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Tip-In: Lack of Effort Early Does Raptors In Against Celtics

After a frustrating loss to the Celtics B and C team last night, Franchise talks effort and some changes he'd like to see Jay Triano make to his line-ups...

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"....I didn't think we had the grit, and the desire, and the fight that we're gonna need, if we're going to win basketball games, or compete against teams like the Boston Celtics..."

As frustrating as last night's loss was from a Raptors' fan's vantage point, hearing Jay Triano say those words, along with a number of other choice ones in his post-game tirade, made the match more than worthwhile.

For me, it was about time.

Last year I felt that too many players got away with too many nights of less than 100% effort and while that's fine when you can rely on the likes of Chris Bosh in those moments, without him, you need a complete team effort each and every night.

It's only pre-season but there already have been concerning lapses in said effort and last night's 117 to 112 loss was Exhibit A for me.

For those who missed it, the Raptors got down by nearly 30 points before a late fourth quarter flurry pulled them within a shot at the win.  It was a case of too little too late, but in those fleeting fourth quarter minutes, it showed something that many of us at the HQ, readers and writers, have been saying for years - this team can be successful when it plays with passion and intensity on each and every play.

Unfortunately, that just doesn't happen nearly enough, and frankly, there are certain players on the team who just don't play in that manner.

Compounding this issue is a lack of talent, something that was glaringly obvious in this one.  Boston just seemed to be toying with Toronto and why not?  When Rajon Rondo is able to beat his man off the bounce in a half-court set, and is quick enough to speed past him and a closing Amir Johnson resulting in an open lay-up, why wouldn't you make plays like this all day if you're the C's?

In fact at one point in last night's live-blog, we discussed whether any of the current Raptors were talented enough to make Boston's bench.  While we came up with a few names like Barbosa and Kleiza etc, the fact is that the Raptors are playing role players as starters at present, and this echoes back to another of Jay Triano's comments post-game:

"are they (Boston) better than us?  Absolutely.  So we have to make it up somehow.  And we have to make it up by outworking teams, and we didn't do that, we didn't win that category tonight either."

It wasn't until Triano threw out a line-up of Marcus Banks, Sonny Weems, Julian Wright, Amir Johnson and Joey Dorsey in the late fourth that this changed.

Suddenly, the defense picked up, the intensity was there, and Toronto outworked a group of Celtics "scrubs," who had given the Raptors' starters fits all night.

How did this group do it?  Honestly, they played solid fundamental ball.  They got up on D (see Banks locking down Nate Rob and forcing turnovers), they were aggressive inside (see Julian Wright's wreckless forays at the rim), they rebounded the ball (Mr. Dorsey), and they set hard screens enabling good cuts to the hoop (Dorsey again.)

That's it.

Nothing too fancy, just basic basketball.

It also helps that this quintet features some of the most athletic and physically skilled players the Raptors have, and frankly, Triano needs to play these types more often.  Maybe they're not as naturally skilled as players like Bargnani or have the basketball acumen of a Jose Calderon, but they compete and these physical traits put them on par with their competition.  I can't count the number of times last night prior to this line-up that the Celtics' players simply out-muscled, out-jumped, or out-ran the Raps.  Some of this as mentioned, yes, was effort, but a good chunk was in natural ability.  Even guys like Von Wafer are a handful for the Calderon's and DeRozan's of this team and last night made that painfully obvious.

I mean Boston shot 54 free-throws!  Think about that for a second.  

Toronto shot 42 themselves, but a good chunk of those came late in the game when the Banks-led quintet stepped it up.  The Raptors awful rotations and lackluster help simply kept the C's at the line and when the opponent is shooting that many more free-throws, it makes it tough to win games.

So here's my hope for Sunday afternoon; Triano lays down the law and makes some radical changes.

He talked a good game as per his post-game tirade, but now let's see what transpires for tomorrow's game against the Suns, because the message needs to be sent and sent now before the season gets under way.

If I'm Triano, I start Jack, Weems, Wright, Kleiza and Amir Johnson.

I bring in Leandro Barbosa, Joey Dorsey, Marcus Banks and DeMar DeRozan as needed.

That's it.

I'm sorry but until Jose brings something to the table, anything, and Andrea decides he's not going to get beat down the court by a 54 year old Kevin Garnett, and allow guard after guard to head to the rim uncontested, they don't play.

Reggie Evans and David Andersen?  I'm sorry too but you're just not effective enough to play major minutes.

And why the hell is Ronald Dupree playing at all Jay?

In all seriousness this team has to start playing the players who deserve to play, not those who have bigger contracts, more experience or higher pedigrees etc.  If that means starting essentially a rookie like Dorsey, or even Ed Davis later in the year, so be it.  If there's a season to try some new things and really instill some proper fundamentals, it's this one frankly.

Otherwise fans are going to be stuck watching the same cycle year after year and that's not something I care to do.

Last night's match made me think back to Mike James' and his 27 win 2005-06 Raptors' squad.

That team wasn't very talented, as you can see from this roster, but they competed hard nearly each and every night and because of that, were often exciting to watch. James himself was viewed as a bit of a "chucker," but he also refused to say die, a trait I always respected, and it's one of the reasons he's stuck in the league so long, despite his many basketball shortcomings.

The group who finished the game last night had that same "never quit" spirit, and it's up to Triano to either get more of that mentality from his "starters," or find new starters altogether, something he conceded as well post-game when addressing this lack of grit:

"maybe it's the combination of players I have, they haven't been able to figure it out..."

I think this is the case, but the good news is the team still has three more pre-season matches to figure it out for sure.

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Good post, no one player bashing, a lot of people didn’t play very well last night. Agree with everything you said on here. Except the free throw shooting should cancel each other out cause the raps got to the line a hell of a lot too and its also cause of that new tech rule that helped with the bloated numbers..that rule HAS to change its a damn joke how easy the refs give out techs. And why is dupree playing..those minutes should go to weems and Julian. Dupree problably won’t even be on the team so why bother. I’m guessing its just to show dupree off to other teams who are watching that might be interested in his services. Guess a favor for him and his agent which isn’t a bad thing really. Glad to see the coach call out his team abit…think Jay is growing up as a head couch.

by sherwin316 on Oct 16, 2010 11:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I didn’t get into the tech situation but it IS ridiculous. I get it, they want to tone down the whining, I hated that too. But some of these calls are so unreal, I just worry it’s going to kill a tight, emotional game down the line when the games really matter…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Oct 16, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Your totally right, I wanna see if the refs gonna have balls to do it to the superstars in a close, important game. If they do A LOT of teams are gonna lose games and that well cost them down the road in the standings. Specially with guys like Howard, lebron, kobe, theses guys are known for whinning at this rate those guys will be suspended by the 10th game into the season for fix sakes. That sure wouldn’t pleases fans..I saw on TV that the players association is ready to take this to legal action if they don’t change the rule..curious to see what the NBA does if it goes down that road.

by sherwin316 on Oct 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

David Stern is wayyyy to controlling of NBA Players. The dress code, defensive three-seconds (replacing illegal defense), no hand checking, and now the quick technicals. Come on… we are dealing with grown a&* man game. Charles Oakley’s comments were bang on because every rule change indirectly affects the game. I always wondered what would happen if every player on a team gets ejected… I guess we will find out this season.

by Slick_Rick on Oct 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an aside, how funny was Oak?

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by Adam Francis on Oct 16, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as they do not start handing out techs for facial expressions or eye rolling, they can tech up people all they want for whining. Players should be allowed to express themselves with their faces or body language without reprisal but they should keep their mouth’s shut and play the game.

by McGateway on Oct 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Loved the article

I totally agree with overhauling the line-up

I know that I don’t have access to the Raptors locker room, but I feel that Jay Triano is intimidated by pro-players. The signing of Andrea and Calderon has pretty much solidified their minutes on the court. I’m all for benching players that don’t commit to playing with effort and intensity, but I figure that JT has yet to establish his control of the team.

I use to hate the Celtics for a number of reasons, but I am finding out that they have everything the Raptors lack. They come to play with a swagger every game and they KNOW that they are going to win. Even Nate Robinson was taunting the crowd after the Weems block. I can’t say enough about how much of Doc Rivers’ demeanour is rubbing off on his players.

The Raptors management, coaches, and media have stayed tight-lipped to far often with the Andrea project. When he is on the floor he offers absolutely nothing substantial to increase the Raptors overall performance level. The argument is that he needs the ball in the post; however, when he gets the ball he takes an ill-advised shot that ricochets so freaking badly.

by Slick_Rick on Oct 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Guess I'll bring him up

Bargnani -
I agree, he needs a seat.

by Tinmann on Oct 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for bringing this up.

If Franchise won’t say it, I will. I watched the entiire game and Bargnani was GODAWFUL last night, as he has been all preseason. Here are his numbrs from last night: 15 points on 5 of 16 shooting, a measly 5 boards and atrocious defense in 25 mins.

He’s averaging 9.4 pts and 4.6 rebounds 25% from the field and 20% fom three point range for preseason. His coach has questioned his commitment, fitness and effort on multiple occasions this preseason.
These are all facts. He deserves to sit. That is all.

by MAS11 on Oct 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seat is overdue

If only to psychologically shake him up a bit – he’s had it far too easy for far too long. This is the first I’ve heard about his fitness being bad, although it’s not surprising. But didn’t he play with the National team all summer? He should at least be in decent shape. Although I suppose the same could have been said about Turks last year, and we all know how that worked out.

by RaptorsAddict on Oct 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the quote from Triano:

"(Bargnani) is not doing things as quickly, and with as much urgency as we’d like him to," the coach said. "Maybe he’s not in shape. . . ."

Here’s the Star article I took it from (last Sunday): http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/nba/raptors/article/873582—feschuk-no-more-mr-nice-guy

by MAS11 on Oct 16, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

how can our team get out ran by a bunch of old guys. thats shameful

by raptors_run_the_show on Oct 16, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Bunch of old guys

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You mean the old guys who led the finals 3 games to 2, and lost by 4 points in the 7th game. - Those guys?
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by RapthoseLeafs on Oct 17, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent write

What an excellent article. I don’t know why Triano would not start exactly who you’re suggesting, but he won’t. A coach who has not the balls to set any player who is coasting is a huge liability to the team. The problem is that you don’t know how much interference the front office is running. It would be an interesting question for Colangelo – Would you support Jay on any and all of decisions to bench players regardless of their contracts?

by raptball on Oct 16, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Along the same lines, I wonder what Colangelo’s strategy is going to be when the home fans start booing Bargnani. That prospect is looking more and more likely.

by DW19 on Oct 16, 2010 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It’s going to get to the point where they boo him every time he checks in the game or touches the ball. And then you’ll see his fragile confidence take a beating.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 16, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love those kind of fans

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I always thought home games were an advantage, cause fans cheered their team, and booed the opposition. Somehow we got it backwards up here.
Must be that “different smell”
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by RapthoseLeafs on Oct 17, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow – this is a great point. What happends if the Bargs experiment ends up in boos? We all know Toronto fans, they’re going to take their frustration out on someone if the team keeps losing and losing thanks to a perceived lack of effort…

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by Adam Francis on Oct 16, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

benching

I agree with the previous commenters that now is the time to send a message about effort. I think it has to be a two step process. First comes a warning, which we saw after the game, and if we see a repeated lack of effort then the benchings start. Next game for example, if Bargnani(or whoever else) doesn’t show up from the start then they don’t start in the second half. If that doesn’t get the message through then they don’t start the next game. If that is not enough then the game after they don’t play at all.
On the other side of the coin, this is not all about punishment. It is also about rewarding the guys who are trying hard and playing the right way. If Dorsey or Banks or whoever is getting the job done then give them some rope and see what they can do with it. These guys have a natural ceiling that we should see fairly quickly against better competition.
Lastly, I think Colangelo has failed to understand one important thing about fans in Toronto. While Torontonians are fairly sophisticated and appreciate a bit of finesse they also have a blue collar aspect to their psyche that loves to see good old fashioned hard work and effort. That’s why guys like JYD and Alvin(not to mention Domi, Clark, Gilmour, etc) have been such fan favourites. If BC wants to lengthen his tenure he should support Triano in instilling a more blue collar attitude in this team. A few selective benchings seems like a good place to start.

by DW19 on Oct 16, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Lastly, I think Colangelo has failed to understand one important thing about fans in Toronto. While Torontonians are fairly sophisticated and appreciate a bit of finesse they also have a blue collar aspect to their psyche that loves to see good old fashioned hard work and effort. That’s why guys like JYD and Alvin(not to mention Domi, Clark, Gilmour, etc) have been such fan favourites. If BC wants to lengthen his tenure he should support Triano in instilling a more blue collar attitude in this team. A few selective benchings seems like a good place to start.

+1

Well said.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

+2 – and the reason Oak is still so revered in these parts.

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by Adam Francis on Oct 16, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

Jay’s got nothing to lose by slotting jose an notch behind marcus banks and benching bargnani. Triano’s out of the league if this year is worse than expected, even as low as they are already.

To complicate matters, it would take a season or two, just to change the raptor’s reputation with the refs. Consistently aggressive teams always get away with more.

Right now, too many steals and blocks are called fouls, and it’s a lot because we have a track record of being soft and lazy.

by axl t on Oct 16, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Even if a few steals and blocks are currently being called fouls, it doesn’t change the fact that this team is deeply flawed. More of a factor when we get in a game that is actually important. All that is important is the long-term.

by bigweeze on Oct 18, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay the Company Man

The more I look at Triano’s decisions, the more obvious it is that he is trying to please his boss not the fans.In the end, this will likely cost him his job, as Colangelo already has his replacement sitting right beside him on the bench. If Jay wants to survive he will need to kick some ass and soon. That means doing what everyone else on this blog have been saying for weeks, play the lineups with the best chance of competing, not the lineup with the biggest contracts. With respect to Banks, I have been mystified now for two seasons why this guy sits on the bench night after night while Calderon plays. Banks plays great D, and does not seem to be overly turnover prone either when running the O. He doesn’t complain either, which under the circumstances is pretty amazing in itself. With respect to Bargs, what can I add. He definitely needs a PF beside him who can score a bit and I agree that Johnson is the logical candidate. Indeed the two played well together in spurts last year, so again I scratch my head at why Triano is playing Evans. I’m actually looking for the Carlesimo era to begin.

by MMBL10 on Oct 16, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Sam Mitchell is someone who deserves — and will probably get — another head coaching job in the NBA. I don’t think Jay Triano will ever be in charge of a team again… unless some GM is looking for a puppet to roam the sidelines.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Triano definitely needs to do a better job this season than he did last year if he wants to hang onto his job. He post-Raptors future in the NBA would probably be as an assistant somewhere, although he might prefer to look for something in the international arena.

by DW19 on Oct 16, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

MMBL10 – solid point on Banks. He’s been the butt of many jokes over the years but I’d have to say he’s been one Raptor who always competes at both ends even in the little time he gets on the floor.

He doesn’t complain either, which under the circumstances is pretty amazing in itself.

I was thinking about this last night too while he was on the court…wasn’t he cast as a difficult malcontent? I’ve spoken to him numerous times in the locker room and he’s always been pretty easy going and facilitating.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Oct 16, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay the Company Man Part II

I liked Sam’s no BS attitude and toughness, but I don’t think he was up to snuff with respect to team preparation and the X’s and O’s stuff. Jay seems really good at drawing up plays out of time outs, and he definitely seems organized and diligent in preparing the team (although the results don’t show it). When it comes to player accountability and proper emphasis on defense he seems absolutely clueless. It is this part that I don’t get. He is obviously smart and dedicated, but why does he not see the obvious with respect to people like Bargs, Jose, Evans, Turk last year, etc. To me it comes back to Jay trying to please the delusional Colangelo and his overrated projects.

by MMBL10 on Oct 16, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Spot on!

Triano or Triangelo as someone coined him recently is an empty suit. He’s a glorified yes man. Smitch had the balls to sit Bargnani and that was the main driver for his termination. So yes Colangelo’s delusions are forcing this franchise down a detrimental path.

by MAS11 on Oct 16, 2010 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

3 things

1. Triano squeezed 17 points and 6 rebunds a game out of Bargs last season. Plus he has the team at least attempting to play stingy defense.

2. People are starting to laud Marcus Banks for playing adequately against scrubs. Give him time, he’ll be a punchline again before you know it.

3. Smitch was a mediocre coach at best. I’m willing to bet any takers that Triano has a longer and more succesful coaching career.

by Posterized on Oct 17, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Smitch was a mediocre coach at best??????? WHAT

are your crazy or blind , the man won best coach of the year , Triano still can make it to the playoffs ,

2. Sam Mitchell played in the NBA for a number of years, and coaches like the best coach’s in the league , ask for 100% if he doesn’t get 100% bench you till give him 100% .

buddy u got it all wrong triano mediocre , for a guy who can do nothing wrong still cant win a game or go to the playoffs,
 
Sam Mitchell was what Toronto need , he jus didn’t have the talent to take them to far and instead of blaming BC idiots like u blame Sam ,like he made the roster and signed traded key players or screwed up the money , Triano was garbage from the start when he took over , he has no heart , he never even played in the NBA ,

what can he offer these man that he never seen , wake up dummies turk exposed him to the league and to the fans which i knew from the start , good assist coach , but dont gave him a team to run , he’s to small

by Real raptors fan on Oct 17, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me it comes back to Jay trying to please the delusional Colangelo and his overrated projects.

That was a good one ha ha…agree, and it made me laugh.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Oct 16, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Analyzing

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Always great to learn the game of basketball here.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Oct 17, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

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