shoving match before the weems jump ball where bargs refused to give an inch.

There were other little things, like one thing KG and peirce both do where they put their face right in the other player’s face when getting position for an inbounds, so they’re like touching cheek to cheek. Almost everybody backs away from that, not Bargs last night.

by axl t on Nov 27, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Had to go find that one

It’s too hilarious – bargs doesn’t give an inch – same scenario last year, it seems to me, bosh backs off of that

by axl t on Nov 27, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Bargs looks like he’s distracted by a young lady sitting courtside. He’s throwing out a little “Blue Steel”. Hahaha.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 27, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

well, given the kind og gf he has

he can still kiss KG in the mouth having STILL nothing to prove…..

by renato on Nov 27, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Just glad no one photoshopped Reggie Evans’ face on Vinnie Jones’ body!

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't that what the interns are for?

I would ‘name and title’ that photoshopped image as:

Reggie Evans making butter…
In KG’s gutter…

by Jenge on Nov 27, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I posted this on the last thread regarding KG's antics going too far..

Have any of you guys seen that footage where KG tried to Doggy-Style-Hump Jerryd Bayless (before he was a Raptor?)… He literally was on all fours during the middle of play — ON THE COURT — trying to make Bayless his b*itch…or someting to that effect..

Personally that crosses a very very serious line…. I think it’s worse than LBJ’s douchie-ness… lawsuit kind of bad

Finally – Props to Matt Bonner – I’ll never forget him for taking down KG’s ego (way back when)…. Who has more Championiship Rings? KG or Bonner?

by Jenge on Nov 27, 2010 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

HES A PUNK FOR REAL

did you see bayless kept going right at them tho showing no fear at all

by sherwin316 on Nov 27, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, did you notice this gem in the comments...
soulstice99
6 days ago

let’s hope this mofo can join the young gunz in toronto. they should call him .22

by Mikthaniel on Nov 27, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Jayne asked Jerryd about the Young Gunz and he didn’t know about them ha ha – I’ll have to ask Sonny and DeMar next time if they’re going to indoctrinate him…

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

re: Bonner

Hahaha, Bonner taking him down and then raising an arm to the crowd
KG “Like he was some kind of enforcer”

IF we ever made an all time Raptor character’s team, I’d want the Red Rocket on it. He wasn’t a gimmick, he was keeping it real the only way he knew how.

by Yardly on Nov 27, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Where's the MAS man

I think they are saying something positive about that soft Ero player Bargnani. Attack MAS attack. Maybe a double team with DS

by raptball on Nov 27, 2010 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, if people want to anoint Bargnani the people’s champ or the next Balboa because he stood there like a statue when KG tried to muscle in for position- all the power to ya. I saw that play, and I didn’t think there was much to get all excited about. But hey that’s just my opinion… since you asked.

I’ll accept Bargnani is tough when I see him compete on both ends of the floor and put a consistant effort into rebounding. Until then, I won’t disagree with you when you call him a “soft Ero player” as you say above.

by MAS11 on Nov 27, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Peja for Dalembert?

Just a thought…

BC can trade Peja for Dalembert straight up today. 1 for 1.

Both on 1 year deals. Kings have a front court log jam. Raptors are now in need.

Who says no?

Peja goes home. Sam comes home to Canada.

Added unintentional comedy bonus of Leo talking about Sam after every game.

Even if you don’t like Sam as a player… he does make sense.

by lessthanzero on Nov 27, 2010 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Sam for Peja makes a ton of sense, and Rautins head would explode nightly.

by CamHilton on Nov 27, 2010 5:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting Trade

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Peja could help their shooting average, and allow more minutes for others.
Dalembert replaces Reggie, sans the energy, but more offense (not that that is a great tribute).
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 27, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I would suspect

That Colangelo moves him to a contender as per the gentleman’s agreement they seem to be working by but if he’s receptive to Sacramento it does make some sense. It is interesting to speculate on Colangelo’s mindset with respect to the remaining expiring contracts. Does he ride them out for the flexibility they offer in the post-lockout NBA or does he actively look to use the expirings and TPE to get vet pieces to speed up this team’s return to playoff contention as early as 2011/2012?

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 27, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

1) If Sac goes for that trade, I make it in a second.

2) A nice collection of evidence of what a p—sy KG is…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FASClJTnJ4I

3) Now that Bargnani is fitting nicely into his role, I am loving the silence from the usual suspects.

Walker McKenna

by Robert Archibald on Nov 27, 2010 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

I think Tim Chisholm of TSN was the one who threw this idea out in the first place and it’s a good one. It would allow Bargs to move to the 4, the position I think he should be playing anyways, and give the Raps a legit shot-blocker, and Canadian to boot, at the 5. Considering, both deals are expiring, why not, especially since Sacto is looking to get more minutes for guys like Cousins.

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by Adam Francis on Nov 27, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If I’m reading this correctly (opponent counterpart 48-minute production), it appears Bargnani’s counterparts have a PER of 50 (?!) when he’s playing power forward and a PER of 20.2 when he gets minutes at centre. And, as a result, his net PER is far worse at PF.

Considering Pau Gasol has the highest PER for a power forward at 26.54, I’m going to give Bargs the benefit of the doubt and assume the 50 is a little high or I’m just interpreting those stats incorrectly ;)

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 27, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe

I am guessing it is just based on an extremely small sample size. Bargs has been mostly at the 5 this year. But thanks for thedowner! If we were to get Sammy D, I still think Bargs should stay at C. We have good depth already at PF and it would be nice to ass some depth at C, to give Andrea some rest.

Besides, stats lie. You can prove anthing you want with stats. I am happy with the job Bargs is dong this year, and in some dark corner of your heart, Defensive Stance, I know you are too.

Walker McKenna

by Robert Archibald on Nov 28, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Bargnani has been impressive offensively in stretches. I’d like to see Triano channel his inner Sam Mitchell and pull Bargs when his offence has gone cold or his defensive intensity isn’t there. And to your point, Sammy D would be a great addition not only from a talent standpoint, but also for the Canuck angle.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 28, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

And something further I key in on...

Andrea is not Kobe on offense…

He has a bad offensive game, he has NO GAME…

Kobe has a bad offensive game and he has double figure assists instead…

I think you let Kobe fight through a bad night, because when he’s off, he’s still at least on simmer…

When Andrea is off he is stone cold OFF, try and light a different burner…

by Mikthaniel on Nov 29, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Would anyone have expected a four year run out of the Celts...

When the Big 3 were put together? I really thought they’d be showing signs of age right now. Division wise, the Raps do look pretty good to battle NY for the kingship when the Celts finally succumb to their age, depending on how the CBA plays out.

Here’s a question, if one were to derive a composite measure for team prospects within the division, using coaching, GM/front office, Ownership stability, Future Quality of Existing Roster, and Future Flexibility as parameters, how would the Raptors compare to the Knicks, Nets, Celtics, and 76ers? What weights would one apply to each parameter?

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 27, 2010 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

Umm, he said...

“Do we have a Smart Management, with Good Enough current talent, and Enough Salary Flexibility to be the top team in our division in a few years?”

by Mikthaniel on Nov 27, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit

um, I think you are getting lost in the details, try just being happy…

Walker McKenna

by Robert Archibald on Nov 28, 2010 7:47 AM EST reply actions  

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