Tip-In: The Best of the Worst; Raptors beat 76ers in "Harrison Barnes Cup"

I mean maybe they asked him to do so this year? has it been always this way? I remember A. passing out quite well when he is doubled, but aside of that I really have no clue.

Most post players who rack up assist can either pass to the other post player for a finish, or pass to a reliable outside shooting threat to counter the double, preferably a 3 point shooter, which at the moment the Raptors don’t have. I see a lot of passes going to Kleiza who to this point hasn’t really been shooting well, and one would figure that when he develops more chemistry with Weems and DeMar, and DeMar in particular develops a reliable jump shot, the assist numbers should go up.

I jumped ship too early on Bargs yesterday, but last night was the sort of night where you say, if things come together..watch out.

Still think Demar will turn out the better player. Forget his age, he seems younger. I think another season will proove me right. That being said, what a steal Sonny has turned out to be. Starting to wonder how good he can be.

I do not think you loose explosivness because of a microfracture, the doubt is he could get injuried again and again and again. Moreover we are talking about a rookye C, so you could not expect immediate production out of him. So I am not sure he would go to a contender as, being an inexperienced person could not come out and produce in short burns and I am not sure a bad team would want him as they could not paly him for extended minutes. I am afraid he is in a pretty bad fix….
may be 5 / 15 with some bonuses on top if he plays more than xyz …. not sure, a lot will depend uponthe new cap situation…

the real one or the one that plaid just on some people fantasy team? and now pls pls do not take out a per 36 min stat over a guy who could never play more than 10, either for faul trouble or for being unjured….

but he would be a project, like the two guys we had last year….

Bargs does not have the skillset of a true 5 (rebounding, help D). At the 4, his defensive deficiencies would be significantly masked if he played with a GOOD center.

Because there’s just so much difference in the NBA between playing center and PF?

Bargs scoring is needed. Noah is special and I argued a while back, even in his “iffy” years that the raps would be better served to try and move Bosh for him because he has those intangibles that translate to winning. I suppose the argument would be this – what kind of non-centre position player would contribute to championship level competitiveness in the case where the centre can efficiently handle the scoring burden and be an average rebounder for his position. If, best case scenario Bargs becomes an efficient high point scorer and average rebounder, what else might the Raptors look to do to move to the ranks of championship level team? Or is it impossible?

I would be very interested to see what Ed Davis brings to the table in years 2 and 3 of his career in combination with Bargs.

On Jefferson and Hibbert especially. Honestly haven’t seen enough of Marc Gasol and Lopez has had some tough nights and each time he plays against Bargs hasn’t outplayed him.

I will take this back to something I brought up a long while back. I imagine a lot of energy is consumed in trying to put up 20+ points a night, especially at the centre position where everyone is taking their shot at you. Some guys choose to use this energy for the hustle and rebounding (ala Reggie Evans) but you will still note a drop off in their play as the game goes along. We dismiss Bargs as not putting forth the effort but maybe we’re not recognizing just how the effort is being applied.

I’ll go with a Jim Edmunds/Devon White analogy here to better illustrate my point. You see Jim Edmunds dive and roll for catches in centre field and think him some amazing player giving full on effort. You watch Devon White make the same catch and looks like he’s not even trying.

I just don’t see how some of the other centres you mention would help the Raptors more, given how the roster is constructed, than Bargs would at present. You would see the likes of Jack and Kleiza taking it upon themselves to take even more shots if you stuck a Hibbert in there, who wasn’t regarded as a decent rebounder until late into last year and early this year.

With the +/- argument. Apparently Kevin Durant is known to land more on the – side and yet he is highly regarded. I wouldn’t mind if one of the board’s stat hounds looked into this.

I see where you’re coming from but if your primary metric was winning it’s hard to argue for the likes of Lopez, Hibbert, Gasol, and Kaman ahead of Bargnani given the winning percentages of their respective teams. Of course the advanced metrics might argue otherwise but the number of Ws is pretty cut and dry. You speak of Okafor as not a liability but I would disagree with you there. Perkins before the Big 3 was very much an offensive liability.

I think what’s clear is that we have way more data and direct observation of Bargnani in action than most of us do the other players at his position on other teams, so we are quicker to dismiss or discredit Bargs contribution in comparison to those others. What Franchise and the others at the HQ might look to do is bring in the other bloggers at the other sites and do a full discussion position by position to get a better perspective of just how good other players are in comparison to Raps players. Call it Mine vs. Yours or something like that.

We can argue till we’re blue in the face that this guy is better or that guy is better but I, and I suspect others, just don’t have enough information on hand to say definitively that, when you get beyond the truly upper echelon of each position, that a particular player is always and forever better than another player.

Isn’t Bargs in each of the best 5 man units though?

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