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Tip-In: In Rhythm, Raptors Beat the Suns 121-100

The Raptors went out on a Sunday and beat the Suns to show that against some of the smaller teams in the NBA, they may have an advantage.  With the entire team getting it done together, Vicious D looks at how when things are clicking, the Raptors can be quite excellent.

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So how about that.

In two pre-season games, the Raptors showed that they may have found a fairly good team that they may be able to beat pretty consistently.  Our Dinos managed to push around the Suns after they got into a rhythm, and despite having trouble for most of the first half, the Raptors managed to take control in the third and never let go.

The brightest spots in the day, were that we finally got some good games from both Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani.  While Jose's defense was still nothing the write home about, he managed to knock down some shots consistently in displaying a silky smooth touch and managed to lead the team in assists. 

Bargnani as well finally got into a great shooting rhythm on the inside, which really helped him knock shots down all over the floor.  In general though, I thought Bargnani could have scored a heck of a lot more in the first quarter, but despite having the hot hand, no one was feeding him the ball.  And yes, while Bargnani has had some tough games, he can catch fire in such a big way that I would have forced the team to have him touch the ball at least once a play in the first quarter.  On the other side, Bargnani also did do a serviceable job on the defensive end with a couple shot alterations, which is just about all you need from him at this point.

Now granted, the Suns don't exactly have the same powerhouse front court that the Celtics might have, but that goes to show that the Raptors will have a pretty good time against those teams with average front courts.  Against the Suns, the Raptors bigs were playing large and aggressive and even managed to get on the offensive glass.  With guys like Amir Johnson (thanks Raptors TV for the laughs by calling him "Impressive Johnson") around the basket for put backs and Reggie Evans finally getting the idea to dribble the ball out of traffic on offensive rebounds, the Raptors managed to take apart the Suns from rebounding first.  Even our small forwards provided some assistance as both Linas Kleiza and Sonny Weems contributed to the Raptors being +19 in the rebounding category.

And with Jarrett Jack being his usually efficient self, and Linas Kleiza once again finding a way to score from just about everywhere on the court including some quick post moves, the Raptors just took the lead from the Suns in the third and never gave it back.

So as a fan, can I be completely satisfied with this win?

I think so, but there are a couple asterisks. 

First of all, the fact that the Raptors had a tough time getting into a rhythm in the first half could be largely attributable to the horrible pick and roll defense the Raptors were displaying.  On several plays, Bargnani was helping to cover a guy like Steve Nash after our own point guard was beaten, but no one rotated over to cover his man who usually was open for an uncontested dunk or layup.  I don't really have a doubt in my mind that PJ Carlisemo's scheme does not include leaving guys to roll under the basket for an easy two. 

Second of all, I'm starting to grow concerned about Sonny Weems and his ability to mature beyond that of a player who is constantly trying to prove that he "belongs" on the team. 

I know that it may be hard to quantify, especially since Sonny seems to be shooting at a fairly good clip and gives the Raptors some much needed athleticism and firepower off the bench.  However, I also believe that players who are confident about their position on a team have no qualms about giving up a shot to give a teammate a better shot and they will also take what the opposing offense gives them rather than trying to force the issue at every turn.  While DeMar DeRozan displayed a little of this today, I worry most about Weems because of how often it's appearing that he's too concentrated on getting a certain point total next to his name rather than working on other issues and aspects of his game such as his defense and his rotations.  And unlike DeRozan, Weems is now in his third year with an NBA team and I believe that we should expect a lot more confidence about his place in the NBA considering how much playing time the Raptors should allot him during the season. 

Now I'm not saying that these are breaking points and that yesterday's effort was disappointing.  Far from it.  The team as a whole seemed to look quite in sync.  However, there are points where the Raptors can improve themselves and I'd like to see these two aspects cleaned up. 

Nevertheless, I'll be smiling about this win as it was one filled with some good energy and the Raptors are now proving quite dangerous against those teams with middle-of-the-road bigs, which may be a good sign of things to come.  Here's hoping that the Raptors continue to build on the lessons they learned yesterday and continue to show signs that they are rounding into seasonal form.

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weems

at times last season, the choice of a lineup was inexplicable (playing DD, not playing AJ, keep trucking Turkey out there instead of riding the bench, etc etc). It was almost as if we had Gaston coaching the Raps instead of the Jays!

Perhaps it is this ambiguity, rather than Weems’ insecurity, that is driving his shot selection? That if JT were more consistent in punishment/reward for minutes, the players would know how to respond?

Side note: wonder how much Suns fans like Turkey now, eh? 5 points – woo-hoo!

by Gerry71 on Oct 18, 2010 7:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I am sorry did you just dis the greatest manager in Blue Jay history?Really? Two world series and 2 years of over .500 ball weren’t enough for you?

Comment on the Side note: What is the over/under on the GM not getting fired quicker than Babcock? How many games does he last if HST plays like this all season for them? 40?

Solely blaming JT for the distribution of minutes may (MAY) be a little unfair. We all saw what happened to the previous coach(es) who didn’t play people the GM wanted them to play. JT is in a difficult spot here as he does need to reward good play over people half-assing it but he also has to keep his GM happy or he will be out of a job and I am not sure I see a lot of teams lining up to hire him even as an assistant let alone as a head coach. Maybe BC has told him to play who he wants and JT just likes what he is doing but even if BC did green light him JT knows that BC would prefer certain minutes to certain players and if the season is rocky and he doesn’t do what BC would like he will be gone.

by McGateway on Oct 18, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gaston

follow the Jays like I do. Read the game posts of bloggers after games like this one:

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/ and you will see that the angst I observe in my post is common among Jays fans. example: http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2010/9/14/1688532/taking-the-good-with-the-bad-with

The glory years were 15 years ago. This year was nice, but there were concerns about the use of players (Overbay, Hill, Lind – who were having terrible seasons, Tallet) who were used instead of giving the new guys (Snider, Arencibia) more rope. For example, some observed that CG seemed to play Arencibia against only Cy Young contenders and winners, using Buck against all the rest.

by Gerry71 on Oct 18, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

It has also been argued that

a monkey could have managed the 92-93 Jays to a world series with the team they had.

by PNUTZ on Oct 18, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

and BTW, I said, AT TIMES last season. Criticism is always possible – no one’s perfect.

minutes – well, whoever is responsible for the lineups, my point is the same: the at times (see I said it again) inconsistent distribution could be responsible.

Are you solely blaming Weems for his shot selection as being insecure? Is it possible that more than one factor could be influencing at the same time?

by Gerry71 on Oct 18, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

That kinda sucks

While I do agree that BC probably has told his coaches to make sure certain guys get burn, In a perfect world the GM should have no business doing this.
You would think that solely blaming the coach for distribution of minutes is reasonable.

by PNUTZ on Oct 18, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

But I highly doubt that he had that kind of mandate on Weems. Weems is a guy who I think doesn’t get what this team needs from him right now, and that worries me as far as his growth is concerned.

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 18, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Hedo was bad eh? He just doesn’t look like he cares at all…even LESS than he did with Toronto.

I didn’t think that was possible.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 18, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

evans

and BTW, as I didn’t see the game: was Evans as efficient as his line shows? He was limited on the O side, no surprise, but grabbed 12 rebounds.Tied for the most FTs too, which helps on the D side (less aggressive once you get up there in fouls). Isn’t this exactly what we were wanting from this guy?

by Gerry71 on Oct 18, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, he really got into it, and more importantly, didn’t force it when the shot wasn’t there. It was quite a turn around and we need more of that from him.

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 18, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Evans

Going to talk at length about him tomorrow. He’s suddenly a HUGE key to this team’s success in my opinion.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 18, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he continues to rebound and immediately gets rid of the ball, I think he can be effective. The very poor man’s Dennis Rodman.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 18, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t he a HUGE key to last seasons team? At one point I thought we had gotten god on this team. :P

by Ustation on Oct 18, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Naw – I heard He took his talents to south beach too…

by dhackett1565 on Oct 19, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also meant to ask if the HQ is going to do a piece on possible trading partners for Calderon? I mean we all know moving him is key so it would interesting to see who everyone thinks is a realistic team to target moving him too and then look at what we could realistically get back (right now I think our best chance might be Memphis, if Conley continues to be mediocre, they will have to make a move because they believe they can make the playoffs).

by McGateway on Oct 18, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d imagine Franchise has something on the backburner

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 18, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep – started the post and stopped it twice this summer because of trade rumours, then his injury etc. I’ll re-examine for sure.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 18, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I finally read the coaching rankings and I find it funny no one mentioned that Triano’s ranking of 25 is actually a 2nd worst ranking. Because the article automatically put the 4 first time head coaches at the bottom of the list Triano is actually considered the 2nd worst coach in the NBA. It is times like these I am happy to be a Raptors fan.

P.S. – before anyone starts throwing up on me, I do not think he is as bad as that but he needs get this team playing every night (something he has failed to do in the preseason) before we can truly decide whether he is NBA caliber or not.

by McGateway on Oct 18, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think there is much else to say about the coach rankings other than they are far from definitive.

by DW19 on Oct 18, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Positive

The Raps defence actually didn’t look half bad in the part of the game I caught.

by PNUTZ on Oct 18, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

It was pretty solid – and the rebounding intensity was a sight for sore eyes.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 18, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

hedo will struggle with the suns

I just don’t think hedo will have a good year with the suns..what made him a good player in Orlando was he ran the point and made plays..watching the 2 games he almost never touches the ball..its either in nashs hands (as it should be) or in dragic..I don’t remember seeing hedo barley even touch the ball..its only a matter of time before he starts complaining bout not being used problably. Makes you wonder why the suns even brought him in there for if their not gonna use him to his strengths? BC should get GM of the year just for not only moving that contract but look at what barbosa has been doing so far.

by sherwin316 on Oct 18, 2010 8:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Not really sure, and they want to play him at PF as well… Guys like Bargnani will abuse the hell out of him as he is horrible at post defense… All the more reason why the Raptors should have fed the Bargnani fire constantly.

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 18, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel another “Ball” comment coming on US national TV. Good times.

by McGateway on Oct 18, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

When the Suns acquired Hedo, one of the Phoenix bloggers at “Bright Side of the Sun” asked me for my take on things. He thought that the change of scenery would rejuvenate Hedo but I didn’t think so.

Why?

Because to your point sherwin316, it’s the same situation as Toronto, only worse to a certain extent. Hedo needs to have the ball in his hands to be effective and in Phoenix just like Toronto, he’s playing with a premier pass-first PG. Only with the Suns, he’s arguably playing with THE premier past-first PG.

He’s just not a good enough shooter, slasher or rebounder to have a major impact when the offense isn’t being run through him.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 18, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a nice win and a big relief to see bargnani put the the ball through the hoop, since that’s what he’s there for… but I’m not too happy with how our starters match up with other starters. If this were regular season, I’m not sure the raps would have turned the momentum like they did.

by axl t on Oct 18, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

they may have found a fairly good team that they may be able to beat pretty consistently.

I’m thinking that the Suns will be a very bad team this year. They might, in fact, end up with a worse record than the Raptors.

by siggian on Oct 18, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

They look horrible… a glut of SF’s that don’t excel at anything in particular.

They need another rebounder besides Robin Lopez, and at least one decent defender because Grant Hill is getting a bit slow.

by B.C. on Oct 18, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wondering that too in the West…

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by Adam Francis on Oct 18, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt. Suns are going to suck this year, which is awful because I’m a huge Steve Nash fan.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on yesterday's win

While I was pretty happy with the overall play of the team, I’m a bit worried with the “starters.” In the first half while Bargs was hitting his shot, there was NO ball movement and minus Andrea, the team would have scored about 4 points.

Ok, slight exaggeration, but the Raps didn’t get back into the game until Jack and the bench mob came in. Then things started to flow.

I’m worried this is going to be the danger all season with this current starting group.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 18, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Will Reggie and Jose be starting though?

It could very well be Jack and Johnson instead of Calderon and Evans. I guess we’ll see in what’s left of the preseason. Why Johnson hasn’t been starting with Bargnani to further entrench the chemistry is beyond me.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Oct 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jack over Calderon seems like a no brainer. But the Raptors seem determined to make this whole Evans-Bargs thing work, which is odd considering the amount of money spent re-upping Amir.

But hey, if Triano’s strategy is to dig a hole with the starters and try to come back and win with the bench, he’s well on his way!

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 18, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s an ‘exciting brand of basketball’ – come from behind wins (and losses) and all!

by dhackett1565 on Oct 18, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the chemistry Jack has with Weems and Amir off the bench…but I have to wonder if that chemistry wouldn’t be there if all 3 or even 2 of them were starters…which would help balance things out.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 18, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You also have to consider… how much of that ‘chemistry’ is simply a side-effect of playing against second stringers?

by dhackett1565 on Oct 18, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m confused as to why Triano’s units are so unbalanced.

Starters: Bargnani, Kleiza, Jose – pretty much the 3 most perimeter oriented players on the team, and none of them great defenders.

Bench: Only Barbosa is a threat from distance, with solid defenders in Johnson, Weems, Jack (meh).

Seems to me that just for the fit, Jack and Johnson should be starting with Kleiza and Bargs (DD as well, since Barbosa is so good off the bench).

by dhackett1565 on Oct 18, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, that seems like the most logical rotation based on the players available.

by DW19 on Oct 18, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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