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The Raptors Starting 2-Guard and Rotation

As a means of killing time and fending off the mandatory off-season boredom, I thought a look at the likely starters for the Toronto Raptors, as well as the rotation behind them, would be a good exercise.

We know some things right off the bat...

The starting lineup will look like this:

PG: Jose Calderon
SG: ?
SF: Hedo Turkoglu
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Andrea Bargnani

The backup PG spot is pretty solid as well, with Jack taking all those minutes.

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To do this properly, we need an estimation of how many minuted each player will be playing at each position.  We'll start with some numbers I've guestimated, and the discussion can take it from there.

PG: Jose Calderon (32), Jack (16)
SG: ?
SF: Hedo Turkoglu (34)
PF: Chris Bosh (36)
C: Andrea Bargnani (36)

I've allocated 32 minutes to Jose because I think that's the minimum he should be playing as a starter, and he has shown he is more effective in limited minutes, so best of both worlds there.  34 for Hedo, since he's not getting any younger, and the standard (not Mitchell-overworked) 36 starter minutes for AB and CB.

That leaves 48 SG minutes, 14 SF minutes, and 24 big minutes to be played.

The Bigs

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The bigs question, to me, is simple: is Amir Johnson ready for full-time backup duties.  If he has developed his defensive game so he can hold position and rebound without fouling excessively like in the past, he becomes the ideal energy backup to match with either of our two finesse bigs.  His difficulties in the past have been primarily associated with not being able to stay in the game.

So, the backup C and PF are simple: ideally, play Amir for as many minutes as possible, until he fouls out.  Then play Rasho at C and Reggie at PF whenever the starters need a breather.  Our resultant rotation is:

PG: Jose Calderon (32), Jack (16)
SG: ?
SF: Hedo Turkoglu (34)
PF: Chris Bosh (36), Amir Johnson (12)
C: Andrea Bargnani (36), Amir Johnson (12)

The Wings

Our candidates (for this exercise) are Demar Derozan (~16 minutes per game, from Jay Triano), Antoine Wright (defensive specialist and past starter), Marco Belinelli (offensive specialist), and Jarrett Jack (needs more minutes than just backup PG).  This means I am ignoring Weems, Banks, and Douby, because I only see them being used in extreme cases (say, GSW goes all 5-guards on us) or in case of injury.

The obvious answer is to state that Jay has said that DeRozan will likely be starting, but let's leave this open, because he has also said the spot will ultimately be determined in training camp and preseason.

I believe the real question here is not who starts at the 2 (and why) but who backs up the 3. 

Jack and Belinelli are out of the question for this, so it comes down to whether DD or AW should back up Hedo.

Wright brings a solid defensive game, with little ball-handling skills and little offensive game.  DeRozan brings athleticism, rebounding, and a solid mid-range game, but is a mystery on defense and has no NBA experience.

So, two scenarios:

A) Jay decides DeRozan can handle full-time backup duties at the 3 better than time at the 2, due to his penchant for the offensive board, his somewhat limited handles, and his lack of a long-range game.

B) Jay decides that DeRozan cannot play the 3 effectively, forcing Wright to take all the backup SF minutes.

Scenario A

PG: Calderon (32), Jack (16)
SG: ?
SF: Turkoglu (34), Derozan (14)
PF: Bosh (36), Johnson (12)
C: Bargnani (36), Johnson (12)

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This gives Derozan roughly the minutes originally allocated to him by Jay, and leaves 48 mintes to split between Jack, Wright, and Beli at the 2.  Beli, to me, seems to be a great fit with the second unit, as a sixth-man offensive boost.  Jack should not be started, as he should be fresh coming into the game when Calderon needs a rest.  As such, the rotation I ended up with is this:

PG: Calderon (32), Jack (16)
SG: Wright (20), Belinelli (18), Jack (10)
SF: Turkoglu (34), Derozan (14)
PF: Bosh (36), Johnson (12)
C: Bargnani (36), Johnson (12)

The minute allocations are as above because I see Wright being used similarly to how DeRozan may be used, for 8 minutes at the start of each half, to set the tone defensively, plus a few minutes at the end of the 4th quarter to slow down the Wades and LeBrons when they are ripping us to pieces in crunch time.

Jack gets 10 minutes at the 2 to round out his expected (by me) 26 minutes per game, allowing Beli to play solid minutes off the bench.

The reason I like this rotation is that the Wing pairings could conceivably be Hedo/Wright and Belinelli/DeRozan, if they are subbed at the same times.  This would maintain a ball-handler/defender aspect to the wings, allowing continuity of roles in plays throughout the game.  The first unit gets an upgrade defensively, and DeRozan still has no pressure to score (since he is playing alongside Beli) and less pressure to be able to defend the top players, as he'll be playing second-stringers, probably with a defensive substituation happening up front at the same time he comes into the game.

Scenario B

PG: Calderon (32), Jack (16)
SG: ?
SF: Turkoglu (34), Wright (14)
PF: Bosh (36), Johnson (12)
C: Bargnani (36), Johnson (12)

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This is the scenario most fans seem to be gravitating towards, and it does seem the most likely.  In this case, Derozan gets the nod to start, Wright takes a few SG minutes, and the following rotation is likely.

PG: Calderon (32), Jack (16)
SG: DeRozan (16), Belinelli (18), Jack (10), Wright (4)
SF: Turkoglu (34), Wright (14)
PF: Bosh (36), Johnson (12)
C: Bargnani (36), Johnson (12)

Conclusion

There's not really a conclusion here, except to say that I really prefer Scenario A, where Wright starts at the 2.

Please feel free to comment on minute allocations, rotations, or just how much of a fool I am.  This really was just supposed to be a conversation starter.

Poll
So... Scenario A or B? Or a third option, perhaps Belinelli starting? Jack? Weems???
Scenario A (Wright starts)
51 votes
Scenario B (DeRozan starts)
51 votes
Other (Please indicate in comments)
10 votes

112 votes | Poll has closed

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I like how you’ve analyzed this. I’m not completely convinced that Johnson will get the entire 24 min but I’ll play along.

The poll is kind of hard to do because it really depends on how DD does on defense in the 2 vs 3. It’s really a matter of which position he’s better at and then the minutes you outline will go accordingly. So I haven’t voted yet.

by siggian on Sep 2, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Johnson has the potential to earn the entire 24 minutes. Early on in the season I expect he will be played sparingly until he shows enough in practice and on the floor to warrant the major minutes I expect from him towards the end of the year.

by dhackett1565 on Sep 3, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Johnson

His career foul rate is about 6.5 per 36 minutes

Despite his high foul rate in 2007-08 he had the 3rd highest on court production of all Pistons players and last season he had the highest. (see 82games.com)

Last season M. Curry basically had Johnson on a 2 foul per half and 4 foul per game limit, not the league allowed 6 fouls.

Since he will be coming off of the bench what difference does it make if he commits 1 foul in 15 – 20 minutes or 5 fouls in 15 – 20 minutes as long as the Raptors are consistently plus in the plus/minus column while he is on the court.

How the team plays when he is on the court vs how they play when he is not should be the criteria to be used to determine whether he plays, not how many fouls he commits while he is out there.

by Buddahfan on Sep 3, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Like I said, I’d have him out there until he fouls out.

by dhackett1565 on Sep 3, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

What incentive does he have to not foul if he won’t be benched?

by bigweeze on Sep 7, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he fouls out in 3 minutes, he’s not gonna see a lot of floor time.

I’d like to see him use his six fouls throughout the game (something I’d like to see more of from Bosh as well) as hard fouls to stop the layup line other teams have so often.

by dhackett1565 on Sep 7, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem isn’t that we aren’t fouling hard. It would be that everybody just stands around and watches.

Sending people to the line for 2 foul shots (or 2 +1 foul shot) where they shoot 70% is horrible strategy. You want them to NOT score. Guys just need to learn to effectively alter shots without fouling.

by bigweeze on Sep 7, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scenario A

I agree with Scenario A but I would give some minues to Evans probably subtracting them from Johnson especially against teams with heavier front lines.

by Buddahfan on Sep 3, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Scenario B. I would even increase DeRozan’s minutes later in the November depending on how he plays. November is shaping up to be their toughest month and if he performs well at least for the first 10 games, I would lock him in.

by Mike Klander on Sep 4, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, quite the split in the poll!

I’d be interested to know what ‘other’ lineups people are envisioning.

by dhackett1565 on Sep 4, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Throughout the season, with injuries, fouls, tempers, hangovers, bad shooting nights, families, etc., Triano will be busy just to sort out who will bring their best legs to the game. Maintaining the right blend, team chemistry, determination to win and adequate conditioning will allow the ball players to exhibit their professionalism, either they have it or they do not. You have to earn your minutes on the court, not because of who you are.

by Richard L on Sep 5, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

B

From what I’ve read and watched I’d like for him to start. He got some skills.

by 420man! on Sep 9, 2009 4:54 AM EDT reply actions  

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