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Raptors Rapid Recap - Toronto "Way Too Little" - Atlanta "Way Too Many"

- I expected a loss but I didn't expect this. The Raps not only lost badly but never seemed to care that they were getting blown out. The wheels are falling off quickly and I am not sure anyone, including BC, knows what to do with this situation.

- Obviously a terrible game by Bosh and all of the starters outside of DeMar DeRozan. The energy just wasn't there and they continue to play porous defense. Atlanta abused Toronto in the paint and had their way on the offensive end. It was an embarrassing performance for the Raps giving up 146 points. Yeah I would say that's too many.  

- Atlanta is a force and will be in the second season as well. They play hard, have a roster of scorers and after years of basement dwelling now have a legit roster. I can see them making a deep run in the playoffs.

- The Hawks had 9 people with double digit scoring. The only player for the Hawks not scoring on this evening was Jason Collins. I didn't even know Jason Collins was still in the league.

- All kidding aside I am not sure what the Raps can do to fix this situation. All ideas are welcome at this point.

- The Raps are now 6 games under .500. If they continue to lose games at this pace all playoff hopes will be gone by Christmas. Yeah things are pretty dire at this point.

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Can we make a change without trading Bosh?

Most of our team can’t be traded at least for a couple of more weeks, which really means another month. Who can we trade to shake things up? We are probably stuck with Triano for at least the season, and Colangelo for at least one more. Something has to be done.

by PConn on Dec 2, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

146 POINTS!

This might be one of the saddest performances in the NBA ever. Just clone 5 Reggie Evans’ and just punish people. I don’t even care about winning anymore. Just as long as they show some freakin’ heart you pansies.

by drusalan on Dec 2, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

“Just clone 5 Reggie Evans’…”

Love it.

I’ll be recapping things in the morning and not sure what I’m going to say here. As PConn pointed out, can anything really be done to move the needle without dealing Bosh?

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 2, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s the million dollar question. I mean, Turkoglu must be untradeable. Bargnani with that contract extension has to be untradeable. Calderon is overpaid. Jack is arguably overpaid (another poor full mid-level signing). What the hell would you get for DeRozan?

Colangelo is the master of getting something for nothing, but this might be his toughest task yet. He’s spent about 2 years digging this hole starting with the JO acquisition.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 2, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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For some of those players, I’d agree.

Turk is going nowhere.
Calderon is going nowhere — and that includes his defense.

As for Jack, I need more time. Too soon to trade, as would Hedo be.

In any trade scenarios, Bosh would get the best return. But since the deal would be the most complicated — has to be the right team, for maximum return — it might be Bargs who is the most liquidable player. Whether BC is ready to trip the switch, is another matter.

Bargs will make 6.5 million this year. Next year – 8 million. Sure it’s a long contract, but so is Richard Lewis’s contract – he’ll make 29 million more, and play 2 less years.

There would be many GM’s out there who would bet that with a “better team”, they could utilize Andrea in a more encouraging way. Maybe even teach him what defense is.

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by RapthoseLeafs on Dec 3, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If I remember, Bargs is just $10M across.. It has no increases

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 3, 2009 4:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Bargs has the Poison Pill Provision

This makes him unstradeable until July 1st unless it’s for somebody with the exact same contract for the exact same years as him. Besides, trading Bargs would be Colangelo admitting failure. He doesn’t want to get fired yet.

by PConn on Dec 3, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Just clone 5 Reggie Evans'

Funny as that comment might be, the problem I have with it is (as Franchise pointed out a few games ago) Evans thought it was funny that Pierce kneed Bosh in the groin (see Jalen Rose’s twitter account). Not the kind of team spirit I wanted to see from one of our “grit and heart” guys.

by Posterized on Dec 3, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

off topic but

im already scouting for next yr. Watching Evan Turner of Ohio and he looks pretty decent. 6’6 SG with outstanding dribbling ability. His whole game is the dribble and penetrate, just what we need.

Patrick Patterson at 6’8 would also be a nice back up and eventual replacement for Hedo.

Sorry I’m off topic but i cant stomach to talk abt tonight’s game. I’mnot worried yet but im not happy either.

by Member29 on Dec 2, 2009 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

No worries - love the topic

Turner is my favourite player in the country – not sure if you recall but I was praying he’d come out last year; true Danny Granger type in terms of being able to do it all.

Love P squared too, another player who I was hoping would come out for the Raps. Just brings it every night, even though he’s undersized. KY should have a pretty stacked team this year.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 2, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes i rem earlier this yr u were talking abt Turner. He is exactly the type of talent this team needs. He looks even better this yr tho; he’s gonna be a good 1 for sure.

by Member29 on Dec 2, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

They should just bring back Sam Mitchell! Ha.

by Icedragon on Dec 2, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

Funny thing is – would the team be better? I mean, they “underperformed” last year under him and were miles ahead.

So what does that say?

Is Triano worse?

Does it have anything to do with the coaches?

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 2, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

God no, banning her was the best move this site has ever made.

by Jdbar on Dec 3, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Who is this Marcia?

I just joined last year, so she must have been banned before that. She sounds like quite the popular character.

by Posterized on Dec 3, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe be accurate in your Post

Why not just say that there are too many “white” players on the Raps?

by Chongo1959 on Dec 3, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t entirely joking actually :)

by Icedragon on Dec 2, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Soft image

I think the whole thing has to do with soft image. Teams around the NBA are probably all looking at the raps saying, yeah, just gotta take away this team’s offense and we’ll get out with a W. They look at our defense before the game and thinks it’s crap. They start the game with some easy shots, test the waters, and just blow us out in the later quarters. It
s the same story every game, different day. These teams aren’t even worried about trailing early on anymore.
TRIANO has to stop playing the minutes card and yell at them, for crying out loud. Everyone is afraid of throwing their bodies around, and aren’t strong enough to hold their man. I heard the Atlanta announcer say, “this raptors team is tall but that doesn’t translate into strength, they’re mainly a finesse team.” Why are we a finesse team, because every single player is slow on their feet. No one single player has the speed to drive past their man. We miss TJ more than we realize man.
It will only go down from here until we get some penetration with our offense.

by Bballtoms on Dec 2, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

correction

I should have finished my thought, I meant drive past their man and finish with some kind of move. We are missing that type of player. We shoulda gotten AI.

by Bballtoms on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

I was totally wrong

I had high (apparently WAY High) expectations before the season, I expected this team to be able to play SOME defense though, not this attrocious crap that they serve up nightly at the Toronto House o’ Crap. I have to think that this falls a lot on the coach, there is no reason that this team can’t play better defense than what they have shown. They have long guys that should be able to contest shots. Their players may be a tad slow, but c’mon, the players on that team are not THAT bad. Why didn’t Toronto pick up Flip Saunders? At least then they would have some structure, the game plan seems to be lets watch Bosh carry us until he leaves town. I seriously believe that Bosh should be traded, IF the other team will take Turk as well. Maybe Houston will trade Bosh and Turk for T-Mac and a decent role player. Then get a PG and a shot at a big name player in the off-season. I know it is a bit early to be blowing the team up, but I don’t see this improving anymore, my lofty outlook has been destroyed. I had expected Toronto in the top four for some reason, and all this egg on my face is making me angry.

by Eric9321 on Dec 2, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

An Analogy

Jay is kind of like that girlfriend your mother likes because she says the right things and comes across as really on the ball. You think to yourself, maybe this will work because she’s been asked out by a cool guy before, even claims to have studied the Kama Sutra and knows what to do in theory. Problem is, you’ve been with her for a year and something just doesn’t work and it hasn’t for a while. When the lights go down and it’s time to get down to action, you suspect she doesn’t quite know what she’s doing, but it’s hard to break up because your mother likes her. Eventually, you’ve got to move on, though because you still haven’t found the one and each day it’s becoming clearer that she’s not it.

by HQ Interloper on Dec 2, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

COMMENT OF THE NIGHT PART II

I’ve had similar thoughts but this was way better than my attempts at explanation. Think I might start the recap off in the morning with it…

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 3, 2009 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

Does anybody see light at the end of the tunnel?

The raps are 7-13 that’s about a quarter of the season. They’re only a game and half behind Charlotte for the 8 seed. 20 games is a pretty strong sample of what a team is made of. I don’t understand how this team is far and away worse than the 06-07 team and 07-08 team. They were all constructed with the same philosophy. I don’t know how a team can defend so poorly. Is it lack of effort? lack of talent? probably both. I really hope this thing turns around, because if not this team will have a long rebuilding process.

by torontocoltsfan on Dec 3, 2009 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

0 Rebounds for Bargnani!!

Zero. Bargnani had as many rebounds as Reggie Evans last night. I get that the hawks are athletic and Josh Smith looks like he’s on a trampoline out there but Bargnani needs to grab at least one!!!!!!

by CalexanderJ on Dec 3, 2009 2:23 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

And it does not stop there

Bargnani 13 points 0 rebounds
Bosh 2 points 4 rebounds 1 Turnover

This is a team playing with zero confidence now, it is not just a matter of technical deficiencies (they were there also during the wins). I have been saying that for a while, (you can check me on that) the players have the wrong face when they play, and it has been like that for several weeks. Maybe there are locker room issues of some sort, it is professional they are keeping it for themselves but defense it is about effort and the effort is not there. A lesser skilled team was defending better last year, I know Marion was helping, but Marion did not help Andrea or Chris defending better from an individual standpoint.

by renato on Dec 3, 2009 6:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Blaming the coach again? Are we still beating that tired dead horse. I hate to break it to you but Jerry Sloan and Pops are not coming to coach the Raptors so stop talking nonsense. Sam’s ship sailed because BC never wanted him in the first place as they have completely different philosophies on offense (defense, personal grooming but I digress). This team has played some d this year so obviously its not that the coaches couldn’t come up with a scheme. There has been a fundamental flaw in this team since Garbo disappeared into Euro oblivion and the Rocket got traded to SA. Evans definitely would help but lets get real, he will only play about 15 minutes a night and he would eat into AJ’s time (who is having a small renaissance. If your team lacks heart for say 6 years maybe you need to look at who has been here that long and trade them. Bosh is suppose to be the leader and he scores 2 F****************** points. If they trade Bosh now, even for trash, the season might still be salvageable as it is plain to see that Bosh is indifferent to whether the Raptors win or not.

by McGateway on Dec 3, 2009 6:47 AM EST reply actions  

P.S. – You banned Marcia?

by McGateway on Dec 3, 2009 6:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

But on the old site so technically she could come back.

PS – Marcia – don’t come back.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 3, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Why blame the coach? Are you kidding? Sure, Sloan is not coming to Toronto. So what? Wanna bet that the words “Everything is alright” have never come out of Sloan’s mouth in response to disaster. That Triaino’s approach seems to be to cross his fingers and hope really hard as he’s saying “it’s alright” while everything crumbles around him just doesn’t cut it. We may not get Sloan himself, but shouldn’t we search for a Sloan, a Van Gundy, a Riley or a Jackson type at least. Why would anyone be happy with the Nero, or captain of the Titanic type we have now? A coach who cannot inspire, motivate and challenge a team needs to find another line of work.

by firejaytriano on Dec 3, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t have access to trade machine here at work but maybe there is a solution that will make everyone semi happy.
Trade Bosh to NJ. True NJ is going no where but NJ has a crap load of cap space and it is obvious that Jay-z is going to try and sweet talk his buddy Lebron into coming to play there. What better way to do it then to already have an all-star on board. Raps could get CDR and Lopez back (plus whatever else would make the deal work). It actually makes too much sense not to do the deal.

by McGateway on Dec 3, 2009 6:54 AM EST reply actions  

Best trade scenario I’ve heard all year.

by Posterized on Dec 3, 2009 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually – that deal makes a lot of sense! (And not just because of my 3 year man-crush on CDR.)

Then the club gets the inside presence the team needs (not to mention a better fit with Andrea) and a legit scoring/creating swing-man at the 2.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 3, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The real question is, will our final record be 7-75?

I really can’t see this team ever winning again with this starting lineup. My five:

Jack, Wright, Johnson, Bosh, Nesterovic. We’d still lose 80% of our games this way, but at least they would try on a regular basis.

by Original Aaron on Dec 3, 2009 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

we play the nets 4 times this year, we’ve got to win at least 2 of those games, so make it 9-73

by CalexanderJ on Dec 3, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

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