One Rasho Down, One Delfino to Go
Yesterday evening the news all of Raptor-nation expected became official - Rasho Nesterovic is once again a Toronto Raptor. Franchise gives a few quick thoughts...
If you were a betting man, and had to pick one transaction this offseason that you felt Bryan Colangelo was sure to make, my guess is that your money would be on Toronto either retaining the services of Carlos Delfino, or bringing back Rasho Nesterovic.
Now that the latter has happened we wait to see if the former comes through as well.
It was announced last night that Rasho agreed to a one-year deal with the Dinos worth essentially the bi-annual exception ($1.9M) thus giving Toronto some much-needed depth behind Andrea Bargnani at the center position. Now, with 14 of the 15 spots on the Raps' roster filled, we wait on Carlos Delfino.
In terms of the Rasho deal, there's really not much to dislike about the signing.
-It ensures an efficient offensive and defensive option behind Andrea Bargnani should he get into foul trouble,
-The deal ends after this season so if Rasho shows his age he doesn't represent another dead-weight contract,
-If the luxury tax limit drops by a large amount, Toronto isn't left holding the bag either with this deal the following season
-It gives Toronto a legit 7-footer with bulk to go up against the Shaqs and Howards of the East
-And maybe more importantly, the move, as the Arsenalist mentions this morning ensures that "there was a zero chance of Patrick O'Bryant touching a basketball during non-garbage time."
All in all a solid piece to the puzzle especially considering the dwindling quality of "big men" left on the open market.
So what about Count Chocula?
It sounds from The Toronto Star like negotiations are ongoing so it wouldn't surprise me to see this deal done in the next week or so. I maintain that getting a wing with the ability to get to the hoop and defend his position is paramount for this team and aside from personal favourite Von Wafer, Delfino looks to be the best remaining option out there. (Unless you're still of the mindset that Gerald Green is about to break out.)
However Toronto could foreseeably go in a slightly different direction.
Jarrett Jack will undoubtedly play some 2 and perhaps Hedo will as well since this was a role he took on at times in the playoffs for Orlando. And with the way that DeMar DeRozan played in Vegas, perhaps he's indeed more NBA-ready than was originally believed.
If that's the case, maybe a Hakim Warrick, who recently saw his offer from the Grizzlies withdrawn, could be worth a look? I've always felt that he was an underrated player and while not a "slasher," he would be a nice boost at the 3-4 from a rebounding and athleticsm standpoint.
He'll probably be far too expensive in the end but both he and Linas Kleiza are now waiting for the phone to ring.
Athletic types like Desmond Mason and Rodney Carney are in the same boat.
And defensive grinders like Keith Bogans, Ime Udoka, James Singleton and Mario West might be had for cheap as well as various undrafted types considering the NBA economy.
Personally I'd love to see this team buy-out Patrick O'Bryant to open up another spot on the roster that could be used for a serviceable player (ahem, Pops,) but that doesn't seem likely at the moment.
And the reality is that the core of this team is already set with Bosh, Bargs, Hedo, Jose, Jack, Evans, DeRozan and Nesterovic.
If Toronto can't add Delfino to make this a solid nine-some, anyone else they do bring in will probaby be spending a lot more time next to Marcus Banks then on the court.
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ANXIETY
Franchise:
1. Welcome back Rasho!
2. I want Pops back – no question about it; I think having both Evans and Pops will give us alot of versatility to get under opposing teams thick skin and cause it to blister, itch and burn . If one of them doesn’t do it, try the other – get my drift?
3. We need another SF and while Delfino should be added to our roster, I still don’t think this addresses the problem. I think there are times when we are really going to miss the Matrix’s skill set next year. I think I have to put Kleiza on the top of the list – simply because he can create havoc – and I like havoc.
4. Does anybody know how we can create space on our roster for Pops? Can we ‘cut’ Devean George, POB or someone else?
Warrick
I think finding a way to sign and trade for Warrick would fill a few holes… maybe sending Ukic back the other way?
Not sure how much Warrick thinks he’s worth… but he’d be a nice fit on the Raps bench.
Rasho on board
I’m happy to see Rasho back. No, he’s not a stats stuffer, but he has respectable offensive skills, makes opposing centers work for their points and plays good help defense. He wants to be here. He’s definitely not overpaid. Couldn’t work out much better than that, could it?
You know it’s a recession when Hakim Warrick and Linas Kleiza remain unsigned. I think they’ll eventually find spots, but a lot of guys who are a notch below them and who are decent players (Bogans) or young and unproven (Carney) may not.
Buy out banks, go over the cap
Yes, I think this is the year to do it. BC has said he has the option to go over the cap to hit a home run.
Forget pops, delfino, get david lee, kleiza. That’s a win now bench.
There is no ‘option’ to go over the cap; it’s a cap. Buying out Banks opens up a roster spot for a minimum contract player, but it doesn’t create any cap room. There is no money for Lee or Kleiza unless they somehow settle for the scraps Jack left of the MLE.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jul 25, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t. It’s not a tax issue. It’s a league rule that they only have a limited about of money to spend on free agents.
At this point, they can only go over the tax level on trades and there’s a limit on the difference of salaries in the trade.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jul 26, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Credit to Colangelo
Nice positive article.
Rasho returning makes me alot more comfortable, the one year deal makes it all the better. I think he’ll help Andrea continue to grow.
I have to agree with just about everybody, would like Pops back, but not by overspending. He had his moments last season and feel he worth a second look.
It’s always easy second guessing BC and the moves he has made (something this sight has consistantly done this off season) but look at what he’s done.
Retained his only desirable assets in Bosh, Bargnani and Calderon. Last two locked in for next few seasons. At the same time making the team much more attractive for Bosh to resign. Should Bosh walk after next season we still have talent and money to build upon.
Commited to Jay Triano(who everyone is routing for) hoping that with a proper training camp he can find an identity for this group.
Added Iavaroni to assist Jay, adding a touch a experience and a much-needed defensive philosophy.
Added the likes of Hedo Turkoglu, Reggie Evans, Jarrett Jack and a returning Rasho Nesterovic who will all be able to contribute quality minutes from the get go.
Made a solid choice in DeMar DeRozan with the ninth pick of this draft. Haven’t heard anyone say a bad thing about this kid and think we got one of the steals of the draft. He should be able to contribute immediately.
Also got both Wright and George from Dallas. Wright played some quality minutes for a decent team, I expect him to play a role with this team. Anything from George, who also played for that same decent team, would be nice.
I really liked what I saw and heard of Quincy Douby in Vegas. Think the new coaches might be able to find him some minutes.
And we still got a bit of money to play with.
I know the season is a long ways off and no-one really knows how this group will gel, but I think BC deserves a lot of credit for basically turning the talent level and financial flexability of this team around very quickly. Remember how pessismistic we were at about our prospects at the end of last season.
Yeah, we have been pretty critical, but I think Franchise and Howland are worried that these signings are repeatings the sins of the recent past. i think some of it has to do with the expectations that Colangelo has fostered due to his statements at the end of the season.
For me, I want to see just how fun this team is. It might not be the best rebounding team in the NBA, but there’s lots of intrigue for me and lots of excitement to see what these weapons will do with each other. For one thing I think we could see a little different Turkoglu, since the Raptors may ask him to do a different variety of things so it may be interesting to see how his skill set matches up. I think we’ll see the pick and roll run a lot this year which will hopefully create lots of interesting situations.
One thing’s for sure… I think everyone’s at least more excited to see how this team will perform. I’m not sure we were this excited last summer after the JO trade.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jul 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wondering what are your expectations for next season? Injuries and all we were a 33 win team with a horrible lack of depth and talent. Apart from our big(?) three we had absolutely no decent bargaining chips. Our cap flexibility was tight and after a horrible year making it only harder to attract talent.
Even if next year blows up as well we now have assets to work with.
My expectations? Right now, I’m guessing a 5th place spot (hoping for 4th, I’m an optimist) and above .500 right now, just because I think this team will take time to gel, but I think it can do well in the regular season. There’s more vets on the team this year who have playoff experience, something that was severely lacking previously. We also have a few chips with one year contracts that could be attractive trading pieces should we need to make a move before the deadline.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jul 26, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
If you’re calling 5th(or 4th) place next season then BC has done something right. At the end of last season would you of called the same thing? From very few “assets” and a horrible cap situation to our current lineup and an enviable cap flexibility.
The question at the end of last season was “why would Bosh want to stay?”. BC has addressed that question to the point where if he were to walk away for nothing we still have the pieces and the money to go forward. It’s not all about CB4 anymore.
Would anyone from the HQ of called this after game 82 last season?
I’d have the say BC has made improvements, but I’m not sure it means a 2nd or 3rd round in the playoffs. It’s why this is a bit tricky right now. I think he’s had a great off season remaking this roster, but I believe that Howland and Franchise would think otherwise. (We’re all meeting up today and I’m sure they’re all going to take turns yelling at me about my Pops Mensah-Bonsu article a few days ago :p) It’s all part of having more than one writer on staff. So yeah, I’m pretty happy with how things are right now. Getting some people who aren’t too injury prone really helps.
As far as Bosh is concerned, I’m thinking along the same lines as you are. I think I’m much more comfortable with Bosh leaving now than I was in the past, but I’m also fine with him staying too. So right now, I’m in more or less a “I don’t care what Bosh does” mode. And no, I wasn’t feeling that way at the end of last season. But once again, that’s just me and not Franchise or Howland.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jul 26, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Not many teams have gone from 33 wins to 3 rounds in the playoffs. As keen as I am on DeRozan, he is no Tim Duncan. If thats HQ’s expectations, I am not sure you have set a reasonable goal.
With what he had to work with, limited coveted resources and a horrible cap situation………..I know I’m repeating myself.
I know. But our expectations should be that the Raptors have made the first round three of the last two years. They need to improve on that and since they’ve used up so much of their cap to get players that will be with the team for a long time, I think that having high expectations should be pretty normal. I mean, if the Raptors have another first round exit, what will we say? That we’re the Minnesota Timberwolves of the 90’s?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jul 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
RESPEK'
1. The GM position is a lightning rod for criticism. Not unlike the coach.
2. I think the majority on this site appreciate BC, and besides that; the proof is in the pudding…. so bring on the pudding…. No GM gets 100% approval ratings….
3. I agree with alot at HQ that being a Raptor fan last season was like ‘being in an emotionally abusive relationship’. It was downright painful, and cut some of us down to the bone…
4. Let the healing begin!
5. Respectful debate is healthy, and at least there is lots of that….
The thing that was frustrating for me last year was that Colangelo stated the team looked great on paper. I was always questioning what paper he was reading, as an over priced, once upon a time all-star was just about his only acquisition after a fairly mediocre season. I never thought the O’Neal trade was any good and everyone knows just how out of my mind I was when we had Solomon, JO, and Moon playing significant minutes. Oh yeah, and we at the HQ had to watch games with attention to detail (even though I think Killzone 2 and Fallout 3 kept me from watching some games completely through :p) because we had to recap them.
At the end of the day though, I always believed that Bryan Colangelo kept enough flexibility to dance his way out of a bad situation. I still think T.J. Ford had to be traded but would have rather seen a different asset return.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jul 26, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree about the TJ Ford thing but I thought he could have moved him for something more tangible than a broken down former all star and a 2nd round pick. We did Indiana a major favour by taking Oneal off their hands and it pissed me off that we had to give up our 1st round pick on top of it. I am still not convinced that this team is going to even make the playoffs next year as if George and Wright end up contributing very little (and it seems a number of people on this site think George will contribute almost nothing) that means we will be carrying 5 dead contracts on the team. Any injury to a key player could kill this team (do you really believe that Rasho and Bargnani starting if Bosh goes down will be a good thing?). Signing Delfino is a mistake at this point as we would be better off getting one more forward and cutting POB. Just my humble opinion.
I agree definitely. I was much more a proponent of the Boris Diaw trade.
I agree that the five dead contracts will be a bit of an issue only if the Raptors have injury issues. However, Wright and George are in their final year so if Colangelo has to move them, he has great contracts to move for a piece. If Bosh goes down, I think we’ll see Evans as the starting 4 rather than Rasho moving into the starting lineup, and you already know that I’d rather have another PF rather than Delfino. So yeah, I agree with most of what you’re saying :)
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jul 26, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
With 12 serviceable players or so, and until BC can start the fine tuning, polishing, and buffing of the roster – we at least can throw the kitchen sink against other teams for 82 games.
We were chopped liver last year; Now it seems we are like a big cauldron of curry – with some serious hot pepppers thrown around….. It’s not perfect, meh; but at least its more appetizing, and has serious potential to fill opposing teams with a sense of dread….
Would you rather have Charlie V and Roy Hibbert or Hedo and Banks?
After the last few years of Raptors’ trades, if you ignore all of the 2nd round picks and cash, the team has ultimately traded Charlie V, Araujo, and Roy Hibbert for Hedo and Marcus Banks:
1) Charlie V for TJ Ford
2) TJ Ford, Rasho (who’s back) and the Hibbert pick for Jermaine O’Neal
3) Jermaine O’Neal and Moon (who cost nothing to acquire) for Marion and Banks
4) Marion and Humphries (acquired for Araujo) for Hedo
So, if you look back, which combination of players in this mix would be the best fit for the “core” of Bosh/Calderon/Bargnani?
I actually think that both Marion and Charlie V are better fits with Bosh/Bargnani than Hedo, simply because they can rebound at 7-10 per game to make up for the below average boards you get from Bargnani at Center. Hibbert would actually be an interesting backup C as well.
The one thing that I notice with all of those trades is: none of them have ever involved a shooting guard. So, if you look at the Colangelo years in a different way, you could argue that the Anthony Parker signing was both the biggest boost (bringing stability to the team that won the division in the huge turnaround season), but also created a bit of a ceiling for the team by making Colangelo less concerned about trying to acquire a top tier SG…
As we all know, to be an upper echelon team in the NBA these days, you either need a Lebron/Kobe/Wade type, or you need 4-5 great starters and great defense (Spurs, Pistons, Magic).












