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Tip-In: Toronto Raptors' Post-Game Report - The Realization of Potential?


After a convincing win yesterday afternoon over the Dallas Mavericks, Franchise ponders if fans saw the tip of this team's iceberg, or if the best is yet to come...

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The opening night win over the Cleveland Cavaliers may have been the most exciting win of the season.

The grind-it out win over the Houston Rockets may have been the best defensive performance of the year.

And the wins over San Antonio and Orlando were solid despite 4th quarter lapses...

However in my books, yesterday afternoon's win over the Dallas Mavericks represented the most complete game of the season by the Toronto Raptors.

For those who were witness to the action, you saw nearly a perfect game by Toronto, one where they did a solid job on defense, an outstanding job on offense, and got solid contributions from almost every single player.

Check some of the stats:

-The Raps outrebounded the Mavericks, one of the league's better rebounding clubs.

-Toronto dropped 110 points on the Mavs, the league's 8th most efficient defensive team that on average allows clubs only 97.8 points per game.

-The Mavericks, no offensive slouches themselves considering they average 106.6 points a game, had only 88 on the afternoon.

-The Dinos had 25 assists to only four turnovers.

Perhaps most impressive however?

The fact that Toronto shot only 68 per cent from the free-throw line, and missed 12 of their first 15 shots, yet still fought tooth and nail to keep within striking distance early.  And then, after amassing a 25 point lead, retained that margin essentially to the very end.

So has this team really started to "grow up?"

Are we witnessing the version of the Toronto Raptors that we're going to see for most of the remaining 2009-10 season?

Of course I hope so, but I'll need to see a few more wins of this calibre before I feel my Vegas "over" bet is completely secure. 

But there's no question you can see the potential with this group.  Jack Armstrong mentioned during the game that it seems like players are really starting to "get a feel for their roles" and I completely agree.  Triano routinely now trots out 9 to 10 players on a given night depending on match-ups, and players seem for the most part locked and loaded as to what they need to do when they enter the match.

-Need hustle and rebounding, paging Amir Johnson.

-Need an offensive spark, let's go Marco.

-Need some scrappiness and athleticism, in you go Sonny.

-Need some airballed 3 pointers and bad decisions on offense, where's Wright?

Actually, even Antoine Wright played well in yesterday's win and the point really is that if Toronto can get consistent contributions from these folks in their current roles going forward, this could very well be a team that gives Atlanta a run for that fourth spot considering the change in schedule.

In fact, there's a distinct possibility that what fans saw yesterday was only the tip of the iceberg.

Hedo Turkoglu still struggled offensively against Dalls going 2 for 9, and even though he did fill the stat sheet in other ways, if he and DeMar can really get going...

Ok, I won't get ahead of myself here.

There's still a lot of games left and losses like last Monday's to Indiana shows that we're a ways away from seeing the consistency needed to get to that proverbial "next level."  But there's no question that while wins over the Bulls and Pistons are nice, wins like yesterday's really show the promise this group holds.  (And that in turn is what makes losses like those this season to Indiana and Memphis that much more frustrating.)

It was indeed an awesome display and one that hopefully signifies that the best is yet to come for TO.

And with the Cavs up tomorrow night, Raptors' fans will get a chance to see if this prognostication is one step closer to becoming true.

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In defence of Turk

I may stand to be corrected but I believe the way Turk plays the 3 spot is unique in the league. I don’t think there are a lot of players in the NBA at that position who are “pass first” players. If you are critizing him for not scoring enough perhaps that is unfair since his assist totals are often up there with Jack and Calderon and he is looking inside to the pac man himself- Bosh- who is demanding the ball every time down.
I don’t find that he is any more than an average shooter but he is very willing to take the “big” shot. I like that attitude but it might be that he needs more work on his shooting.
And finally, his defense. He is too big to have the lateral quickness to guard the athletic 3’s in the league but dispite that ,he also does an average job.
Orlando found that his “drive and kick” ability was valuable enough to get them deep into the NBA finals. Valuable enough to accept his physical liabilities.

by RT... on Jan 18, 2010 7:51 AM EST reply actions  

I think this is actually the problem with the team. In the offseason when BC targeted Turk, he envisioned him running the game when JC was on the bench but then signed Jack to back up JC. Maybe he didn’t think Jack would play many minutes or didn’t see him as a ball handling PG but it has become obvious that the three of them have difficulty co-existing efficiently. Hedo needs the ball in his hands to make him effective and he isn’t really getting it enough to cater to his skill set. Triano could do a better job by changing the offense but I guess he doesn’t want to disrupt the entire scheme just to fit one player in.

by McGateway on Jan 18, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with his assists/playmaking/passing or fitting with Jack or Jose. He just needs to take good shots and make them at the rate of 16/17 ppg like he did in Orlando.

by Johnn19 on Jan 18, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree – it’s not so much the points either although it would be nice to get above 13 a game, it’s more shot selection and the fact that his percentage lately has been horrid.

by Adam Francis on Jan 18, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And I think it’s a fit issue too. I never understood why BC was so gung-ho on Hedo considering his strengths and weaknesses were already duplicated to a certain degree with the existing starters. I think he’s better alongside Jack though, and hopefully as long as Jay stays away from the “triangle of death,” he’ll start to find his spots again.

by Adam Francis on Jan 18, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty happy with...

15-5-5 from turk. He’s the 3rd option on offence right now (after bosh and bargnani) and add in the fact that the raptors are making it a point to give derozan touches, it seems like his scoring is not as important (or needed) as is his overall flexibility and playmaking.

by dchoubak on Jan 19, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I would still like to see a move of some sort to get a better player on the wing (def/off combination) so we can bring Hedo off the bench but I guess that is unlikely. I have to admit that they have played a lot better than I expected of late and are showing signs they may be a better team than I gave BC credit for. It will take a few more wins against some good teams and they need to be more ruthless against the crap of the NBA but they are definitely on the right track.

by McGateway on Jan 18, 2010 7:51 AM EST reply actions  

Raptors are great at PG/PF/C, what they need to be competative with anybody is some consistent play on the wings, DeRozan/Turkuglu/Belinelli/Weems/Wright. The talent is there, someone needs to step up, and when the consistent play matches with the PG/PF/C play, we will have a very competitive team.

by Johnn19 on Jan 18, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Regarding Hedo

If the Raptors can continue their winning ways I think Turkoglu is a smart enough player to find a way to be useful. Given the current starting line-up, I’d say that rather than being a playmaker he should think of himself as a “glue” guy. Sometimes the team needs him to make a big pass, other times he needs to grab a couple of boards and then later they need him to make a big shot. He should stop thinking of himself as a specialist playmaker and start thinking of himself as a guy who can do a lot of different things well. If he does that on a regular basis I think the starting five will be really strong.

by DW19 on Jan 18, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

DAILY THOUGHT

1. We are doing far better than Detroit – and they brought in a cadre of new and expensive players;

2. Hedo was brought in for his versatile traits – as DW19 says above: I hope that ‘usefulness’ is a trait he develops to the max.

Last time I heard Hedo talk, he was complaining that he was at heart a PG having to do all this ‘other stuff’; This is not what I like to hear from a starting SF.

I am optimistic though; and would like to see Marcus Banks get some more playing time.

by Jenge on Jan 18, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Yes coach

DW19 states: “If the Raptors can continue their winning ways I think Turkoglu is a smart enough player to find a way to be useful” . In response, perhaps he is doing exactly what he needs to do which is get the ball to Bosh and Bargani. Bosh and Bargs probably like that and perhaps Triano as well. Perhaps he is doing what coach wants.

by RT... on Jan 18, 2010 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Turkuglu is doing everything needed from him, but score, just needs to take good shots and it will come, never a great shooter but needs to contribute more regularly.

by Johnn19 on Jan 18, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed . I like turk best when he just shoots threes and moves the ball the way he does. I don’t need to see him driving intraffic or bringing the ball up at all. Throw in some focused d like last night and he reminds me of Garbo…

by axl t on Jan 18, 2010 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe it's still too early...

…but I might start referring to Bargnani as the Barnyard Dog.

…or not?

by Kballer on Jan 18, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Love it ha ha…if he keeps playing at this level then that nickname is definitely going to slip into a recap at some point!

by Adam Francis on Jan 18, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Who are you people

And what have you done with the usual RaptorsHQ folks? Balanced and fair comments about Hedo’s strengths and weaknesses? I thought we were only allowed to kill him (and BC).

I read the whole transcript of the interview — I didn’t interpret it as complaining that he was a PG at heart having to do all this other stuff. I thought he was giving a frank assessment of why he’s not playing as well as he (and the fans) would like.

I’m not sure what people want the team’s #3 (or arguably #4) offensive option to be. But a guy who can hit the odd shot (though not lately), get to the line to slow down the opponent’s momentum, grab some boards and steals, dish some dimes and not turn the ball over much sounds pretty good to me. I’m glad someone mentioned Garbo because to me that’s exactly how I see him, except with a much better handle and ability to put it on the floor. And Garbo was one of my favorite Raptors ever.

Is he overpaid? Maybe a bit, and his contract’s probably 2 years longer than it would ideally be. But that’s what happens with free agents and non-glamour cities. Look at the Ben Gordon and Charlie V contracts — those are way way way way worse.

by Aaron Craig on Jan 18, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

By the way, I didn’t mean to suggest that Toronto isn’t a great city. It’s where I grew up and it’s my favorite place in the world. But for NBA free agents, there’s LA, NY, Phoenix, Miami, Orlando, maybe Chicago, maybe the Nets, depending on ownership/Brooklyn. Then there’s the 20 or so teams in the middle, including our Raptors. And then there’s Sacramento, Milwaukee, Minneapolis and Indianapolis.

by Aaron Craig on Jan 18, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

THAT IS IT!!! BLOW THIS TEAM UP!!!

Jose is a pylon on defense. Bosh is not a true leader. Bargs is terrible on the boards and a complete waste of a first pick. Turk is overrated. Derozan is under acheiving. The bench completely disappears for games at a time. It is time to face facts. What we need to do is blow this team u… What was that? Toronto just beat Dallas by how much??? Oh, then, we’re cool… for now. GO RAPS!

How was that A.C.? Make you feel better? ; )

by Posterized on Jan 18, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

$11M doesn't buy you much these days

Someone should make a list of all the mediocre-or-worse players making over $10M per year. There’s a bunch. Here’s a partial list: Baron Davis, Elton Brand, Peja, Shaq, T-Mac, Bogut, J-Rich, Michael Redd, Kenyon Martin, Eddy Curry, Agent Zero, Dalembert, Okafor, AK-47 . . . .

The number of lousy players making over $7M is mind-boggling (Gadzuric? Pryzbilla? Hinrich?)

by Aaron Craig on Jan 18, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Love Przybilla – definitely not a lousy player. Gadzuric on the other hand…

by Adam Francis on Jan 18, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Raps Around the League

Just scrolled through some boxscores on this holiday Monday

Kris Humphries is having a nice 17-6 effort as we start the 4th quarter 2 blocks away at the Staples Center, but of course the Nets are getting drilled.

Delfino has 11-9 but it looks like the Milwaukee UNs are going down in overtime

Matt Bonner is 0-fer against the Hornets in a limited role.

And finally, Nathan Jawai scored a basket during his 5 minutes of run in the T-Wolves/76ers game that’s close late.

by Aaron Craig on Jan 18, 2010 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

Jawai had a solid box score a few games ago too…although think Minny got blown out so it was probably in garbage time.

by Adam Francis on Jan 18, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m happy to see that jawai is able to play and has overcome the injury issues. He was definitely overhyped but still want to see the guy play well.

by dchoubak on Jan 19, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

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