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Sources: Toronto Raptors looking to deal away Carlos Delfino | ESPN
NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Monday that the Raptors are actively trying to move swingman Carlos Delfino in a sign-and-trade arrangement. One option that has materialized, sources said, is a deal with the Milwaukee Bucks on a swap that would send Delfino to the Bucks for power forward Amir Johnson, which would require Delfino to agree to terms on a new deal spanning at least two years.
Doug Smith's Toronto Raptors blog
Smith reports that, according to league sources, the Raptors are about to finalize a trade that could send swingman Carlos Delfino and point guard Roko Ukic in a two-for-two deal with the Milwaukee Bucks. Young big man Amir Johnson is headed to Toronto but the other component of the deal remains unknown. It's unclear when the deal will be official but it could be done as early as today or tomorrow.
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...Mbah a Moute
oh man I hope the second Bucks player is Mbah a moute. Very raw but a nice project player who could play some back up minutes at the 3.
by WinnipegRaptorFan on Aug 17, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
Unless the Buck’s entire head office has collectively dropped dead from a heart attack and has been replaced by a closet Raptor’s fan, there’s no chance he will be included in the deal.
The other player will be a non-entity who was unlikely to receive playing time there and will not play much here either. Think POB in terms of quality.
His only season in Toronto in 2007-08 was Delfino’s best season stateside
Sigh.
Also: would it injure columnists at ESPN if they had to describe Colangelo’s summer efforts as “an attempt to improve his team” as opposed to “an attempt to keep Chris Bosh”? I don’t know BC personally but I feel like I may have a better guess as to which his higher priority is…
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Yeah Moute is a dream I admit, but I like to dream…
If Carlos is 5M and knowing Roko is 1.35 M. Amir Johnson is 3.6M.
Thus 6.35 – 3.6 = 2.75M
Joe Alexander is 2.58M. I think Joe Alexander is the fourth player in that deal.
The other meaningless options would make the bucks take a 2M hit in salary on the deal and they are closer to the tax than we are.
by WinnipegRaptorFan on Aug 17, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions
I’m not so sure that Carlos will be at 5.
Nevertheless, I think you are correct with Joe Alexander. The other possibilities are Sonny Weems and Walter Sharpe if Carlos comes in at 4 to 4.5.
Joe Alexander was a pretty high pick. I’m not sure if they give him up yet.
I’m happy with the acquisition of Amir Johnson and scrub player to be named later. Doesn’t matter if the second player is the Bucks’ equipment manager — I think this is a great deal.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Aug 17, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Really hoping it's Alexander personally.
I think he’s going to be a great NBAer. But I agree that Mil might not want to part ways with him so early.
Confused
I think your prediction as some serious merit.
1) If rumors were a reasonable ballpark, he was never going to get higher then 5 mill from us.
If Milwaukee is even closer to the luxury tax then we are, its a good bet they can’t / won’t pay him more.
Siggian’s prediction of a lower base salary is possible, if only because as the NBA market dries up, Delfino loses leverage. Secondly, having Olympiacos sign up Kleiza and Von Wafer takes away the main European competition for NBA players (in terms of overpayment).
2) Milwaukee was trying to give away Ridnour and Alexander in a package for expirings around the deadline. They must’ve soured on Alexander pretty quickly, since lotto picks are usually off-limits in trades for purely financial reasons.
3) Amir Johnson is first and foremost an expiring contract. The type that the Bucks shipped Jefferson out for. Why in the world would they send him out and in return take Delfino (since its a S & T deal, it has to be for a minimum of two years) and Ukic who has two more years to go as well. Alexander’s contract is the only one in the desired range for a non-core player. Warrick and Ilyasova were both signed this summer, so can’t be traded anyway.
In general,
-we have just used one of our only options available to add salary for this season, without trading equivelent salaries off of our current roster.
-If maximizing space in 2010 is an issue, why make this move at all. Your would have more cap space available by just leaving Delfino unsigned, then you would by acquiring Amir Johnson.
-If its purely a case of trading for Amir Johnson and salary filler…Amir is only signed for one more year. Since he’s on the last year of his second contract in the NBA he’s a free agent afterwards and we don’t have his Bird Rights to give us an edge in resigning him (at least I don’t think so). Combine that with the fact that PLENTY of teams will have capspace in 2010. Relatively unproven players that can be had on the cheap (like Warrick this year) will be at a premium. Not to mention, I’m not sure how many skinny power forward minutes there are to be had, on a team when you play behind one of the NBA’s best.
-I think this deal is about Alexander, BC must think he can groom his raw talents in a pressure-free environment behind Turkoglu. And if he turns out he can play the tweener 3-4 role that some of us have been clamoring for.
Bird Rights are transferred in a trade from my understanding. The Raptors do not need to maximize contract for the 2010 off season because Bosh is their guy. If they don’t resign him, then they’ll have space to sign someone else.
And as for Johnson, he’s a good roleplayer and another large body to toss in there behind Nesterovic and Evans. We’ve talked about the need for one more “size” player and he’s a good one. I’m not so sure just how much “extra cap space” there will be. If the cap falls by a few million as predicted, that will squeeze a lot of mid-range to low-ranged players. A lot of teams are “freeing up space” by having expiring contracts for 2010, but all those players will be looking for contracts. Money will still be spent around the league and the top stars will get top dollar… But mid to low range players will be floating around. I’m sure there will be bargains to be had, but the Raptors will still have a few expiring contracts for next year and will also have the MLE again next summer.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Aug 17, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said Vicious D.
I mixed up acquiring a player with one year left with signing a new player for a one year deal.
Maximizing wa a poor choice of words. There will be yearly contract increases which make added space under the cap a good thing to have. My point is null and void in light of the new information regarded Weems instead of Alexander. If we choose, we can decline Weems option year, and leave this deal having added no 2010 salary, while also having subtracted Ukic’s 2010—2011 deal.
Since Johnson’s Bird Rights transfer to us, this deal could workout very well if he blows up in his one season with. Of course that would require more then just token minutes behind Rasho and Evans. I’ll agree there was a need for one more “size” player, but Amir Johnson seems like overkill for fifth big status. I just wanted someone who could cover some center, and ensure that POB never sees the light of day.
Has Johnson bulked up to the point where he could cover some center? He could steal some minutes from Rasho and Evans if the opposing team is playing small ball with their bench. In a bench role, I would slot him behind Rasho and Evans. Should Bosh or Bargs get injured however, I’d slot him AHEAD of Rasho and Evans. Could he be the new Hump? BC seemed content to have Evans and Hump duke it out for minutes in training camp when Kapono was traded.
Johnson + Alexander
This strikes me as another of BC’s ‘something for nothing’ trades. Ukic is logjammed by Jack and Calderon, Delfino by Bellinelli. DeRozan and Turk – so in both cases we have assets that are not useful to us moving out.
The question for me is; what is the second component of the trade? (I share the hope it is Joe Alexander), and what is Amir Johnson like?
What I know about him would fit into a shoebox and leave room for the shoes.
Amir Johnson has shown flashes in limited minutes with Detroit (although he appeared to take a step backwards last season). That being said, he is heading into his 5th season yet is still only 22 years old. The term ‘upside’ does apply… He probably pushes Reggie Evans for backup minutes… And if it doesn’t work out, he comes off the books next summer.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Aug 17, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
A includes a summary of Amir Johnson’s summer league exploits.
http://www.brewhoop.com/2009/8/5/953023/vegas-redux-jennings-meeks-and
Sonny Weems
ESPN just confirmed that Weems is, in fact, the second player included in the deal. Sorry to disappoint all you Joe Alexander fans:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4404309&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Aug 17, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
Douby
What does the acquisition of Weems mean for Douby? I don’t think this team needs both.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Aug 17, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
Weems gets cut or moved
Howland, I thought the exact same thing when I read that Weems was the fourth player.
I suspect Weems might be cut or moved again. If in fact Delfino is around the 5M number then using my previous math, 6.35 – (3.6 +.78) = 1.97M. So even cutting and eating Weems’ contract we free up about 2M we could spend on a free agent and still remain below the tax..i believe…I’m no capologist. If Delfino is closer to 4M we have a minimum value contract to offer.
This I think ends any chanse of Pops coming back to the raps. Even if there is money our front court is full now with Bosh,Bargs,Rasho,Evans,Amir,POB. I would love to be in training camp to see Evans, Amir and Rasho beat up on Bosh and Bargs. Our bench gets nastier and nastier…we need a good nickname for our bench.
by WinnipegRaptorFan on Aug 17, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Douby
I’d like to see him waived, as Banks is actually good enough for 3rd string PG, especially with Belinelli and Turk available for ball handing duties. Plus I’d rather have Weems’ size, defense, and potential than Douby, who is older, smaller, and has almost certainly peaked at his end-of-the-bench role.
Oh, and Douby is non-guaranteed, whereas Weems is fully guaranteed (until next summer).
Could open up a spot for a serviceable backup SF such as Ime Udoka or Joey. Neither of these guys would hurt the team, especially with Wright and possibly Derozan able to play the 3.
by dhackett1565 on Aug 17, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Weems
Doesn’t Weems address the need for a backup 3? His bio reminds me a lot of Joey Graham – a physical freak but with raw offensive/defensive skills.
Wouldn’t quite compare Weems to Graham, if only because Joey’s defining characteristic was great strength for his size. Remember those battles with Dwight Howard in the post. Pound for pound, he’s in the running for strongest Raptor ever. At the same time, I can’t think of any recent Raptors who’ve had that kind of raw atheticism at the SG spot. In general, I’d say he sounds somewhat similar to Rodney Carney when he came out of Memphis, except with less range
If he’s still 6’6, and around 200 pounds I can’t see Weems playing any three. I think Wright would get all those backup minutes by default. I agree with you on not really having any one skill to hang his hat on. Hopefully, this means we can mold him to suit the needs of the team, and have him focus exclusively on those required skills during a practice, and D-league assignments.
Trying to imagine why Milwaukee would want to do this trade. Even if we had Delfino under contract, I would swap him for Johnson in a heartbeat.
Roko
I don’t think we can discount Roko’s value here. Before Jack most Raps fans were optimistic about him making some good progress this year. Bucks management obviously feels like he has some value and he likely does. Given they are losing Sessions getting a young PG with upside is not a bad thing.
Besides the Bucks are going to win anything other than the greatest number of lottery balls this season.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Aug 17, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it sounds like Roko’s the only player in the deal with the potential to start on a good team. Not to say that he will, but the other three are much less likely.
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by Back In Black on Aug 17, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only person in the world that thought Joe Alexander was a beneficiary of the latest panic syndrome of the nba: The “Had One Great Draft Camp” Syndrome. I’m sure Joe Alexander is a great athlete but I am much more relieved that Sonny Weems is the player to be named later.
I think with Weems, if the team decides to keep him, there will be a lot of three guard offense with the bigger ones playing the “3” which could fall in line with a more Euro style game, given that we have so many of them too. Hell even if the Raps don’t keep him they may still run a three guard offense.
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re: Weems
Weems sounds like an athletic, let raw SG option. He played last season for the Colorado 14er’s of the NBDL. He has one year of NBDL eligibility remaining, so he can get reps in Iowa, with periodic callups when injuries strike. I would speculate that with Ukics Euroleague experience, he’d think a D-league assignment was beneath him. Weems should be more humble, since he’s less accomplished, and the team holds the 2010 option on his contract. And if he stays up here, he is the only wing on the team that can match up to the raw athleticism of DeRozan. This could make for some good battles in practice battles.
As a side note, its neat that we traded away Jawai who was drafted 41st overall in 2008, and picked up Weems who went 39th in the same draft. It’s possible that he was on BC’s radar back then, and came into town for pre-draft workouts.
A nice move by BC I think, doing carlos a favour really and bringing in some insurance at power forward. It’s funny, every single guy in this trade seems like they could really develop if they could really get a lot of minutes. Not that that necessarily is going to happen.
I would like to see roko play most though, he came over for that chance… then we replaced him. A few years of seasoning, I still think he’ll be good.
Glad we’re not getting delfino back, he always frustrated the hell out of me.
Not that he is the worst player in the deal, but I think Delfino is the least attractive player in the deal given his contractual demands and that he requires a 2+ year deal to S&T.
He’s capable but not a potential core piece, and extremely replacable – even for a team that actually needs him. So there’s no point in locking him up for very long as he’ll either take PT away from your youngsters or be a drain on your payroll that needs to be traded.
I would have liked for us to keep Ukic and give him some burn, but he clearly fell out of favour with BC. Shame..
Given what seems to have happened at the summer league, I guess that Ukic did not make the progress that the Raptors had hoped for. With Douby passing him in terms of depth, Ukic was probably not getting much burn with the Raptors so trading him made complete sense. I don’t think we need to fear that Ukic will become anything more than a backup pg, if he even achieves that.
When Delfino was on, he was very good but consistency was not his hallmark.
Love the move by BC. This team was lacking a solid athletic back up at the 4/5. Bringing in Johnson is totally different look that what Bargnani or Rasho brings. He can counter some of those long athletic rebounders that gave us so much problems last years.
Secondly, it can’t be overstated the infusion of youth that BC has given this team. Despite being a ways away last year, we didn’t have much young talent to be hopeful about. Now with DeRozan, Belinelli, and Johnson, we’ve got a group of guys with tremendous upside potential.
Interesting move by the Raps
I’m not sure they had anything to lose by doing this.
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Kelly Dwyer link that probably says it all:
It’s not that Milwaukee made a bad deal, here. It’s just that Toronto made a very good one. Johnson and newly-acquired Reggie Evans(notes) will provide carom insurance that is badly needed on a team full of long rebound-creators, and as promising as Ukic looked at times, his bottom line just wasn’t worth Toronto’s time.
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