Jrue Holiday – Holding the Key to the Raptors’ Draft Success?
This year’s top candidate?
Jrue Holiday.
For those who aren’t familiar with Jrue the Damaja, he’s a 6-3, 185 pound guard who after a stellar high school career, was viewed as one of the NCAA’s top recruits upon committing to UCLA prior to last season. The move was supposed to put UCLA right back at the top of the class in the Pac-10, even with the departures of Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook.
However things didn’t exactly go as planned.
Darren Collison, UCLA’s All-American point guard, decided to return for his senior year and as a result, Holiday was forced to spend most of his time at the 2, where his impact was minimal to say the least. Yes, he did at times show some flashes but the argument has been that Holiday simply never meshed with coach Ben Howland’s system and overall, you’d be hard pressed to talk to someone who didn’t view his freshman season as a major disappointment.
Some have compared Holiday’s situation to that of Rajon Rondo when Rondo was at Kentucky. Coach Tubby Smith had Rondo playing off the ball, not something that emphasized Rondo’s strengths considering his shooting struggles. Rondo ended up falling all the way to 21st overall in the 2006 draft but a good case could be made that if you were to redo the draft, Rondo would be a top 5 pick.
However outside of perhaps issues of fit with the systems they played in, that’s where the Rondo-Holiday comparison stops in my books. Long-time HQ readers will remember that I was about as voracious about the Raptors grabbing Rondo as I have been about making a play for Terrence Williams. Even at the 2 with the Wildcats, Rondo always stood out to me. His length, athleticism, explosiveness and overall basketball acumen made me believe that even with his shooting issues he could be a tremendous NBA player. In Holiday, I haven’t seen those same things.
In fact, I put the question of Holiday’s upside to the HQ Associate the other day, as he’s a die-hard UCLA fan who too was disappointed with Holiday’s first year with the Bruins. Here was his take:
Having watched most of UCLA’s games last year, overall, I wasn't impressed, given the expectations I had from his recruitment...certainly not enough to say that I think he should have gone pro. The pre-season comparisons originally were with Eric Gordon and he clearly did not have that kind of impact, nor was as explosive scoring wise.
But, we all know that people don't move up the draft board because of what they did in the previous season...at least, not at this time of the year. He is a 6-3 PG who was (essentially) out of position last year as Collison ran the point. He's fairly athletic and has long arms and is quite sound defensively. I would not be surprised to see him vault up the boards with good workouts, kind of like Russell Westbrook last year. However make no mistake…this is no Westbrook.
PS - I feel old. Jrue Holiday was born in 1990.
The Westbrook comparison is another that’s floating around obviously because of the UCLA connection, and CNN SI yesterday broke this down in depth.
So why discuss Holiday?
Well besides reportedly being on the Raptors radar, Holiday could indeed hold the key to Toronto’s draft success in a few weeks.
Like Westbrook last year, Holiday is suddenly being discussed as not only a lottery pick, but possibly a top five option. Chad Ford had him slotted in at number four to Sacramento in Wednesday’s latest Mock Draft on ESPN.com, and there are rumours that other clubs above the Raptors have interest in the former Bruin. So perhaps now Holiday being selected in the top 8, could push someone of interest down to the Raptors spot.
As early as February, my fear was that if the Raptors didn’t end up with a top 7 or 8 pick in the draft, they were going to have serious issues getting an impact player. And as prospects like Ed Davis, Willie Warren, Cole Alrich and my personal favourites, Evan Turner and Al-Farouq Aminu, withdrew from consideration, this seemed to be even more the case. Now, it’s quite possible that the three players most coveted by Raptors’ fans, Evans, Harden and DeRozan, will all be gone by the time Toronto is on the clock.
The top 3 picks appear to be fairly locked-in barring trades. But after Griffin, Thabeet and Rubio fall in some order, who’s to say that Evans, Harden and DeRozan aren’t the next three players taken?
-Sacramento could use talent at just about any position other than power forward so all three could go there.
-Who knows what Washington is going to do but if they keep the pick, why wouldn’t they take one of these three swingmen and look to deal Butler or Jamison to cut their salary woes?
-The Timberwolves are almost in the exact same situation as Sacramento, the last thing they need is another power forward, and considering how well their Corey Brewer pick is looking, who’s to say they don’t grab someone like DeRozan?
-Golden State? This is the biggest wildcard of them all, and maybe the one team that I could see Hill going to if he falls. But otherwise, there’s no certainty that the "miss-management" of the Warriors doesn’t just pick a name from a hat – one of those names possibly being the player Toronto covets.
-As for the Knicks, I don’t buy this Stephen Curry stuff for a minute. Yes, he makes sense there to a certain degree, but I’m not sure why a Tyreke Evans wouldn’t be an even better option for Mike D’Antoni. (My fear actually is that it will all come down to New York, and whoever is left from the Harden-Evans-DeRozan trio will be taken right before the Dinos’ make their choice.)
So suddenly, if Holiday leapfrogs into the top 8, things start looking a lot better for the Raptors. Especially since from the latest Chicago Pre-Draft Camp rumours, it sounds like Oklahoma is taking a hard look at Harden at 3, and that DeRozan’s agent Aaron Goodwin is telling folks that DeRozan may not even work out for the Raptors, believing he’ll be selected in the top 8.
That would leave Evans and again, there’s just no guarantee that he’ll be around at 9.
Besides Holiday, the other name that could shift things up seems to be Brandon Jennings.
Much like Holiday, his freshman foray (albeit in Europe) disappointed to a certain degree and apparently, he’s not going to play in the Reebok Eurocamp, opting to show his skill-set in individual workout settings. Many of the top 8 teams desperately need point guards so if Jennings can catch the eye of one of these GM’s, he too could help Toronto’s cause.
The bottom line right now is that there is just so little difference in talent between most of the lottery prospects, that the order of picks will probably be a crapshoot right up until nearly the day of the draft.
Toronto obviously has some serious needs, some of these that the draft could potentially address.
The question is, can players like Holiday help get Toronto in a position to address them.
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Here is a question, based on what I saw of Curry, wouldn't he be worth a look at the 9 spot, assuming he was still available? I realise that he is projected as a 1 but he is flexible position wise and although there might be better options at the 2 or 3 he might be the best player available and allow the Raps to make a move (say trade him to OKC for Earl Watson) to get what they need.
by McGateway on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I am probably the only one hoping all those mentioned swingman will be gone, so that the raptors will pick Dejuan Blair.
His toughness and rebounding will help a lot.
by Wong on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Curry can play. He knows the game, is heady, and will probably make a smooth transition to the lifestyle given that he is a child of a longtime NBAer. His dad played in Toronto so there is no foreign country mystique there. Depends on the approach, the team wants to take. If it wants someone who will contribute right away and he's on the board it's a wise pick. If it wants to go with upside projects, given the risk/reward then they can pick someone else. You can even look at it this way, people have proposed trading Bosh to a team like GS for Monta Ellis...umm..why not just draft Curry at his rookie scale and leave yourself more options. I wouldn't be opposed to a Curry pick at all.
by Interloper on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Lots of stuff coming in now. First off, Blair apparently dropped 40 pounds...unreal.
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/24793/slim_blair_turns_heads_at_draft_combine
If you're BC and considering your team's needs, that has to make you think at 9, especially if most of the other guys you were looking at are gone.
Also, while Curry is the one guy I least want Toronto to draft at 9, he measure out at almost 6-4 in the combine, about 3 inches taller than I expected. He's got no wingspan to speak of, and doesn't fit the style of today's NBA point guards (slashing ability) but I expect he'll get a good look from the Raps regardless.
Here are the early measurements via Draftexpress:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Pre-Draft-Measurements-Released-3236
Some interesting points including Tyreke Evans' freakish wingspan and DeRozan being smaller than I had anticipated.
by Franchise on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
None of these mock drafts have any idea of whats going to happen right now, pure speculation. Each one is so different too. Im not even sure who i want the raps to take at this point. Blair and curry make sense from a need point of view but then u hear about guys like evens and derozen and you start to drool at the potential!
by fromlongrange on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Actually why do we have a NEED for Curry?
Isn't he nothing more than a quicker but smaller Kapono? (Jump shooter with zero defense)
by Wong on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
While I have been a huge Evans fan all along, getting Blair could work out quite nicely. Yes his weight is a concern but if he keeps that under control where he is right now, we could have an answer to our rebounding and interior toughness problems.
I'm not too worried about his height. His wing span and reach are better than many 7 footers (far bigger than Griffen). I'm more concerned about wingspan/reach than height...when was the last time you someone block a shot or collect a rebound with his forehead.
by cmrm on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Wong - Totally agree - even at 6-3 he does nothing for me in terms of an option for Toronto. I'd much rather see a real wing who can attack the basket.
by lurker on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
The "Tractor Trailor" comparisons to Blair are a bit scary, but I think Blair is going to work much harder at keeping his weight down, and has a much better style of play for today's NBA.
A little blurb from ESPN.com on Tyreke Evans backing up my thoughts on just how impressive his measurements seemed to be:
• Speaking of Evans, he had the most impressive measurements of the camp. He stands just 6-4 in socks and 6-5¼ in shoes. But he had a terrific 6-11¼ wingspan and an awesome 8-8 standing reach, both bests among guards in the camp.
As we know from Joey Graham, combine results don't mean much over the long haul but combined with Evans' freshman body of work, it sure makes things interesting considering Toronto's needs.
by Franchise on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
It seems that Tyreke's stock is getting hotter and hotter.
It just sucks that at the #9 spot we are the team the most drooling - yet will most likely feast on scraps and gristle left over from GSW and NYK....
It's going to break my heart to see T.Will go to another team... as I doubt he will drop to #21 -- which is a pick that is on the market.
Drool...
by JENGE on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I feel the same way Jenge...sigh...
Although I'm hoping BC grabs another sleeper of mine like Tyler Smith or Jerel McNeal with a purchased second round pick...
by Franchise on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Call me crazy, but I wouldn't be unhappy to see Curry in a Raptors uniform. Yeah, he's short, yeah he's going to have problems guarding at the next level, but when you can shoot the rock like he does, there's got to be a spot for you somewhere. At worst, he's an upgrade over Kapono. Even with Curry, though, the Raps have a lot of work to do in the off season.
by Skywalker on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Measurements are fine and dandy, but haven't we learned from Joey Graham? A repeat of that kind of pick would be a real disappointment. I haven't watched as much college ball this year, so I guess I will trust the judgment of those who've watched a lot of it. Problem is every year there is someone who shoots up the charts because of these set ups, happens in football too. It's sometimes a sign of a scouting department that hasn't really done it's homework and just goes with a choice that gets them a few kudos from the mock drafters and espn talking heads. It will really be interesting to see who the Raptors choose because it will likely be a choice half of us can find a reason to disagree with. But that is all part of the fun in spaces like this. We think we know until we don't
by Interloper on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
lurker and wong - They play completely different positions for one. As much as we need a defender, I just think Curry is better choice in the spot we are drafting in because he looks like he can already contribute minutes even if it is just as the back up 1. He is undersized for the 2 but he can play their two and getting someone with that flexibility is almost as important as drafting a swing (2/3). This team needs a lot of help and we may find that the cupboard is bare of players with enough talent to draft them in the lottery (again at the swing position). I think that is why Leo stated the Raps would draft (or should draft) a backup PG because that is where all the depth is at in this draft.
by McGateway on May 30, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Great point, Interloper. Scouts get hung up on who jumps the highest or who has the longest wingspan. That's not unimportant, but ultimately you judge a player by what he does on the court. Paul Pierce slipped all the way down to tenth in his draft because he didn't wow scouts with his athleticism, unlike a certain guy named Vince picked that same year. Who would you rather have now?
I think Bill Simmons said it best when he called this draft a turd sandwich. Curry seems as close to a sure thing as there is, even if it's only as an offensive threat off the bench. But I'll take that over the "potential" of an Earl Clark anyday.
by Skywalker on May 30, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
amare says he is better than bosh anyone agree with him.
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2009/05/amare_knicks_sh.html
anyways as long as raptors pick a stud in the draft am okay with it
by mobchester on May 30, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I think if Curry falls to number 9 in the draft raptors need to pick him up! curry could really help the raptors on scoring and sure hes a point guard but he can also play a 2 and if calderon goes down with a injury like last season raptors will have a good backup instead of playing will solomon or roko so all in all i think raptors need to look at curry for scoring purposes and back up point guard purposes! he did avrage 28 points 5 rebounds and 6 assists this year so let him add that to the raptors team
by brendan on May 31, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
To add to the Holiday menu. I am surprised with your friend's comparison of Jrue to Eric. They couldn't be farther apart except for size, and I don't believe they were ever compared. Dumars was the player I heard most.
by miltk on Jun 18, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

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