Tip-In: Toronto Raptors Post Game - Things Fall Apart

I see Bargnani got a free pass, why?: 1-10, with five turnovers. Wow, there's a player to build a franchise around.

Is Calderon the only NBA starter on this team right now? Bosh is better suited as a back up on a solid team (because he's got no D), and O'Neal is toast.

Why am I even bothering to write this anymore . . .

Who would have thought at this stage of the season we would be hoping MORE games would be put on TMN2?

what i don't understand, besides how we can suck THIS bad, is why the only player to make more than a third of his shots, Joey Graham (or Graa-ham as the Spanish commentators say via JustinTV), played the fewest minutes of the 7 guys who got significant time last night. Being the only Rap to play well last night, you'd think he'd get 40.

hey Aaron y u makin fun of CB4 the face of the franchise. u probably dont know anything about the nba stupid hater but the raps do suk

"Bosh is better suited as a back up on a solid team" Aron, all I can say to that is WAW. I won't waste time explaining what's wrong with your assessment of Bosh.

Aaron, who the hell ever said we would build a franchise around bargnani? and Bosh as a back up, idiot.

i know your angry but barngnani will most likely never be a franchise player, and i dont think anyone expects him to be. he sure will likely be an all-star though. and bosh being a back-up is just plain madness. the only way he'll be a backup is on the USA team and im pretty sure there will never be a team consisting of all all-stars in the nba.

now i know im on the side of trading bosh, but thats only because im sure he's going to bolt out in 2010 and i believe we should trade him for a couple of GOOD young players and a few draft picks to make this team better. Bosh is a GREAT player but has a team full of bench/dleague players and the salary we'd have to pay him is too large to pay other good players to surround him, and mlse doesnt like going over the the cap, which also slows us down a bit. we need a deep team full of good players (ie. portland)and our future will be bright. im so jealous of their team...

As Denny Crane might say: "it's really a case of mad cow disease".

When it comes to last night's "wonderful match", the Raptors might want to use that line as well.

This was one game I deleted (from my PVR), the moment it was over. Now I just need to send out a search party, and delete those neurons holding any memory of this game. May they rest in peacen - NO analysis required!

Sigh, I'm sure that thatAaron up there is not my rival "OriginalAaron" (or was it "TheRealAaron"?)

Anyways, it was the worst game to watch. No one could hit shots. Only JG drove to the basket.

Aaron--Bargs get a pass could he did play good. he didn't score much, nor was his shooting performance close to average. He did get to the line a bunch of times and defended well.

What I was wondering last night, they knew they couldn't hit jumpers yet they still kept goin at it. i agree that the only way out of a shooting slump is to shoot out of it but that doesn't mean you stop finding other ways of scoring.

At one point I had the feeling that they were shooting threes not so much as to catch up but to keep that stupid streak alive.

They were fortunate in the first half that the freethrows kept them in the game.

Roko was good in penetrating too. Moon was solid too. I'm surprised he didn't take part much in the poor outside shooting display.

This is another loss that can be blamed on Sam Mitchel and Chris Bosh... Blah Blah Blah...

... Oh wait a minute... Sam hasn't caoched in over 2 months and Bosh didn't play last night... duhhhh, I'm out of arguments... Got to go to my Mouth Breathers and Naval Gazers convention... Stupid Raptors fans...

We all knew that before this season started that we were either going to make it to the second round of the playoffs, or be a lottery team.

The possibility of landing somwhere in between was causing nausea to some fans. Hence, the hi-road/low-road expectations were predicted quite aptly a while back.

The parameters seemed to rest on the health of Jose, JO and CB (who seem to be rotating in and out of the IR list on cue).

That and we knew our bench was really, realy short.

At least the team isn't being relocated to 'Bismarck North Dakota' just yet...

Forgot to add:

The next two weeks will tell us if BC is willing to use our 2009 1st Rounder as trade 'bait'.

It could be effective in trying to pry away the likes of an Anthony Randolph from GSW and/or package the pick somehow. That way we could offer some serious playing time here and work on our player development and chemistry for the rest of the year...

Does anybody care anymore? This isn't even a team. It's like watching bad horror movie.

I wasn't planning on posting again -- especially after this horrid loss -- but I am.

We can all agree that this past loss was a horrible one. But to paint the team - based on this game - takes away those ones like Boston, and Orlando, where I was on the edge of my seat, watching a surprising effort, by the potential I still see in the Raps.

Last night's "valley" may have been deep, but the peaks have certainly entertained me, and I'm sure others. What else do we have, while we wait for this year to evaporate, and next season to begin.

That's when I'll really start judging BC.

Totally unaware there was even a Raps game last night. I have at least been aware, if not actually watched, every game for at least the last 4 years. MLSE and BC, congrats, you have pushed a fanatical fan to the point of utter apathy. And then to to top this, i find out about the game and it is 78-70 loss to Memphis minus Gay. RIP Raps. May you rise again, free of candy-ass nice, allergic to the lane, useless bench baggage and D-leaguers.

Jenge,

Agreed on trying to bring in some talent with potential to help in 2009. However, maybe no one's buying what BC's selling. We're not offering mindblowing packages of players, so I can see other teams waiting until the deadline while they fish for better offers. If the vultures really are circling the Phoenix Suns, you can bet BC's working the phones to get a piece of the action.

Tea Time, I'm guessing you'll be paying close attention to the Amare Sweepstakes. Any prominent teams interested in him would logically be in the market for Bosh, either now or in the future. And the quality of any deal that does go down would be a measuring stick for Bosh's value. However, from hoopshype articles it seems like the Suns are gonna pull a Gasol and avoid anything but short term deals and picks coming back.

Making things even more interesting, perhaps the teams that lose out on Amare would be willing to consider JO as a backup. I'm not opposed to the odd junk contract coming back if we can leverage some young players coming our way as well. Any players we draft in 2009 will need a few years before they are contributing at a high level. If we can get some players that have already started that developmental process on someone else's time, that would be ideal.

I think picks have their max value leading up to the draft. No one really knows what they are trading for or trading away at this point.

I was watching Miami vs Charlotte and enjoyed watching both those teams because they are quick, athletic and provide real entertainment for fans. Even though Cha lost the game their fans must still enjoy watching them play. Watching Chalmers, Wade, Cook, Marion and even Joel Anthony was also a lot of fun; those guys really ball and give their fans something to watch. Then I watched a piece of Portland vs New York and it was the same thing, Portland puts out an exciting team that’s fun to watch. How many game winning shots has Brandon Roy hit this year alone. I watched the end of the Wizards beating Indiana at the buzzer and although I didn’t see the whole game, the last 3 mins was something else.

As a Raptor fan I don’t mind supporting a team that isn’t the best in the NBA; even if we did make the playoffs this year I still can’t say I enjoy watching this team. What do all the teams above have that we don’t? They have quick, athletic, clutch, high flying, creative, tough players that are unquestionably NBA worthy. BC has put together a team that is so so so short on athleticism, quickness, toughness and creativity it’s not even worth watching sometimes.

The "product" he has given us fans is a poor one. This team, even if they got into the playoffs this year is flat out boring to watch because of guys like Kapono, Moon, Parker, and for most of the year Graham. Our wing players don’t make you want to glue your eyes to the screen because you don’t want to miss a dunk or crossover. When last have we seen a crossover that made the highlight reel on sports center, heck when was the last time we say a crossover this year period. How many nasty dunks have we seen in traffic? How many alley-oop dunks have we seen all year? We could probably count those on one hand.

Realistically, I don’t think there is a quick fix for where we find ourselves at the moment. Trading Bosh as some suggest would inject some talent into the team but how much better will we really be without our all star? A good GM would try to fix the team this summer and if by next season around this time he concludes that he has failed to do so sufficiently, trade Bosh then. My skepticism lies in the fact that there isn’t much talent that would realistically choose Toronto this summer. Is Artest, Marion, Kidd, Bibby or Iverson coming here? Even if they did, would they really position this team well for the future?

There is some talent out there this summer that might help if we do trade with Miami and have some cash to spend. My modest shopping list would include:

Marvin Williams $8 000 000/4yrs Qualifying Offer
Von Wafer $2 000 000/3yrs
Joel Anthony $2 500 000/4yrs
Charlie V. $5 000 000/3yrs Qualifying Offer

Any real infusion of talent will have to be acquired through trades because I just don’t see much in terms of slashing wing players out there this summer. At least with some mix of the above players we might have some more to offer in trade scenarios.

That’s my 2 cents.

I can't believe I'm about to type this but the problem with last nights game was that they went away from Joey G. for too long. The Griz didn't really have any one that could guard him and he had it rolling in the 1st quarter.

I think what we all want at this point is too see effort which results in losses. There's no point squeaking into the 8th spot, when the team is much closer to the bottom of the league. What I'd like to see is more games like the game against the lakers. Entertaining basketball but resulting in winning extra ping pong balls for the draft.

I'm watching my second fav team, the GS Warriors and just can't get enough of this team. They are entertainment for real. These guys ball all night long. Love it, just love it. I can only hope my fav team becomes at least 1/2 as fun to watch in the near future. I still love my Raps tho, boring or not.

Member29,

Good post further above;

This team is B-O-R-I-N-G.

And not old Utah good boring.

We are an out of synch, gutless, and boring team.

Sorry to be negative but is there any other way to be right now? I'm even talking past this season; the future is now muddier than ever before, really.

I know this isn't a newsflash for anyone here.