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Tip-In: Lights on But Nobody's Home; Raptors Fail to Show Up in Loss to Wizards


After two solid performances that had fans thinking the Raptors were back on track, last night's loss to the Wizards seemed more of a case of "3 steps back," after taking 2 forward...

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Yep, this was one of those games.

One of those games that as a fan, made you want to run into the locker room post-game, fire the coach, trade every player within spitting distance, and then go upstairs and kick the GM in the ass.

Yes it was that bad, and bad all around.

The 2 and 6 Washington Wizards made the Toronto Raptors look like a D League squad last night in their 109 to 94 thrashing of the visiting team.  They outplayed them in every facet, and while individuals like Gilbert Arenas, Nick Young and Andray Blatche were especially troublesome, each and every member of the Wizards put forth max effort and energy...unlike the Dinos.

Even Sonny Weems, who was far and away the best player for Toronto last night, didn't have enough impact on the game in the second half.

Post-game on the Fan590, predictably, everyone was calling for Jay Triano's head.

However to those who think he's the issue with this 2 and 9 team, I say "you haven't been paying attention."

At its core, this team has the same problems it's always had, only this year they're magnified by a giant gap in talent. I'll go back to my three facts from a previous recap; these are the real issues and until they're addressed, Phil Jackson wouldn't have much more luck squeezing wins out of this team.

That's not to say that I thought Triano did a good job last night.

Considering how hard guys like Julian Wright and Joey Dorsey had played for him in the two games leading up to this, it was an absolute kick in the gut as a fan to watch David Andersen out there shooting contested jump shots. It's not like Andersen was actually helping to get the Raps back in the game and again, if you're a team that's playing for playoff positioning and need some veteran savvy, I get it, give Andersen minutes.  But on this club?  What the hell happens when Ed Davis comes back?

Throw in the bizarre Marcus Banks/Jose Calderon/Jarrett Jack personnel decisions and the erroneous match-ups like having Reggie Evans guard the much more mobile Andray Blatche and you didn't have to be a Raptors' die-hard to see that Jay was grasping at straws.

He admitted as much post-game to the media but at least didn't pull any punches regarding his club's performance.

When asked about what transpired on the court he called it like it was; players 1 through 12 just didn't bring the necessary energy and while he tried everything to kick-start his club, even the usual sparks like Amir Johnson and Julian Wright were just flat.

He also had a few choice words for Andrea Bargnani.

When asked about Andrea's performance and if he thought Bargs was "getting the message" after Triano yanked him for poor play in the first, an exasperated Jay simply stated "you'd have to ask him."

He followed that up by bluntly stating "not really," when asked if he thought Bargnani played better in the second half.

Cricket cricket.

The bottom line here is that if the Raptors turn in efforts like that going forward, they won't win a game.

There's not enough talent to let them ride out tough stretches and really it has to be a 48 minute "all hands on deck" barrage.

Of course Triano has to do his part in ensuring the right combinations are used to maximize this barrage.

But as I said to the Fan 590's Eric Smith post-game, yes, things like defence are first and foremost about individual energy and hustle, but if those individuals playing the defence game after game, year after year, fail to bring the necessary levels of those traits, then it becomes a personnel issue.

So suddenly tonight's game against Philadelphia takes on a whole new meaning.

Which Raptors' team shows up, the one that vanquished Orlando and played Miami tough?

Or the one that forget to set their alarm clocks for the Wizards?

Philadelphia at 2-9 has been nearly as putrid as Toronto so far this season, but should still be a very tough challenge for the Raps.

Here are our 3 keys to getting a victory:

1)  Match-Ups:  Philly has some players who could simply wreak havoc on Toronto tonight.  Holiday, Turner, Brand - these are all individuals who out-talent the Raps at their respective positions so Triano needs to a better job getting the right players out there at the right times.  Reggie Evans gave it his all last night, but having him chase Blatche around last night opened up a huge hole in the Raps interior D, and took Evans' rebounding prowess away from the rim.  That left the 0 rebounds through the bulk of the game Bargnani trying to hold down the fort inside against guys like JaVale McGee and well...we saw the results.

2)  Point Guard Play:  Philadelphia doesn't have a John Wall or even a Gilbert Arenas to contend with but guys like Holiday and Louis Wiliams can get the job done.  So far this season I've though by and large that Toronto's play at the 1 has been inconsistent at best, and last night it was downright awful.

If Jack's going to continue to start, he needs to do a better job defensively (ie not getting lit up by Kirk Hinrich) and needs to get more players involved.  Last night again he tried to do too much and the result was 5 of 14 shooting performance.

As well, if Calderon wants to um...stay in the league, he's gotta come in and have some impact.  Period.  Last night he was a horrific 1-8 from the field, which is only magnified by the fact that he should really be the team's best pure shooter, and he had a lousy 2 assists.

3)  Get back on the Glass:  There are only a few clubs that have worse rebounding rates in the league than Philadephia.  However one of those is Washington, and we saw how that worked out last night as the Wiz pummeled the Dinos on the glass 47 to 36.

Tonight all hands need to get back to their glass-cleaning ways.

Guys like Amir Johnson and Joey Dorsey should be able to dominate inside as the 76ers after Brand can only offer up the likes of Marreese Speights and Spencer Hawes to help out in this capacity.  Easy points on the inside means a much better shot at the W, case closed.

I'm going to add one more key though.

Jay, let's get back to an 8 man rotation tonight.

I know it's probably too much to ask you to yank Bargnani out of the starting line-up completely but let's see Jose, Amir Johnson, and Kleiza off the bench if you're going with last night's starting line-up.  Sprinkle in heavy doses of Dorsey and Wright if Bargs is ineffective, but seriously, let's leave Marcus Banks and David Andersen out of the picture unless things really go awry tonight.

And I mean "half the club comes down with Swine Flu" awry.

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This is going to sound awful, but I kind of hope Triano rolls out his “Usual Suspects” tonight, and the team gets hammered.

Maybe that would be just what the organization/coaching staff needs to realize how bad things are, and that this is definitely a building year.

Maybe, we would even see Andrea and Jose get a DNP-CD in the next one. Wouldn’t that be a well needed wake up. I would even bench Jack for as much of the game as I could. Not that I think he is any good, but I would play Banks as much as I could for one night. The PGs and Andrea need to realize that they are supposed to be our best players, but are playing like our worst.

Obviously, I am always for benching David Anderson.

by JumpShootersRUS on Nov 17, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

Have to say I feel the same way…part of me took some evil yet delicious delight in seeing things go down in Flames last night.

This may have to happen a lot this year until Colangelo realizes he’s built his castle on a foundation of sand…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Nov 17, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup

It was like watching a car crash, but not the kind that makes traffic stop to watch, the kind where everyone just wants the tow trucks to get the f*#@ out of the way.

Good observation on the not playing of Dorsey and Wright, I thought the same thing.
Why stray from what worked?

by PNUTZ on Nov 17, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't even blame the refs for this one...

Anyone with me, saying that if any one position cold be replaced with a superstar, pg would be the most impactful one, maybe even turn them into a playoff team?

Have to say, I’m still supporting Triano though… he’s not giviing up and he’s not making excuses.

by axl t on Nov 17, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

Axl t agreed

But, as everyone here probably knows, I have been a Bargani supporter but he needed a good kick in the ass last night. I’m hoping that Derozen soon secures the label of being our top player both by his play and by general recognition.They need to look for Derozen more and less to Bargs. That will finnally take Bargs off the pedistal to whch he is not qualified.

by raptball on Nov 17, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

and if Bargs is doing less on offense

then whats the point of playing him at all?

Before anything else is asked or answered… the first question needs to be. Does Bargs deserve to be on the court.

The answer should no longer be in question

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 17, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Precisely, the answer is a definitive no. Even when he is scoring, Bargnani is simply mitigating everything else he’s giving up in terms of defence and rebounding. So at best, when Bargnani is being efficient on the offensive side of the court, he is just levelling off all the negative impacts he’s having. When he’s not scoring he’s an unmitigated disaster out there (see last night’s game) dragging his team down like an anchor.

by MAS11 on Nov 17, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the ball-and-chain imagery for Bargs on nights like this…actually, a funny cartoon would be Colangelo hobbling around with the Andrea ball-and-chain anchored to him…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Nov 17, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

A less funny cartoon is Bargnani and Colangelo tied as a ball and chain to the entire franchise and fan base… Ya not so funny anymore…

by MAS11 on Nov 17, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought I noticed

Even bargs was looking to derozan to score last night. i can’t see bargs having much influence with the rest of the guys when he plays so soft himself… come on bargnani, got to dig deeper.

by axl t on Nov 17, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

sad sad shooting

3-13 from Bargnani and 1-8 from Jose… add in 5-14 from Jack and you’ve got: 8-35 (23%) from a group that played almost 80 minutes combined.

by B.C. on Nov 17, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

And make over $20 million combined. Good times.

by McGateway on Nov 17, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s just a horribly flawed team. You’re paying the most money to the worst players. The guys who actually get after it on the floor are nailed to the bench for long stretches of the game. The coach is trying to tow the line between being a puppet for the GM and actually holding players accountable (leaning towards the latter). And all the while, the organization is pretending that a playoff spot is a realistic goal.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 17, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Washington would consider a swap of headaches. Raptors send Calderon, Bargnani and Anderson for Arenas. Then take Yi back as well for a bottom 10 2nd round pick and the trade exception. Arenas would instantly improve the PG position here and Bargnani might actually play better if he has a real PG tossing him the rock (of course that is a big guess on my part). Ugh I am getting desperate here.

by McGateway on Nov 17, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking along the same lines

Would a Jevalee McGee, Kirk Heinrich for Bargs and pieces swap make sense for both sides at this point? I would still shy away from Arenas because although he can do what he did last night, how many games of that can you hope to get over the course of his contract. I know we’re calling for a young star point guard, but Heinrich always strikes me as a guy who contributes to winning with smart play. If you could then offer Miami the choice of Jarret Jack or Jose Calderon for James Jones (we need reliable 3 point shooting badly since we are more often than not trading 2s for 3s), you have the making of a team that can be built upon the right way.

Under Saunders, Bargs might blossom into everything we hoped he’d be here but it’s time the team established an identity and acquired the pieces to fit that identity.

As for Triano, didn’t see the beginning of the game but if he altered the starting line up from what had been working previously, maybe, just maybe, the team checked out subconsciously and the game was lost before it even started.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 17, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, when you put it that way D-stance...

You know what, you’ve nailed how terrible this situation is right on the head. The fact that our highest paid players are our worst and the players who deserve to play don’t, pretty much sums up how f’d up the Colangelo era has and continues to be.

by MAS11 on Nov 17, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

A sad showing by the Raptors

Let’s remember, so far it’s one game of the last 3. Relate it to a hockey game with a team losing 6-0 or a baseball game with a team shut out 9-0, and neither in the game. It’s competitive pro sports, one team plays very good and the other dosent play well,and the results are what we saw, happens all the time in the NBA, NHL, MLB regardless of team records.

The same team beat Orlando and competed with Miami till late in the fourth quarter.
70 more games to go, bound to be more like this, as well as more like the Miami games.

by Johnn19 on Nov 17, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

The difference being

in any other loss, that Raptors generally showed effort, hustle and intensity. It didn’t always result in wins.

This game was different…..

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 17, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

tradebargnani.com still available

As mentioned in recent posts, I gots my finger on the trigger, and will purchase tradebargnani.com in a heartbeat. I know Defensive Stance and Franchise have asked me to wait until Dec 1st to fully asses Barni; however, I can’t wait to purchase this domain. The proof is in the pudding my friends. The Raps can “successfully” rebuild once the Italian Donkey sets sail for somewhere else.

Even when, and this is very infrequent, Bargni has a few games where he scores a few, it still doesn’t change things. His inconsistency alone is enough to make him a 7th-9th guy off the bench. I just wish Jay and BC would realize this. They won’t though. As long as they keep remembering that they just anti-up’d on this dude in the off season, we’re stuck with him for quite some time to come.

I’m dumbfoudned with how horrible he moves on the court. Seriously, every move he makes is so obvious for defenders – they have no trouble beating him to his spot, due to the fact that he telegraphs every single move. Head down, follow markings on flow, and run. He’s programmed like a robot. Also, I watched him lose position to his oppenent, defensively, time and time again. He forgets where he is under the basket, and when a shot goes up, he then soon realizes he’s screwed. His help D is horrible – can he not jump more than 3 centmeters off the ground?

Anyhow, I love watching the growth of Derozan, Weems and Amir. I’m also looking forward to the 2012 drat….I haven’t been this excitied, this soon, for the draft. Outside of Bargnani, I have no issue watching this team go through there ups and downs.

Good chat.
Nick

by Nicholas_V on Nov 17, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

While “Italian Donkey” may be strong language (no matter how hilarious) and somewhat inappropriate, I do agree with the sentiment that this team needs to get rid of Bargnani now (while there may be someone dumb enough to take a flier and absorb his ridiculous contract) and move on.

by MAS11 on Nov 17, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, but....

….I still think he has more trade value than some people around here seem to think. While Isaiah has left the Knicks, David Kahn is still in Minny, so there is always the chance to rob some other team.

by RaptorsAddict on Nov 17, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Falling short of low expectations

I don’t mind this team losing at all, but the one thing I was looking forward to this year was a team that tried – because we actually do have a bunch of athletic hustle guys. So my frustration with Triano isn’t that the team loses, it’s that the guys who don’t try get way too many minutes. Rather than respond reasonably, by riding the effort guys to a hard-fought loss, Triano just throws out random combo after random combo, hoping one of them miraculously gels.

by benjibopper on Nov 17, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Optimizing Bargs

Before we trade Bargs, I would consider the alternative – while his flaws are too great for him to be a starter, he may well have decent value to the Raptors as a long-range shooter off the bench (think Matt Bonner in Dallas), especially against less physical centers. As an experiment I would start Dorsey and Evans in the front court tonight and focus the team on hard nose basketball. Bargs should come off the bench only when match ups makes sense.

by MMBL10 on Nov 17, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

My only issue with this is then you are essentially paying Matt Bonner $50 million over 5 years – which is insane.

by MAS11 on Nov 17, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

paying Bargs

50 mil to come off the bench may be insane

but is it not still a better choice than playing him?

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the question was framed more as Bench Vs. Trade

by MAS11 on Nov 17, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

true

I’m just saying, at this point in time, Bargs not being on the floor can only be a benifit no matter what happens.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 17, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW!

You have done a complete 180 on Bargnani. I reember having some good battles with you on this issue (if I remember correctly). Welcome to the dark side ; )

by MAS11 on Nov 17, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I have in part

I will say I defended him on more than a few occasions….. he has managed to prove me totally and completely wrong.

However, I have never been a fan of his game, just never once expected him to actually make the team worse by being on the floor… which I feel he is now doing.

I think the majority of our battle came over Colangelo…and if he is now unable or unwilling to do, or allow Triano to do, something about Bargs… he may well prove me wrong to.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 17, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

One absolute crappy game, and the vultures are out in full force. Ever notice how only one type of fan is chatting today. Well, except me. I guess I’m brave.
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Thing is, except for Weems & maybe Kleiza to a smaller extent, the whole team played crap. However, reading today’s comments, you’d think the loss was because of one guy. Yeah, he played like sh!t, and yes, Jay should have benched him. But even when he did, the guys on the Court played just as bad. As much as the Orlando win & Miami loss featured great efforts by the team as a whole, this loss featured a colossal break-down.

Sometimes we need to get a perspective on what we want. Do we want a solid chance at the 1st overall pick, or do you want a play-off team? – As much as that is probably a dream.

Bi-Polar: The current term “bipolar disorder” refers to the cycling between high and low episodes (poles).

Okay, now that I’ve said this … sling away. :-)
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 17, 2010 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

Good for Bargs

30 points and 8 rebounds, although I am a Bargnani backer, I still do not see him as a “go to” franchise player but he will make one hell of a second option. I know that there are a few who continue this bull shit about rebounds being more important than points but tonights game is an example where the Raps were out rebounded but won the game.It’s the team with the most points on the board that wins.

by raptball on Nov 17, 2010 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

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