Game Day Thread - Charlotte vs. Toronto
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 6:45 PM EST
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Charlotte Bobcats vs. Toronto Raptors
December 30, 2009
TV: TSN2 at 7:00 p.m.
The Raps are looking for a little revenge against a Bobcats team that blew them out a few short weeks ago. Will there be payback or will the four game winning streak come to an abrupt end?
GO RAPS!
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Reggie Evans was dunking and jumping today, but no news on when he’ll be back. He has lateral movement problems still (not surprising considering it’s the arch of his foot for part of the problem). Calderon expected back for the weekend. Thanks to Holly MacKenzie and Ryan McNeil for their feeds
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions
And just for Renato:
Some breakdowns for the month and the last few games
http://www.nba.com/raptors/news/eric_smith_blog.html
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions
Let's see how the Raps...
deal with Gerald Wallace.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions
And here we go.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions
Hate that shot...
by Hedo after two great hoops in the paint.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions
See a pattern here?
Great takes and looks in the paint…no reason for the Raps to be shooting from the outside right now.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions
Sounds oddly familiar… Needs more Jack leading the Raptors right now? More DeRozan slashing to the paint?
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions
Remember when...
everyone was throwing Jack under the bus early?
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Still not convinced about him. But at least he slashes. Just didn’t like seeing him take so many outside jumpers.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Sonny off the bench...
not to blow our own horns here but we have been pushing him since day 1 and he is showing why.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions
Most of us could see it because we looked at preseason like it was an indicator of the type of player he is.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Nice to see...
Andrea in the paint early.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions
Man...
the boys came to play!!!
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions
Thank god. I thought this was the proper game for a let down… Trying to hard, feeling to prove a point… Well, it’s still early, but at least it sounds like they’re setting a tone.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions
Gerald Wallace....
is just an animal.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions
good evening
is anybody using league pass? it’s HD feed is not working for me
Pretty good start....
the Raps are forcing turnovers, tipping balls, and getting into the paint. Still a few lapses defensively but on a whole pretty solid. They keep this up and it should be a good night.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions
haha being blocked by Turk
aftery oing on record saying the raps have just one big: Bosh
Love that.
Loving a lot of what AB is doing tonight.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions
http://www.justin.tv/nestea1#r=JA1ybJI
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
playing the trade game
The cats seem like a team that could use the help of Calderon….
Well they have...
three PGs already in Felton, Augustin and Law.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I must admit I do not follow them much
but they did not come across as being much this evening
I don't think....
anyone follows that team.
I think it is poremature to start saying we should deal Calderon though unless it was a very favorable deal and I don’t see that happening right now.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I must admit
I was looking for a way to get wallace :)
I would deal for Wallace...
in an instant. Unfortunately we gave $50M to a guy who plays his position no where near as well….oh Hedo….
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
They need to find Bargs in the paint more
he will kill anyone they put on him, and he looks motivated tonight. ride it.
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions
Agreed.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well....
the hot defensive start has gone by the way side.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions
We will get a good sense...
of whether this team has improved in the next three games.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions
if Andrea gets the ball inside
and he can play in and out, he becomes a nightmare to guard
Renato...
your man crush on Bargnani is unwaivering.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
does it mean you disagree?
find me another C who can start a D at the three point line against a SF and can keep with him on the penetration like that
No...
Andrea has played well tonight for sure.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Trading Calderon now is a bad idea. Gotta raise his stock at least so you get fair market value out of him.
Sounds like the Raptors are settling for the easy option… Again.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions
this is a weird game
neither team is really playing all that well, and we’re down, but strangely I’m not concerned at all. Maybe it’ll turn out to be wrong, but I just don’t feel like the ‘cats can run with us, and I’m just waiting for our run that buries them
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions
Raptors haven’t done that much in 3rd quarters. I actually want to see this team play more close games. It’s either win easy, or lose early for this team so far.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
The Raps...
have to get some stops. Without the turnovers the Raps would be down big.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
In other news
Atlanta is up big in Cleveland at halftime
Renato, check out the beginning of the comments. There’s a link I posted just for you.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
it is a standard too in trading stocks to compare averages (could be statistics) computed in different time periods, that allows to compare a stock (or a team) short term production against itself, like Eric Smith did on that article. Moreover you get the chance to analyze shorter term trends. Of course who you are playing against is a factor, but it influence certain stats more than others In any case good food for thoughts and discussion
Yup, no problem. Just lucky he posted what you were wondering about today. hahaha.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
What are all of you doing tomorrow for New Year’s? I’m working :D
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 8:28 PM EST reply actions
Will people call....
on NYE?!
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
DUNNO! But I’m working. Lots of drunk calls!
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I am going to try to score on easy cheeks
oops… no, I am a married man now, so I will go to a dinner….
lol. Lovely stuff
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry....
I missed something….where is Hedo?
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions
Oh DD....
rookie mistake on he foul there.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions
The interior D....
leaves much to be desired right now.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions
Remember when I said I wasn't concerned?
That has changed.
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions
LOL. See above. Raptors in 3rd quarters should give lots of concern.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
what the hell do they do in the locker room at halftime? Take a nap?
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Just got in
How do we look tonight. Are we playing good ball?
Defensively....
the team started well but that has fallen off…right now they need to get the ball in the paint. Andrea was in the blocks early (with success) but that has also disappeared.
Oh…and Gerald Wallace is a beast.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
I have a theory that the reason why the Raptors do bad in 3rd quarters. I think it’s because coaches adjust to them and the Raptors can’t break through those adjustments
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions
I have been...
really happy with Andrea’s play tonight. He has been getting some great looks on the block, not shying from contact and taking advantage. He should see the rock in the post more often.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
lol. Who are you, and what did you do to Howland?
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dude....
Tell me he has not played a different offensive game tonight. I just call it like I see it.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t tell you that cause I’m wooooorking :p
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Check his shot display chart...
in the game cast,
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Difference is
They gave him the freaking ball in the post…. I have been a pain in the ass with this for the whole year
Wow....
20 turnovers….that is A LOT.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions
they can win this one...
and they might have a chance against the Celtics if Peirce does not play.
WOAH
Big shot Belli! Who needs Turk?!
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions
Devlin:
“that’s bene” it reminds me of “The La trattoria” in the movie “Mikey Blu eyes”
I could do without Turk...
on a permanent basis.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nah...
I don’t hate anyone. I just don’t like him as a player. Him wearing a Raps jersey doesn’t change my perspective.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Just got home and tuned in — what happened to Hedo?
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I can honestly say...
you would be impressed with Bargs tonight DS……I know…..pick your jaw up off the floor.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Even with the measly 3 rebounds?
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Offensively...
he will never be a good rebounder.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Even that....
not settling for the J and getting the contact.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
So, in other words, a bruise.
Anyone mention the fact that Kobe Bryant is playing with a fractured finger on his SHOOTING HAND right now? Pussy.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Bargs vs Turk for Howland Hate…. Who wins?
Contracts are about the same… One of the two should probably be moved.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions
Easy.
Turk.
Bargnani still has lots of time to grow. And Hedo is all downside.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
So true. Hedo is already in Year 2 or 3 of the slide.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yup....
just thinking about that makes me cringe.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's a scary thought....
a guy on the down side of his career and a big who can’t rebound.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Nice call
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
or you could say we have on of the best scoring centers in the league and the best passing small forward in the league
Right....
and with a PF All-Star with them they are barely a .500 team.
Do you think the future is a bright one with Calderon, Turk and Bargs?
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
we agree to disagree.
Makes for more discussion!
My issue with Turk is he is getting old and his best days are behind him. He won’t give this team more than he is now and frankly it’s not all that impressive.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Good point. And it’s one I don’t think a lot of fans are getting — Bargs, Turk and Calderon can’t play on the same squad unless you want to completely give up on defending at an NBA level.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta say...
this is a fun game.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions
Bargs is AGGRESSIVE tonight
I like it!
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions
No kidding...
Finally he is not shying away from contact. So much of my beef with him is that he is a bit of a wimp
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
We do no tknow what has to do with what
but more touches meant more aggression… I doubt it is a coincidence
Dude...
those things don’t relate. Look at Weems. He doesn’t get a ton of touches but is aggressive. You can be aggressive with limited touches.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
sorry but you are wrong
Giving your big touches on O so he can be present on D and on off the ball tings. It is a say which is as old as basketball
Bargs does a lot of watching on the offensive and defensive glass. Arguing otherwise is like arguing the sky is not blue.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
so what are you waiting for
go there and get some!
So he needs incentive?
He should be doing all of that even if he gets 1 touch a game. If that’s the kind of player he is I don’t want him in a Raps jersey.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
The question is:
Wy did they go away from it? They have done it for the whole send half of last season
If they close this out...
… they’re one game below .500 heading into the New Year. Remarkable given the myriad of excuses to begin the season: the nine new faces, the tough early schedule, etc.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions
Just a ‘glass is half full’ look at the opening two months of the season.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
do i see Wright in the game?
cuz i see someone messing up the possesions.
I really liked it better when he was nailed to the bench Patrick O’Bryant style.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Man....
just nice to see an exciting game. There have been so many blowouts this season.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions
True
It’s been either win by 20 or get blown out by 30.
That being said, I’d rather see them taking care of business at home against a team that is 1-13 on the road. LOL
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my god Belinelli
Please stop shooting.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions
no,
I want a real perimeter player that can create their own shot.
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
don't get me wrong
I like Hedo, just not for this team, and not at that money
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
they ain’t better with him either
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
well thats where I disagree… just look at their record vs last year. You telling me that Jack & Bargs are making all the difference from last year?
No O’Neal is making the difference. God that was bad.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 30, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
basketball is a business
and he is TOO expensive for what you get
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
sure.. we should have kept the money.. and do what with it?? You really think a “value” player is coming here via FA? We’re always going to have to overpay.
I like your posts, but I hate that argument.
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, you’re right at this point. I was thinking that myself, but just felt dirty for even having the thought. Haha.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
antoine wright finally did something
by the stylin' assassin on Dec 30, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions
Was just thinking the same thing — that’s possibly his first meaningful contribution outside of running off at the mouth about the defensive issues.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
HOT DAMN!
BARGS!
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 30, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions
I could not say a word
wife is sleeping besides me :)
Onions, baby!
That’s just impressive… I think I heard renato yelling something all the way from Spain ;)
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:43 PM EST reply actions
OK, seriously...
Belinelli almost gives the ball away there. I think he needs to take a seat beside Mr. O’Bryant for a while.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 30, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions
raptors wins!
get out the salami and cheese!!!
Watched the gave on Tivo
Just finished watching it. How about giving some credit to Bargs for his involvement in forcing the turnover on Felton. Yeah Wright dove for the loose ball, but there is no turnover if AB can’t stay with Felton. His ability to defend PGs and wing players is a huge asset — makes it much easier to switch on screen-and-rolls.
And then, following it up with the dagger 3 was fantastic. Not sure if that’s the way the play was drawn up, but if it was, equal credit goes to Bargs, Bosh for the pass, Jack for setting up the spacing, and JT for calling the play.
Bosh with the big man triple double
double digits in FGs, FTs and REBs. Great game.
By the way, Ray Felton played the game of his professional life tonight. That guy couldn’t miss.
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