High on Holiday? - Raptors HQ Recaps the June 5 Workouts

Interesting that the Raps appear high on both Holiday and Flynn. There's no question the Raps need a swingman, but in a draft like this I think you just take the best player available. I really like Flynn, but I haven't seen enough of Holiday to make an informed judgment. Still, you have to be impressed by Flynn's body of work at Syracuse, and it never hurts to bring in a guy who genuinely wants to be here.

If they draft the milquetoast otherwise known as Chase Budinger, I'm jumping off the bandwagon. I keep hearing about his athleticism, but he never seems to make use of it during games, so what's the point?

I really like the Iavroni signing. I was hoping we would sign him instead of Smitch a couple of years back. He's experienced, preaches defence and coaches big - that pretty much ticks all the boxes.

Not much is being said of English coming back. I am not sure what he brings to the table (other than his stellar playing career). I thought there would be slightly more of a house cleaning and less of a tinkering. I hope this isn't foreshadowing what we can expect this summer. Mind you, I'm not beyond convincing that this team is a few ATHLETES away from being solid.

Man you guyz do some great work with this draft stuff and awesome that the raps are giving you this much access.

So on the homepage you have derozan as your top choice right now, is that still true after seeing flyn????

Trade Bosh!!! I am surely going to piss of a few people but realistically, at this point...this organization has to decide whether this team is going to be competitive next year in terms of not only making playoffs but going pass the 2nd round...in other words beating either cavaliers or boston...don't see that happening.Trade Bosh and wait pass this year with the assets added and potential high pick next year and who knows what will happen.

A tremendous job both covering the workout, and working in some quotes from Raptors management.

Skywalker, of the players "projected to be available" only Flynn seems to be an all-rounder. Athleticism, vocal leadership, decent shooting ability, strength, speed, and can defend his position reasonably well. Add in the experience of two seasons running the show at a top Division 1 school, and you've got passable experience as well. I have no doubt he will have to work on his game management abilities, since he seems to be more of a "shoot-first pg", but given time and a good attitude I'm sure he can improve. Another thing to keep in mind is pg's in general may not show all the playmarking they are capable of in college, due to the talent difference between themselves and their teammates. If we didn't have Calderon, Flynn would be at the top of my board at 9.

Robert Archibald, I think knowing Iavroni was coming played a part in trading for POB. Factor in Jawai, Pops (who I think has the room and maturity (improved game in Europe) to iron out some of the kinks in his game), and the continued development of Bargs. Jawai is the longshot, given how raw he is. IMHO if Iavroni is able to refine his game to the point where he merits resigning, that will be the greatest clear-cut achievement with the bigs.

One aspect to consider regarding BC's team building is possible parallels between our roster and the SUNS from role perspective. Athletic big-man Amare ~ Bosh, pure pg, Nash ~ Calderon, athletic slasher Marion ~ ...Marion.

Before Marion, BC took a run at G.Wallace in a potential Ford trade. Perhaps even T-Will to help generate the steals, turnovers, and boards to fuel the fastbreak?

He never acquired the ballhandling, passing SF Diaw/G.Hill-type, but did take runs at Diaw via trade, G.Hill with the MLE, and J. Salmons. Garbajosa could be seen as embodying the passing part when he signed.

We are missing the road runner combo guard ala Barbosa, and to date BC hasn't taken any (publicized) runs at a similar player, aside from Fred Jones which may be a stretch. Could Jeff Teague fill that role with the second first rounder, provided its high enough? How about Monta Ellis or Jamal Crawford from Golden State?

A SG who can defend and hit the 3, Raja Bell ~ in his prime, Anthony Parker ~ Carlos Delfino?

In passing, isn't it ironic that the Warriors, Knicks, and Raptors are drafting 7,8,9. It seems they are all chasing players to fit a similar mold.

Thanks for the props folks, again, love being able to get up close like this to team and prospects etc. Hopefully we'll get two more good sessions in.

I won't speak for Howland but for me, I'd love to see the Raps nab Harden. That being said, I don't think he'll be around so I'd be equally happy with Evans or DeRozan if they fell, and if neither do, then my next group would be Flynn, Terrence Williams, Gerald Henderson and DeJuan Blair in that order - all of whom may not be even starters in the league when all is said and done, but all of whom I think have tangible skillsets this Raptors team needs and therefore all of whom could immediately contribute in certain capacities.

And again, I'd love to see Toronto grab a second pick and get another late asset be it a slasher like Tyler Smith, a fast, scoring guard like Teague, or even a solid fundamental role player like Hansbrough. Lots of options here so it's really going to depend on how those first five picks shake out.

And Ilyas, I agree with you in terms of Bosh, but right now it seems that Colangelo is bent on holding onto him until next summer.

Franchise, you mentioned that BC is bent on keeping Bosh. Do you get the feeling that he is being honest in this regard or is being disingenuous so as to not devalue an asset. I mean, has anyone asked Colangelo what happens if the Raptors are having an OK season next year, finish 6th in the East and then get bounced in the first round; with Bosh then deciding that he wants to go to a team with a chance to get further into the playoffs????

I know we can give Bosh more money than anyone else, but we can't give him Lebron or Wade and he may believe that we can't give him an opportunity to win a ring. Moreover, I think the money is also a problem re: Bosh; if you give him a max deal, do you then still sign Bargnani long term and then how much money does that leave for the rest of the roster?

Has BC addressed this point and how he views heeping BOTH Bargnani and Bosh?

Rob

Ok, I know everyone has an idea of what we should do this summer. Some ideas I read online, are pipe dreams.. I think these deals are very realistic, and would improve our team all the way around.

Draft at #9 - Johnny Flynn
Buy a mid 1st round pick draft- Terrence Williams

Trade Bosh and Banks to the knicks for:

Chandler
Lee
#8 pick (take Tyreke Evans)

Trade Calderon to Portland for:

Outlaw
Frye
1st round pick
- (Draft Hansborough)

We now look like this

PG-Flynn/AP/Ukic
SG-Evans/T. Williams/AP
SF-Chandler/Outlaw/Kapono
PF-Lee/Hansborough/Pops
C-Bargs/Frye/Hump/Jawai

This would make us WAY more athletic. We are longer, and deeper. Our bigs are tougher and we address our rebounding issues.

We can keep this team together for a number of years, due to the youth and rookie contracts. We have depth at every potential, with multiple players able to score, as well as create their own shot. Most important we have numerous all star potential at every spot in our starting lineup..

Thoughts? Franchise? Howland?

Has anybody else seen flynn's 720' Dunk?!

Whoa!

I liked the interviews. Personality wise; Flynn and Calderon would give us the most 'jello' at the PG position that I could posssibly ever imagine. Talk about likeable people who also shoulder so much responsibility... It makes the game that much more special for players and fans...

Drafting Flynn would really put a dent in my 'Nash becomes a Rap in 2010' dream though

Regarding Terrence Williams... I think Charlotte will snap him up at #12 if GSW passess him up. But why wouldn't GSW draft a PG out of this crop? Because they are nuts?

On a different note: Who ever the Nets draft - I guarantee it's going to irritate the f**k out of me...

Congrats on having all the access to the sessions - looks like fun.

He he, high on Holiday,he he

Franchise, I don't see any way that Harden drops down to the Raps, especially since he apparently performed well at the combines (i.e. more athletic than people originally thought). Normally he's the kind of player that I'd go for - excellent basketball IQ in the Paul Pierce mode. But I have to say he seemed very nervous and off his game in the NCAA tournament, and that's concerning. On the other hand, guys like Derozan, Evans and especially Flynn looked very good in the tourney.

It's beginning to look like Evans will be off the board too, but Derozan has a shot of dropping to #9, as does Flynn. My head says Derozan but my heart says Flynn.

Yeah, I think it will take a miracle or Toronto trading up to get Harden. And like you Skywalker, my heart right now is saying Flynn by a slight edge over others.

EricCoach 8 - Yep, those moves definitely make us a more deep and athletic bunch, but there's not much in terms of experiencing, especially winning experience at the NBA level. I'd love to see some of those names on the club without a doubt, but tough to speculate at this point - let's get the draft a little closer first.

2nd Raps Fan - Here's the thing. I think deep down that Bosh will be moved before next summer. However the way BC is conducting things, I really get the feeling that he's going to hold onto him through the summmer and see how the season starts out. That's just the impression he's giving off right now so hopefully I'm wrong and his got a delicious deal of some sort cooked up. But right now I fully expect to see Bosh in a Raptors jersey come training camp. After that though...

OK, but if the Raps start with Bosh in the line-up and then BC decides (or has it decided for him) that he has to move Chris, doesn't the value go way down?

We've already acknowledged we're not getting equal value back for Bosh in terms of present talent, but waiting until the season starts might signal to teams that we're desperate because we fell Bosh won't re-up with the team; then we get BS offers like the Suns got for Amar'e last year.

I would think BC would be a bit more shrewd than that.

Rob

This is not a rumour and is going to happen, but I would be very happy with a Bosh for Bynum deal.

I think that Bosh and Gasol would actually be very good together given that Gasol plays really well in the post and that Bosh likes to star away from the basket. A starting line up of Fisher/Farmar, Kobe, Ariza (resigned), Bosh and Gasol would be awesome.

Bynum is nowhere near the overall talent that Bosh is, but he has the potential to be a star. Even if he never realizes all of his great potential, his size and style of play would fit very well along side Bargnani.

The salaries do not quite match, but if Banks and his two year deal and Adam Morrison's expiring deal were to be included the deal could go through.

Here's the link to J.Flynn doing the 720' dunk..

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxaAqSB8SsQ

I see that people are already willing to make weak trades just to say they got something for Bosh before he walks. Bynum for Bosh? I am just not sold on Bynum and I do not think that Gasol and Bosh can play together considering they play the same position. I think the only way the Lakers trade for Bosh is if they are trading Gasol out as well. Those kind of front courts(where you have 2 players demanding the ball all the time) work out well in the long run and Lakers are not stupid.
Franchise - I think it is wishful thinking on your part if you think BC is going to get any offers that are even close to being acceptable even in the early part of the season. I think at this stage we all need to get used to the idea that the best we can hope for is to get something worthwhile in a sign and trade as outside of someone making a mistake, no one is going to ship us anything close to value for Bosh. PERIOD. I also believe at this stage (or any other for that matter) it might be in the best interst of the franchise to let him walk (i.e. he forces our hand) rather than trade away our perceived franchise player for 60 cents on the dollar and bad contracts that keep on giving (Luol Deng anyone). If nothing else, it will put the Raps in a good position next season as teams will be desperately trying to dump salaries onto teams with Cap space in order to sign the big free agents and maybe we can get something out of that.

P.S. I am really torn about the direction the Raps should go in the draft. I think it is an indicator of this franchise's poor luck over the years that in a year where they need to hit a home run at the swing position in the draft there isn't much in the way of homerun balls in play. I know the Raps could address their BU PG spot through FA(Sessions) or trade (Robinson, Watson etc) but they may be better off drafting Flynn or Holiday and then using them as trade bait to get the help they need at the swing rather than draft based stictly on need and end up with the Brazilian Bust again. Besides, practically every team in the NBA needs a BU PG so why would having a really good one be a bad thing.

I'm torn too about the draft. This is a tough one to predict, especially at 9.

Here's one prediction I guarantee. DeJuan Blair will be picked a couple of picks after the Raps pick. He'll come in to the ACC grab about 14 boards, 8 of which on the offensive glass. Then everyone who rallied around drafting for "upside and ridiculous hops" will watch our pick sitting on the bench and then get on this site and say - "we really need to get tougher players - like Blair, Milsap, ..."

Not saying I'd choose Blair over the others in question. Just saying sometimes the best pick is the simple one - may not be sexy, but the guy will compete hard every night. As one of the IMG coaches said about him - he's a culture changer.

So says Kreskin. Book it.

Silverback - Totally agree with you. I'm going to post an article that touches on this exact topic later this week. Look at Courtney Lee? Everyone knew what he could do at an NBA level but became enamored with the upside or "fit" of others. Mo Pete was the same way and ironically, a very similar player to Lee when he was drafted.

There are reports that Blair has an arthritic condition and problems with his knees; not the sort of thing you want to hear about a 6'7" PF who plays below the rim to begin with.

This year's pick for the Raptors should be the easiest since Stoudemire because they simply need basketball talent, so they need to pick the best basketball player available period, irrespective of position. PERIOD!

One other thing WTF are people talking about when they mention that Bosh should be allowed to walk as an FA??? Are you people insnae or did you just never take a business course in high school or university?

Chris Bosh is an asset, and you don't give away assets for nothing. You wouldn't dump a $10k car at the wreckers would you? Because it's an ASSET; as is Bosh. Worst case scenario, BC should look for a deal like the one for Pau, but with a better pick: Decent young player, 1st rd pick and an expiring deal. Chris Wallace was panned for making that deal, but it was better than NOTHING!

If BC lets Bosh walk for nothing, MLSE should give him his walking papers immediately thereafter.

Rob

2nd Raps Fan - Definitely those reports would be concerning. But, you also have to consider the source of the reports. Not sure what they are but there were also reports of Danny Granger having bad knees; Brandon Roy - knees, back or something? I think we can safely conclude those stories were bullshit. Or at least the problems they have are not enough to diminish their talent.

2nd Raps fan in LA - Cap space is an asset as well. BC would be allowing one asset (Bosh) to walk in return for another asset (money/cap space) because he believes that the assets he would acquire via trade (which would come at similar or equal financial value to Bosh)do not have equal basketball value to what he would be able to acquire with the cap space.

If he believes that the relief we would get from Bosh's contract is worth more on the free market than a collection of players we would get in return via trade (again, both would have similar financial value) then letting Bosh walk is the move.

I personally believe, given the trouble we've had attracting FAs to Canada in the past, that the value we would get in a trade (now, anyway) would likely be better value than what we can pick up in free agency. But, either way, it's not like letting Bosh walk would yield nothing. That's $14 mil in cap space to work with, and cap space is at a premium in this league.

TM, good point on cap space; but that's why you acquire the expiring contract. Again look at the Pau trade, which was viewed as a bad trade (so I know BC could do better). The Grizzlies got a good young player in Marc Gasol, Crittenton, a pick and Kwame Brown's expiring deal. That's the type of trade BC should be able to do anytime this summer because Bosh is arguably a better player than Pau.

To sit here and tell me that cap space alone is better than acquiring young talent and picks plus less cap space via an expiring contrac in complete nonsense.

What good is all that money if the team doesn't have the talent to attract a top flight player??? The example to me is Chicago when they cleared all that space for T-Mac and he went to Orlando because he thought they would have a better team with Grant Hill.

I know we all love the Raptors on this site, but we need to start dealing in reality and not fantasy (that's what REALGM is for). This team can't afford to lose an asset of Bosh's calibre for nothing; and cap space is nothing for a team without talent or a chance to win. With Bosh this team won about 30 games last year, and without him they'll be lucky to win 15 to 20 games............so good luck to all you cap "spacers" out there trying to attract a star player to Toronto (Canada) with those kinds of numbers.

On the bright side, we'll probably have the most ping pong balls for years to come with that kind of strategy.

Rob

2nd Raps Fan - I'm not sitting here and telling you that cap space is more valuable than young players, picks, and expiring deals. That would be nonsense.

I was simply offering an informed response to your "doesn't know anything about business?" query. You were saying letting Bosh walk would yield nothing. I was saying it would yield a lot of cap space.

I agree with you, that the best case scenario is receiving picks, players, and expirings for Bosh. I said that.

The thing is though, you and I are not NBA GMs. We don't know exactly what the market is for Bosh right now. What we do know is that if he gets traded, we will be getting back about $14 million in assets. If BC believes that the $14 million worth being offered to him in trade scenarios is less valuable to the team than $14 million to spend in free agency, then he will let Bosh walk.

That is the simple business side of the situation. In order to assess the actual merits of a potential trade, we would have to first know exactly what is being offered.

If they could get something similar to what Memphis got; a young starter, a young bench player, two first rounders, and an expiring contract, then yes, I would probably pull the trigger on that (Although it would obviously depend on the players. They would probably have to be a bit better than Crittenton/Gasol, especially if the picks were low)

2nd Raptors Fan - TM made my point for me but I will expand on it a bit. I am concerned that we will not get an expiring contract and picks for him. The scenarios being thrown about are Deng from chicago or Biedrins from GS etc which means we are taking on like 80% of his salary but not getting 80% of the player in return and they both have multiple years left on their contract. Do you really want another over paid player on the roster for the next 3 or 4 years? Won't that cripple the Raptors more than letting Bosh walk for his cap space? Remember, Cap space is not just about FA's. The Clips for example turned their cap space into Camby (not a bad deal) and unfortunately for them, Zach Randolph. Having Cap space is luxury that most teams in the NBA do not have and with all the FAs set to move next year and most of them wanting to move to a winner, the Raps can position themselves to get involved by taking on short term contracts (say for 2010 season) or getting a quality player who doesn't fit with a team. Letting him walk refers to letting him work out a deal next season with another team then stepping in for a sign and trade where the Raps may not get a lot of assests but they can get something out of it without having to take on a bunch of bad contracts and right now, that is what Bosh will end up netting. If you doubt that, take a look at what most teams get back for their quality players (Bibby to Atl for crap, Salmons and Miller for Nociaoni etc).

See that's where we disagree because I believe that cap space alone is NOTHING for a team without a marquee player and a losing record. Even the Knicks know they have to build an attractive (i.e team with potential to win) team if they expect to lure any FA's in 2010; and the Knicks play in the largest market: NEW YORK.

As far as not being GMs, I agree with you that we don't know what the market is like for Bosh right now; however, we do know we can do better than Memphis did with Gasol.

I'm not sure we can get two good young players, 2 1st rounders and an expiring contract, but we should be able to get 3 out of those 5 things for Bosh.

Logic says that we will receive maximum value (whatever that may be) this summer, rather than any time once the season starts. I think the quality of the trade offers the Raptors receive for Bosh are inversely proportionate to the time of his free agency; the closer we get to that point, the worse the offers will get.

Rob

Mcgateway, I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers from but they're incorrect. For example, Biedrins earns 9 mil per for the balance of his contract, and Bosh will be earning nearly 16 mil next year; to me that works out to about less than 60% of the salary for Biedrins, leaving a big chunk to add another player.

When you give me the Paper Clips as a positive example of a team managing cap space and players, it makes me want to question your basketball knowledge, even from a fan standpoint.

Rob

That's possible, but you never know. If Bosh comes out and has a good start to the season, BC could flip him to a team looking for that final piece at the trade deadline.

Jason Kidd turned into Devin Harris and 2 first rounders for New Jersey, and that's far more than equal value at this point.

At the same time, you're risking a VC situation, where he doesn't perform up to expectations and drives his own price down.

Trades are difficult to predict, because so many situations could change between now and the time we trade him.

You're questioning a team for bringing in a player who was one year removed from DPOY, led the league in blocked shots, and was second in rebounding FOR FREE?

Writing off anything the Clips do as unsound management makes me question your knowledge. Is drafting Blake Griffin stupid, just because the Clippers are going to do it?

1. 'Usefulness Value' and 'Exchange Value' are two different things but are related.

2. Cap space is 'useful'. Can we please not debate that. How valubale depends on the context.

3. You can't use something and exchange it at the same time.

4. You can only realize the exchange value of an asset when somebody ponies up -- and says -- heck! what you've got is useful...

5. Bosh is very usefull.

6. How useful do other GM's think he's worth -- well leave it to be discovered.

I for one am optimistic...

Great site, what has happened to Giorgos Printezis?

Most realistic and possibly accurate assessment of the Raps offseason options. I think this guys is spot on regarding how our line up will look next year.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/Tim_Chisholm/?id=281259

The idea coming out of Miami of Beasley/Haslem and for Bosh as centerpieces is starting to grow on me. If we could only get the to take back Banks or Kap-one, we could definitely have something there.

Acie, Beasely isnt that good and IMO isn't going to be that good. He remains another overhyped college star that hasn't done anything in the NBA to deserve the props he gets.

Haslem is a depreciating asset, will he still be a starter in this league in 2-3yrs?

Lots of great discussion. I think realistically any Bosh trade (if one were to happen) would HAVE to include one or two of our bad contracts (Kapono/Banks/Humpries).

One thing I'm surprised nobody is talking about is the possibility of moving Bargs to surround Bosh with better players. His value has never been higher and his contract is far more moveable (as well him not being a rent a player).

I think over the three season that Bosh and Bargs have played together it's pretty apparent that they haven't exactly clicked.

I starting to think this whole TWO big men experiment is one that doesn't work in the new NBA game.

TM, you have NO, read not even a bit, of an idea about what happened regarding Camby. It had nothing to do with Dunleavy being a good GM and everything to do with the Clips being in the right place at the right time. The Nuggets needed to shed payroll and the Clips were there and had the space to take on Camby's contract.

By your rationale the Clippers have great management because they ended up with the 1st pick in the draft; and not because they got lucky in the way the ping pong balls fell.

Anyone who can look at the Clippers and say that on balance they are a well run team, has ZERO basketball knowledge.......NONE!

Pointing to Camby as an indicator of the CLippers good management is like the CEO of AIG saying after the company was nearly bankrupt, that he just saved a bunch of money on his car insurance with Geico.

Rob

I agree with TM, don’t think any one is saying the Clips are a well run organization as a whole but the Camby deal by itself was not a bad deal.

Being in the right place at the right time. That’s part of the whole point of having cap space. Look at NO, traded Chandler to Oak for basically nothing just trying to shed salary. If he didn’t fail the physical Oak would have gotten a top shot blocker & rebounder for nothing. In these economic times team will be looking to dump salaries and trade draft picks for cash. Having cap space and extra cash puts a team in a position to take advantage of other teams in trouble that’s all. Nothing is a guaranteed.

As far as dealing Bosh, this situation is totally different from the Gasol trade. Gasol still had multiple years left on his deal. Why would a GM give up any of his GOOD assets to get Bosh, and then have him walk at the end of the season? Then he’d be out Bosh and the assets he gave up. Doesn’t make sense unless that GM has an under the table deal with Bosh lined up.

I agree with TM, don’t think any one is saying the Clips are a well run organization as a whole but the Camby deal by itself was not a bad deal.

Being in the right place at the right time. That’s part of the whole point of having cap space. Look at NO, traded Chandler to Oak for basically nothing just trying to shed salary. If he didn’t fail the physical Oak would have gotten a top shot blocker & rebounder for nothing. In these economic times team will be looking to dump salaries and trade draft picks for cash. Having cap space and extra cash puts a team in a position to take advantage of other teams in trouble that’s all. Nothing is a guaranteed.

As far as dealing Bosh, this situation is totally different from the Gasol trade. Gasol still had multiple years left on his deal. Why would a GM give up any of his GOOD assets to get Bosh, and then have him walk at the end of the season? Then he’d be out Bosh and the assets he gave up. Doesn’t make sense unless that GM has an under the table deal with Bosh lined up.

My response is a little late as I had trouble uploading it last night due to internet connection issues.

2nd Raptors fan - Apparently, you have taken what you want with what I have said. As you must know, NBA trade rules stipulate that if a team is over the cap they must match the salaries within 10%. Right now, GS is right at the projected cap (59Mil according to Hoops Hype). That means that the Raptors would have to take a player other than just Biedrins back in the deal. I used Biedrins merely as an example of the kinds of players other posters have mentioned in their trade scenarios(and yes he is only 9 mil but he is signed through 2014 at that value, that is a lot of money to tie into someone we don't even know will fit in here). I didn't feel like going back to the posts from a month ago just to make a point. It would appear that I will have to be specific.
As for the Clips, I agree that they have not had a huge amount of success but that doesn't mean they haven't made good moves (Camby was a good pickup) and I even acknowledged that they haven't made all good moves (I mentioned Randolph by name in my post).
Ultimately, I think we should agree to disagree. I really think you are taking my statements at a little bit to much on face value. I will try and be more detailed in the future when I am addressing you.

McGateway, I understand what you're saying regarding salaries now. You don't think we can get a player like Bosh, while still having to take on similar salary. I misunderstood, sorry.

However, I think the Raptors would be better off taking on salaries like Biedrins and say Crawford, along with a young guy like Randolph and a first rounder; instead of cap space.

The whole idea of building a team with cap space is a myth. You build a team with good drafts and by signing players for reasonable amounts in order to build a competitive team. Cap space is only useful once a team already has a good core and can add another talented player to make a run at a championship.

I'm sorry, but cap space might be important for a team like New York that has a shot at Lebron, D-Wade, etc. But for Toronto, all it will enable the team to do is overspend in order to convince some half-star to play in Canada.

Rob

PS-All of you guys singing the praises of the Clips for Camby should look at the entire body of work. If the Raptors were as poorly managed as the Clippers and we had to endure what their fans have, picking up Camby for nothing wouldn't look so good all of a sudden.

Oh and somebody remind what the Clippers' record was last year, even with that stealthy acquisition of Camby?

You know what with the kapono trade, the raptors have more flexibility to move up. . . Using cash . . . I think raps should aim for another lottery pick may be like the 14th . . . Imagine if guys like evans, holiday, or even willliams fall that far. . . We'll have nothin to loose but get a good pg prospect who fits the mold of the team and these pgs are two way players who play more then one position exactly what the raps need!