Tip-In: An Evans Short. Raptors Lose to Miami 109 to 100
Despite never leading, the Miami Heat simply could not be satisfied with this win as the Raptors fought tooth and nail. Vicious D breaks it all down as the Raptors gave an effort we should all be proud of.
If you're a Raptor fan, you couldn't have asked for much more.
If you're a Heat fan, you're probably wondering how you can steal some of the Raptors' heart.
Although I've always been one to hate to use the term "moral victory", last night may have been the most perfect example of one. Coming off a back-to-back, the Raptors put a scare into the Miami Heat by playing with heart, by never giving up, and by utilizing their depth.
Yup, it was a mish-mash of players and the Raptors couldn't gain a lead for the entire evening.
And yet, here I am, feeling pretty good about this loss.
Why?
Well guys like Julian Wright and Joey Dorsey both continued to impress the heck out of me with their hustle and work. While both sometimes were found over extended beyond their abilities, both gave the Raptors some well needed defensive presence. Wright managed to contain LeBron fairly well in addition to leading some impressive offensive possessions and Dorsey battled the Miami bigs a night after wrestling with Dwight Howard all night.
You also had guys like Jose Calderon dropping in another solid night of work and our Young Onez coming in and giving our Raptors a lot of legs. Sonny Weems got things going in the first half, while DeMar DeRozan put in another solid effort to round off a career evening the other day. Oh and Amir Johnson used his fouls effectively and managed to get on that offensive glass.
Even guys who didn't play their best ball such as Andrea Bargnani and Jarrett Jack still gave us some production. While I believe Bargs really forced things and just didn't understand that he needed to adjust his shot to get things going (ie higher arc, more legs), I don't think Jay Triano had any choice but to play him considering the foul trouble that plagued Dorsey and Johnson. Jarrett Jack on the other hand, continued to force the issue and is starting to show signs that his judgment needs to be called into question a little more often.
However, it's hard for me to fault the Raptors considering that this is the tail end of a back-to-back. Well, except for one David Andersen who seemed to infect our most important defensive player with "flu-like" symptoms.
Reggie Evans's absence yesterday just underlined his overall importance to this club's fortunes. While guys like Amir Johnson and Joey Dorsey filled in quite well for him, Evans's attention to detail on defense, his experience, and most of all, his court savvy were simply irreplaceable. There was little doubt in my mind that Evans would have tipped the balance on some of the plays that saw the Heat carve up our interior D. His ability to move his feet and bother players insistent on driving the ball would have aided the Raptors greatly against a guy like LeBron James, especially when the Raptors ended up double-teaming LeBron to leave a wide open Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
Nevertheless, I think the Heat have a lot to be worried about.
Despite harping about checking egos at the door and playing in a "team" concept, there is definitely a foreboding feeling surrounding the Heat. And while I'm just an outsider looking in, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of "enthusiasm" or "togetherness". It's especially noticeable on the face of Chris Bosh and as a few of our readers pointed out last night, Bosh's body language just wasn't there. He just wasn't boxing out players and wasn't going in and fighting for rebounds the way you would expect him to considering the offensive talent he's playing with. And with five fouls, Bosh was forced to ride the pine for most of the night.
Pretty unfathomable that this is the same Chris Bosh that we've seen improve pretty steadily over the past few years.
And while the Heat secured a pretty impressive highlight reel for the night, it wasn't as if the Raptors had a hard time getting their ideal shots against the Miami D. Although I'm still pretty awestruck by the dunks Mr. James, Mr. Wade, and Mr. Bosh performed, it's still defense that is going to win you championships.
It's heart and determination that makes you a strong defender.
Fortunately for us Raptor fans, that's something that we're seeing more of lately, and something that will be further boosted upon Reggie Evans's return.
Unfortunately for the Heat fans, it's something that seems to be inconsistent at best, with no relief in sight.
And that's why I'm going to sleep well tonight.
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I said it last night, and I'll say it again
Thank fuck we didn’t re-sign Bosh. His immaturity, petulance and selfishness really shone through last night. He obviously expected to have a big night and planned to come out and dominate his former club. When it didn’t work out that way, he turned into the sulky little bitch I remember so well.
Now, all this is not to say I think he’s a terrible player – of course not. He’s a top 25 NBA’er. But, more importanly, he’s most certainly NOT a guy who is going to be the leader of a championship team. Given his body language last night, as well as the totality of what he said whilst here in T-Dot, he evidently has yet to get that memo explaining his “beta-male” status (which is further evidenced by his choice in women, namely strong-assed ones who ran his show – do you think MJ ever got told what to do by any of his 98000 women?). The best part of it all? His obliviousness to these facts.
Not that I’m bitter about his departure (although I am kinda pissed we didn’t take a flyer on Beasley). As I said, I’m overjoyed he’s gone, otherwise we would have been in for another half-decade of middling misery being “lead” by the RuPaul of big men. But that doesn’t mean I"m not going to take great joy in his continued failures. I hope they win zero championships, and I truly love the fact that I now have a team to actively root against. It reminds me of when I worked in Scotland and there was a huge Rugy tourney in town. I worked at a bar, and much to my surprise, when England came on against France the whole place cheered more for England to lose than they did for Scotland to win during the previous game. Unified hatred is a strong, strong, strong human emotion, and I would like to thank the Heat for bringing it out in me.
I truly love the fact that I now have a team to actively root against
RaptorsAaddict funny You should say that I actually found Myself cheering for the Celtics twice this year!
Bosh
It’s true that Bosh was never going to be ‘the man’ on a championship team. I think he would’ve been fine joining either Wade in Miami or James in Cleveland. The problem is, he chose to tag along and join BOTH of these guys and their insane usage rates. I’m not sure how he expected to score more than 12 ppg?
The drop in rebounding by Bosh is just a symptom of not being involved and sulking about it.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 14, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Its impossible that Bosh is sulking about anything… I mean he always give 100%… at least thats what he told us, and what his followers told us to. Or maybe, just maybe he did dog it….
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 14, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
good point DS
And the fact that the heat are not a very big team at all you would think he would be all over the glass and his rebound numbers would still be pretty high but it just hasn’t been the case so far.
by sherwin316 on Nov 14, 2010 11:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trade for someone like Varajeo?
The Heat don’t need a skilled offensive player at the 4, they need a rebounder and defender.
agree
But with what happened with lebron and the cavs I doubt the cavs owner wouldn’t want to help out the heat at all if they wanted a trade for Anderson lol
by sherwin316 on Nov 14, 2010 11:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He also promised his fans they would win a championship before Miami did and that isnt going to happen with Varejo as one of your best players.
those two ideas
are completely exclusive of one another.
There is now way the Cavs would do anything to help Miami unless they got a steal of a deal.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 14, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
So you are saying Bosh couldn’t help Cleveland more right now than he is helping Miami? Getting Bosh for Varejo would be a bit of a coup especially considering where they are getting him from. I guess it really depends on how you look at it.
Would Bosh help Cleveland more than Miami?
yeah probably, but I would wager Varajeo helps Cleveland more than Bosh does. I also will wager that Varajeo helps Miami more than Bosh does Cleveland
I don’t think Cleveland getting Bosh is anything close to a coup. Right now Bosh is a heavy contract on a team that is showing weaknesses… and not even remotely providing what he needs to or is expected to. All Cleveland does is (likely) improves Miami’s team (by filling in some of their Gaps) while adding a guy who has shown to not be what alot people thought he was.
Cleveland would also have 3 ‘Bosh like’ players… Jamison, Bosh and Hickson. Would this be a great move for Miami, yep. Would this be a great move for Cleveland, nope.
Now I could see Clevelan doing a Bosh for Jamison or Hickson trade… but I’m not sure how thats what Miami wants or needs.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot believe that you are comparing Bosh to Hickson and Jamison. Jamison is over the hill and probably more suited for a coming off the bench role on a contender while Hickson has yet to prove that he can put up numbers and carry a team offensively. Bosh may be having a terrible season in Miami but that is as much a productive of team dynamics than it is his abilities. I just do not understand where this Bosh bashing comes from. He may never make the top 50 greatest players of all time list but he is a lot better than you are giving him credit for. As for Varejo, I totally agree that he would help Miami more than Bosh does currently because he won’t want the ball the way Bosh does. The fact that Bosh would want the ball is something you would normally want from anyone you were paying 15 mil a year to.
Some things
Not sure if Evans would have made that much of a difference. Some of what Amir did in his extended minutes Evans couldn’t do and Dorsey got the rebounds.
Julian Wright can play basketball, and if he is assured of playing time I think he will be less prone to overextending himself by trying 3 point shots. Triano must find a way to work him into the regular rotation.
Andrea started 0 for 7, but finished 8 for his last 16, not a great overall percentage but he did improve his shooting as the game wore on. Jack was a disappointment.
I haven’t been a Triano fan the last little while but if he can get this type of effort from the team on a regular basis consider me a convert. I still say he should have realized what he had in Wright earlier in the season.
What this stretch might reveal is just how much more flexibility Colangelo has when aiming to improve the team. I need to see more of Kleiza at his best to conclude whether he is a key piece to a future championship Raptors team, but wouldn’t be opposed to moving him, Barbosa, Evans, if it could get the sort of players/picks that could really help the team down the line, especially at PG.
Barbosa, Evans, Kleiza for Nene and Lawson would be intriguing for both sides.
If Miami doesn’t dominate as expected and is compelled to move Bosh for a point guard and centre who are lesser names but more complementary pieces, does that end the Super Team era before it starts? The Heat’s brand of basketball would be boring to watch for an entire season but the drama makes them worth keeping an eye on.
If I were Chicago, I would call about swapping Bosh for Boozer. I think Bosh would excel next to Noah and Boozer is more of a dirty work grinder type than Bosh.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
I think Evans is very much underrated as a help defender and he is extremely underrated for making heady plays and blocking off lanes. He just knows where to be, knows how to get his hands on the ball to initiate turnovers and just is an overall pest.
Wright is going to have his struggles (especially if he keeps taking 3s) but yeah, he’s done a lot of good and has been a defensive presence.
I still say Colangelo makes a play for Rubio at some point this season. Just a hunch.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 14, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
i agree with you
And watching jack play lately he’s trying his best but he is just tries and force the issue too much and is causing way too many turnovers. I said this last night this team needs a young PG to groom cause I just don’t see jack or calderon leading this team in the long haul. And if its rubio now (cause minny has way too many point guards as is) than I hope BC does it.
by sherwin316 on Nov 14, 2010 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Getting Rubio would be like a dream come true.
by RaptorsAddict on Nov 14, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Two things...
I don’t think Rubio gets traded. I think Kahn and the Wolves are banking on this guy suiting up for the team at some point.
And I also think Rubio is going to be a player who fails to meet expectations on the NBA level. He’s been hyped up to the point of being the next great point guard — but I think guys like Rose, Westbrook, Paul, Williams, Rondo, etc will eat him alive.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 14, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
True enough
But I still say he makes a play for him because he’s the kind of player BC would love to have.
Heck, my prediction he’d go after Hedo came true :p
Not saying I like it btw
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 14, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
i think BC makes a play for him too.
Its worth a shot..I do agree with DS that guys like westbrook, rondo, etc. Would eat him alive NOW. The NBA is a totally different league compare to Europe and it’ll take him time to adjust but its not to say maybe he’ll do fine in the league. Hell I remember watching this summer when rubio was guarding rose and did a pretty decide job. Unless there’s better point guard options for the raps to get why not make a play for him.
by sherwin316 on Nov 14, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know much about Rubio
outside of some highlights and clips.
But who doesn’t Westbrook and Rondo eat alive?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 14, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
his game is pretty good
I think his real weakness is his jump shot..and its kindof weird that the last few weeks raptors TV show a lot of his games..matter of fact he’s playing today at 4PM on raps TV maybe they know something we don’t hmmm lol
by sherwin316 on Nov 14, 2010 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
re Rubio
He can pass and defend, but he is not a shooter or scorer, and will have a big learning curve to excel in the NBA. He was awful for Spain at this years World’s.
If we were looking for comparables wouldn't Rubio = Rondo to some extent?
How is his rebounding?
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Nov 14, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with both D-stance and Vicious -
Rubio is overrated and I will not be surprised when BC tries to aquire him…
You can scrap Rose from that list
He has already plaid against Rose and rose did not come out well. They pulled Rose and brought Curry in. Curry managed to surprise Rubio a few times, stealing him the ball
Actually
He’s saying something based one evidence. Rose couldn’t get anything going against Rubio during the Worlds. So I guess they’re definitely on the same planet
I didn't see that game...
But I will grant you guys that maybe, maybe Rubio had a good game against Rose or Rose didn’t play well in that one single game. However, if we are comparing Rose and Rubio on talent level, accomplishments as a professionals, skill level and as overall players, Rubio is no where near Derick Rose.
Accomplishments as Professionals?
I think Rubio has more professional accomplishments than Rose at this point, but I guess you’re dismissing his International record as just fluff.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Nov 14, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
There is simply no correlation between the level of play, talent of competition etc. between the NBA and Euro-league/international basketball despite what Leo Rautins wants you to believe.
the game was plaid before the worlds
maybe a week before. Anyway MAS11, for your information, Rose has not been the only guy over matched by Rubio. You can add Deron Williams at the Olympic games. Actually at the time he owned basically all point guards the USA team had at the time, they plaid twice (Mind you Rubio was 16 at the time). Now it is still a small sample but the evidence is what it is and it goes in one direction and not in the other.Sorry if that disappoints you.
ps, I did not look for it but I believe you can find some video on youtube
I think the problem is the small sample size. It is one thing to play against a guy once or twice and someone like Rubio can have a huge edge because he is unfamiliar to the player(tape can only add so much). If he came to the NBA his game would get dissected to the point where he would have to face guys who know what he had for breakfast. I am not saying Rubio cannot play at the NBA only that it is difficult to gauge how well he will do here until he comes over.
I totally buy your argument
with the caveat that it is an argument that “cuts” both ways.
That said this team possibly needs a Star PG and a big bulky C. No, actually it needs a Star Pg and a big bulky C who are willing to stay in TO long term. I would love to have Curry but I doubt GSW would let him go, Rubio could be the next best thing down that road.
Irrespective of what the ultimate Rubio skill level is
I believe one need to come to terms of the fact that you need to get the best people available ….who may wish to settle down in TO. Ok, Curry would have loved it but he is not available. Now if you can get somebody at Rubio’s level you wouldn’t you be a fool not to try to get him in place of another “all the way U.S.A.” kind of person?
Rubio
+1!
Rubio is the perfect fit, and if BC can get MLSE to pony up the cash required, he should win exec of the year.
(And if we include Jack in the deal it would give us an all Spanish Olympian PG situation)
by CamHilton on Nov 14, 2010 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Backing up Rubio
Given Calderon has experience backing him up already, not to mention Calderon has been a total pro in accepting a backup role for both Ford and Jack, what makes you think it would ever be a problem?
by CamHilton on Nov 15, 2010 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you think his recent play
makes anyone jumping at the phone for proposing trades (Bosh)
I must say some of your proposed trades seem to defie logic, unless you know something I do not ( if so, please bring it up). Teams that could be in need of a player like Barbosa are going to be playoffs teams. A bad team would not give you their picks. You really think a low first would give you a better player than Barbosa?
Evans (and / or our other expirings) could bring home a valuable piece. I am on a wait and see with JC. if he is bad, he is going to Stay, but he is playing better (actually MUCH better than jack) If you get the old JC back, would you still want to trade him? (bare in mind he has plaid hurt the last two seasons).
Of course if at the draft you get a superstar pg, you do it, not to make with him, the same mistake the Raptors made with Andrea.
Denver should be a playoff team
So, not sure about your point. Barbosa could be very helpful to the future Raptors, true, but the question to be answered is how long will it take that future to be realized. If you think it’s a window that lasts the length of his contract then sure, keep him, but if you’re offered a useful piece/pieces that are more than you would be offered at any other time by a team looking to max out their situation before the lockout then..why not?
Chicago is playing very well without Boozer, and with Bosh being at his low point, flipping an older, more injury proned Boozer to a team feeling the pressure to win now, it could very well be a steal of a deal that helps with Chicago’s ascension as a permanent fixture in the upper ranks for a while.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Nov 14, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I do not think there is anyway that the Raptors land Nene and Lawson for that.
by JumpShootersRUS on Nov 14, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Good heavens Mr. Evans
Couple of short points:
He is 30, don’t see why the calls to get rid of him next year. Should reward his efforts with a 2 or 3 year modest contract if possible. Very valuable mentor.
I appears that he has become the leader on the team. I thought it would be more Jack as the leader but it seems to be Reggie and Jose.
Because you will probably have to over pay him to stay. He is not worth the money he makes now considering his complete lack of offense. If he is willing to stay for 2 million a year then fine but considering a few teams might offer him that much to be a role player, I would be worried about having to give him too much money.
I disagree
While I would gladly would accept Reggie being dealt for something that betters the future of this organization, keeping him after this year, based on his contribution after first 10 games cannot be ruled out.
He seems to fit well, provides a specific need we historically have lacked and is a fan favourite. He seems to understand his role better, bringing the ball back out as opposed to his “bull in a China shop” last season.
Do not think we need to overspend to get him either, if thats the route we take. Think he likes the city, the organization, and the opportunity for minutes. Plus, what do you think other teams will offer him?
While I would gladly would accept Reggie being dealt for something that betters the future of this organization, keeping him after this year, based on his contribution after first 10 games cannot be ruled out.
I think the team should deal him for something if they can. They should just let the kids play this year.
Think he likes the city, the organization, and the opportunity for minutes. Plus, what do you think other teams will offer him?</blockquote>
I agree that he is a good guy to have on the team. They could always trade him, and then sign him back next year if they wanted to.
by JumpShootersRUS on Nov 14, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I messed up the quotations. This is what I was saying.
Go ahead and trade Reggie if you can get a pick and an expiring for him. Then sign him back next year if you want him.
by JumpShootersRUS on Nov 14, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Great effort
I know the season is early but….
Does anyone see an identity forming with this group? While not a fan of Yong Gunz moniker the group of DeRozan, Weems, Johnson and plebes Dorsey and Wright came out in the Sunshine State. Was that a glimpse of our futur?
The Heat have their issues. They are talented enough to beat the lesser teams but they will struggle against established teams. Bosh will never be the inside banger that they need. Their interior D, so far, ranks one of the worst in the league. He was a part(big) of our horrible defence last season. Miami already regrets giving him that max deal and Bosh does not look all that happy. Looks good on him.
I think Bosh will be fine eventually but they need Wade and Lebron to work out their stuff first. Until they do, Bosh will continue to be an afterthought and the team will struggle.
Agree wholeheartedly
that Bosh will adjust to his role, but still don’t think he will play the role that the Heat require from their PF. Doesn’t seem the right fit.
Regarding Wade and Lebron, not sold that they are a good fit(yet?) together. As I stated yesterday, playing side by side answers the question of who is better between Wade and James. And I am not sure that DWade can handle the truth.
One thing for sure, it will be interesting to watch unfold. I think anything short of Eastern Conference champs would be looked at as disappointing.
Can't say I agree
Lebron has never had a problem giving up the ball, and there doesn’t even seem to be the remotest anamosity between the two when one makes an individual play.
Those two are the best perimeter/back court duo in the league right now. But they still need others to do more to be successful. I think Haslem and James Jones have been great for them… its everywhere else they are having a problem.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 14, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is the problem with throwing 3 stars together in general though, just ask the Malone/Glove Lakers. I think Bosh/Lebron/Wade thought it would be like the Olympics and forgot that the NBA is not the Olympics. I do think Bosh is not a good fit with both of those guys on the team. One sure but both just turns him into an after thought and that can’t feel good.
i think theres something there to what your saying tinmann & McGateway
i agree with both of you on that cause from watching some of their games already when 1 of them goes off and the others just lay back the team loses, like when the game is on the line whos gonna take that finally shot etc. in fact before the season started i read an article on realgm.com lebron has already said hes not there to play second fiddle to no one (wade) cause everyone automaticly thinks since its wades team that bron and bosh will have to play second fiddle which he has already said isnt happening…i mention this cause if they dont turn it around soon, the fans will start talking, the media, bloggers, their own entourage will start feeding them things and maybe ignore the “team concept” and the selfishness will come out. each of them might think to themselves "hell we aint going no where fast i might as well put it on my back and take over’’ theres already been questions about that already this season from the coach which isnt good. after watching last night im just still surprize that the 3 of them are having problems gelling still i mean they played all summer in the world championships, and all training camp you would think they would have gelled by now.
Bosh not being the perfect fit
I don’t doubt that Riley and the Heat already knew that Bosh would not be the perfect fit, but if you can lure Lebron and Wade in because they wanted him, you do it.
Bosh ended up signing for a little less than he would of elsewhere. If the Heat decide trading Bosh is the right thing to do, they will be able to.
by JumpShootersRUS on Nov 14, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
A more likely scenario...
Looks like they want a cheap backup pointguard so maybe this is more what they would want…
another PF?
WIll there be a day in which we will have a PF coach and PF GM?
Thompson at center...
He had good numbers when he got minutes at center… but with Dalambert and Cousins he gets no more burn at the spot…
but what about this blockbuster?
AND THEN...
After Dec. 15th when Kleiza is tradeable, we send him to the Clippers for Baron Davis, who isn’t getting any court time there…
So our new lineup would be...
Starters / Subs
PG – Ricky Rubio / Jonny Flynn
SG – Demar Derozan / Leandro Barbosa
SF – Andrea Bargnani / Julian Wright
PF – ReggieEvans / Joey Dorsey
C – Amir Johnson / Jason Thompson
And I posted before thinking about the Baron Davis thing… we should move Kleiza and Barbosa for a NICE SG to be interchangeable with Demar.
Finally we end up with...
Starters / Subs
PG – Ricky Rubio / Jonny Flynn
SG – Demar Derozan / Daniel Gibson / Leandro Barbosa
SF – Andrea Bargnani / Julian Wright
PF – Reggie Evans / Joey Dorsey
C – Amir Johnson / Ed Davis / Jason Thompson
And that is only for this season… We still see what we can do with the draft and maybe Alabi develops to be playable at Center or tradeable. Then we still have guys like Barbosa and Reggie Evans for decent tradeable commodities…
The future is bright in my opinion…

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