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Tip-In: Out of the Gates, New York beats Toronto 98-93

The Raptors will need team play to beat teams this year and almost came out with an opening day victory against New York.  Like most of pre-season, there was a mixed bag which was entertaining and heartbreaking.

Star-divide

Close, but no cigar.

The Raptors opened their season at the ACC yesterday, and it was an interesting game. 

We saw Andrea Bargnani become the spokesperson for the players.

We saw a lot of what we saw in pre-season.

We saw a new opening for the Raptors which may give 90% of their fans epileptic fits. (Thanks guys)

In thinking about the upcoming season, I talked about how tough it was going to be some nights to get through.  There will be nights when it'll be hard to be a Raptor fan because this group may get badly beaten, or the effort might not the be there. 

There were going to be nights when free throws and a lack of 3-pointers might do them in as well.

On opening night, we got a lot of that mixed bag. 

There were times when the Raptors played as a cohesive unit and got the crowd going. There were other times where the team was coughing up the basketball and let the Knicks score easy baskets in transition.

To start off, we had Andrea Bargnani coming out strong after giving the Raptors faithful a little speech.  Bargnani was firing from within the arc as a one-man offensive machine.  Perhaps feeling a need to put actions behind his words, Bargnani stayed inside and scored by doing what the Raptors have needed for him for the last three seasons.  Andrea also showed us a little defense in the first half with a couple blocks and taking a charge on Amare Stoudemire.  Soon after, the rest of the starting unit followed.

You also had a guy like Reggie Evans doing what he did best.  Rebounding, being a pest to Amare Stoudemire and getting his head into the Knicks, Evans showed that his pre-season work wasn't just an act.  He showed me that he can be a very important cog on a very good team.  Heck, if he continues like this, he's a guy that a team like the Heat probably could have used the other night.  It was hard not to have a huge smile on your face when you saw Reggie play, and when the chants started, I was tempted to start chanting his name too.

Such is the effect of Reggie.

Adding to opening night was Jarrett Jack who scored some timely baskets and doubled down effectively on Amare Stoudemire to force some turnovers.  Off of those turnovers, he created some good opportunities for his teammates.  DeMar DeRozan was a willing recipient of some of those opportunities.  Although DeRozan still shows that he needs to put in a lot more work on the defensive end, he has also shown that he's downright dangerous on the fast break, has some ability to back down his defender and can cut through a defense like a hot knife cutting through butter.  However, it was Linas Kleiza who once again proved to be the quiet assassin when the Raptors got set in the half court.  Kleiza was efficient from all over the court and you can see his usefulness inside of the paint in breaking down teams as he was often a much bigger opponent than his man was used to taking on. 

Surprisingly though, our second unit didn't seem to be able to find their legs for the entire game.  There were spurts where one or two players managed to make a marginal difference, but most of the time, their negative impact on the game wiped out whatever benefits they may have given.  Leandro Barbosa started off slow, but took off in the second half, showing that his wrist is of little concern right now.  While Calderon didn't really do that bad of a job on Raymond Felton, he just couldn't get his offense going.  On the other hand, Sonny Weems wasn't scoring last night and was still giving up baskets too easily to Wilson Chandler on the other end.  Amir Johnson was plagued with foul trouble and showed why he still belongs on a second unit, and even David Andersen seemed out of sync. 

As a whole though, the Raptors main problem is something that may become a concern as the season wears on.  It's only game one, so I'm not willing to ring out the alarm bells yet, but this Raptors team is going to have to be incredible disciplined to win games.  The Raptors have to work much harder than their opposition at getting leads or getting baskets. 

It's not about the lack of a star player.

No, my concern is 3-pointers.

By scoring seven threes to the Raptors' three, the Knicks placed a lot of pressure on the Raptors.  At one point, the Knicks had made six threes to none, meaning that the Raptors had to find some way to make up a difference of six points.

It wasn't as though the Knicks scored a particularly high percentage from beyond the arc either.  However, the Raptors needed to make up those additional points with their defense by causing the Knicks to cough up possessions, or getting offensive rebounds.  And while it wasn't the sole cause of yesterday's loss, it's going to be something I'll continue to look at as the year goes on.

While yesterday's game didn't come out  in the Raptors favour, Toronto was competitive despite having a second unit which seemed to completely disappear.  The Dinos continue to show that they will play with heart and determination, which is what we continue to want to see from this team moving forward.  Their schedule doesn't exactly start out easy and wins will be hard to come by as this team struggles to find consistency.

Nevertheless, the Raptors managed to fight New York down to a final 3-pointer.  While I can question the reasoning behind Kleiza's decision to go with a 3 so early in the clock in that final minute, the Raptors did manage to fight the Knicks down to a final possession.

It's just too bad things didn't go our way.

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disappointment

It was just sad to watch… Very poorly built game, all those selfish actions clearly driven to despair. Where was the coach??? Italian is a complete loser. Stupid, selfish and weak.
Calderon sees only SOME of the teammates, while people like Kleiza just waving hands on the three-point line… what the hell???

by majoras on Oct 28, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

whoa

Damn you need to calm down a bit, its only the first game of the season if your gonna be like that after one lose your gonna have a heart attack by within the next week lol

by sherwin316 on Oct 28, 2010 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Every win is important, especially when playing at home. So, if we fail to win against a team like the Knicks, there is no need to think about the playoffs. This terrible game was shown all pre-season and I just don’t see any big potential for what it could be improved. If you don’t even try to use the existing potentiality… maybe it’s better to “fight” for a first-round pick, since right now…?

by majoras on Oct 28, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Playoffs?? Who’s talking about Playoffs? Playoff!?! Playoffs??”

And you guys shouldn’t write about us being a playoff team and all that bullstuff—that’s malarkey. We ain’t good enough to beat those guys and it was proven out there today. It’s that simple. We’re not good enough yet. We’ve got a long way to go; we’ve got a lot of work to do; we’re close, and close don’t mean shit. And you can put that on TV for me. I’m tired of coming close, and we’re gonna work our asses off until we ain’t close anymore, and it may take some time; we’re gonna get it done; we aren’t in their—we aren’t good enough. They’re better than us—black and white, simple, fact!

“Could’ve, would’ve, should’ve” is the difference in what I’m talking about! The good teams don’t come in and say “Could’ve.” They get it done! All right? It’s that simple! I’m tired of saying “Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve.” That’s why we ain’t good enough yet! ‘Cause we’re saying “Could’ve” and they ain’t!

I’m pissed off right now. You bet your ass I am. I’m sick of coulda, woulda, shoulda, coming close, if only."

by Ustation on Oct 28, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the proper quote: “What’s that? Ah — Playoffs? Don’t talk about — playoffs?! You kidding me?! Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game! Another game!”

by Ustation on Oct 28, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Playoffs

Yeah…have to say that being there live last night made me think my 30 wins projection was a tad optimistic…as in +15 wins optimistic. They played hard, and I thought Bargs was outstanding offensively in the first half, but wow, just not a lot of talent, something I’m going to talk more about tomorrow.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this team can scare a few people and pull off an upset now and then, but they aren’t going anywhere near the playoffs.

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Saturday…just realized Vicious D is previewing the Cavs match ha ha.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey.. I’ve sunk a grand into over 28.. so I’m stuck. Still gotta believe a trade/signing is imminent. Or me just dreaming.

by Ustation on Oct 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus.. I said 1-1 for October.. so far I’m half right.

Plus.. I said 1-1 for October.. so far I’m half right.Let wait for November where I predicted 5-10. This place is gonna go nuts.

by Ustation on Oct 28, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Despair

hey.. I’ve sunk a grand into over 28

Call it blind faith, but I would be disappointed if we didn’t hit 29. It would mean most of our potential didn’t pan out, and our TPE + Expiring didn’t fetch some talent. Especially this year – with a lock-out potential – teams may want to shed funds so they can ride out the “Crisis”.

As for the bet, if things go right – just before the Trade deadline – and with the Raps at 20 wins (out of 58) – then over 28 should win. I really believe we should use the TPE/Expirings to build a foundation first. Find the talent, and without price bias. As for Luxury tax, I see it as a state we need to be in first, before we can snag/find that A-1 talent.
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Boston became Boston in one reasonably short time. And not to infer such a thing for Toronto, but for the Raps to get a notch up on the “future”, they have to swim against the crowd and spend. Even if it’s too much for our liking.
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There are 2 ways we can win a championship. One is to wait out a few drafts, and with good picks (care of crappy seasons), create something special. As a Toronto fan though, my perpetual life has been all that – too often.

The second way – if Tanenbaum needed a 2nd opinion – is to load up on a ton of overpaid contracts. Then move them in later years – as Expirings ……… for more overpaid contracts. The difference being, the latter contracts feature good players. Once a base is together, do what it takes to bring in the Star. If one isn’t found along the way.
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Either way, it’s all a wait.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Oct 28, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

better not to live than not to believe…
every time you play you play for a win, and expect to get to the playoffs. And I think Raptors can get there if only they use their full potential… I’m not happy today, becouse they couldn’t win against beatable team.

by majoras on Oct 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep! Would’ve been nice to see the win – but the disappointment went away quickly.

by dhackett1565 on Oct 28, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno I didn’t find the game entertaining at all. Especially that last play with Jack running around the court and chucking it to Barbosa for an air ball.

by PNUTZ on Oct 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not bad in terms of excitement if you were there live, but the first half was pretty rough for sure.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Franchise

Did you notice on one of the final plays, when kleiza missed a three pointer and Andrea was standing right underneath the basket and didn’t even jump or box out for an offensive rebound.
I know offensive rebounds are too much to ask considering he barely get defensive ones, but come on it was a 3 point attempt and he’s right under the basket, clueless seems appropriate.

by PNUTZ on Oct 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

There were a few of those moments late with Andrea…and notice how once the Knicks put the more athletic Chandler on him in the 2nd half, he was pretty limited on O too?

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Which makes you wonder how he will fare once teams start to realize that he can shut down pretty easily.

by PNUTZ on Oct 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bargnani will have no choice but to overcome those adjustments. Maybe he will succeed, maybe he won’t….

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bargnani ..... Excuses

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Thought the headline might grab attention. lol
After scoring 18 in the 1st half, New York got wise, and picked it up. Add 10 minutes to Bargs’ game, and the wheels weren’t there for more focused opposition. As Barbosa said, time will help certain issues from this game. Which, if I recall last year’s 1st game, Hedo was still working on getting his jock to warm up.
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We can bellyache about using the “too many new guys” excuse, but the truth is, it will take time to mesh these guys. An okay thing by me, as I prefer how this team is one that thinks like a team. And acts like one.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Oct 28, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Wow, you guys are hilarious lol. Watch it again and you will see the ball hit back iron and bounced 15 feet away? Are you really that shallow of a person you have to make things up?

You should be embarrassed by your post, unbelievably stupid!

by even flow on Oct 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes missed 3 pointers usually hit back iron and comeout a little bit further than closer shots. I’m not sure which part I made up? Was it the fact that he didn’t box out, or the fact that he didn’t jump, or the fact that he was in the wrong position to rebound a 3 point attempt? What does that have to do with being shallow? I’m actually more embarrassed with your post.

by PNUTZ on Oct 28, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I’m not sure which part I made up? Was it the fact that he didn’t box out”

Interesting… see technically you are right because he didn’t box anyone out, the catch of course being that there was no one to box out. Given the belief that you are not being deft this would be the part you are making up.

“or the fact that he didn’t jump”

He didn’t jump because he realized the ball was over his head, what sane basketball player would jump for a ball 18 feet over his head?

“or the fact that he was in the wrong position to rebound a 3 point attempt?”

When Kleiza shot his three, Andrea was the only player in the key (and i’m not lying, I’m watching it right now on my PVR), Andrea moved to the the half circle under the basket where he should have been. The ball literally hit back iron bounced 18 feet in the air out to the free throw line where Douglas grabbed it. He was in the correct position, sometimes it’s just the way the ball bounces.

“What does that have to do with being shallow?’

It’s shallow because you are not given reality the respect it deserves. If you’re going to complain at the very least have a legitimate example, don’t just make stuff up.

by even flow on Oct 28, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you have a link to this play so I can watch it again?
Boxing out is putting a body on the the closest guy, you are telling me that no one from the knicks was anywhere near andrea, and from what I remember the ball didn’t get rebounded at the free throw line. Maybe I need to watch it again.
I also think you need to look up the word shallow in the dictionary there Webster.
I dont think the term has anything to do with giving reality the repsect it deserves.
By your definition, you are shallow because you just made up a defintiion to a word.

by PNUTZ on Oct 29, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

PNUTZ, I jumped to the same conclusion that you did on that play, but sounds like evenflow has re-watched the clip a few times, so until we do the same we should probably defer to his interpretation of events.

by DW19 on Oct 29, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll agree but I remember at least one or two knicks in his vicinity and I beleive one of them ended up getting the rebound. I just couldn’t find the clip in any of the highlights, so my gun isn’t loaded.

by PNUTZ on Oct 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

rollercoaster game

That game had tons of ups and downs. Just when you thought the Raptors were dead they would make a comeback. Then when you thought they might take a lead and start bossing the game they would sag behind again. Topsy-turvy. They kept trying until the end which is the main thing that made the game palatable for me.

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow majoras

Step back man and regain some perspective.

by raptball on Oct 28, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

That's the way its goin to be

The Raps are going to struggle with inconsistancy all year. Imir really could not get on track last night but it will come. Some good things:

  • Reggie – we better hope he don’t get hurt
  • Andrea not bad for this early
  • Anderson was very effective in short minutes

I think I would star Barbossa and make Derozan take the start back

by raptball on Oct 28, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Andersen… Not really agreeing with that. He really had problems covering his man on the defensive side last night. Little things such as letting his guy get position under the basket, and he even had problems blocking out his guy.

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, Anderson is just too light… love how hard he plays though, pleasant surprise that way

by axl t on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

“I think I would star Barbossa and make Derozan take the start back”

No way. Judging by last night, the bench needs all the help it can get.

by dhackett1565 on Oct 28, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andersen reminds me of Garbajosa 1.0…not the most physically gifted guy, but he tries hard, and surprises you on O and D at times. He’s already a big win in my books compared to what I expected from him. I just wish Triano would use him a bit less in the line-ups where the team needs rebounding help or D.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see him having Garbajosa’s savvy, but he does seem to have a bit of toughness and hustle to go along with a decent looking shot.

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hence the 1.0…he’s got more savvy than I thought he’d have, but no, he’s no Garbs.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

Maybe .25.
He’s a prototype… Not even enough to be a part of Garbo’s shadow

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 28, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

alpha…. Heck, maybe even Pseudo code…

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 29, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Back of the napkin sketch perhaps?

by dhackett1565 on Oct 29, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll go with that :)

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 29, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha. No, what he’s doing now is perfect. Imagine if he goes up and gets fouled…

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with Vicious D. I would like to see 81 carbon copies of last night’s game out of Reggie.

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please, dear god, no.

A Reggie Evans shot, no matter where it comes from on the court or who is on the court with him, is at all times the worst possible offensive decision this team can make. Resetting the offense is the best thing he can do, and I hope he keeps it up.

by RaptorsAddict on Oct 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the defensive strategy right up until the end, when Amare was putting the game away for the knicks, they should have switched Bargnani onto him instead of Reggie, just because of the height and barg’s man to man is pretty good lately.

I was surprised so much of the offense was facilitated by bargnani, I thought kleiza was going to step in and be that top of the key, distributer big.

Overall, have to like the effort. And replacing bosh’s 24 points and 9 rebounds is not a problem… now we need to replace barg’s 12 points, unfortunately reggie’s not going to get it done.

by axl t on Oct 28, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought Reggie played as good a defensive game as you can ask against Amare. He really got into him and helped force him into NINE turnovers.

by MAS11 on Oct 28, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, he really did, but just at the end, like last 4 minutes Amare had figured him out, was not looking to pass and was easily shooting over top of Reggie. I think throwing Bargs on him might have given him a different look, plus with Barg’s height, he can disrupt the shot a bit where reggie’s just not getting up there.

by axl t on Oct 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya you make a fair point. Amare did really figure things out down the stretch and produce… Unlike Bargnani, who was 4 of 14 after the first quarter (I know, I know, I couldn’t resist that dig lol).

by MAS11 on Oct 28, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Reggie started picking up fouls in the 4th quarter and got his 5th foul with a bit too much time left in the game for him to continue his aggressive defense(plus I think he was running out of steam).

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reggie

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Evans is a 19.2 minute career average (over 8 years). Last night was 33 minutes.
Normally, I’d say that was not a good move on Jay’s part, keeping Reggie in the game so long. Unfortunately, until Amir steps up, and Davis returns, Front Court is weak. That’s why the 2 & 3 have to step it up, with emphasis on SG.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Oct 28, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Amir continues to have trouble, then Davis coming back will really help Reggie keep his minutes down and his effectiveness up.

by dhackett1565 on Oct 29, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amare and Reggie

I thought Reggie did an excellent job, really all he could. Amar’e is so quick for someone that size so while Reggie was staying with him and guiding him to the middle, the help (Bargs) wasn’t there enough to cut him off or alter the shot.

That being said, I would have switched Andrea onto him too because he did a good job individually all night.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

No dunks for bargs as far as I can remember … he was trying in the second half, but the guy’s got to go a little harder when he takes it the rim.

by axl t on Oct 28, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Random comments

- This is a step in the right direction for Bargnani, but he needs to get to the point where he can play a full game without losing his legs in the second half. He started well, but in the second half he needed to simplify his game and go strong to the basket because those finesse moves to work when you are tired.

- Reggie was over-exetended last night. He was great for the first 3/4 of the game, but if Amir had been able to play 20 mins instead of 12 then I don’t think we would have seen Amare going off the way he did down the stretch.

- DeRozan is coming along, but he still has a long way to go. Great to see him getting to the line. Certainly his game now vs. how it was at the start of last season is a big improvement.

- Barbosa was great for a while, but they kept feeding him the ball after he had lost his rhythm.

- Next time they play the Knicks, if Chandler starts heating up I would like to see Wright come off the bench to try and cool him down. I think he is the best defender the Raps have against a guy like that(and if you are not going to use him in these sorts of situations then why keep him on the roster).

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

More random comments

-The main thing that stuck out last night was just what Vicious D noted in the recap, the Raptors are just very low on talent. We all knew this of course, but wow, last night being there live made it painfully obvious to me. You could really tell when a guy like Barbosa was out there, he just could do things with his quickness etc that no one else could.

And you could see this in the finer points of the game. Jose would poke a ball loose, but wouldn’t be quick or strong enough to corral the ball and take off with it. One of the Knicks would immediately get it back and reset the offence. Or David Andersen would beat his man on offense, and get to the rim, but his defender would be quick and athletic enough to recover and get the block.

Just little things like that that really add up over the course of the game.

-Jack is going to need to do a lot of scoring. This team’s offense gets really stagnant at times without a low post presence. Bargs was doing a great job in the first half being aggressive but when he’s not down low, things just sorta stall, and Jack needs to go 1 on 5. You can’t do that all game long and it showed late in the match.

-Amir Johnson needs to play a lot better. As one reader noted, Reggie can’t be as effective playing so many minutes each night. He’s not a shot-blocker either, so it would really help if Amir could stay out of foul trouble to act as the deadly help and weak-side defender this team needs.

-All in all I thought the Raps played very hard, but they’re simply trumped in talent. And seriously, the Knicks at this pace are not a playoff team in my books, so it’s going to be a GRIND of a year. But hey, provided the club develops guys like DeRozan, Davis and Weems and plays hard every night…that’s really all we can ask for considering the mess Bryan Colangelo left fans with.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

hard, but not always smart

There were a few times when the Raptors managed to reel the Knicks in and then proceeded to take dumb shots and fall behind again. Shot selection is a big key to offensive efficiency when you don’t have a lot of talent. As the season goes along the coaches need to hone the team’s playbook with options and counters. When a team doubles Bargnani down low then the set adjusts so that Barbosa or Kleiza has an open three available and so on. This will of course take time to perfect and will require constant rejigging to stay one step ahead of the opposing defensive sets.

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chandler

I’m not sure if was Triano or Barg’s fault, but c’mon if he’s torching us on one end, we gotta exploit him on the other end. The ball should have went to Bargs in the post every possession, until Dantoni made a change.

by lambo on Oct 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

As I mentioned above, I think Wright is that guy you could use to shut Chandler down. He has the height and athleticism to do the job. Maybe we’ll see that next time these clubs meet.

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same old Bargs

At the end of the game, he’s got a great fantasy line of 22 and 6… but then you realize 18 of those points came in the first half, he took 21 shots to reach 22 points, and he really provided nothing down the stretch.

And shall we examine the fact that he had zero assists in over 35 minutes while missing 13 shots? Clearly, he would rather chuck an ill advised shot than pass to a teammate.

/rant clearly rooted in a personal agenda

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 28, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

"/rant clearly rooted in a personal agenda"

You don’t get credit for how funny your sh*t is…

by Mikthaniel on Oct 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same old DS

“I will make use of facts in such way to prove to myself I was always right about Andrea, even if I have to make shit up and look like an idiot doing it”

If you think what you saw last night from Andrea was more of the same than, yes, you clearly have not let go of your personal agenda, grow up.

His team mates shot 38% from the field. Perhaps if they could hit a shot he would have add some numbers in the assist column, who knows? But out of curiosity can you let us know what Ill advised shots he took?

Thought not. The fact your bitching about this on the very first game of the year shows how utterly pathetic you are.

by even flow on Oct 28, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well since you asked...

I can think of at least three totally weak, stretched out (horizontally, therefore negating his height advantage) “finesse” shots he tried that got easily blocked for turnovers…

He posted up more than once on a defender 6 inches shorter than him and rushed off balance fadeaways… Even the commentators noted that Demar’s game on the block was more assertive, aggressive and productive and hopefully Bargnani can try some moves more like that…

But yes, he did also knock down some turn around jumpers, it’s one of his favourite shots, but he still looks like a mamby-pamby girlie man out there, same as usual…

Now, I remember a frail scared 7 footer we had in the past named, oh, Marcus Camby who worked hard and became a very valuable asset and an NBA all-star…

So, continue your man-love for Andrea and maybe he works out in the end…

We all hope he does change, which is D-Stance’s point, he COULD have a great future if he accepts that he needs to change…

by Mikthaniel on Oct 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think D-Stance’s point(and some others) is that they hate Bargnani and want him off the team. They continue preaching the gospel, presumably in the hope of converting the rest of us to their cause. Of course the only one that needs to be convinced is Colangelo, but there you go.

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Gospel is that Bargs took 21 shots and finished with 22 points, yet he is not supposed to be criticized, because no one else could score that much with that many shots.

by PNUTZ on Oct 28, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bargnani took 12 shots to generate his first 18 points(ie in the first half). That is some highly efficient play. In the second half, either he didn’t have the touch any more or the Knicks found a more effective way to defend him, but he took 9 more shots and only scored 4 points in the half. Clearly he should have quit while he was ahead. The marginal gain in those additional 9 shots was very little.

Adding a little context we see that other Raptors had the following shooting success:
Jack 16 points on 15 shots
Barbosa 13 points on 16 shots
Kleiza 13 points on 12 shots
Weems 6 points on 6 shots
Calderon 4 points on 8 shots

Not a very auspicious night for Raptors’ shooters indeed!

by DW19 on Oct 28, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I noted earlier, I didn’t think Bargs was that bad. He was aggressive, hit shots in the first half, and I thought his individual D was pretty good.

I just don’t expect much more from him, so I’m not really going to criticize a performance that I think is all we should expect. We’ve been through the stats a billion times; he’s not a good facilitator or efficient scorer, those are facts. So his game last night was what I expect to see all season.

I actually watched ONLY Andrea when I was there last night for large stretches and a few notes:

Defense:

-On D in help situations, a lot of the time, he loses sight of the ball. You’re always taught in basketball to keep your body and line of sight essentially, between the ball and your man whenever possible. Andrea does this most of the time, but in situations where he’s outside of the paint, he tends to get caught up in denying his man, and not watching cutters who have or are about to receive the ball.

That’s fine as a wing, but as the center, he needs to be the last line of defense a lot of the time. Instead, he doesn’t see it or react in time, and once an Amare or Felton gets by their individual defender, there’s nothing between them and the basket, something we saw a lot last night.

Offence:

-On offence I thought he did a nice job mixing up his shots all night. The thing is, a lot of his baskets early were a bit awkward even when they went down. Take a look at his footwork on drives or even mid-range jump-shots where he needs to plant; I was surprised some went in and figured some of the same type shots therefore wouldn’t in the second half, and that’s what happened, things evened out.

I’d like to see him play like that on O every night, regardless of the second-half issues. But really, the onus is on his teammates to keep looking for him and for others to help open the game up for his skill set.

That goes back to Triano too. Really, this is a team without much individual star power so it’s essential that everyone’s best attributes are maximized.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is this guy?

Pathetic? Stupid? What’s wrong with you?

by PNUTZ on Oct 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

awww its only game 1and the words are coming out…what i think bout all this..bargs played pretty good he did seem to run out of gas just alil bit in the second half jay even said he thought bargs looked a bit winded hes just gonna have to pace himself better during the game so that it wont happen. julian would have been a perfect matchup against chandler with his size, barbosa man he can light it up in a hurry cant imagine what is gonna happen if he has to have that wrist taken care off the bench will stuggle to score..both amir and weems have to play better cause last night they really didnt play well at all. its gonna be a long season people.

by sherwin316 on Oct 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

My language was harsh and I do apologize to you and DS for that. However I will not apologize for criticizing either of you for your failure to give respect where respect is due. You made stuff up and got called out for it.

In regards to DS, he is what he is and knowingly writes stuff to get a reaction, I don’t have any ill will towards the guy but will call him out if I think he is writing from a PA position.

*By the way DS, I think you have the best moniker on the board

by even flow on Oct 28, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy Ivy Over

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Bargs should’ve scored 30 points. We could’ve won that game ….. wtf-iwwh.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Oct 28, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lost all respect for BOSH

I thought Bosh was a stand-up guy when he was here (for the most part). Had his head on his shoulders, didn’t sucumb to the millions of dollars and fame thrown at him.

Guess I was wrong:
"Really, it’s all about being on TV at the end of the day," Bosh said. "Seriously. A guy can average 20 (points) and 10 (rebounds), and nobody really cares. If you don’t see it (on U.S. national TV), then it doesn’t really happen."

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69810/20101028/bosh_claims_being_on_tv_is_his_bottom_line/#ixzz13g1MSOXb

by Nicholas_V on Oct 28, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It's a bit old

He made these comments a while ago and The Star already (well Feschuck) broke it down.

Me, I don’t care. Bosh will continue to make me shake my head for how he built up this image up here and has spent a record small amount of time tearing it all down. Good job Bosh! :)

Oh BTW, anyone catch that NBA special about the big three in Miami? Funny how everyone talked about putting Wade and LeBron on different teams and having them battle against each other in training camp… Funny how that’s all they seemed to focus on in their special.

Lovely stuff :)

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 28, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bosh will continue to make me shake my head for how he built up this image up here and has spent a record small amount of time tearing it all down.

He’s just following LeBron’s lead!

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 28, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I musta missed that article by the Star.

Ya, I saw a bit of that special. I saw a plethora of other interviews with the “big 3”, and noticed that the only air time Bosh got was the camera catching the corner of his leg, while Wade and Bron took up the screen. lol. It gave me the warm and fuzzies.

by Nicholas_V on Oct 28, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

jose on bosh

did you guys hear the comment or lack there of on bosh from jose? i thought it was pretty cool when a reporter asked jose bout bosh and jose said “who”? he aint here no more hes in miami. i liked it enough bout bosh hes gone.

by sherwin316 on Oct 28, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah – loved it. Whole team needs more of that attitude going forward…at times last night the team looked a bit like they were waiting for Bosh to make a move and create their offense for them still.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 28, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Toronto’s a great place, a fantastic city. It’s a metropolitan area, but you could tell you’re somewhere different. You could feel it, you could look at it, you can smell it. Everything. All your senses tell you you’re somewhere different.”

Yeah it’s called less crime, and the stench of poverty is not the same as big Ameircan metropolitan areas. I was at the Heat vs Celtic playoff games last year in Miami, and just go one block north of the arena and you literally had to step over homeless bodies spread across the sidewalks to get to the parking lot. And I’m not talking one or two bodies, but a couple of dozen. Crazy.

by Ustation on Oct 28, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically Jack had 5 steals...

… they only credit him with 3 but twice he was the one to strip the ball, it just ended up in a teammates hands… should still be his steals… IMO…

by Mikthaniel on Oct 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

shouldn’t barbosa,kleiza,jack and bargs shoot more 3s

by raptors_run_the_show on Oct 28, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

When I heard reports of Chandler going off in the fourth

I immediately thought about Julian Wright and wondered if he had been assigned to Chandler to maybe negate his production, but hearing that he wasn’t used was disappointing and only reaffirms that Triano might still be too stubborn to squeeze every possible win out of this team. You see Amir struggle and you wonder if the decision had been made at the beginning of the preseason to play Amir in the starting line up whether we’d be seeing more out of him at this point. Getting Evans to play as he has is nice but what’s the long term point of doing that? Either he’s taking time away from players who will eventually show to be more talented or he’s contributing a few extra wins to a total that will only limit chances at getting better talent through the draft.

If a team wants to build momentum that carries them beyond people’s expectations, early in the season is the best time to steal wins, especially when the perception is that this team isn’t as talented as its opponents. But I’m not sure I get the whole – “they’re lacking in talent” argument. Outside of point guard, where are they significantly lacking “talent”, if the running argument has been that the likes of Weems, DeRozan, Johnson, and Davis are building blocks? Is it talent or experience? DeMar doesn’t wow me but I don’t think that his draft class will prove particularly special beyond maybe one or two players.

My argument for years about this team has not been that they lack talent, it’s that the talent is often wasted or so poorly used/developed that nothing is realized from the potential.

Bargnani’s growth has been hindered by an organization showing a great deal of indecisiveness in the area of player development. But I’m not going to stump on that issue.

Do you folks not think that the Raptors fanbase are being done a great disservice by placing the season opener on a digital channel instead of the main TSN or Sportsnet Channels? I mean it was the season opener and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the lowest rated season opener in franchise history. I mean, WTF, show me some games on the main dial. I’m actually surprised that MLSE doesn’t stipulate that in any TV contract the season opener has to be on the main network of a broadcaster. Ridiculous. A great job of killing casual interest in your own property.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Oct 28, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

No Varejao for the next game...

… unfortunate circumstance, his dad is having heart surgery, but it will definitely help that he’s not gonna play tonight

by Mikthaniel on Oct 29, 2010 2:32 AM EDT reply actions  

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