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Figures and Facts - Are the Raptors Actually in the Same Class as the Hawks?

Was the Hawks' performance in the playoffs a bit like Screech from Saved by the Bell?

Was the Hawks' performance in the playoffs a bit like Screech from Saved by the Bell?

The Eastern Conferences playoffs so far have offered up both the best and worst of the NBA. The best? Undoubtedly the Boston-Chicago series that will go down in NBA lore. The worst – how about the bizarre Hawks-Heat series, possibly the most lop-sided seven-gamer of all time.

Check the stats:

The closest game in the series was a 10 point Atlanta win in game four. The rest? Teams won by an average of nearly 21 POINTS??!! Did either team even WANT to win this one?

It was sort of like a match-up between Waldo from Family Matters and Screech from Saved by the Bell; the one who makes the less bone-headed decisions wins.

So as was the case last week after watching Philadelphia, again, this got me thinking back to some of the Raptors’ comments as the season was winding down. Was the Toronto team that we saw over the final 15 or so games a better club than either of these two excuses for playoff contenders? Or better yet, considering Atlanta ended up winning the series, were the Raptors as good a playoff team as the Hawks?

Let’s look at some stats to see if we can make a determination…

1) Starting Unit Efficiency:

As we did with Philly, we start our analysis at 82games.com comparing each team’s top 5-man units. Again, by examining things this way, it’s quite possible to compare Toronto’s starting five through the final few months, to that of Atlanta’s. Toronto overall on the season did a better job than Atlanta in terms of leading after the first quarter but the Hawks were a much more even-keeled team throughout the entire game. They ranked between 5 and 11 in the league in terms of percentage of time they lead by quarter whereas after their great start to games, the Raptors quickly plummeted to the bottom of the league rankings the rest of the way.

Comparing individual five-man units, statistically, Atlanta’s starting five of Bibby, Johnson, Williams, Smith and Horford posted similar "effective field goal percentage" numbers (field goal percentage adjusted for the value of the 3-point shot) at both ends as the Dinos. Both teams hit about 50% of shots under these conditions however the Hawks were slightly better defensively allowing opponents to post an effective field goal percentage of 51% from their opponents as opposed to 55% from the Raps.

However statistics like rebounding rate, points allowed per possession, and collective +/-, all weighed in the Hawks’ favour.

The stat that really jumped out at me however was net free-throw attempts by each unit. Even with Marion and a healthy Jose, the Raptors unit netted 40 free-throw attempts when they were on the floor together compared to almost SEVENTY for the Hawks. Perhaps this comes as no surprise to readers considering the constant moans regarding a lack of a shot-creator from the perimeter, but this stat really paints a vivid picture. Essentially that Hawks’ group was able to get to the free-throw line almost 30 times more than Calderon, Parker, Marion, Bosh and Andrea were able to, a huge advantage, especially in late-game situations.

Advantage – Atlanta.

2) Bench Efficiency:

Similar to Philadelphia, the Hawks don’t go very deep on their bench outside of Maurice Evans, Zaza Pachulia, Flip Murray, and the occasional appearance from the likes of Solomon Jones and Acie Law. In last night’s blow-out win of the Heat, Evans was pressed into the starting duties thanks to the injury to Marvin Williams so only Pachulia and Murray played over four minutes in reserve roles! Again, contrast this to the Raptors who at times this past season played Jason Kapono, Joey Graham, Roko Ukic and even Jake Voskuhl for extended periods.

It’s hard therefore to do an accurate comparison, as rarely did Atlanta play without at least two starters on the floor with the second group. As we know, the Raptors on the other hand sometimes had Roko, JK, Graham, and guys like Hump, Big Jake or Pops out there with either Bosh or Bargs.

So once more, instead of looking at the effectiveness of various combinations of bench units, I thought it might be more interesting to look at the PER, ESPN stat guru John Hollinger’s measure of a player’s efficiency, for each option for each team off the proverbial pine.

The average PER for the Raptors’ bench group that finished off the year, that is to say Jason Kapono (8.97), Roko Ukic (9.84), Joey Graham (11.99), Pops Mensah-Bonsu (14.73), Patrick O’Bryant (11.65) and Quincy Douby (10.26) was 11.24 – not exactly anything to write home about. (I didn’t include Marcus Banks or Kris Humphries obviously because of injury, and Nathan Jawai and Jake Voskuhl were eliminated as well due to insufficient playing time.)

Looking at Atlanta’s top backups in terms of minutes played, the numbers were very revealing. Their top five players off the bench, that is to say Ronald Murray (14.73), Acie Law (10.68), Solomon Jones (12.08), Maurice Evans (11.11), and Zaza Pachulia (14.14), had an average PER of 12.55.

While it’s not quite the same discrepancy as had existed between Toronto and Philadelphia, the difference in average PER in this case (12.55 to 11.24) still stands out. This is even more true when you examine only the average PER’s of Kapono, Ukic and Graham (Toronto’s top 3 bench members in terms of minutes played) versus the trio of Murray, Evans and Pachulia (10.27 vs 13.33). Suddenly then, this difference in average PER leaps to a few more points and again you see just why Toronto had such a tough time staying in games with their back-ups on the court. These players just weren’t producing at close to average levels for NBA reserves.

Again, the caveat here is that had Pops, one of Toronto’s best bench options, played more minutes, then things would have evened out a bit more statistically. But the point again is that Atlanta this season had a lot more effective bench options to turn to then did the Raptors.

Advantage – Atlanta.

3) Team Statistics:

In last week’s statistical comparison between Toronto and Philadelphia, I discussed the difficulty of looking at overall team statistics due to the fact that most that I could find, only examined both teams’ bodies of work over an entire season. I of course wanted to scrutinize only that period of time from Shawn Marion’s arrival on the scene because over an entire season, things skew strongly in Atlanta’s favour.

Case in point - Atlanta was one of the top clubs in terms of John Hollinger’s offensive efficiency marks (10th compared to 22nd for Toronto) and defensively things weren’t much better for the Dinos (11th for ATL, 22nd for TO in terms of defensive efficiency.) Atlanta played at a much slower pace than Toronto, and while didn’t post that much better of a rebounding rate, they got to the free-throw line ninth most in the league. (Toronto was 25th in this stat.) Combine this with the fact that the Hawks also hit almost two more 3’s on average per game than the Dinosaurs, and you see why it’s much more important to get a look at the two teams during only the post-JO trade era. So once more, I turned to David Berri’s "wins produced" metric.

Comparing the two teams, Toronto has a ghastly four players in the bottom 25 regarding "wins produced" (Andrea Bargnani, Jason Kapono, Roko Ukic and Jake Voskuhl) whereas Atlanta didn’t have a single one.

On the flip side, the Raptors Chris Bosh, Shawn Marion and Jose Calderon are all among the top 30 in the league in terms of wins produced, whereas the Hawks only have Mike Bibby.

The problem is, much like with our previous analysis, the drop-off from TO’s top 3 is substantial. Atlanta again simply has players that produce a higher amount of wins than does Toronto. On average, each Hawk produced 1.62 wins. The Raptors? 1.43, and that difference is magnified if you take out the top 3 Raptors scores provided by Bosh, Calderon and Marion, and do the same for Philly by subtracting Bibby, Horford and Johnson. As was the case with our last analysis this shows that a good chunk of the Raptors’ starters are on par with most of the league, but the drop-off after that "ain’t pretty."

Advantage – Atlanta.

4) Conclusion:

So back to the basics here; was the final version of the Raptors worthy of fighting it out for a top four playoff seed with Atlanta?

I think from our overall analysis above, the answer is a resounding no.

That’s not to say that in a seven game series, the Raps couldn’t have won a game or two. But I think the difference in the end would have been defense. Many questioned if last spring’s Hawks club that took the eventual Champ Boston to seven games would even make the dance again. Many felt it was simply a poor match-up for the Celtics, not a result of anything the Hawks were doing as a collective unit.

However what many failed to notice is just how much this team has improved defensively over the past few seasons, and in every type of metric I examined, this point kept sticking out. You may not think it at first glance, but Atlanta was one of the better defensive teams in the league, something the Raptors certainly were not, even with Marion on board.

I think then based on these two sets of analysis, this and last week’s comparing the Raps to the 76ers, it’s quite evident that not only does Toronto need some major bench help, but they also need some major assistance on D.

Will these needs start to be addressed via the draft?

We might get the first glimpse of whether that’s the case in just over two weeks time when Toronto finds out just what spot they’ll be picking from.

FRANCHISE

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I have said this before; Now I say it again...

I think signing Zaza Pachulia would be a great addition to the Raps as a back-up for Bargs at the 5.
He definately brings the rebounding and attributes that Bargs lacks, yet seems mobile enough.

Plus if Bosh or Bargs get injured/fatigued Zaza would be great to hold down the 5-spot in the mean time.

I know he's not a wing player, but I think passing on him this off-season could be folly.

by JENGE on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I think a bunch of posters are in favour of zaza - was really intrigued by his wins produced mark and per, he probably should get more time on the hawks.

Another guy the raps might think about trying to steal for cheap is the polish hammer gortat. Not sure what his contract situation is but hed provide some muscle for sure.

by fromlongrange on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

A marginal player(s) will not turn this team around. It needs more than a 7th or 8th man (and thats what Gortat and Zaza are at best). They have their strengths... they play tough... but these guys are not deal breakers for the Raps.

As for Franchise's post... I always wondered why people didn't give much chance to Atlanta this year. I always figured they would be in 5th behind the Raps (although that goes to show you how much I know eh?) Could the Raps beat them in 7 games... I'd say it would be tough... they have guards that penetrate, rebounding bigs and alot of athleticism.... the exact opposite of the Raps.

by SwirskysSoldier on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Really enjoy these statistical discussions. Doesn't mean they're completely correct but they do definitely put some meat to the bones of what we fans already suspected.

I think another approach might be to look at what players are doing in certain parts of the game so late in fourth quarters or early to start matches. That might provide some more interesting feedback.

by lurker on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Lurker - You read my mind. Next Monday I'm going to be looking at some "clutch stats" from last year's group. I think that should go even further in terms of painting a picture of just what BC needs to do/what type of players he needs to bring in, this offseason.

by Franchise on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm interested to get people's opinion on this recent post from Michael Grange of the Globe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/wbbasketball/

Here's the relevant quote in regards to a sign and trade of Marion:
"What might a sign-and-trade look like? One possibility for the Raptors would be to find wing player around the league who is younger and signed to a longer term deal at similar money. The team at the other end of the trade gets a proven, serviceable small forward while only having to commit to three seasons. The Raptors get a player with more years on his deal, but one who fits in with the age group of their team. A few names come to mind: Luol Deng of the Bulls; Monta Ellis of Golden State both have long-term deals. Players with teams with shorter deals but whose teams may want to freshen things up include Josh Howard of Dallas and Caron Butler of the Wizards."

This floored me. Would this really be possible? Deng, Ellis, Butler, Howard!?!?! Any one of these players changes the landscape in Raptorland instantly... Is this really possible!?!? Is Grange out to lunch on this one?

by MAS on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

If we can get Deng for Marion,and the Lakers screw up this year, what do people think about Bosh for Gasol. maybe even throw in kapono and take back a pick

by BOWG on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Anyone of those swingmen for Marion makes me more excited than a straight man should be for another man. However, Gasol and Bargs is a little light in the grind department. I'm alright with it as long as we get a tough mother like a ZaZa to back them up. We all have Magloire in the back of our minds, but he simply does not seem worth the league minimum anymore. My vote is for Butler, but I have a good feeling on Deng and I know BC loved him before. He might be undervalued (trade value wise) because he's been injured.His contract might be worth another pick that BC could use to draft a project (I like Mullens) or someone like a Crespi who might provide some good bench play.

Calderon,
Parker/Delfino
Deng
Gasol
Bargnani

That would easily make us the least North American team in the league. Add Crespi, Ukic, and we get a booth at the UN.

by EaseMyPain on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

While I have no issue being the least american team in the NBA, I was not counting on Delfino which would make it a shout out on are starting 5 for americans. I would prefer we use the money saved on Marion, and/or the draft to fill out the 2 spot with the MLE.
I have always liked delfino, but when it comes down to it he is a bench 2. Parker is also a bench 2, but his experience, as well as his ability to be a real 1-2 guard, makes him a better choice as an off the bench 2

by BOWG on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Small rant from last night's action.

Last year, I was arguing that Hedo Turkoglu didn't deserve an All-Star spot and was over-rated. Many people disagreed and thought he'd be a great fit for the Raps.

I hope last night's game, if you saw it, cleared things up. Hedo is Ron Artest without the defence or intensity (and mental issues but let's stick with the on-court performances here.) Terrible shot-selection, whines about every call, plays soft, attempts ridiculous circus shots instead of drawing contact, and to top it off, he was completely outplayed by Brian Scalabrine!

Second point, the Magic, as my friend the HQ Associate would say, are a fraud. The club has no closing ability, and really is a team of over-rated jump shooters in terms of their starters. When the shots are falling from long-range, they can play with anyone. When they're not...well we saw what happened against Philly. This club is like a more talented version of the Raptors + a legit bench (more on that in a second.)

Even Dwight Howard is not nearly aggressive enough offensively for someone his size. And what the hell is Patrick Ewing doing? Howard has BARELY improved offensively since he came into the league. Orlando simply did not deserve to win last night.

That being said, there are some big positives for Orlando, mostly stemming from their bench. Now that's what a real NBA bench should look like. Some size in Gortat and Battie, some athleticism and defence on the perimeter when Pietrus is coming off the pine, a stable back-up point guard in Johnson, and some long-range scoring in Redick (who I'm happy to say is finally starting to look like the Steve Kerr clone many envisioned when he was drafted.)

From a Raptors' standpoint, this is what the draft should be all about. If you're not in a position to draft a star and future starter, get solid pieces that complement each other. Then use free-agency to really latch onto someone who fits your starting roles.

Poor Van Gundy though, I thought he was going to have a heart attack, a stroke and some sort of hernia by the time the match was over.

by Franchise on May 5, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

How about this: a case of 'rage induced testicular apendicitis with multiple ruptures'?

Might look the same...

by JENGE on May 5, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Im not counting on delfino either - id actually rather he didnt return to the team as i dont think hes much of an answer going forward.

And mas, not sure how realistic some of those guys are but others make a ton of sense like monta ellis. Marion would work in gstate and the team didnt seem happy with monta after his scooter accident so maybe theyd move his huge contract...especially since theyve got huge commitments now to stephen jackson, turiaf, biedrins, maggette and like 18 other guys.

by fromlongrange on May 5, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

On Yao,

While playing against the Raps, did Yao look dominant at all or didn't he look much more dominated than dominant? Possibly it is true the raps are one good player (SG) and a good bench guy from competing?

by renato on May 5, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I continue to be amazed at how many people are pencilling in Delfino/Parker at the 2 like that is the long term solution for this team. Personally, I think this is a massive mistake as if we were going to sign a swing from Europe, I would rather target Childress than Delfino. Having Delfino and Parker on the team is recipe for disaster as they are basically the same player. We need actual long term solutions not short term plugs who may end up tying up contract space better left empty. I would rather the Raptors signed a scrub from the d league for a year to play the 2 (think Vashon Leonard from when Wince went down) rather then delude ourselves that signing delfino to a multi-year contract will do anything more than piss us all off and damage the franchise over the long haul.

by McGateway on May 5, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

McGateway, I couldn't agree more. I can't wrap my head around why people are so ardent about having Delfino/Parker at the SG spot. Moreover, why is everyone suggesting the bit players this team should add?

The Raptors aren't in the class of teams like the Spurs, who can look to add pieces around a winning core. The Raptors don't have a winning core yet; they're still one star player (wing) away from having a "core".

If this team doesn't add a productive wing player, who can deliver AT LEAST 17ppg, it won't matter how many Pachulias and Delfinos we sign; those types of players are not integral parts on championship caliber teams. I thought that's what the goal was: the Larry OèBrien trophy.

Even in the East, the Raptors (as currently constructed) at 100% health + Pachulia and Delfino does not a championship team make.

If during this off-season BC adds redundant pieces, while not addressing this team's GLARING needs, we can all forget about a championship because this team will be barely a fringe playoff team.

Rob

by 2nd Raps fan in LA on May 6, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

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