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Tip-In: Toronto Raptors Post-Game Report - The Litmus Test


After a 114 to 107 loss Sunday afternoon to the Boston Celtics, Franchise notes that despite the Raptors string of recent wins, yesterday's match shows that the Dinos still have a ways to go before being considered amongst the league's "elite."

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Drum roll please...

And the team that HQ readers would least like to face come playoff time is...

...the Boston Celtics!

After yet another loss to the C's yesterday afternoon at the ACC, perhaps this isn't much of a surprise. 

Toronto has now lost seven straight to the big, bad Celtics, and this team out of any other in the league perhaps, has had TO's number the past few seasons.

However my opening statement isn't simply in reference to this Boston dominance.

No, on Saturday, nearly 300 readers answered our poll question which alluded to potential Raptors first-round playoff opponents, and while I expected to see Atlanta as fans least preferred opponent, (Orlando was the most preferred receiving nearly 60% of the votes) it was Boston which took the cake with only 4% of readers looking forward to a Celtics-Raptors duel.

And of course, this was again backed up by yesterday's Toronto loss.

So is it that Toronto simply isn't as talented as Boston and regardless of how many times these teams play, the Raptors won't be able to get a W?

Or like that Hawks, are the Celtics simply a terrible match-up for the Raps, and it has little to do with "talent level?"

I'm going with the latter.

Yesterday's match, despite essentially a 10-point loss (Jack hit a meaningless 3-pointer near the buzzer), was in reality fairly close.  Looking over the box score both teams shot about the same percentages from the field although Toronto had the advantage at the free-throw line.  Boston was slightly better on the glass, but Toronto actually out-scored the Celtics on the break, and had more points in the paint, both stats that you don't often see from this Raptor club.

However Boston has several intangibles that in almost every game these teams have played the past few seasons, always seem to come out in crunch time; killer instinct and toughness.

Yesterday it was Rasheed Wallace, Rajon Rondo and even Paul Pierce who made clutch plays when their team needed it most to prevent Toronto from making game-winning runs.  Previously, we've seen the same thing from the likes of Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett and even Eddie House in this capacity.

Outside of Chris Bosh, the Raptors just haven't gotten that type of "clutchness" consistently from anyone on their roster.  Andrea and Hedo have shown flashes at times, and so have Jack, Belinelli and Calderon.  But against top tier teams like the Celtics, the Raptors need a lot more.

In fact, yesterday's match was perfect from a timing standpoint in my books.  While I didn't feel the Dinos played much worse than they did against the 76ers (in fact, you could easily argue that they played better), the game really showed the difference in effort and efficiency needed to beat a team like Boston.  For the second straight game, Bosh and Bargs led the charge with little help from the supposed third member of TO's "big 3," and while that was enough to get a W Friday against Philly, it wasn't yesterday afternoon against Boston.

Sunday's game also made me revist another poll question from last week, the one posted asking if readers felt that Toronto's secondary players were of a high enough calibre to help the team advance past the first round.  The results were an almost 50-50 split between those who thought they were, and those who felt the secondary options still needed an upgrade.

Again, yesterday there certainly wasn't enough secondary firepower, especially from TO's wings, and that's something that simply needs to be present if Toronto is hoping to consider itself on the same tier as the Boston's, Cleveland's, Atlanta's, and Orlando's of the East.

That's not to say though that it won't come.

DeMar DeRozan wasn't as effective offensively as he'd been in the previous games but he continues to show signs of progress.

And while I've been down on Hedo since day one, there's no denying that he does have the ability to be a game-changer...when he puts down the pack of smokes.

The loss to Boston was therefore perhaps a necessary one, a game that statistically was quite close but showed just how far TO still needs to come in terms of certain intangibles, especially considering that the Celtics were still missing two key players from their main rotation in Garnett and Marquis Daniels.

The Raps get one more shot at Boston in their fifth last game of the season.

My hope is that by then, this Raptors' club will have acquired a few more of these intangibles and thus finally be able to give the Celtics all they can handle.

Until then...on to the Pacers...

Yes, no rest for the weary as Toronto heads to Indiana to take on the beleaguered Pacers tonight in what can only be described as a "trap" game.

The Pacers have but 11 wins on the season and have had major issues at point guard but this is one the Raps definitely can't take lightly.  Instead of our usual 3 keys, I thought this morning we'd switch things up a bit and go with "3 Reasons Why Toronto Can't Sleepwalk Through This Match."

1)  Danny Granger's Back.

Simply put, Granger has given Toronto major headaches in the past.  It will likely be up to Hedo Turkoglu to keep Granger in check, an idea I'm not relishing considering Turk's recent play both on O and D, so hopefully Triano has some defensive schemes in mind to help on Hedo out without giving up the farm at other spots on the floor. 

2)  Match-Ups.

Indiana has been one of the least effecient offensive clubs in the league this year but they play at the second-fastest pace in the league.  Toronto has struggled with transition defence all season so what I don't want to see tonight is a fast-break fest that the Dinos are unable to slow down.  In addition to Granger being back in uniform, multi-position threats like Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy Jr. have returned as well and former Raptors' draft pick Roy Hibbert has been doing a very good job manning the 5 spot.  These players all have the potential to give TO problems so the Raps need to come in focussed and ready to get the job done.

3)  Back-to-back.

Perhaps enough said here as fans know all too well about TO's struggles in this capacity this season.  Bargs and Bosh have played big minutes of late and carried the club so tonight the Raps' bench needs to give the team a big lift.  Indiana doesn't exactly have a wealth of depth on its bench so this is an area where the Raps need to take advantage.

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Bosh

Unlike a lot of people, I don’t have anything against Bosh. In fact, I think he’s an impressive player.

But he seems to have far less impact on winning and losing than any other player I’ve ever seen who puts up the kind of numbers he puts up.

He just does not seem to be the “difference-maker” in terms of results that other players of his calibre with his stats seem to be.

Does anybody understand why that is? Serious question. As I said I’ve got nothing against the guy.

by teamd on Jan 11, 2010 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

The issue is defence. Bosh can’t anchor an elite defence the way someone like Garnett can. You can’t surround him with players who are sub-par defensively and expect him to elevate their play (see Ray Allen in the Celtics system, for example).

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 11, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Intangibles

Some of the intangibles do no have anything to do with “talent”. It takes some times to get used to play this kind of games (playoff like). The two Raptors with better experience at this kind of games are Calderon and Belinelli (Bargnani to a lesser extent) and yesterday it showed. They got used to carry their teams to multiple playoffs in Europe hence they have more experience than other in playing in that kind of intensity. It is nobody’s fault if Rasheed, Allen, Pierce are ten years older than the Dino’s counterparts. They are also the leader of their team and the younger players there follow the example. There is no shame in loosing against them due to “intangibles” (although the lack of contribution by Turk was VERY tangible).
It is a step, it showed that while there is a way to go, there is not an ocean to be crossed

by renato on Jan 11, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

HUH? I would think the Raptors with the most meaningful playoff experience are Turk and Antoine Wright. European experience means nothing in the NBA as it is a completely different game (want further proof, see Brandon Jennings who was a back up who barely played in Europe but looks very good over here).

by McGateway on Jan 11, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

you are so wrong

In term of being able to handle the pressure of big games it does. We were discussing intangibles.

by renato on Jan 11, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

True we were discussing intangibles but I do not think that Calderon and Belinelli have that much more playoff experience than the American players do (final 4 tourneys are quite intense). Calderon and Belinelli have very little NBA playoff experience and that counts for a lot more in the NBA than European playoffs or NCAA playoffs do.

by McGateway on Jan 11, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

and you would know it because....

In any case we were not discussing playoffs here, we are talking about having the mental toughness of bringing it in big games like yesterday one, like the playoffs. Calderon and Belinelli (ANdrea to a lesser extent) are way more experienced than, all other Raptors (Turk excluded) about bringing it in a live or death game in front of 20.000 people.

McGatewy, please read what I say, I am not saying the European level is higher than the NBA one, never the less, “prime time” experience is something you can carry over, there is not doubt Neither Marco’s nor Jose’s hands were shaking yesterday (neither Andrea’s to be fair)

by renato on Jan 11, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And what I am trying to convey is that what you are saying simply isn’t true. How many Euro games have Calderon and Belinelli played? The Italian league plays 30 games a season so it is a lot easier to play day in day out there as opposed to 82 games in the NBA. Jose has had only one season where he played every game and for about half of that he was the backup. Belinelli has never played more than 42 games in his brief NBA career. I am not trying to put down the Euros, I am only saying that your position has no basis in fact. To say that the games in Europe are any more intense for young players than they are over here doesn’t make any sense.

by McGateway on Jan 11, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally disagree Renato.

McGateway has it bang on here and in fact, I’d argue that players who’ve had success in the NCAA’s annual March Madness tourney have more experience under pressure than most players who’ve played in any other format of Europe or NBA playoffs.

However I do agree that the age issue is a factor here. As we’ve mentioned on the site before, this team’s leader is supposed to be Bosh but he’s miles away from having the veteran experience of most of the Celtics’ best. That’s something that’s just going to take time to change…and hopefully CB4 will be around to help in that regard…

by Adam Francis on Jan 11, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Maurizio Gherardini

you two guys do not have much experience of European Basketball, as players ( of elite teams) do not just play their own league but also the euroleague every Wednesday, with it’s own tournament and playoffs at the end.
Sorry Franchise, but your statement about NCAA guys having plaid March madness being more used the pressure totally off. Since you have media access, I would suggest not to take my word for it. Try to ask Maurizio Gherardini who has experience of both worlds.

by renato on Jan 11, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

depth less of a problem

In your survey on whether the second unit was strong enough to take us to the second round of the playoffs, I voted that they were. But it’s a flawed answer, because I think in fact our first unit is the problem. The second unit is a solid second unit. The starters are not quite good enough, especially with 3.5 of the 5 (Turk, Andrea, DD, and Calderon when he starts) being inconsistent. Much of this can be addressed, by continuing to start Jack, by developing DD and Andrea’s talent. But Turk is on the down-slide, not the upswing. Serious weakness that can’t be traded away.

I guess if I’m in BC’s place I try to get a real small forward through the draft (maybe even trade for a higher draft pick), someone with big upside who will develop to replace Turk as he ages out.

by benjibopper on Jan 11, 2010 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

I actually think that Turk is untradable right now. You would be better off bring in another SF and bringing Turk off the bench (much like Gino in SA) where I think he can still have a positive impact.

by McGateway on Jan 11, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

who starts

I agree ,lets bring Hedo off the bench,but who do we play him with? our 8/9 million dollar back up, or JJ?
Hedo was starting to come around while playing with JJ.
Having said that,lets bring back el matador and let JJ shoot spot up 3’s with Hedo

by d279 on Jan 11, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I like this idea of bringing Hedo off the bench…although I’m sure it will never happen unfortunately…

by Adam Francis on Jan 11, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not untradeable if a required part of a Bosh deal

Was just playing around on trade machine and the following works and might be attractive to both sides:

Bosh & Turkoglu to the Lakers for Bynum, Odom, Walton and Shannon Brown. Although Hollinger’s analysis gives the Raps twelve less projected wins, and the Lakers 8 more, I think this is a move that would at least get both sides listening, and it’s one with an eye to the future. And if you want intangibles, players from a championship winning team should provide a sufficient amount.

by HQ Interloper on Jan 11, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Although I am sure that LA would be interested in acquiring Bosh, there is no way they would want to take on Turks contract and give up Odom. If you cut Odom and Turk out of the deal and switch Brown to Farmar and you might have something.

by McGateway on Jan 11, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Apologies

Maybe should have been more clear on that question – what I meant was not depth, but the “secondary scorers” in the starting line-up – aka, the Hedos, Andreas, DeRozans and Calderons of the team. (Or Jacks if he sticks in the starting unit.)

Like you, I believe the fatal flaws in this team’s construction lie therein.

by Adam Francis on Jan 11, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

About referees and calls

I am puzzled about the calls we are seeing lately. Bosh was called for letting Wallace fall on a post move and there have been other obvious bad calls. The minute you offer opinions on refereeing , there are always those who jump to their defence and I realize you are going to get bad calls but is there a review system by the league on what is happening with the whistles this year?

Another thing about refereeeing, it would interesting to know how much of a game in terms of minutes that we watch these millionaires stand around the key shooting foul shots. Don’t know about you but there is not a lot of entertainment in watching foul shooting. Hockey fans laugh at basket ball because you have this bunch of big sissies that whine and complain about touch fouls. No wonder the hockey fans call it a whimp sport.

I think they need to let them play

by RT... on Jan 11, 2010 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

as opposed to hockey players and coaches who whine about every call in a game? Have you actually ever watched a hockey game? No one in hockey every commits a penalty according to the players on the ice. Sorry but just because hockey players dont get to shoot at an empty net after every foul (i bet that would cut down all the hooking and grabbing that goes on) doesn’t mean they are tougher.

by McGateway on Jan 11, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

2nd Unit CAN GIVE US WINS

I have seen this Unit really amped up in a couple of games. I Think its time for Triano to ‘brand them’ with some unifying hot iron…

Jose;
Weems/Banks;
Bellinelli;
Turkoglu;
Amir

I would personally start the 3rd Quarter with them, and perhaps some major burn in the mid second. Fourth Q depends on the stank of ‘the others’
This mix may be a bit mercurial; but I liked them… plus it takes Turk out of the starting lineup – he doesn’t have the confidence of the faithful yet…. and its time to start playing people (not contracts)….

by Jenge on Jan 11, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Hedo

I don’t know how much I hate your shooting ability and shot selections

by elpikiman on Jan 11, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

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