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Despite the tough loss against the Celtics on Sunday the Raps have been playing quite well as of late. Last night the Raps were in Indiana looking to keep the good times running.

Instead the good times came to a sudden halt.

Star-divide

Well this was a game the Raps would like to have back.

Last night the Raps blew a very winnable game against the Indiana Pacers 105-101 despite being up by 23 in the second quarter.

Simply put the Raps should have destroyed this Pacers team and early in the game it looked like it was going to turn out that way. The starters for each team played to a draw and then the Raps bench absolutely took over.

In the second quarter the Raps bench squad was all over the floor and absolutely destroyed their counterparts. The defense was good, the offense was better and it looked like this game was over early. Actually, if it wasn't for Sonny Weems, Amir Johnson, Jose Calderon and even Rasho Nesterovic there is no telling how this game would have ended.

So how did the Pacers manage to get back into the game and then steal the W?

Well the answer to that is an easy one. The Raptors starters, in particular Hedo Turkoglu, just didn't come to play.

It was the starters who allowed the Pacers to get back into the game

It was the starters who didn't take advantage of the Pacers foul situation.

It was the starters who couldn't get the job done when the game was on the line.

Now It's hard to determine for certain why the Raptors starters played like it was 6 weeks ago. When they were re-inserted back into the game late in the second quarter they lacked energy, focus and did little on the defensive end to prevent the Pacers from going on a run.

When the teams came back out to start the second half nothing had changed. Rather than working the ball inside out the team settled for jumper after jumper. As the Raps continued to throw-up bricks the Pacers continued to chip away.

The excuse bandied about by Jack Armstrong and Matt Devlin? Fatigue.

With only two minutes gone in the second half Jack and Matt were pointing out how the starters were grabbing their shorts and looked gassed. For the next ten minutes the word "fatigue" was used about a dozen times to explain the Raps play.

I am not sure what the Raps do at half time but my guess is rest, get hydrated and discuss the game. Fatigued two minutes in? Gimme a break. I call that an excuse and a bad one at that. These guys are well conditioned professional athletes. Don't feed me Kraft Dinner and call it caviar.

The reality is the starters just played badly and did not execute. Their second field goal in the fourth quarter came with just 60 seconds left. Over and over they settled for outside jumpers. It wasn't pretty.

Just look at the box score and when you do take a good look at Hedo Turkoglu's line. Be forewarned however, it might bring back memories of Antoine Walker.

Hedo was, for the second straight game, a huge liability on the floor. His shot selection was questionable, his defense was completely non-existent and this was one of those nights when the +/- stat accurately tells a story. Hedo had a team worst -18 and he "earned" every negative point he managed to muster up. His play was so bad I was left wondering why he was even in the game down the stretch. Why not get some of the guys who manage to build the lead early back into the game?

At some point the Hedo that everyone expected (including Bryan Colangelo) better show up and show up on a consistent basis. Considering the limited production the team is getting from the 2 guard spot the team has to get production at the small forward position if they intend to continue to win games.

It wasn't just Hedo however. Andrea had a bad night from the floor, Jack was playing out of control and DeMar was a non-factor. Only Chris Bosh's 20 trips to the line are saving him from a scathing review.

All this being said this was just one game so it's important not to blow it out of proportion. During an NBA season there are nights where teams will have "lapses" like this. Hopefully that's all it is. The team can't let this be the catalyst to another losing streak.

Lucky for the Raps the schedule makers have given them all week to get back on track.

They better take advantage of the time.

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Listening to Jack and Devlin makes me Fatigued

AB tried but shot did not fall but the rebound total was really inflated first half dozen were uncontested. But Devlin made it out to something outstanding and Armstrong made it out that if Your shot was not falling do other things to help the team. I wish Armstrong would comment on the game instead of making it sound like a training film to new basketball fans. All said and done they are not half as bad as tommy from Boston who lost because the refs game the hawks the game lol

Looks like this could be the start of a 4 game losing streak.

by Davl on Jan 12, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

In the right place

Uncontested or not, he was in the right place. His rebounding is only positive I saw.

by Tinmann on Jan 12, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not to blow it out of proportion

At what point would it become fair to blow it out of proportion?
I put this loss directly on our “deer in the headlights head coach.”
Did he not see,that our starters were pooched? if not, did any of the 5 coaches not see it?
Why? while having 3 ball handlers on the floor was Bosh controlling the ball at the 3 point line?…that play negated any chance we had at a possible 3
As per Doug Smith saying that he was proud of JT not changing up his game,and decided not to go small…..thats all fine and dandy,but if you are not going to use your bigs inside whats the point…enough with the Bargs look offs…by Wright ? come on for f…..sakes.
I see a 3 game losing streak…the Knicks have a coach that isn’t afraid to nail someone’s ass to the bench when needed.

by d279 on Jan 12, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Such a ridiculous loss

Did anyone see Jay talk with the media after? Didn’t see a clip on Raptors.com…curious to see his explanations for the bizarre line-up combos to end the game.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 12, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You're not going to believe this Franchise

but Jay wasn’t all that upset about the loss. He thought we fought hard, was ok with all the jumpers and wouldn’t change a thing about how we played (and he coached). He thought the loss is simply the result of a few mistakes and not making enough shots.

Somewhere Sam Mitchell is smiling.

by Mistafitz on Jan 12, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jay's explanation

Jay doesn’t even make sense; he blames the back to back games. Says they didn’t have their legs in the second half.

They played at 1 pm Sunday. Besides Hedo and Rasho is anyone else over 30yr old? And
wouldn’t you play the bench more? Especially after the way they played in the second quarter.

P.S.
The TV, radio, newspaper guys never ask the tough questions of Jay at the post game press conference .When is someone from Raptor HQ gonna be back at the ACC asking real question and giving us the real deal.

by staylor on Jan 12, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We're back this month

I’m going to post a poll tomorrow to see which game readers want us to take in.

It drives me nuts too. I mean, back-to-back is the excuse? Like you said, this isn’t the Celtics or Spurs, teams that have a bunch of 35 year old warriors! And on top of it all, Rasho was one of Toronto’s most efficient players last night and yet didn’t see the court in the second half!

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 12, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Glad to hear that..

Not one media member that I heard questioned Jay about his rotation or the minutes he gave to certain players.

by staylor on Jan 12, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo poor Hedo

In my humble opinion, there may be something wrong with Hedo physicaly. He seems old and tired out there and yet he is only 30. The other thing is that he is always joking during the game, maybe since that doesn’t seem to working for him, perhaps he should take things more serious.
It is interesting that when Bargnani was played at the 3 last year, there was a lot of critzism that he was too slow to defend the 3 spot but there has not been a word about a guy 6 ft 10 (nearly Barg’s size) and probably slower in that position this year.

by RT... on Jan 12, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good point – Hedo has looked like he’s trapped in molasses…

It just blows my mind that Colangelo actually thought signing him to that huge contract was a GOOD idea…

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 12, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...

he eats too much pizza and drinks too much sprite before the game….

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jan 12, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thats a terrible ad…possibly as bad as bargnani and his pasta

by HDave on Jan 12, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Worse

Forget the acting and premise, but why does it look like it was filmed with a cell-phone camera from 2008???

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 12, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo probably responds the same way to Triano during games as he does in that Pizza Pizza commercial.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 12, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

game shape

The thing that scares me the most,is that if we think Hedo looks tired and not up to game shape,just wait till he comes into camp next year after the worlds!!!
Unfortunatly his game, is his game,no surprises,the problem is that we see the fat 53 million dollar contract and I agree was nuts in the first place…but you cant blame the man,what about blaming the man who offered it to him.
After every season its the same old same old…we need someone who can rebound and create his own shot….still waiting.
Hedo can create for others,but not for himself,but he would need the ball to do that.
At this point I dont see any suitors lining up for his services,in which we will on the hook long term,Jose will become the sacrificed one,he is the most tradeable player we have,and hopefully we can pick up a rebounder or someone who can create for himself…sometimes we need another ball hog(lack of a better word) to take over a game…until DD is ready,I dont know …

by d279 on Jan 12, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2 back-up point guards

It appears we have 2 back-up point guards and no starting point guard. Trade them both, get a real starting point guard and have Banks play the back-up spot. I’m done with both our PG clowns.

by even flow on Jan 12, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see one moved too to get a reliable wing…however BC has himself so boxed in now with the length of these deals. MAYBE you can move Jose – but for what? I was just playing around with the trade machine on ESPN and I can fathom ANY TEAM taking on Hedo, not to mention that BC is way too proud to admit at this stage that the Turk signing was a bad idea.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 12, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody’s taking Turk. Bosh is tough to trade because he’s we’re not going to get value for an expiring contract. Bargnani’s extension doesn’t kick in until next year. The only major contract we have that we could move is Calderon. Sadly, I have zero confidence that Colangelo would get the kind of player that we need (athletic 2 that can play some D). I could see Calderon traded, but I suspect we’d get something a little more along the lines of a Kevin Martin (jumpshooter, no defense), than anything we truly need.

These are the type of players that Colangelo has always valued and he’s loaded up on them as a result. Defense is an afterthought to him and it’s why this team is fatally flawed.

by Mistafitz on Jan 12, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, if Colangelo could get Kevin Martin for Jose Calderon, I’d be shocked. You’re talking about a guy, who in the five games he played this season, was putting up a PER of 25.33 (slightly behind Dwyane Wade and ahead of Kobe Bryant and Brandon Roy) and a True Shooting Percentage of .577. That would be a slight upgrade over starting rookie Demar DeRozan.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 12, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And he’d be a PERFECT fit too.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 12, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d agree that he’d be a nice fit if we weren’t saddled with a 30 year old, no defense, 40% shooting, lazy, pizza eating contract for the next 5 years.

Adding Martin to this group might manage to make our defense even worse; even with Jose’s removal.

We need someone that does alot of the things that Derozan does from an athletic standpoint, only better.

And you’re right DS. I doubt Sacramento would make this deal at this point. My point was that it’s the type of player that Colangelo goes after that’s at the root of the problem. To me, that’s the most frustrating part of all of this. It’s like 3 years ago when we all knew that defense and rebounding were an issue and then Colangelo turns around and throws money at Kapono. His rationale? If we make more shots, we won’t need to get more rebounds. THAT is the problem with this team. Until that gets corrected, we won’t contend for anything but a first round beating.

by Mistafitz on Jan 12, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So true. There is a correlation between rebounding and winning in the NBA — that’s a fact. I’m not sure why anyone would choose to go against the grain and build a team that failed to emphasize rebounding, if your goal is to truly compete for a championship?

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

8-3 IN LAST 11 GAMES

You know a trade will probably occur prior to deadline, how big who knows.But feel we are jumping the gun a little.

by Tinmann on Jan 12, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

an option?

I read this one on R.R …dont know if its even a remote possibility…
Calderon and DD for Igy and Holiday ?
I hate seeing trade scenarios but this one caught my attention….thoughts?

by d279 on Jan 12, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can’t see Philly doing it – maybe if Jose’s contract wasn’t so long as I know the 76ers are looking to cut costs…but this doesn’t help much in that way…

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 12, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I said this to Howland last night but I’d move Hedo for Jr. Dunleavy in a flash…maybe there’s a Jose trade to be made that puts him in Indy with TJ ha ha?

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 12, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s the over/under on the number of times we have the “I’d move Hedo for Player X in a flash” conversations in the next 4 years? Of course, after proposing a trade, you subsequently get hit with the reality that no GM in their right mind would trade for Hedo until the final year of his deal. And cue the depression…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 12, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This loss is so much on Jay that I couldn’t really sleep last night. I was just so angered at how mismanaged everyone’s minutes were and how he didn’t do ANYTHING to stem the tide in the 3rd quarter when EVERYONE on the floor looked gassed.

It’s one thing to say that it was a back-to-back and it’s another to trot out a bench that completely took over the game in the 2nd quarter only to never trot out the same lineup again for the rest of the game. I mean, come on. NO more minutes for Rasho after that absolutely great second quarter?

On back-to-backs, it’s really where the coaches earn their keep and just how Triano figures that he did everything he could completely blows my mind.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jan 12, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Here Here

Pretty sure that game didn’t help your health eh Vicious? It made me want to retreat to Mt. Sinai!

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jan 12, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just wanted to go back to bed after… URG. Good thing I PVRd it and just watched it in just over an hour.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jan 12, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen. His minute management was terrible, he didn’t use his timeouts appropriately, and he went away from the unit that got him the big lead. He either doesn’t have the confidence to go back to them with the game on the line, or he feels the pressure to play the big money guys. Either way, this loss was totally avoidable if he had just done his job decently…not well, decently.

by Mistafitz on Jan 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I did not agree with the Jay Triano extension

And it was mostly because I didn’t believe that the last little stretch at the end of last season was enough to judge him as the next full-time head coach. Now, he makes questionable calls and is as stubborn of a coach as Cito Gaston.

Hey Jay, the Jack-Calderon combo has failed multiple times. Also, the bench is there for a reason. USE IT!

by Frag on Jan 12, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

agree

You would have to assume that management were satisfied !!!! why in the f… did we agree to a three year deal…would a one year deal not be acceptable to JT?
Please !!!!!! offers were coming out of the woodwork?
The team USA invite was primarily JT ’s knowledge of the international game.

by d279 on Jan 12, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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