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From Earl Clark to Alvin Williams - RaptorsHQ Recaps the June 10 Workouts

Alvin Williams talks to the media yesterday looking like he ended up working harder in the drills than the prospects themselves.

Alvin Williams talks to the media yesterday looking like he ended up working harder in the drills than the prospects themselves.

As mentioned in yesterday’s post by Howland, the move to trade for Reggie Evans helped to address the need for a rebounder/enforcer on a historically soft team.

With the draft now only two weeks away, yesterday’s Pre-Draft workout had some players on display who may represent another step in that direction should they be selected by Toronto.

In addition, yesterday represented the first time Alvin Williams officially began his assistant coaching duties with the club, and both he, and Jay Triano spoke with the media post-workout.

In terms of the workout itself, who impressed most?

Earl Clark was probably the most heralded of the forwards coming into the workout and he did indeed stand out. He showed well when he went through the team drills, no doubt a byproduct of his preparation under Rick Pitino. Clark displayed his prowess as a help defender often aiding off the weak side leading to transition chances. He was rebounding well above the rim, and was either leading the break with an outlet pass or finishing the break with a strong move the hole. He also showed well in the individual defense drills stopping both the guards and forwards alike. His length was definitely an asset, and he knows how to use it well on the defensive end.

Now in the shooting drills, Clark was hot and cold. One of the knocks on him is that he is a little streaky on the shot and that was definitely the case yesterday. He would make three only to miss five or vice versa. He may indeed be a great shooter, but I didn’t see it at the workout. He was unstoppable when going one-on-one, or one-on-two for that matter, but shooting drills showed him as the streaky Earl from college and didn’t impress at all on that end.

Another knock on Clark coming out of Louisville was that he seemed to coast in games, possibly lacking intensity…and unfortunately that Earl Clark seemed to show up during portions of the workout as well. I’m not sure if it’s just that Earl has a very calm demeanor but he looked a little too at ease during some drills to the point of appearing disinterested. One of our peers at The Score made a similar observation and it came out in his body language and on his face.

Could he have the T-Mac condition? Didn’t people say he also the same thing about him?

Coincidentally McGrady is Clark’s fav player and even in this setting, one has to wonder if Clark can truly take advantage of his vast array of talents at the next level.

Who would be a sleeper pick?

Xavier’s Derrick Brown is a player and showed extremely well in the workout. Listed at 6’7", 227 lbs, he looks like he could play 3 or 4 at the next level despite describing himself purely as a 3 to media. There is no doubt that he is an excellent athlete and this more than his basketball acumen may be pushing him up higher on GM’s draft boards.

In the shooting drills he displayed a great touch from the outside and great form, which surprised me for someone his size. In the team drills, he looked like a gazelle running the floor and was always finishing above the rim. He did look like he had some trouble in the one-on-one offensive drills when he played against equal sized defenders, occasionally taking what looked like forced shots. In addition, it should be noted is that he didn’t show much post-up game during the workout, at least none which was memorable. However he’s a long, rugged looking player and could have definitely benefitted from throwing more of his body around. That may still be a work in progress.

Brown looked good on defense both in the one-on-one and team settings but could use some work more work in this area as well. He looked like he had trouble when it got physical in the low post, but mind you I only saw the extremely athletic Clark take it to him in that area. Most others seemed to be settling for outside jumpers against him one-on-one so that may not have given a clear picture.

The other standout yesterday was Ty Lawson. Easily the most publicized of the players in the ACC he was everything he was billed to be. He looks every bit the 6’0", 195 lbs he measured at and is a bulldog with the ball going full steam into the paint. He has a strong upper body, and if there was a parallel universe out there where Charles Oakley was a six foot point guard, Lawson would be the body. He took it to everyone guarding him be it one-on-one or in the team drills, and was able to finish through contact. This was especially impressive since the next shortest person on the floor yesterday in terms of prospects, was half a foot taller than him. Yet Lawson showed he was able to take it straight into the defenders, doing a great job of using his body to finish in traffic.

We all know his handle is very good, he did run the point for the Tar Heels, but he displayed his basketball IQ as well in this environment making tough baskets look easy. He worked well with Clark and Johnson in the team drills and led his teammates to the rim with pinpoint passes.

Though undersized on the defensive end, he was able to hold his own getting his hands on the ball when the bigs tried to take him low, which was basically everyone. With the body of a running back, his strength definitely was an asset. In his only post-up situation he was able to keep Vasquez from backing him down. Vasquez is about six inches taller than Lawson, but is in about the same weight class. I don’t recall anyone scoring on Lawson trying to take it to hole, which should impress since everyone had a reach advantage.

What most impressed me was Lawson’s shooting. He didn’t take many shots during the team portions but he was money from wherever he shot, particularly in the drill that had the players running from half court to the assigned spots on the arc. Lawson’s form was picture perfect the entire time. This may have more to do with his conditioning but regardless, even the best conditioned players have their forms waver unless they are elite level shooters which surprisingly Ty seems to be at this point.

Lawson does his best Phonte from Little Brother impression for the media...

Lawson does his best Phonte from Little Brother impression for the media...

And what about the other three participants?

Vasquez showed exactly what I expected from him; hit shots from anywhere on the floor. He didn’t do anything else that really stood out outside of that. He was billed as a great shooter and he brought his guns loaded to Toronto. He looked like he had a little trouble keeping up with the quicker Lawson on "D" which may be an indication that he may have solidified himself as a two guard, possibly in the Kapono mold.

Wake Forest’s James Johnson was an anomaly to me. I didn’t get to see much of him during the college season, and honestly I didn’t hear much of him either. He looked like he had the least impressive day of the six. He didn’t make many shots in the shooting drills and didn’t show well in either the one-on-one "O" or "D" drills either. I’m sure he’s a better player than he showed, and perhaps has had an intense travel or MMA practice schedule of late, but for a player many are projecting as late lottery pick, team workouts are not the time to look like you’re throwing up bricks or moving with heavy feet.

Last but not least we have Gonzaga’s Austin Daye. Now Daye is probably the one player that most confuses so-called talent evaluators and scouting gurus. It’s a good thing he’s only testing the Draft waters because he didn’t impress at all, similar to some of the other reports that have been circulating from these sessions. As a legit 6’10", he has the height and quickness to take post guys off the dribble, but I didn’t see much of that. He has length to be good defender on the low block, but I didn’t see much of that either. In fact I didn’t see much of the skill set that had Daye pegged as a lottery pick when he declared for the Draft. Daye looked like he forced shots particularly to avoid contact of any kind, even fading out near the arc against Lawson at one point. His shooting drills looked decent but he looked a little run down.

Many are saying that Daye would be better off going back to school for another year to not only work on his game, but also to bulk up a little even at the wing. He looked routinely overpowered in the one-on-one drills against the bigs, and he looked like he was exerting too much energy just to get his shot off. Daye, who in this interview with Hoopsaddict's Ryan McNeill compared himself to Rashard Lewis, gave the impression of being a sixth man in a stickman ball game and he looks to have some major work to do if he expects to play in the D-League let alone the Big League.

With the next incoming round of players, it will be interesting to see who Toronto brings in. While rumours of Evanses and DeRozans are swirling, there’s nothing set in stone for next week according to the Raptors’ media team.

As for options in the draft from today’s workout, Lawson would undoubtedly be a solid addition if Colangelo looks to grab another pick later in the first round should he be available. And again as a sleeper, Derrick Brown is very interesting.

However if a perimeter tweener forward is indeed on the Raptors’ menu, there’s no question that a versatile player like Clark could fit into BC’s plans.

All that to say that despite newly updated mock drafts from both Draftexpress.com, CNNSI.com and ESPN.com, most of which state that the Raptors are taking Demar DeRozan, looking at the variety of permutations above and below the team, it’s quite clear that despite anyone’s "insider" information, things are still very much up in the air.

RAY BALA

PS - Sticking on the draft subject, check out this great piece on Jonny Flynn done by Slam correspondent and Score blogger, Holly MacKenzie. You can follow along with her as she does a great job blogging and twittering through the NBA playoffs at http://twitter.com/stackmack

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Another great write-up - welcome aboard Ray.

Really enjoyed the Flynn piece too - only two weeks to go till the draft, should be interesting.

by lurker on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

ESPN has a nice piece up, "Greatest Franchise Ever", the 30 franchises are ranked from best to worst.

The Raptors are #27. Unfortunately, only the top 10 are free to read, the rest are in the Insider section.

If anyone has access, please post!

by Zona on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Jenge says 'allo!

by JENGE on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

@zona

I just read the article ... apparently we can argue now that the Clippers are not the worst franchise in the NBA. Who knew!

by utes on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Here's the blurb from the ESPN article...hard to really disagree unfortunately but important to remember that the Raps are still one of the youngest franchises in the league. A couple solid runs in the playoffs and they could easily vault past the likes of Minnesota, Sacto and Washington.

After 14 seasons of basketball north of the border, what stands out is how little enduring quality there is to remember. Two great players -- Vince Carter and Chris Bosh -- and a parade of quotable coaches are about all that's left to describe.

FRANCHISE HISTORY
Toronto Raptors (1995-present)

On the court, the Raps have made it out of the first round of the payoffs only once, in 2000-01, and then narrowly lost a seventh game to eventual Eastern Conference champ Philadelphia. That was the infamous day when Carter flew to North Carolina in the morning to get his degree and then came back to miss the final shot at the buzzer, and before he essentially quit on the team at the start of 2004-05 and was traded to New Jersey for peanuts.

With only four winning seasons and five playoff appearances, there isn't a lot of glorious history to retell. Even Carter's greatest moment -- a legendary dunk in which he jumped over 7-foot Frenchman Frederic Weis -- came in a Team USA jersey, not a Raptors uni. Aside from Carter and Bosh, the names in Toronto's annals have more comedic value than anything else. Mention Isiah Thomas, Kevin O'Neill, Butch Carter, Rob Babcock or Rafael Araujo north of the border, and you're guaranteed a good chuckle.

by Franchise on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the problem for the Raptors is that they can't seem to hold onto all of their talent in order to have them play a few years together; like T-Mac with VC and then VC with Bosh.

Whether it's been by being unlucky or poor management, this team has not been able to keep it's best players long enough to play with the talent they draft.

This is why keeping Bosh is only worth it if you still have enough to build a strong team with another star SG/SF; otherwise, we'll be stuck in mediocrity and still be in the 20's next time a list like this comes out.

Rob

by 2nd Raps fan in LA on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

This isn't a great draft, but it does seem fairly deep in point guards - Rubio, Flynn, Lawson, Jennings (although I don't like him as much as the players listed ahead of him). You could argue that Evans and Curry could be listed at point guard too, although I think they're both "combo" guards at heart. You can't really argue against Lawson's resume, and I wouldn't be shocked to see the Raps take him at #9 and then see if they could grab Brown with an acquired pick, as Ray suggested.

Great news about the Alvin Williams hiring, or as my friends and I call him, "the greatest player of all time".

by Skywalker on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that we have such a hard time keeping our own players is that we over hype them. Our best player HAS to be the face of the franchise, world class player and gets marketed that way - even if they are not that good.

I thought when Vince left this would stop. The whole Pistons team concept was in vogue and CB seemed so humble and team oriented - I think he still probably is. The media and the team have him branded as the cornerstone of the franchise. If you call him that, you have to pay him max deals. Cue the debates over whether Bosh is worth the max.

I don't think the Raps will ever be a team that spends into the luxery tax. As such, we will only be able to afford one superstar and surround him with strong role players - think AI's Philly days or even LBJ's Cavs today. Problem is, we don't have anyone that superstarish - they only come around once every couple of years. The number one pick won't get you one this year, nor when we won the lotto.

Unfortunately, again, I still think this all points to trading Bosh - hopefully then we can build this whole team approach. Pay our PG less than 9, Pay our C less than 6, Pay our SF less than 7, but still have quality starters in Jose, Bargs and Marion.

Trade up in the draft and get the starting 2 we need. Harden or Evans, in that order, would fill a need for years at a reasonable salary.

That means we would still have a few $$$ to throw at a starting big to play beside Bargs. Even if we only spent half of what Bosh would cost us, that would still buy us a very useful big. Sheed, Wilcox, Anderson, Lee, etc could all be had this off season for well under 10.

Again, if we do trade Bosh, I do think it is important that the franchise doesn't simply force a non superstar upon us. The next Raps superstar for me is the one that wins me some playoff games. I don't want to pay anymore Olympic team superstars, I want to pay Raptor superstars.

by Robert Archibald on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Skywalker, Alvin may have been the greatest 'Raptor' player of all time. Even though he was injured for the last couple of seasons, I never felt Alvin hadn't earned his pay. He actually took pride in the jersey - and back then they had pretty goofy jerseys.

by Robert Archibald on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Classic franchise history recap, you sure that wasn't one of my posts from the last year?

Well, yes I'm a hater now; but I shouldn't have dissed the Alvin signing last week, I like it coupled (tripled?) with all of the other developments.

My Kapono trade prediction came true....many many months later...gotta say I'd take it the way it turned out.

Anyway, been following the prospects a lot closer lately, was getting hyped on DeRozan...but he HAS to work out next week or forget it....maybe he's a diva type.

by DayOner on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I've been mulling over Colangelo's moves since he arrived and it dawned on me that it wouldn't really make sense for him to want to build a Phoenix North, type team as was the original assumption. The Phoenix Suns in their D'Antoni prime years proved unable to counter the Spurs in a way that would have allowed them to reach the finals. So, coming Toronto wouldn't it seem more ideal for him to want to build a team that mimics the team his original construction couldn't beat?
Maybe even a hybrid San Antonio spurs good fundamental basketball with a few tweaks to incorporate some of the Phoenix Suns aesthetic?

Maybe the draft choices and attempted free agent signings speak to the identity he has been trying to establish all along.

He inherits Bosh and (a surprisingly effective) Jose Calderon, Joey Graham plus Sam Mitchell. He acquires TJ Ford before he knows for sure how Calderon will pan out, drafts Bargnani, and PJ Tucker (on of the nation's leading rebounders out of college), brings in Anthony Parker, Jorge Garbajosa, and attempts to sign John Salmons He also adds Rasho

What identity would a starting line up of
Bosh,
Rasho,
Ford,
Salmons, and
Garbajosa possess?

Good fundamentals from the post, smart, solid defenders on the wing, game changing quickness from the point.

But look at the bench.

Calderon
Parker
Graham (likely assuming his natural position as an undersized 4)
Bargnani
Tucker (if he pans out).

Nothing stands out as spectacular but it's a good balanced team with a deep bench capable of making a playoff run for a few years, while it waits on internal development and other opportunities to upgrade.

If Bargnani develops as a top pick should you have by year 2 a starting line up of

Bosh
Bargnani
Ford
Garbajosa
Salmons

which gives you solid wing defenders again in Salmons and Garbo who can contribute on the offensive end, quick perimeter penetrator in TJ and Bosh and Bargnani providing a unique match up nightmare of smooth shooting bigs.

Again, the bench is solid
with
Calderon
Parker
Rasho
Graham (potential realized)
and Tucker's replacement

This looks like a more balanced competitive team than has actually been realized. Mitchell stays because the team wins, and the players as a collective play smart heady basketball (Garbo's influence). Not a lot of jump out of the gym athletes but guys who think the game as a collective (poor man's San Antonio) with some top ten pieces (Bosh).

Even subsequent moves (like the acquisition of Delfino and the signing of a Kapono to really spread the floor (a mistake)) speak to this idea of a smart, good shooting, balanced team with a strong bench.

So, now that things have fallen apart and he has to basically rebuild, he picks a coach he likes, adds an assistant who is considered one of the better ones in the league (who has worked with defensive minded head coaches), trades for the rebounder (Evans) he tried to draft in the first place, wants to lock up the small forward he has always appreciated (Marion) and brings back the poor man's Manu for bench support(Delfino). Bargs and Bosh he doesn't want to move and just hopes he can add the two-way shooting guard and back up/defensive minded or quick disruptive point guard that would balance the team.

We've tried to figure out the identity of this team for a while. Maybe this summer we will come to understand what the plan was all along

by Interloper on Jun 12, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

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