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Andrea Bargnani: Defensive Presence (AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Frank Gunn)

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A combined team effort was needed to beat the best team in the NBA.  A combined effort was what the Raptors got to beat the L.A. Lakers 106-105.  Raptors HQ goes into this win which reminds them of a game many moons ago

Star-divide

The mood was electric.

Against the best team in the NBA and a legendary player who will be counted amongst the best ever, the Raptors had pulled out a lead with preciously few seconds left on the clock.

The Raptors looked down at their legendary opposition as he aimed to do what he had done many times before.

The ball left his fingertips and everyone gasped.

Waiting.

The ball spilled out and the Raptors and their fans celebrated like they never celebrated before.

 


 

As a Raptor fan, it's been quite a long time since we've felt such a complete effort which led to a Raptors win.  The name of the opposition was the Lakers this time, but many moons ago, it was Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls.  The expectations and the strengths of the Raptors teams then and now are quite different, but the feeling of the win was quite the same. 

Beating a truly quality opponent in a close game just can't be topped.

It didn't come easy, however.  In the first quarter, the Raptors allowed the Lakers to simply abuse them from the inside.  The problems started with Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, but by the end of the half, the majority of the Lakers' points were scored in the paint. Bynum, in particular, was nearly an unstoppable force.  After missing his chartered flight to come to Toronto, the big goofy Laker effortlessly put the ball in the basket.  It didn't matter if it was on an alley-oop or off a missed shot, Bynum was around the basket causing a racket.  It's this part of his game that entices so many teams, but his injuries and his attitude towards the game must also drive Lakers fans crazy. While Bynum was fairly effective, the Raptors had some weapons of their own. 

Andrea Bargnani in particular, punctuated his return with one of his best dunks ever by charging down a gap in the lane before throwing down an incredible reverse slam to answer an Andrew Bynum play seconds earlier.  On the next play, Chris Bosh would be on the receiving end of a quick Hedo Turkoglu touch pass resulting from a push-pass by Marco Belinelli

The bench players also gave some great work that was needed if the Raptors were to have a chance against the Lakers.  Amir Johnson had yet another subtle yet important game by contributing seven points.  Nevertheless, the kudos for the bench really belonged to the other Italian on the team, Marco Belinelli.  The second half of the Italian contingent was all over the floor with his scoring, attacking the Lakers from within and a perfect touch from the outside.  He also defended the passing lanes with zeal.  With several key deflections including one in the final seconds of the game, Belinelli was the main countering agent to Jordan Farmar's own bench production.

Marco Belinelli's lone effort was not quite enough as the Lakers sustained their lead throughout most of the game.  In the 3rd quarter, the game even threatened to spiral out of hand as the Raptors started off slow before Jarrett Jack took over the night for a second straight game.  Proving to be one of Bryan Colangelo's best "value signing" over the summer, Jack has been a vocal leader and has shown a propensity to take charge of games when the Raptors need a little helping hand.  It's not something that Jose Calderon does often, and with the core group of starters displaying a general lethargy, Jack's effort has proven to be a much needed kick in the butt.  By the time Jack left the game, the Raptors were once again within striking distance.

All that was left were for the Raptors to close the deal for the win.

In the fourth, it was largely the Andrea Bargnani show.  If anyone doubts his value at $10 million a year, his ability to play both sides of the court on the fourth last night was awe-inspiring.  Going hard at the Lakers, Bargnani made several key baskets including one to give the Raptors their first lead.  Bargnani also provided the final field goal of the game, which was a dandy reverse layup leading to a 3-point play to pull the Raptors within one.  On the defensive end, Bargnani was a pest to Gasol, stole the ball from Andrew Bynum and was a presence under the basket.  Mix in some of the aforementioned Marco Belinelli plays and a couple key free throws from Hedo Turkoglu, and the Raptors managed to pull off a win against the best team in the NBA.

It's not often that we as Raptors fans feel truly satisfied with the fight in our team.  Yesterday, the Raptors gave their fans just that.  Every single player showed some kind of fight in them.  Whether it was Jose Calderon playing through a cut above his eye, Rasho Nesterovic producing some key minutes in the second quarter, or Hedo Turkoglu's free throws, every player found a way to have an affect on the game.  A team effort overcame the best team in the NBA because they played as a unified unit.  They were relentless in attacking the Lakers and never allowed the Lakers to stay too far ahead.  However, perhaps the most important "big picture" point of this win is that the Raptors continued to play their game throughout the entire night.  It's a sign of a maturing identity that the Raptors did not simply try to match the Lakers punch-for-punch and shot-for-shot like they did against Boston.

They simply won doing it their way.

And with so many games coming up against sub-.500 teams over the next couple weeks, the Raptors are poised to make a run up the standings.

It sure is a good time to be a Raptors fan.

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Solid win

There are definitely some encouraging signs coming out of this game.
-I liked Bosh’s hard foul on Kobe, it’s about time we started snding a message “No easy buckets”
-I liked the sequence of passes from Beli to Turk to Bosh. With so many players capable of facilitating the offense it’s nice to see it taken advantge of. Plus, it’s nice that even though Turk is having trouble scoring the ball he’s still a great playmaker.
-Loved that we stayed poised throughout the game and did not panick or put our heads down.
-8 BOARDS FOR BARGS!!! Love it. Plus he had a hell of a 4th quarter.
-Solid contributons off the bench. I’ve said it before, I’m really becoming a Beli fan. Not just of his game, but of his attitude as well. Fearless.
- We beat the Lakers despite a sub par night from Jose and Turk.

A couple of discouraging things
- Still had some brain farts on defense leading to open looks and easy buckets
-Hedo’s lack of confidence is causing him to pass on open looks. Hopefully this game goes a long way to help him over come this shooting slump
-Despite Hedo looking like a pinball between three Laker defenders onthe final play, NBA TV calling the foul he drew “questionable”. COMMON!!!

Still, it’s a great win and let’s hope we can build some momentum heading into All-Star weekend. Speaking of which, I’m still pissed that Bosh is not starting for the east and that nobody in the media seems to question Garnett’s selection as the starting PF.

by Posterized on Jan 25, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

re Calderon/Turks sub par nights

Did you watch the game, or just reading write-ups, or box scores?
Calderon only played 15:44 , aquired 2 stiches from a stray elbow, had 5 points and a team high (tied with Turk & 1 more than Jack) 5 assists, setting up 2 of Belinellis, 3pts and Andreas 3pt in the 4th amongst them.

Turk although only making 1/6 went to the line for 6/6 & 5 assists for 9 points, and the game winning play. Without their contributions Rap’s lose big time. Players do not have to have big scoring or rebounding games to make important contributations to games.

Everybody that played contributed to an outstanding TEAM effort Win against a very good team.

by Johnn19 on Jan 25, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, I did watch the game. Start to finish. I watched Jose lose his man a couple of times leading to acouple of easy buckets for the Lakers. Why do you suppose he only played 15 mins? A couple of crucial assists are great but don’t necessarily make up for a player who is pretty much none existant for most of the game. And taking an elbow to the face doesn’t mean you played a solid game either. It just means you took an elbow to the face. Hedo made a couple of clutch free throws (which was awesome) and I believe I already let it be known how I feel about him as a playmaker. However, if he and Jose are a little more effective on offense (and Jose on D) then we would be probably talking about ten point victory over the Lakeshow rather than a one point win. I guess I was just expecting a little more out of Jose. Even in a win against the Lakers, there is always room for improvement. I would like to point out that I do like Jose’s attitude and the fact that until Beli showed up Jose was pretty much the only Raptor to show any balls against some of the leagues elite players.
For the record, I usually don’t comment on a game if haven’t watched it, because I don’t tink the box scores can truly tell the whole story. Though I do find it funny that after you accused me of that, you promptly used stats to argue your case. ; )

by Posterized on Jan 25, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo should be taking those open shots and passing up on the long bombs when he’s tightly defended. It’s just a matter of shot selection, and his lack of it.

by benjibopper on Jan 25, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think we could all agree that shot selection may be playing a big part in his current shooting funk.

by Posterized on Jan 25, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great recap

I was going to touch on some of these things too:

-Hedo was TOTALLY passing up open looks. Not good despite his shooting struggles. And I can’t explain how frustrating it was to listen to Devlin and Leo defende someone essentially being paid $53 Million to hit 6 free-throws.

Clutch? I suppose.

But that call was suspect to begin with as Hedo was completely out of control.

That shouldn’t take away from a very impressive overall effort though from the rest of the team.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 25, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Common Franchise!!!

He was out of control because he was being bounced around by the Lakers like a woman between Chris Kattan and Will Ferrell in A Night At The Roxbury. ; )

by Posterized on Jan 25, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

bosh has more skill right now then garnett, garnett is only getting on his name i dont think hes a franchise type player any more

by raptors_run_the_show on Jan 25, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been the first on harping about Bargs defence as he is 1 third of the Triangle of death, but he has slowly, and fairly quietly improved his low post play.

He’s obviously the Raps best low post defender, but he’s also gone from being awful, picking 3 fouls in the 1st quater to an average to above average defender.

He’s no longer reaching in, and he finally standing straight up right. No hacking, no trying to block everyshot. He’s just being a 7ft and realizing that’s pretty effective.

SO I’m just offering my kudos.

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 9:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

you are forgiven

now go and do not sin no more…

by renato on Jan 25, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is I’m a realist.. and I don’t want to go and have his childeren like some other people. :)

He’s still just a slightly better than average defender at best, and well at worst, one of the worst.

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nah man bargs was an above average defender now he is a good defender next step will to become a great defender

by raptors_run_the_show on Jan 25, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See that’s where my lack of man-love helps me see things differently. I have a collection of aweful AB Defensive plays in my head, especially early in the season.

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It still cracks me up when he does the “wave my hands back and forth as fast as I can” defensive move (or as one reader described it last night during the chat, the “wax on, wax off” move) but I agree, his individual D is miles ahead of where it used to be.

I’d still like to see him be a better help defender but that should come with time…and better perimeter defenders…

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 25, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ohhhh… I don’t know if I’d start expecting/hoping for him to be a better perimeter defender. Baby steps… baby steps.

You know what’d be a fun game to watch? Andrea vs Andrea. I wonder if there would be any defensive stops? They would pump fake and drive by each other everytime.

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think he meant better perimeter defenders AROUND him…not Andrea himself.

by HDave on Jan 25, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah yes.. :)

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thing is, when he does his “hand wave” I always also look at his feet, which are always moving. It’s how he’s managed to stay mobile and in front of most quicker players which I’m all for.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jan 25, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dare I say....

Bargs is now becoming Mr. 4th quarter.

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jan 25, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His low post game has come a long way, but really what’s been super consistent is his midpost. Catch and shoot off the curl or from there he takes it to the hoop. They seem to go to this set more in the 4th.

I only wish they’d run this more for him when his long range shots not going, but they seem to only do it when Bosh is off the court, or when he’s on a high pick’n roll set. I know they don’t want to clog Chris’ lane and bring another big defender down low, but I think they can go 4 to 5 more a game. If Chris is making his shots, have him be the outlet at the elbow and let Bargs start mid and go low.

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It cannot grow into a sure thing if they do not just star cinsistently t using it while, at the same time, being willing to go trough growing pain. Tthings do not just happen automagically

by renato on Jan 25, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d say that a lot of it also are how the refs are starting to call him because his reputation around the league is slowly changing. It’s taken a while, but he’s not getting called for quite the same “phantom” fouls as he once was.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jan 25, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s about time we got a ‘respect’ call like that. Same situation last year, no way AP or Joey g gets that call…

by axl t on Jan 25, 2010 9:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Definitely agree. I think that’s part of what we paid for in the Turk signing: a recognizable face/name besides Bosh to drive to the basket in the late minutes.

Plus if Bargnani keeps going how he is, he’ll start getting some respect down there, too. Big game from the Barnyard Dog!

by Kballer on Jan 25, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No way Joey doesn’t bobble the pass out of bounds…

And AP only hits one of two for sure…

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 25, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

everytime u say AP, i think of Adrian Peterson and my heart breaks for the Vikings…

by HDave on Jan 25, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If it breaks into...

as many pieces as the Vikes had fumbles/turnovers then your heart is shattered.

AP – HOLD ONTO THE BALL!

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jan 25, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Word.

that was so depressing. shades of 1999

by HDave on Jan 25, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Johnn19

Thanks for the info on JC unfortunately I was under the weather fell asleep throughout most of the 2nd half and was wondering why JC had such low minutes

Fortunately I woke up with about 2 min to go and got to see the end.
Game in an hour for Me to enjoy the win.

by Davl on Jan 25, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Marco's + Andrea'a effort...

Why don’t just call it…. The Italian Job….?

by renato on Jan 25, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lakers fan here

Great win guys. You have a really exciting team, best of luck on the rest of the season.

by pedro_oliveira on Jan 25, 2010 10:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

What is up with the super nice Laker fans?!?! Let’s go over there and show them what mean Canadians are like. :)

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We’ll see you in the finals…

…in 2012 if Bosh stays, Hedo gets traded, DeMar, Weems and Bargs keep developing, and the Raps draft Evan Turner…

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 25, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Evan Turner...

Ladies an gentlemen….your 2010 Franchise Man Crush!!!!

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jan 25, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Yep…yearly NCAA man-crush and continuing in the tradition of:

-Luol Deng
-Danny Granger
-Chris Douglas-Roberts
-Terrence Williams

…and various other smaller crushes.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 25, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was a Trajan Langdon guy (who I still think needs an opportunity).

But no Laettner love? Cherokee Parks? ;)

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about...

Terrell Everett?!

Oh no…that was me.

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jan 25, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh man.. Terrell wasn’t even a starter in France!

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We all get a mulligan....

right?

Cricket

Cricket

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jan 25, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm well Trajan would have played with Bargs with Benneton, and was also the MVP of the Russian League. Maybe he can be the next Parker? Maybe

by Ustation on Jan 25, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On the Hedo topic

I agree he fills the stat sheet. I agree that hit two big free-throws.

What I don’t agree with is everyone trying to defend his play as of late, in particular Matt and Leo.

Leo basically said BC didn’t bring him in to be a scorer. HUH?! If Hedo doesn’t score we are getting almost no scoring from the wing position starters wise. That is a massive problem. Sure Belinelli can catch fire but Hedo had better start scoring on a consistent basis.

The problem for Hedo is if he shoots and misses we all throw our hands up in desperation. If doesn’t shoot he is not doing what he is paid to do. In order to get out of a shooting slump you have to shoot more…he just better not miss. It’s really a $53 million dollar problem right now.

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jan 25, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The broadcast crew is just a public relations dept hired to sell the product
They lack imagination and say the same thing over and over and over

Like Rashio hits a shot they go into the it does not matter how little He plays He is always ready etc thing.

AB is really smooth for a 7 footer …Devlyn keep pumping Him

Hedo good things happen when He has the ball in His hands (yuk)

That is just the beginning by the way did anybody ever start the firedevlyn web site?

by Davl on Jan 25, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo - stat stuffer

One of the things that Dave Berri’s blog WOW constantly harps on is that the game is not all about scoring, and that the other stats really do matter.

The fact that Hedo has been challenged to hit his shots lately shouldn’t detract from the fact that he creates wins for the team by stuffing the stat sheet in other – less sexy – ways.

In this he is the reverse of Bargs whose main talent is filling the bucket, and for whom rebounds, and assists cause an allergic reaction.

Its a nifty explanation for why Shawn Marion was wicked awesome, and Alan Iverson overrated.

That all said, I would love it if;

- Hedo got himself in shape. He frequently looks gassed out there. Do the Raptors play at a higher pace/# of possessions than he did in Orlando? Was he just lazy in the off-season and still working his way back? Too much pizza? I don’t know, but his conditioning is deeply suspect.

- Hedo’s defense could definitely stand to improve. He was never the quickest guy, but he gets abused by fast SFs routinely.

- We know Bargs can score, and we know because of his positioning on offense he’ll never be an awesome rebounder, but if his defense can continue to improve (D-rebs, blocks) he’ll be an excellent value for his contract. Perhaps more importantly, his offense/$ will make him a potentially valuable trade option (IMO Colangelo won’t do it).

- Biggest difference for Bargs aside from the improved defensive play is how he has started to take it to the rim with authority and regularity. He is now looking to take big men off the dribble and if they sag off of him he can drain the jumper. If he can develop a real post presence he’ll be unstoppable on offense.

by CamHilton on Jan 25, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What, pray tell, exactly does Hedo bring that’s “extra” to the game? Yes, he does through some nice passes, but it’s not as if the Raptors are without some pretty good point guards on this team. Heck, the aforementioned Bargnani has also been known to throw a wicked pass or two, and the other Italian on the team, Marco Belinelli has been equally adept.

All other categories? For this month, Turkoglu has be down in just about every statistic, if you want to go that route. If you look at his floor game, he’s been the one that has become lost on the team while everyone has developed chemistry and started ticking. Bargnani, especially, has been showing up in other statistical areas especially when his shot isn’t falling with increased blocks and rebounds, not to mention countless other changed shots.

You can argue that Turkoglu has had the toughest adjustment because of the team that he’s come from and the part that he’s played before, but that’s a pretty big excuse. Most of us had predicted his struggles with this team before this season started and had also shown just how misleading his overall image around the league was (that being a clutch shooter). I, myself, wanted to give Turkoglu the benefit of the doubt, but he has often proved many of his critics correct in being more of the San Antonio Spurs Hedo Turkoglu rather than the Orlando Magic Hedo Turkoglu that a lot of his supporters had hoped to see.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jan 25, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one extra...

The only thing I can mention in support of Hedo is that he actually wants the ball in crunch time… He won’t think twice about taking the last shot, in fact he really, really seems to want to be that guy… you can argue we haven’t had many of those players, that when it really came down to it, they wanted to take the final shot to win or lose

by axl t on Jan 25, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would argue that players like Jack, Bosh, or Bargnani want the ball in that situation, but especially for Jack and Bargs, they haven’t been given much of an opportunity yet. Let’s not forget the game winners that Bargnani has taken and heck, even that 4 point play back in his rookie year against Ray Allen and Seattle back in the day. It’s just that it’s becoming more and more often that Hedo is the one that gets the ball in crunch time and has so far, bobbled the ball several times, made (if I remember correctly) one shot, and has clanked several. This latest one was a dribble into traffic where three Lakers were waiting for him under the basket. He could have turned it over in that situation as well.

I would like to say that his personality, or what he does is special on this team, but in the end, a lot of what he does is quite redundant.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jan 25, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to be fair though, he still managed to get rid of the ball on that play and it ended up being a pass to jarrett jack in the corner. it just so happened that a foul was called. at least thats what it seemed like to me.

by HDave on Jan 25, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lakers Broadcast

Spiro Dites and Mychal Thompson thought it was a foul and a good call.

They also pronounced Marco’s last name as Belly-Nelly. Kind of annoying.

by Aaron Craig on Jan 25, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m Canadian born, Italian by blood (parents, grandparents etc..). It is pronounced Belli – Nelli. I didn’t hear the Spiro broadcast but I am confused at what the issue is with the way you spelled the pronunciation.

by PNUTZ on Jan 25, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Italian

there is just one “l” in BeLinelli……

by renato on Jan 26, 2010 4:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know i was trying to spell the pronunciation.

by PNUTZ on Jan 26, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not as bad as chicago i think it was….called him bell-ya-nelly

by HDave on Jan 25, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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