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HT: Oh man, don’t ask about Toronto. Over there, it just happened that the situation was bad both for me personally as well as for the organization. During the first three years in the NBA, I had a lot of luck. I had Vlade (Divac) and Peja (Stojakovic) who helped me a lot to adjust to changes in life and changes in game play after moving from Europe. They helped me with transition and I was very happy there. In Orlando, we played a different style of basketball, but that too was a great team.
What a tool. Just shut up and recognize that you’re an overrated douchebag who hit some big shots on TV.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 2, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim's Opinion
Sorry, but not really interested in reading Tim’s opinion – and I haven’t. The headline says it all. It’s guys like him, who are “moving” me away from these better Raptor reporting sites. And it’s not because I have rose coloured glasses, but because he (and others) take away the enjoyment of the game. Sure, last night’s game sucked. But please, find some other means to vent your existence.
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I think most of us have got it – we have a team that’s not going to contend for the championship. But I’d take this team over last year – a team which should have made the play-offs, with room to spare. Last night’s game definitely had flaws, and AB was part of that. But CONSTANTLY reading “glass half-empty” opinions, just starts to wear on ya.
That’s why I find myself – more and more – starting to look elsewhere for thoughts on the Raptors. I really would like to understand this game more, but reading all the vitriolic comments (that appear too often), just seems to create a smokescreen for all the intelligent / unbiased opinions.
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Granted “Def Stance”, I can see your bias, but at least I know you hate Bargnani. Tim W. is like that marriage that broke up, where the guy never owns up to being part of the reason for the split.
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Sorry Tim … but you need to get l@id, or something.
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I agree with your point about enjoying this year's squad more than last year's, but...
… it’s impossible to critically analyze this team without pointing to the player who is the focal point both on and off the court. He’s the second-highest paid player on the current squad. And last night we got to watch him get abused by a rookie while grabbing a measly two boards. Granted, there’s a whole team of guys who contributed to the end result.
My whole thing with Bargnani right now is just use him — and his one dimension — correctly. Play him exclusively with Reggie Evans, so he’s covering up the rebounding deficiency. And don’t play him during crunch time when you need guys to defend, rebound and do all the little things that win games. That’s it, really.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 2, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Rapthoseleafs,
Ironically enough, I was called a homer at times last year for posts that seemed too optimistic. I guessing there’s just no pleasing people.
And while I do agree my posts have been a bit too Bargnani-centric lately, most of the vitriolic comments have been aimed at me for voicing that opinion. One surefire way to get me to criticize something is to tell me, in not a nice way, that’s I’m not allowed to.
And as I stated in my recent post, I’m done talking about Bargnani for a long while. There’s really nothing more I have to say about the matter.
As for your last comment, I try and keep the personal attacks to a minimum. I suggest you do the same. You may be sick of my comments, but at least I try and do them with some class.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
Hey Tim
Tim,
You are right. What I said at the end of my comment, was not okay. And I apologize for that. It seems you took the brunt of my frustration (with all the negativity), and again, that was wrong of me to single you out. And yes, it was classless.
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The truth is, you have a decent BBall IQ (God I hate defining people). And when the topic is sans-AB, I do pay attention. I’m here to learn, but it gets difficult when Posts boil down to extremes – fanboys vs haters – and how the “other debater” is an idiot/mentally retarded/deviant etc.
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With respect to Bargnani, some of the appeal may be a hope (crazy or not), that he will “find” whatever it is, that’ll make him an important piece to the puzzle. I also have that hope for guys like Weems, and Amir. And being as I know little about Davis, I’m wondering what kind of impact he’ll make – and not necessarily this year. A lot of questions that I wish someone could offer an unbiased opinion. We’re only 3 games into the schedule – and I don’t count preseason (practice is what I call that) – so truthfully, it’s way too early to be cynical or negative. Everyone quotes a stat here and there, but some forget that a true Statistician would never use 3 games to define a season of 82.
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In the end – without being vitriolic myself – I’d like to learn coaching strategies, and why they work or don’t work. How to maximize player skills and talents. Does Reggie harm Andrea’s approach with his lackadaisical rebounding. Or does he take away the pressure, and allow Bargs to concentrate more on his help-defense (which I thought was good in the 1st half, and sucked near the end). Does it allow Andrea to be a better Post player – a situation he seems to be more in tune with.
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On a lighter note, it’s kind of nice (yes, a guilty fun), to see Bosh at 13 ppg & 6.4 Rbs, albeit, after 5 games. I can’t see him enjoying that situation for years. Maybe this year. But not if Miami doesn’t pull off a championship. Sacrifice is good – but not if it means nothing in the end.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 3, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Apology accepted. You’re usually pretty level headed, even when we disagree, so I must admit I was a little surprised. I have to say, I may have gone a little overboard on my blog, as well. I think I had just had enough.
As I said, I’m pretty much done talking about Bargnani. I’ve really got nothing more to say about the matter. It is amazing, however, the amount of abuse I got whenever I wrote something criticizing him, though. Ironically, it’s probably what kept me doing it. The amazing thing was that these people would continue to come back and read my blog, leaving nasty comments (which I would delete). I’m just amazed at how much hate these people spewed simply because I had an opposing opinion.
As for Bosh, I really don’t even check the box scores, anymore. I did for the first couple, out of interest, but I just don’t care in the least. I don’t hate him, like so many Raptor fans, I’m simply indifferent to him. I think he was a very good player for the Raptors, but I don’t blame him for leaving and I think, in the long run, it’s probably better for the franchise. I’m really looking forward to seeing how Ed Davis does. I’ve gone out on a pretty big limb pumping him up, so hopefully he proves me right.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
Bosh & Davis
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I’m with you on the Bosh thing. Don’t hate him, nor would I boo him – why provoke him, and draw out a better effort (when Miami plays us). Great talent – just disappointed that we tried to build around him, instead of building a team.
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As for Ed Davis, I’ve heard so much about how he shouldn’t have gone higher in the draft, and how the Raptors got lucky there. Watching a limited number of video highlights, he seems to have incredible talents. Great shot-blocker, and rebounder (from what I’ve seen/heard). Wondering if he could gel with AB, and give what Reggie lacks – an offensive option.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 3, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction
I’ve heard so much about how he shouldn’t have gone higher in the draft …
That should read …. should have gone higher in the draft
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 3, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that makes much more sense.
I think Davis getting injured last year was one of the best things that could have happened to the Raptors. If he had played a full season, I’m sure he would have been drafted in the top 5 or 6. That’s where I thought he should go.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
Raptor Make-up - Drafting - Fanboys - And more
it’s impossible to critically analyze this team without pointing to the player who is the focal point both on and off the court. [Defensive Stance]
This is where the whole problem starts. Bargs is the focal point, only because some fans have made him that, and because we have no one better on the Offensive side – as of yet.
Toronto drafted him #1 amongst a consensus weak draft – one precipitated by a draft rule change. Raps timing has been a function of bad luck. In our entry to the League, Raptors were "given" 7th pick (behind Vancouver) – 2 places past the spot where Garnett was chosen. Suffice to say, we have to live with that.
He’s the second-highest paid player on the current squad.
That comment made me laugh. At 8 million per season, it goes to show you that we really do have a minimalistic team. Detroit, Philadelphia, Cleveland & New York – teams we can beat – all have their 2nd highest paid player, whose salary is greater than Andrea. What does that mean? I really don’t know. And I really don’t care.
And last night we got to watch him get abused by a rookie while grabbing a measly two boards.
His rebounding does worry me – I`ll never dispute that. However, this is where I would have enjoyed some analysis, and less extreme dislike (which is not directed at anyone in particular)
- Is Bargs playing too many minutes?
- Is conditioning a factor?
- Is Reggie making him rebound lazy? Is Bargnani developing a bad habit?
- Does it matter if Reggie pulls in all these rebounds? If we beat them on the boards, does it matter if AB is not a big factor in that?
- Is Andrea playing a hybrid 4/5 position? And if so, is that a good thing?
- Is he a Centre or a PF? Or is he a SG in a 7 foot body?
Granted, at times these debates have happened. Unfortunately, they degrade into a name calling / BBall IQ debate. Or a fanboy diatribe, that defines a fan of Bargs as an idiot, and one who doesn’t know how to debate. It’s when debates are reduced to an emotional argument, that they lose me.
There is a part of me, that thinks those `fanboys` out there, say what they say, just to goad guys like Tim and others – sometimes defined as Bargnani haters. I can almost see them smiling, when they utter _Bargnani will be the best Rap player ever!
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The odd part about last nights’ game, was a feeling I got when Bargs took out Cousins after a few minutes. That changed the game, and was a big reason we raced ahead to a surprising start. But it also allowed Cousins to enter the 4th quarter, completely fresh. And we paid for that. Apparently it seems, so will AB.
My whole thing with Bargnani right now is just use him – and his one dimension – correctly.
This is where we`ll have to agree to disagree. I don`t see Bargs as simply one dimensional. And I`m not wishing to continue an argument that tires out so many fans. Especially so early in the season.
And don’t play him during crunch time when you need guys to defend, rebound and do all the little things that win games.
I could argue that it was a poor Offense that blew it for us. We rushed things near the end – completely opposite to the 1st Quarter. When I recently looked up 2009-10 Clutch Scoring (in the last 5 minutes, point spread less than 5), I was surprised by AB’s showing there. In fact, some numbers tracked better than Bosh.
But yes, Andrea needs to bare some of yesterday’s loss, along with others. I read that Jay was disturbed that Andrea, Kleiza & a few other shooters, should have taken a 3 pointer (near the end) when the opportunity presented it. Why, I don`t know.
My biggest retort to those who focus on the 4th Quarter, is a belief that it never should have come to this point. The Bench wasn`t there for us. Part of the problem probably rests with Jay. Another part has to do with a weak Front Court, that really could use Davis. Not as a Saviour, but as an option to what Anderson brings. Nice guy, but he`s not a 4th Big coming off the bench. It gets more accentuated by Amir being Amir.
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In the end, my rant was more about all the bitching that has gone on to this point. Andrea is not a Saviour, just a part of a team. A young & inexperienced team that I’m enjoying – despite the growing pains. Unfortunately, Bargs is a part that gets way too much attention.
As that happens, I end up missing the fun that basketball brings me, and the analysis that gets lost … like a needle in a haystack.
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Salary Check
He’s the second-highest paid player on the current squad.
Checking this further (care of HoopsHype – yeah, not the best), only OKC, Minnesota & Sacramento, have their 2nd highest player being paid less than Andrea. For OKC, that status will not last long.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 3, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions

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