3 in the Key - Game-Day Preview vs The Cavaliers
The Raptors face the Raptors? In what seems like a bizarre turn of events, the Raptors face a Cleveland team sporting more than a little chunk of the Raptors 2008 roster. Vicious D previews tonight's game and talks a little bit about Bosh's villainous turn.
A quick digression.
Did you catch Chris Bosh's comments which The Star's Dave Feschuck turned into a piece yesterday?
To me, it's always been interesting to see Bosh implode his own good guy image upon itself. Over the course of his time in Toronto, he's always been a very down-to-earth, hard-working individual. Heck, it's been the marketing of the Raptors since day one that's helped lead us to believe that Bosh is a "new kind of star" compared to Vince Carter's selfish-laziness.
I've refrained from talking about Bosh over the summer largely because everyone else has laid in their two cents, but for me, it was just so interesting to watch Bosh sort of stumble into fame.
I mean, isn't it obvious to him that the multitude of cameras that are down in Miami aren't for him, but rather because of the event he created with his two more popular, and more talented brethren?
Heck, I'm sure he's watched the NBA TV Special on the Miami Three where everyone was so focused on the fact that it was LeBron vs Wade for their entire training camp.
Well, bon voyage. We'll see you in February.
However, in what may be one of the more bizarre twists I've seen in a while, the Raptors face a Cavaliers team tonight featuring Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, and possibly Joey Graham. It makes you feel a little for Cleveland's fans as they struggle to recover from LeBron's Exodus. Nevertheless, this is also the same team which managed to beat the high and mighty Boston Celtics in their first game, so the Raptors have to be a bit cautious.
Fortunately for the Dinos, the Cavs seem to be without the services of Anderson "Sideshow Bob" Varejao as he goes to be with his father during his father's surgery. (Here's hoping for the best for his father.)
In my mind though, there still isn't any time for the Raptors to be resting. With their Western swing rapidly approaching, the team will have little time to get their act together, which brings me to my three points for tonight's game.
1) Don't Shy Away From Bargnani - I know that this one point may stir a whole lot of controversy. In my mind though, the Raptors have to continually establish Bargnani on the inside of the Cavaliers. It's going to take time, but Bargnani has to be rewarded when he posts up. I'm not saying we need a Pavlovian reaction from our resident "franchise spokesperson", but getting Bargnani into a habit of getting down into the blocks can only help the Raptors.
And heck, the Cavs don't even have Anderson Varajao.
Yeah, there's no excuses here. This has to be done.
2) Aggression - It's probably just going to be a continuing theme for me, but these Raptors will only be successful if they play hard. If guys like Sonny Weems continue to dog it on the defensive end, his minutes need to go to people who will make the most of their time on the court. Give those minutes to a hungry Julian Wright. Amir Johnson not quite playing up to snuff? Give Solomon Alabi some minutes and experience. Jay Triano can't be afraid to give people the hook especially this early in the season because it's going to establish their accountability later on in the year.
We have to look for some consistency from players and getting our guys into good habits is essential for our team to get wins.
3) Beat the Teams You Can - While the Raptors were competitive against the Knicks, I expect them to come out and learn from their first outing and get this win. The Cavaliers are not going to be one of the top teams in the East and are a team that the Raptors should be perfectly able to handle with their current roster. Yes, the Cavs beat Boston in Cleveland, but Toronto should have no problems beating guys left over from their 2008 squad. As some readers have put it out there, our Raps have to establish their home court ASAP and get those "easier" wins at home where they can, otherwise this is going to be a very long year.
Overall though, I expect tonight's game to be an entertaining affair. It will be nice to see if Bargnani can carry over his work from the previous game, whether our second unit can recover their step, and if DeMar DeRozan can continue to get to the free throw line. Here's hoping we're seeing some good habits get established at the very least and a win on top of it.
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Do not worry "Vicious"
There is noone else on this team who can post up, so I do not expect any controversy
Sadly, you’re correct. Maybe Linas Kleiza — but that’s about it.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 29, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Too bad
Sorry you had to mention Bargnani as it just sets the stage for the usual flood of hate mail.
The Sideshow Bob reference was great.
I have noticed that a number of contributors have indicated they would like to see Wright get some floor time. Is he that bad that he’ll never get any minutes?
It could be like the Antoine Wright situation last season. To start the year AW didn’t get many minutes, but as the season went along he established himself as the team’s best wing defender and even started a few games in the last couple of months. I don’t know if JW can follow the same path this year because the guys ahead of him right now(Kleiza, DeRozan, Weems) are generally hard workers(unlike Turk last year). Right now, I think JW has to be looked at as a situation defender. It would have been nice to see if he could have slowed down Chandler in the last match when no one else was having success stopping him.
I think so too. I’m not sure what we have in Wright and Alabi. My question moving forward in a few weeks will be what is Triano’s purpose. Because at some point, we all know that David Andersen can do such and such…. But is he winning games? Should we be developing guys like Alabi and then Davis when he gets back after? When will we start questioning Weems’s ability to defend and attack the rim/get to the line?
But I’m giving it some time. For now, I think we have to be a little bit patient
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 29, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking it’s like the Wright situation too…I just hope it doesn’t take till Feb again to figure it out…
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by Adam Francis on Oct 29, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Some good points
Hey, Vicious D, props for all the recaps and previews you have been cranking out lately. You are doing some nice work.
I agree especially with your second point. Triano needs to set the tone in terms of effort and accountability. He did an ok job of that in pre-season(much better than last year) and he needs to carry that over to the real season. No one on this team has so much talent that they can’t be adequately replaced by another guy on the roster. If you bust your butt, like say Reggie or Jack last game, then you are going to see plenty of floor time. If not then you must be tired and in need of some time on the bench to rest. Simple as that.
Regarding Bargnani, I too want to see them establish him early in the post. It’s like a pitcher establishing his fastball and then as the game goes along working in some curves and breaking balls to throw the batters off. If Bargnani scores a few early baskets inside then the help starts to come and other guys get open. Obviously he’s no Hakeem, but he’s the best the Raptors have got at the moment, so might as well try to get as much as they can out of him.
I actually think that the Cavaliers are no worse than the Knicks, Indiana or that Raptors this year and I wouldn’t take this game for granted at all. They have some decent vets like Williams, Jamison and Varejao and they will be playing for pride this year. As great as LeBron might be you don’t win 60 games when the rest of the players are completely terrible.
Agree with your points on the Cavs
Not sure how the Raps got anointed better than the Cavs… If they adopt a “bunker mentality” (us against the world) they could be a surprise. They have legit defenders/rebounders (Varejou/hickson et al) and legit scorers (Mo Williams/Jameison and maybe even Booby Gibson – maybe). Further, I see them as a tough defensive team – unlike the Raps. I would not be at all surprised if they finished with a better record than the Raptors.
Another game to gauge where the Raptors sit in the Eastern Conference hierarchy
If you were optimistic about the Raptors’ chances this season, you could’ve predicted they’d wake up tomorrow morning with a 2-0 record.
Now?
I’m not so sure after watching the Knicks game and seeing the Cavs take apart Boston.
I’d put the Raps ahead of the Wizards in the East right now… but it’s hard to argue they will finish ahead of anyone else at the moment.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 29, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions
Tough to say with the Wizards – their second half could be great depending on Wall’s progress. Hope the Cavs end up with 30 or so wins – don’t want them stealing Harrison Barnes from us!
I wouldn’t be surprised by a 29th spot finish by the Raps (the Wolves are just awful), but also wouldn’t be surprised by a 22-25 spot. A lot of questions with this team.
by dhackett1565 on Oct 29, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh man, watched the Wiz last night and they were horrendus! Fair enough it was against the magic (they look real, real good coming out the gate) but they were awful. Even if Wall has an Iverson like rookie year, I can’t see how this team wins more than 30 games.
good coming out of what gate – they blowed hard from start to finish last night – raptors gave orlando a run for their money a couple times last year.
washington didnt have gilbert and other guy who got traded from dallas (cant remember his name)
I agree, 30 wins is where I expect them to end up – but that’ll be more than the Raps, so… yay.
by dhackett1565 on Oct 29, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I watched that Wizards game last night too and thought, wow, this team is worse than Toronto for sure!
At least without Arenas.
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by Adam Francis on Oct 29, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Won’t help them being in the Southeast either… It really is Gil coming back and Wall improving that is their only real light at the end of the tunnel.
by dhackett1565 on Oct 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wiz looked poor, but...
I sure didn’t like the look of the Wizards in their game against Orlando last night. That is probably not the last pounding they are going to receive this season.
Bosh asked: Why are some players so popular and others not?
Bosh responds: It’s all about being on tv (a cynical but true observation).
Toronto hears: I left Toronto so I could be on tv more.
-All of a sudden we’re taking Feschuk seriously? come on people.
Is it that?
Well. Look, I’m not saying that the entire article was great, but the thing is, Bosh’s focus lately has been about how he has become a household name. I just ask whether it’s really on his own merit and if he really has become “that guy”. I mean, heck, I expect that Haslem is now on TV a heckuva lot more as well, but is it because of who he is?
We all remember Bosh as being a self-promoted “geek” who made some funny youtube videos. Now he’s trying to be all hard-edged and serious. It’s all kinda amusing to me.
It’s not a cynical observation, just a very superficial one. Like I said, he could have gotten there too and Feschuck is correct in saying he could have done it from Canada had he been that much better and surrounded with better talent. But yes, now he’s in Miami and getting lots of attention because of who he signed with, not the geographical location.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 29, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a cynical observation, just a very superficial one. Like I said, he could have gotten there too and Feschuck is correct in saying he could have done it from Canada had he been that much better and surrounded with better talent.
First off, it is cynical if you put yourself in his shoes. He worked a lot harder than many who got more love simply by being on TV.
Secondly, why is it Bosh’s fault he’s not as talented as Lebron? Isn’t him leaving an admission of that?
I don’t know, I watched this guy compete from day one, often on a team that was lazy except him. I don’t argue points of fact about how skilled he is, but I remember every year he got better. I remember him re-signing and repping toronto and canada and being a good guy and coming out of his shell and growing into a man.
I refuse to jump on the “he’s a villain” bandwagon just because some media people need to sell papers and get web hits.
Great points axl t
While it irks me a bit that Bosh has been noticably more pro-active in his self promotion this summer – it goes against what/who I thought CB4 was and seemed a bit imature – I still don’t blame him for leaving Toronto (I would have left to play in Miami as well if the alternative was being forced to cary Bargnani and the rest of Colangelo’s mistakes for the next 6 years after competing with sub par rosters for the last 7).
Bottom line, some of the things he has said/done over the sumer have been less than tastefull, but direct slights against Toronto or the fan base? I think not. Futhermore, when he was here, he gave it his all and competed for 7 years while surrounded by laughable teammates. So I think we as a fan base need to grow up a little bit and stop taking things so personally or better yet, point our venom in the right direction – at the management team that has failed us consistantly as a fan base – which would be more productive.
+1
MLSE completely turned this thing around to make Bosh the bad guy (I will admit Bosh helped fuel the fire with his douchebaggery). In his 7 years here, their attempt to keep him was what? Signing Hedo in the last season? If the raptors were an organization that operated to win, then I think he may have stayed. When Vince was here the whole world know who he was, but a he also had a decent team around him. This pattern will continue, it’s part of the business. Jay Triano will be the golden boy until he’s let go, then all the news about how bad he was will come out. Propaganda, that’s it.
Some of bc’s moves were so perplexing, I wondered if he wanted him to leave so he could make bargs a star, Hedo is case in point. I admit that’s a stretch though.
LOL! A stretch...
But you can’t help wondering due to the ridiculousness of some of his moves…
Yeah, i don’t think it has to be a love or hate thing. I mean, it’s sports, so fans have a right to feel that way, it’s part of the fun. I mean, my dislike for VC kept me from being a Raptors fan before he even left.
Yes but while VC was here and dunking on the league most of the TO fanbase loved him, even though he didn’t go throught some radical change into an a**hole, he was always like that. But if he’s an a**hole on the right team its all good.
I hated VC as soon as I saw him “jump over” (not that he really cleared him, the guy had to duck) that guy at the Olympics. Disrespect to the game, that player, the olympics and how can that not be an offensive foul. Only a true d-bag would even think of that.
What??
While VC was king douchebag of douchebag island, I can’t agree with you on this. That was one of the most stupendous athletic plays in the history of basketball. Disrespect to the game of basketball? Really? C’mon…
I thought that dunk was pretty stupid myself
Seriously, it was the most overhyped dunk, ever! That is until D. Howard won the dunk contest by throwing the ball through the hoop.
Let me clarify then
I don’t really agree with what MLSE has said about his commitment and such. And maybe Bosh has been a little bit “too honest” at times
However, I don’t think Bosh’s assessments and subsequent damage control have been really… Good for his image? At the same time, I also think Bosh has been more of an after thought with the Media when they talk about “Miami”. I don’t think that’s just my own perception on things, but at the same time, I can’t blame Bosh if he’s OK with that… I mean, he can be a giant fish in a smaller pond, or a medium sized fish in a huge pond… Whatever makes him happy, but just taking from what he’s talked about in the past, I find it hard to believe he’s fine playing second fiddle.
But who knows. Time will tell. Right now, things are still in a honeymoon phase :)
And no, I will never question Bosh’s work with the Raptors. It was seven (or six and a half) years of hard work and commitment.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 29, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If he said that
I would be fine with it. And if he just stuck to that, it would speak volumes about his character. But he isn’t. He’s made the story something else.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 29, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He's always said that, from day one.
The media just likes to portray that that’s the disingenuous part and all the out of context, 140-characters-or-less crap is all that matters.
He gave an interview last fall for NBA.com where he was adamant that if he went anywhere, it would be to be the man, to be the guy to build around. I think what he says, even from day 1, has lost a little accountability.
by dhackett1565 on Oct 30, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
MUST WIN
If they can’t take teh Lebron-less and Varajeo-less Cavs, they may not win a game until mid-November!
Thanks for posting Ustation.
In this interview, Bosh explains the context of his comments and seems completely reasonable and rational to me. He states that like it or lump it, sometimes being on TV increases a player’s notoriety, which then translates into an over-evaluation of said player’s on court talent. Which unfortunately is absolutely true. Look no further than Hedo Turkaglu as the perfect example. He used the Magic’s deep playoff push (and resulting increased TV exposure) to dupe a feeble minded Colangelo into a 5 year $50+ Mil contract. So sorry if this offends you, but Bosh was just pointing out reality.
Also, interesting to note that Bosh emphasizes that he never said “US Network” TV, this was added in parenthesis by Feschuck, shrewedly no doubt, to inflame knee jerk reactions by hyper-sensitive Candian fans and commentators like Viscious D in this article. We as Canadian fans should actually be ticked off that Feschuck would purposely do this in an attempt to play on an Canadian fan’s emotions and well documented inferiority complexes in these matters. It ticks me off.
Finally, when asked why he left for Miami, Bosh states “to put myeself in the best position to win championships”. I have no problem with this as it wasn’t going to happen here with the talent BC was surrounding him with.
Feschuck
If you don’t take that guy’s writing with a grain of salt you are just asking for trouble. He is more of a spinmeister than an analyst. Some of the time he makes valid basketball observations, but most of his stuff is sensationalism for the sake of drawing attention. It seems to work. Look how much we have talked about him today.
Toronto Star writers...
… have jumped the shark.
They’re little more than glorified PR men for MLSE. Doug Smith is BY FAR the worst. But Feschuk seems to be doing his part as well.
What happened to real journalism? You’d think writing for one of the biggest daily newspapers in Canada would give you the balls to write something that comes from your own mind and doesn’t stink of a press release/corporate spin.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea
But The Star basketball writers are the worst at playing it up that they’re legit.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
In Smith's defense
I beleive he had a respectable career as an NBA point guard, so he does have some merit.
Real journalism, this is
Sportwriters often make their money making contentious statements and claims.
DS and Feschuk just do the old ‘he said, she said’ formula to perfection and it generates a lot of cash for torstar I bet.
You want fair and balanced, read fair and balanced writers. That’s why I like this site as a matter of fact.
I agree it’s always existed, however with the proliferation of instant media, and access it’s different. Look at all the “trade deals” over the summer that were reported as close that never got completed. It wasn’t nearly a prolific pre blog days.
Good point… also it’d be pointless to sue somebody who lives in their parent’s basement and has only a laptop, couch and big screen to call their assets.
I don’t even have a couch. I sit on the floor and my mom makes my meals.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 29, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
New Point Guard?
So I know it would be nice to unload Jose and his contract, which is tough to do if he’s a bench player with a starter salary but…
What if we did something like this…
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5720768 ?
I hear Stuckey is going to look for a better deal than signing an extension with the Pistons…
Stuckey can start for us… Jack can come off the bench for them…
Dorsey fits with the “Bad Boys” build… get Ben Wallace to mentor him…
Wilcox can help rest Reggie while Amir is fouling out…
Looks reasonable and helps both sides…

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