Tip-In: Toronto Raptors Post Game Report - Beating the Beatable
Back-to-back solid efforts have led to back-to-back wins for the Toronto Raptors as they continue to work on the defensive side of the court. Two games into their new-found commitment, Vicious D takes a look at where the tangible changes are.
Are you impressed?
The Raptors beat the Chicago Bulls yesterday 110-78 in what could be called a rout from the first quarter to the end. Against a team that was missing a few key people in Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas, the Raptors put up some impressive defensive numbers for once and even managed to keep a team under 90 pts for only the second time this year (the first being a win against the hapless Clippers). For three of four quarters, the Raptors held the Bulls to 20 points or below and managed to run up the score thanks to their hot offense.
One of the greatest surprises of the night was how DeMar DeRozan put together another strong performance. As I remarked about in the Washinton game, it seems as though DeRozan's limiters have come off. He's attacking the basket in the way we all expected him to thanks to his tweets, and he continues to impress on both ends of the floor. From taking it to the rack multiple times for dunks or fouls to drawing the charge, DeRozan was a momentum establisher throughout the game. Of course Bosh had his usual strong night but this time he had help from Belinelli, Wright, and Nesterovic as well. However I felt that it was DeRozan who was particularly impressive with another recent night of unmitigated aggression.
For the second night, I witnessed the Raptors providing aggressive help when needed, while other players would rotate to cover lost defensive assignments. For yet another night, I found the Raptors closing down the paint to make a bad shooting club try and make shots in order to get back in the game. And yet again, for another night, Jay Triano used his full club to try and get short but hard working minutes from his starters and bench.
However, the game was won on the inside as the Raptors relentlessly attacked the Bulls in the interior. By trying to get on the inside, Toronto got to the offensive glass more as their players were in position to at least try for a rebound. Chris Bosh set the stage with seven offensive rebounds, but the Raptors as a whole out rebounded Chicago on the offensive glass by seven. With the Raptors shooting a very respectable 48% for the game, the rebounding numbers were even more impressive. In several sequences, the Raptors managed to capture multiple offensive rebounds on one possession; something I've seldom seen in the past two years.
In fact, I'd say the Bulls were looking positively Raptors-esque at times.
Which is why while I'm extremely happy that the Dinos sustained their commitment and nailed down their offense in the second game of their back-to-back, I am still waiting to watch this team get challenged yet again. This kind of win against a beatable team is one that the Raptors needed, but more importantly shouldn't lose because it would damage their psyche. They pulled in the right effort to get themselves the blowout win and put down a team that was struggling. However Toronto had had the Bulls' number for several seasons now. Derrick Rose has always had some trouble with Jose Calderon and last night was no different. Calderon finished the game playing only 18 minutes thanks to a tweak in his leg but had very comparable numbers to Rose.
And if you're also wondering why the Raptors managed to grab 21 more rebounds than the Bulls, all you had to do was look at Joakim Noah who was in foul trouble all game before getting ejected in the second half, and Tyrus Thomas couldn't even play because he was out with an injury.
So for now, Toronto has beaten two teams that they hope to finish above in the standings. These are teams that are beatable. No, it's not right that we expect the Raptors to beat these teams, but they have to expect it of themselves. They have to step on these kinds of teams if they hope to make a serious push for a good playoff position. It's against these teams that the Raps need to establish their momentum. They need to build it so that when they go up against the tougher teams of the league, and afterward, hopefully will be brimming with confidence that they can make the defensive stop when needed, or make the right decision to take it to the inside, or communicate properly so that rotations still happen even in the face of vocal crowds.
And to think, all it took was one meeting.
If only meetings were always that productive in everyday life...
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Push for a great playoff spot ?
Where would be a good spot to finish in ( assuming ….)
1-4 Should be sewn up by the likes of :
Cleveland
Orlando
Boston
Atlanta
Again assuming this is how the regular season finishes up,what would be a good playoff spot ?
Actually,of those four teams,I’m wondering if I prefer to play Boston/and or Cleveland.We generally dont do well against athletic teams like Atlanta.(not saying the Cavs arent athletic ,but their not the Hawks.)
Orlando may be too deep ?
I know its the NBA and any team can beat any team on any given night.
I’d like to hear some opinions.
Good post,again thanks for the time you guys continue to put into “our site”
by d279 on Dec 6, 2009 8:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Cleveland or Boston at this point. Boston would be good just to see how the Raptors react to Garnett’s antics. I can just see Calderon and him getting into a huge fight. Cleveland will be interesting because the Raptors former players are on that team. But yeah, against those four, I think those two matchups would be most compelling and most winnable.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 6, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not burst everyones bubble but isn’t it a little early to talk about playoff position? I mean this team is still like 4 games under .500, beat two teams are not playing well (one of which just beat them 3 days before, and Toronto needed overtime to beat the second time I might add) and people are asking about playoff slots? No offense but shouldn’t you wait until the Raptors are at least in a playoff slot before speculating on who they should face?
Who should the Blue Jays face in the ACLS next year? I think I would like to see them play Kansas City as they do well against Kansas City.
Really?
by McGateway on Dec 7, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No bubbles here. I think it was just a question, so I answered it. This team has a ton to prove right now still.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am vary of the definition og "beateable"
Defining some team as beatable or unbeatable It has to do with both internal talent and effort. Last week for example, a some point it seemed there wasn’t a single team the Raps would be expected to beat. I stay with my statement that on talent alone this team hes more than 50 wins in it and that on any given night it can stay with anybody. The problem it has, is that while it’s best player can have monstrous performances, that by virtue does not make his team mates better, neither he has (yet?) the charisma to demand from his team mates a certain minimum standard or effort. The Raps, as a whole hence seem to be dependent on a number of it’s top guns deciding to bring it autonomously. That translate into the possibility of having a game, way off the average, for bad or for good and when it is for good, there isn’t a team they cannot beat.
That said, the best way to learn how to win, is winning and if they get on a roll, it is my opinion, this team has the possibility to make significant winning series when they play against tier 2 teams (and compete with the tier one).
by renato on Dec 6, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am too, but if you’re going to be a good team, you have to build your wins on teams that are supposed to be worse than you. How do you do that? You don’t take them lightly. These are the teams that the Raptors should be beating because if they don’t even beat the Wizards and Bulls, there’s no way their record is going to be above .500.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 6, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
re DeRozan
What we are seeing now from the Rook is the reason he was drafted by BC.
Unlimited athletic ability, and POTENTIAL !! Maybe even a solid contribution on O & D
by mid season.
by Johnn19 on Dec 6, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love his willingness to put his head down and get the rim, but am I the only one who thinks his athleticism was overhyped. I mean it’s nothing to sneeze at, but he’s nowhere close to being a young VC.
by CalexanderJ on Dec 7, 2009 4:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I think part of that was his own fault for twittering the things he said on his own. I don’t think anyone else in the Raptors organization has really said that he is another VC, but just that he brings a certain kind of athleticism and willingness to drive that we haven’t seen since the days of VC.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 7, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see more Richard Jefferson than VC in DD.
The thing that I like is how he improves as he gets more confident. He started slowly in college and then took off. Same thing happened in Summer League. I hope the same thing is happening now (6 of his last 8 games, he’s been in double figures scoring).
Another thing to notice: before Summer League, there were questions about his jumper. In Summer League, it looked pretty decent but his FT was pretty poor. In the NBA, he’s been able to get his FT% up to .786.
by siggian on Dec 7, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kings of The Middle
Miami, Indiana, Detroit, Chicago, Washington. The Raptors are 6 and 1 against these teams and to be honest, that is how it’s supposed to be based on talent alone. For the rest of the season I will be watching for two things (1) how well they play against these middle ground opponents, especially point differential in wins and losses and (2) how well lineups without Bosh function on the court (just in case he leaves). A reasonable season for me will be consistent play, where they show themselves as hard to beat, even in losses, and a good distribution of responsibilities (i.e. not being overly reliant on Bosh having a monster game) to win against teams in their present stratosphere.
Assuming they firmly entrench themselves as the top of the middle class, it would be nice to look into the future a bit, but I’ll hold off on that until March.
by HQ Interloper on Dec 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
More beatables to come
They now have five games ( Min,Mil, Atl (at home), Hou, Mia ) that they can win before they face Orlando; which I don’t think they can ever beat this year.
by Craptors Fan on Dec 6, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Homecourt
Raptors are 0nly 5-4 at home this year. For the rest of December we play Minnesota, Atlanta, Houston, NJ, NO, Detroit and Charlotte. Let bring this new found intensity to the ACC. Five of these seven should be our minimum expectation. Leaving us with at least a 10-6 home record.
Yes beating the middle ground is important, but so is winning at home.
by Tinmann on Dec 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
to simplify...
Winning generally is important if you ask me.
by dchoubak on Dec 6, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For all the Bargnani haters
Lets play a game of Whose line is it any way.
Player A
ppg – 10.9 RPG – 6.6 APG – 1.6 FG% .524
Player B
ppg – 16.7 RPG – 6.5 APG – 1.1 FG% .471
Which player would you want on your team right now? What if I threw in another stat?
Player A FT% – .400
Player B FT% – .882
Obviously Player B is Bargnani.
Player A? Shaq a future hall of famer.
by McGateway on Dec 7, 2009 7:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha. We’re now comparing Bargnani to a 37-year-old centre.
I bet Bargs would put up superior stat lines to present-day versions of Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson as well.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 7, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that comparison mught be more condenming than complimentary to Bargs. How does he stack up against other starting centers who are not in the twilight of their career?
by Posterized on Dec 7, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, I’d still like this one:
Player C (a very old center as well) ppg 18.9, rpg 10.8, FG%.551, APG 3.5, FT% .75
by Ustation on Dec 7, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s answer that one Jeopardy style: Who is Tim Duncan?
Just don’t refer to him as “very old” — he’s a year younger than I am! LOL
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 7, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ding Ding — Well you’re both younger than me. :) So that makes me another category.
by Ustation on Dec 7, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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