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Tip-In: Hustle and Flow - Short-handed Raptors Use Complete Team Effort to Topple Magic 110 to 106

The HQ breaks down last night's huge win in Orlando, sets up tonight's game in Miami, and notes the importance of last night's roster...

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"Teams play best in a set, solid rotation, where everybody knows where they fit in..."

The wisdom of Jeff Van Gundy.

Last night I was watching the end of the OKC vs. Portland game and those words of Van Gundy's stuck with me in the wake of Toronto's 110 to 106 win over Orlando.

He was referring to a Blazers team that is still dealing with injury woes, but it was an apt description for the Toronto Raptors too.

The Raps of course pulled off a shocker last night, a win on the road over one of the league's most formidable opponents, the Orlando Magic.

But it wasn't just getting the W that I want to talk about this morning, it was the way it was accomplished.

No Linas Kleiza, no David Andersen, no Leandro Barbosa?

No problem.

Toronto won with a complete effort from 8 main guys, including a Mr. Reggie Evans who was a game-time decision. They out-worked the Magic, out-fought the Magic, got a little luck along the way, and more importantly, out-excuted their opponents in their best, and only second, win of the season.

It was an interesting and somewhat rag-tag group that took the court last night, but a group that made our live chat smile as it mostly consisted of the players we've been begging Triano to give more time to.  The argument has been that this season, regardless of anything Colangelo says, is about rebuilding and to do that, you need to see what you've got to work with.

Toronto saw lots of that last night with huge performances by the young gunz, and some surprising other players as well.

So where to start with this Saturday late morning breakdown?

-With DeMar DeRozan, who was the brightest star among many in the Raps win?  He finished with a career-high 26 points on some very efficient shooting and grabbed 7 rebounds as well.

-How about Julian Wright who again gave the Raptors huge minutes off the bench?  He had only 7 points, but they were timely ones, and his 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks and a steal show just how active he was in this one.

-Maybe Sonny Weems?  Weems similar to Wright made some huge plays in this one on his way to 14 points, 3 assists and 2 steals but none bigger than the 3-pointer he nailed with seconds left and the team knotted at 103.

-Reggie Evans?  

-Amir Johnson?

Reggie's offence was pretty non-existent once more but he hauled in 12 rebounds and battled Dwight Howard as well as anyone I've seen in a long time.  Howard had 25 points on the night but took only 14 shots as Toronto did an excellent job of keeping him away from his favourite post-up spots.

Amir Johnson played a huge part in this two, blocking him on a couple of occasions and generally making life miserable for D12.  In fact four of Johnson's six fouls were against Dwight as the Raptors employed a bit of a hack-a-Dwight strategy at key points in the game.

It worked too.

Howard shot an abysmal 7 of 17 from the free-throw line and really was not the dominant factor that he should have been.

A big tip of the hat goes to Jay Triano on this.

I thought Jay did a masterful job working the rotations, even going small at times and when he saw that wasn't working, or that a player like Jarrett Jack was forcing the issue on offense, he switched things up.

Most impressive though was his use of the 2-3 zone knowing that the Orlando Magic were struggling from long-range so far this year.  The Magic came into the game shooting 33% from beyond the arc and Triano dared them to fire away.

Fire away they did, to the tune of 24 attempts, and while Orlando made half of them, 8 of these 12 were courtesy of Mickael Pietrus and outside of him, the Magic really struggled to knock down the long-ball.

Now, it's off to Miami where the Raptors face another tough opponent tonight, the Miami Heat.

The Heat of course are sporting a hardly-dominant 5 and 4 record and currently being buried under an avalanche of public scrutiny.  It's the way of the media but somewhat hilariously in the span of 3 weeks the team has gone from media darlings (outside of Cleveland and Toronto of course) to media trolls.

LeBron isn't doing enough, Wade is deferring to LeBron, Chris Bosh needs to be traded, the team has no point guard, the bench is too old, Pat Riley is going to take over as coach, the mascot isn't nearly as funny as he should be...and on and on.

The reality is the Heat's losses have come to Boston (twice) and two very tough teams in Utah and New Orleans.

They'll be fine folks, it's just going to take some time.

But that's why I'm a bit scared for tonight.

Miami is almost waiting for a team like Toronto to come along so they can lay the smack down, and the Raps are coming off last night's uber-high victory.

Uh oh.

That being said, last night's victory showed that regardless of talent disparity, this Toronto team plays hard, and when they do that, they've got a chance each and every game.

Therefore, here are our keys for tonight:

1)  48 Minutes.  This Heat team is going to be a much bigger challenge than the Magic because of two players; LeBron James and Dwyane Wade.  Unlike the Magic with a 50 year old Vince Carter, these two will have DeRozan and Weems on their toes all night and it's going to be a major challenge for them at the defensive end.

But this Heat team has shown that outside of these two, there's not a lot of firepower at times and that's why it's imperative that Toronto gets a complete team effort once more.

This includes you Mr. Bargnani.  Bargs was flat out great in the first half of last night's match, scoring at will, doing a decent job on D, and being aggressive against his doppelganger, Rashard Lewis.  He finished with a team-high 27 points but had 21 of those in the first half and really struggled in the second.  Put simply, the Raptors need him to start putting together complete performances and tonight he's got a great opportunity to do that as he'll likely be matched up against bigs like Joel Anthony, Jamaal Magloire and Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

2)  Big man play.  One way in which the Heat have been self-destructing lately is in the front-court.  Chris Bosh has been surprisingly bad, especially in terms of rebounding and defense (he's averaging an Andrea-esque 6 rebounds a game so far) and outside of Udonis Haslem, there's not a lot of grit and toughness.

Enter Reggie Evans and Joey Dorsey.

I'm hoping to see both of these guys get their fare share of time on Bosh as we know from past experience that Chris doesn't do the best with aggressive defence and rugged play down low.

As well, Amir Johnson's length and athleticism should give the Heat fits.  This is an area Toronto has to dominate if it wants a chance to win tonight.

3)  Point guard play.  Another big weakness to this uber-Heat team this year?  Point guard play.  Top PG's have been lambasting the Heat so far this season and I'm hoping to see that continue tonight.  Are Calderon and Jack in the same realm as the Paul's and Rondo's of the league?  Of course not.  But we're talking about match-ups against Carlos Arroyo and Mario Chalmers here.

The Raps need both to be at the top of their games and if last night was any indication, at least one of them should be ready to rock.  Jose Calderon turned in a very solid 10 point, 7 assist night and while he didn't shoot that well from the field, the ones he made were huge and yes, he even threw in some great D at the end of the game to steal Orlando's inbound pass and final chance at a win.

Jack wasn't terrible himself, but as mentioned, forced the issue at times and will definitely need to be better tonight if Toronto wants a second-straight W.

But let's return to the opening quote from Van Gundy for a second before we cap off this lengthy preview/recap affair.

For me, last night was a win because above everything, the right players played.

What I mean is that so far this season, we've been begging Triano to give guys like Weems, Wright and even Dorsey more run.  To us, not only are these guys the future possibly, but also are simply more statistically effective players than many of the folks that Triano keeps rolling out...folks like Barbosa, Andersen and Kleiza.

Wait.

Weren't those the three players who didn't see action last night?

Exactly.

Two of these three are also leading Toronto in terms of negative "wins produced" scores and for the Raps, with such a small margin of error considering the talent on the team, truly the best players need to be out there every night, not just the biggest names or highest contracts.

As well, last night's rotation just made sense in terms of roles.

"Bargs and DeRozan, you two are our primary offensive options going forward.  Sonny, you're a bit of a do-it-all and Julian, when you're in the game, you perform a similar role.  Jose, if Jack's not going, you're coming in.  Reggie...well, you just keep doing what you do."

That's what this team should be about going forward - eight guys, maybe nine, and no more of this hockey shift five in five out just to get our big names some minutes.  To Van Gundy's point, when guys know their roles and know when to expect to get in the game, the results usually manifest themselves on the court.

So for me the real question is "what does Jay do now?"

If Kleiza or Andersen (who was apparently puking at the border) are ready to go tonight, does Triano fall back into the same tired rotation?

Let's hope not.

Because while last night's win was incredible, it would be an equally big kick in the stomach to fans to reward that win with more of the same line-up that had this team on a pace to win 10 games.

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Injuries Save the Raptors

I said this to Howland and Ray the other night when we had our meeting, but the Raptors had to get injuries to play better.

Why?

Because Triano wouldn’t play guys like Julian Wright or Joey Dorsey in games like this without those injuries.

Fact of the matter is, the Raptors’ productivity throughout their lineup has a lot to do with the fact that the talent level is pretty much even throughout most of the lineup and that even extends right down to the end of the bench. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that the end of benchers can play just as well as some of the people they ended up replacing. However, it should go to show that the Raptors need to be playing certain guys more in at least a situational need. If the opposition has a muscle kind of center, you should probably play Dorsey instead of Andersen. If a team has a ton of athletes, you might need Julian Wright’s energy.

And heck, playing Weems and DeRozan together might actually be a good idea since it seems to be the only way to get Weems to start sharing the ball.

In the end, the injuries the Raptors have sustained have enabled them to really find out what they have on their team.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 13, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

At last guys

I thought for a moment nobody remembered how to comment a win….. I know it takes guts…. :)

by renato on Nov 13, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

lol. Relax… Franchise is still recovering from his fun nights :)

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 13, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Naaah…just took me about 3 hours to write it :)

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Nov 13, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Solid

Few more W’s like that and our low lottery pick is in jeopardy!
First thing that needs to be said is that Triano, 2-7 aside, has done a good job with this group. The odd lapse aside, the team plays hard.
All around good effort from the whole group.Definately a “good Sonny” night. Reading in the papers today, it is his first game winner.
Thats the Demar we need every night to be competitive. I think having starting him with Sonny was good for the team. With a healthy roster, I think it even makes our bench stronger.
Wright has definately earned the opportunity to play more. Let see what he does with it.
Not gonna worry about Bargnani’s 6 point 3nd half. SVG adjusted, he saw some doubles, didn’t take too many ill advised shots and his teammates made their shots. As per the rebounds, yeah it frustrates but I believe we have won the battle of the boards most nights.
The Heat? Well you know Bosh will want to go at Bargnani. Here’s hoping Andrea wants a piece of Bosh also.
Arroyo has killed us in the past.
I’ll have to catch it on GIAH as I will be at ACC hopefully watching Leafs wake up.

by Tinmann on Nov 13, 2010 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Triano

Can’t say I agree with you on this point. Triano played the right players last night, the players he shoul have been playing all along because injuries forced his hand.

by MAS11 on Nov 13, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

9 games in

Our team has played hard.
We are not the Spurs or Celtics, heck even the Magic-our rotations are not set in stone. Maybe this year he will follow through on working for your minutes.

by Tinmann on Nov 13, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s my entire basis for evaluating Triano this year: Does he play guys based on who has earned playing time? Or does he play guys based on politics and bullsh!t?

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 13, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Lesson learned

I think last year taught him a lesson.
I agree whole heartedly and the players I am watching are Bargnani and DeRozan. Could add the PG’s but think minutes will get split.

by Tinmann on Nov 13, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It cuts both ways

Neither Johnson nor Weems was very good to start the year. They’re earning their minutes now, and even before the injuries they were seeing increased time on the court.

When Bargnani had his crappiest game, he spent the fourth on the bench.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Nov 13, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

And we’re keeping it close. Keeping it close gives our guys experience and hard work is what we all want to see from this team. It’s just a shame that most of Toronto has tuned out.

But man, I can safely say that so far, the Raptors have at least tried to come back in every loss that they’ve had. That counts for something in my books.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 13, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Tuned out or been unable to tune in

I’m sorry but doling out games to Sportsnet One, on top of having some on TSN 2, is problematic. This Miami game will actually be the first game I’ve seen on television all year. Not like I can just be flipping through channels and stumble upon the game.
Not sure how many of you have had to resort to Internet feeds to get your fix, but a company can’t put up more barriers to the product, especially in a year like this when not much is expected, and be surprised that there’s a drop off. Really want to know what the ratings have been so far. Hopefully someone responsible for negotiating rights comes to their senses for next year and at least stipulates that the first month of games be readily available on one of the majors. Imagine home and season openers not being easy to find? Ridiculous.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 13, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

you are too good on Bosh still

Not just he grabs 6 boards, but he also scores about 10 points less per game than your truly Mr Bargnani. Actually he is so bad atm that I swear I heard DS swearing he would not give up Jose + Evans for him, unless they would not sweet the deal with a 1st……

by renato on Nov 13, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

I would lay off that

Bosh has been strongly criticized in the Miami media, talks off already trading him when rules allow. Calling for a banger like Boozer.
Funny I’ve watched the Heat a few times this season and to me their biggest issue will be Wade and Lebron playing together. Ego will intercede. That team is now Lebron’s, as it should be. Any question asking who is better Wade or Lebron need only watch the Heat play.
Bosh will never be that inside power presence but the Heat will adjust and Bosh will be a contributer. But his contract is now an albatross. 8 games in.

by Tinmann on Nov 13, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed…tough for Bosh to fit in when Wade and LeBron can’t decide on who’s going to hog the ball on the evening.

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by Adam Francis on Nov 13, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually jocking

never the less, the problem for Chris is how to fit in a system that does not revolve around him. This is a first for him. Now the question will be: is there a way to use Bosh that does not include giving him the ball down low and wait 15 secs untill he makes his mind up?
He could do that in TO (and that was a coach / management fault) he cannot do that in Miami

by renato on Nov 13, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So proud of the Raps taking this win. Gives them momentum to face a reeling Miami Heat team. CRUSH BOSH!!!!!!!!

by Jeffrey Thompson on Nov 13, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

No Anderson, No Barbosa, No Evans

This is what I would like to see soon. I am fine with showcasing Reggie and Barbosa for a couple more weeks.

Calderon/Jack 48 minutes
Bargnani 28 minutes/Keliza 20 minutes
Amir Johnson 25 minutes
Sonny Weems 30 minutes
Demar Derozan 30 minutes
Ed Davis 25 minutes
Joey Dorsey/Julian Wright 34 minutes (Anybody playing well could steal some of these minutes. Although I would like to see Andrea capped at 30. I have a feeling that he is not capable of playing hard for more thatn that)

by JumpShootersRUS on Nov 13, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

I am not sure ....

Barbosa needs any showcasing….

by renato on Nov 13, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Still love this idea...

As posted in a couple of other spots, I still think that this would be a very good trade for both teams.

Barbosa, Evans and Anderson for Kenyon Martin and Denver’s pick.

Denver is good. For now they are tyring to please Melo. This move would make them better and would not cost them much at all.

They have been the 5th worst rebounding team so far, getting outrebounded by 3.7 rpg – so a little Reggie couldn’t hurt. Barbosa could probably get heavy minutes at the 2 for them. Anderson is just filler that expires.

For the Raps it would clear up playing time for the guys they should want to see play and net a pick. They get a massive expiring. They would probably have to waive KMart because he would be a malcontent, but I would be totally fine with that.

by JumpShootersRUS on Nov 13, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

ill say this

If the heat some how…SOME HOW lose to the raps tonight you can bet there will be changes. I’ve watch a few of their games and they really don’t look good at all. Lebron has already complained in the media for playing too many minutes…you notice Riley taking A LOT of notes during the last game..well if they lose tonight I think its safe to say it’ll be eriks last game as the heats coach.

by sherwin316 on Nov 13, 2010 1:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Miami is Pissed

“Bargs and DeRozan, you two are our primary offensive options going forward. Sonny, you’re a bit of a do-it-all and Julian, when you’re in the game, you perform a similar role. Jose, if Jack’s not going, you’re coming in. Reggie…well, you just keep doing what you do.”

This is it, in a nutshell. Andrea & Demar need to combine for somewhere between 45 & 50 points (or more), if Raps hope to beat this Miami team. And I don’t care if Demar does it all in the 1st half and Bargs takes over the 2nd half, or vice versa. The order is irrelevant. Miami will adjust to whoever is the 1st half hero.
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As for the Chernobyl triplets, I’d imagine LeRise & LeWaddle will be pumped to put a real smack-down on Toronto. Bosh …. meh. Rap fans have to realize this, when it comes time to critique the game. As long as the effort & spirit is there, I’ll be happy. But on a back to back like this – Orlando one night, Miami the next – breakdowns will happen. Probably more than we’d like.
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Speaking of 4th Quarter “concerns”, and how some believe Bargs “let us down again”, I’d like to point out one particular play that sort of illustrates why Bargs was effective (with the exception of his shot – which is part & parcel to 40 minutes of playing time – conditioning is still an issue with him). The specific play is where Jack drives in towards the basket, while Andrea & Weems are at the perimeter. If you notice the Orlando players, they’re paying very close attention to Bargs, and giving Weems a lot of leeway. Maybe it’s because Sonny is not considered a threat from the 3 point line – who knows.
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Suffice to say, they gave him all kinds of room, and it wasn’t until he started his shot, that Howard made a vain attempt to block it. To me, it’s not what you do or don’t do, it’s what you create that’s more important. And for Weems, it allowed a clean shot. No different than Demar. As Orlando was focusing too much on AB, DeRozan was able to take advantage of that, and put up great numbers. As I have always hoped he could do. That’s what I call a team sport. Last year, the TOTAL focus was too often for Bosh. Now CB has a different type of focus.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 13, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Not to mention

that Andrea moves the ball quickly and quite well out of a double. I cannot say we have seen that when Chris was doubled in the previous years.

by renato on Nov 13, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog...

Great win last night. The Raps may not be the most talented team in the league, but as a long time suffering fan I am loving the way this team fights and competes each game. The record may not be that impressive, but they are giving themselves a chance to win just about every night. Gone are the 35-40 point blow outs of last year’s supposedly more talented team…

Learning to win doesn’t happen overnight. It is a process. The more tight games the Raps play the more they will learn about what it takes to win. Because of this and their difficult early schedule I did not expect many wins to start the season. But if they can continue to keep games close and not allow the losing to hurt their confidence I think they will start to win more games as the season progresses. If the team can show improvement as the season progresses then I think you have to consider that a success.

I think hitting that game winning 3 will be a huge confidence boost for Sonny. Hoping this will allow him to relax a bit and not force his game so much.

Derozan in attack mode is fantastic. Keep getting to the line and converting and I will soon be a believer.

Amir had a huge impact in only a few minutes. Loved the way he ran the floor and finished, protected the rim and did not mind the fouls on Dwight one bit.

Although Jose has played a little better of late he is still a shadow of his former self. I just don’t think he brings enough to such a crucial position. That being said, I wish Jack would stop turning the ball over so much. Get it together man. The job is yours for the taking.

Bargs has surprised me as I did not think he would be able to create his own shot as effectively as he has been able to so far. His offensive efficiency has been impressive. His game is flawed but he is the ultimate offensive specialist and perfectly suited as a 6th man coming off the bench for a contender. HE SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE THE ALL ROUND GAME THAT A YOUNG DEVELOPING TEAM LIKE THE RAPS CAN BUILD AROUND. THEREFORE, I THINK BC SHOULD EXTRACT MAXIMUM VALUE BY TRADING HIM AT THE DEADLINE TO A CONTENDER.

Thoughts?

by Tronix on Nov 13, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Not going to touch that. Bargs has his usefulness, but I’m still wait and see with him. He has shown some sparks here and there again this year, but like most of this team, no one has really smoothed out into consistency. That will come with time from continually playing hard.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 13, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Question: This is year 5 of Andrea's time in the league

SInce to everything there is a learning process, shoudn’t a Nr1 pick being given the chance to have the responsability Andrea is getting this year, on year one?

Also learning how to administer your energy if you have to play 38 min as the focal point is a learning process, and I do not think, Chris has been producing 24/10 since day one in the league.

So far, I believe you can count three lemon type of games from Andrea, otherwise he has been scoring 25+ points all the time, with a team that does not have any other “real threat”, meaning with teams focusing on him.

Tronix, counter example, if you think Andrea is not worht it starting on a contender, are you sure that for example, Orlando would not rather have him than Rashard Lewis?

by renato on Nov 13, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Bargs in years 6th through 10

Might actually live up to the status of Number 1 overall pick, and in the end if he has a Paul Pierce type career of sustained and consistent key contribution to an eventual championship calibre team then I’m fine with it. Imagine Blazers fans, with Roy now being diagnosed with an arthritic knee, facing the prospect of seeing a diminishing Roy from this point forward, max contract in hand, and the team’s path to the championship more difficult going forward with OKC emerging as a foil, not to mention the Lakers not looking to drop off any time soon.

Everything’s a tradeoff.

Bargs has been given an opportunity to take on the responsibilities of number on pick, NOW, so lets see what happens from hereon in. I’m looking at this as Year 1, of a hopefully championship contending team build. No need fussing over what was, trying to enjoy what is and hopeful of what might be.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 13, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Bargs as 6th man

His game is flawed but he is the ultimate offensive specialist and perfectly suited as a 6th man coming off the bench for a contender. HE SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE THE ALL ROUND GAME THAT A YOUNG DEVELOPING TEAM LIKE THE RAPS CAN BUILD AROUND.

Let me get this straight. You advocate Bargs as 6th man (on a Contender), but not for the Raps – who by the way, are not even remotely in the class of a Contender. As for a YOUNG DEVELOPING TEAM LIKE THE RAPS (please stop the shouting), Bargs just turned 25.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 13, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

I see Bargs as a specialist who would have maximum value as the final piece of the puzzle for a contender. He could possibly be an all star in that role. But Bargs just doesn’t have the all round game to build a team around.

As you astutely point out we are not even remotely in the class of a contender. We don’t need final pieces, we need building blocks. I think we should trade him at the dead line to a desparate contender. Get them to overpay with a mix of picks and/or prospects.

I’m not hating on Bargs, I just don’t think he is a good match for our team at this time.

by Tronix on Nov 13, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking for a huge game from Bargs tonight, whether matched up against Bosh, Haslem, or one of their corpse centres. Not a whole lot of useful defense on that front line.

by dhackett1565 on Nov 13, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Franchise, I agree with your points about the lineups but let’s not kid ourselves about the effectiveness of a Joey Dorsey or a Julian wright. We need to see what happens when the honeymoon period wears off. Can these guys accept their roles when they’re tired, hurting and are scouted by opposing teams?

Besides that, kleiza’s been playing hurt and should have a lot more to offer than we’ve seen. Anderson’s been productive and plays hard too. So these replacements aren’t going to be some huge upgrade night in night out.

by axl t on Nov 13, 2010 3:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

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