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3 In The Key - Toronto Raptors Game Day Preview vs. New Jersey

This is what I call protecting the paint. All Raptors please take note. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

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This is what I call protecting the paint. All Raptors please take note. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

Heading into tonight's match-up vs. the Nets there isn't much to say as the Raptors face their first absolute must win of the season.

A victory had better be in the works.

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There's really very little to say prior to tonight's game.

This is a must win for the Raps. Note however, they don't have to win this game to stay in the hunt for the bottom playoff positions. Rather, they have to win this game because if they don't this team is going to lose a lot of fan support and people will start calling for major changes.

There are definite grumblings within the fan base about the condition of this team and countless suggestions of what must be done. 

Just looking through the comments from the recap of the game against Orlando there are countless suggestions of what needs to be done to fix this team. Some suggest firing Triano and replacing him with Micah Nori while others suggest tanking the season for a shot at John Wall. 

Things have gotten so dire we've seen the triumphant return of long time community member Bargsbust. 

There are grey clouds gathering over the ACC right now and if the Raps lose tonight all may go dark.

Unlike in season's past where the New Jersey match-ups were highly anticipated, now that Vince Carter is in Orlando there is little "buzz" when these teams meet. Rightfully so.

New Jersey started the season with the longest losing streak in NBA history and they are really starting from scratch now having completely moved on from the Carter/Jefferson/Kidd combo. In New Jersey they have done something that many have suggested BC do....blow it up and start again.

There are some nice young pieces on this Nets squad in the likes of Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, Franchise favorite CDR and my favorite prospect last season Terrence Williams, but it will take time before they amount to much. The Raptors have way more talent and experience than this Nets team.

That being said don't think the Nets are going to roll over. If you were playing for the Nets wouldn't you feel good about your chances tonight facing a team against the ropes and who can't stop anyone on the defensive end? The Nets will be up for this game.

Now usually I would discuss three keys to tonight's game but as the season has worn on it has become apparent that the Raps have a difficult time trying to do one thing right let lone three. So the key to tonight's game is just to win at all costs. 

Although it looks to be an easy match-up tonight the Raptors are in a tough position. In tonight's game there is no upside to be had. A win is expected. A loss would be unacceptable. 

Tune in here at game time for the Game Day Thread, it should be a live one.

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I'm sorry Howland but you're wrong.

Howland, I’m sorry, but this is not a must win game. Why? Because if we do lose it’s just a further indication that the team just needs to be blown up. The entire league will take notice that we can’t beat a team of scrubs. The league will make Toronto Raptors more of a laughing stock. The fan base will take a reality check and say, ‘shoot, we’re worse than we are we need to be blown up.’ I’m hoping that this team gets blown up. Trade bosh and Bargnani for draft picks. Sell potential.

Already, I would rather have Brook Lopez over Chris Bosh. I would rather have Devin Harris over Jose Calderon. These two players play defense. And this fan website wanted CDR, so you could argue that the NJ Nets have a better younger core than the Raptors. Oh yeah, if NJ Nets get Lebron to join his pal JAY Z then watch out they’re going to be rocking the NBA.

by BargsBust on Dec 18, 2009 7:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I guess it depends on what you want....

you want a blow it up scenario you want the L.

If you are the Raptors organization you want the W.

Dare I say there are two camps forming much like last season?

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 18, 2009 7:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can actually see three camps

1. Keep the team the way it is just make minor changes
2. Trade Bosh
3. Blow up the team completely.
I’m more for blow up the team completely and get draft picks like the Timberwolves, Trail Balzers, Atlanta, and Oaklahoma City.

by BargsBust on Dec 18, 2009 7:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Question

What were the nuggets doing before Billups arrival?… not much, maybe more than a major overhaul this team needs the addition of a talented player who can also be a leader. However if if you agree, that would question the status and contribution of the current leader)

by renato on Dec 18, 2009 8:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Totally Agree

The NBA is unique in that one player can completely transform a club’s culture and identity, not to mention on-court success. That’s why I’d love to see BC move some of these pieces around pronto because right now, and even down the road in my opinion, these pieces aren’t working together.

Any word on possible starting line-up changes tonight?

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 18, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I got a call from Gherardini asking me to come over and play PF, but I had too much tortellini for lunch and right now I could not jump over sheet of paper….

by renato on Dec 18, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering who they were going to ask to play PF once I turned them down. I guess Defensive Stance will be next in line.

by Posterized on Dec 18, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. What successful NBA squad doesn’t need a 5’9" big man to clean the glass?

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 18, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would guess the same NBA franchise that has a 7’ big man who refuses to clean the glass.

by Posterized on Dec 18, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Love it
it has become apparent that the Raps have a difficult time trying to do one thing right let lone three.

Pretty sad that Raps vs 2 wins Nets in mid-December is a “must-win” for this team…

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 18, 2009 8:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You catch Antoine Wright’s quote? He said the Nets lack talent, but they play hard… and if the Raptors played as hard as the Nets did, they’d have a lot more wins right now. Sadly, he is right.

by Vic De Zen on Dec 18, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, does anyone pay attention to the garbage coming out of Antoine Wright’s mouth anymore? I can’t think of the last time I witnessed such a disparity between talk and what a player was doing on the court. He’s arguably one of the worst rotation players in the NBA right now.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 18, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1st guy moved out

Fair or not, Colangelo doesn’t keep players like Wright (unhappy and unproductive) around very long.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Dec 18, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

But what he says is the truth. Don’t shoot the messenger when the message is a true one.

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 18, 2009 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The message might be true — but it would carry a helluva lot more weight if it was coming from Bosh or…. ummm…. (searching for the name of another productive Raptors player)…. I’ve got nothing.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 18, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely agree with Howland...

While Wright has had his struggles this year, he is absolutely right on all accounts.
What Wright has said to the media this season:
Team does not play hard
Team does not play defence
Team does not communicated well
Defensive strategies are in complete flux/disarray

ALL are true. Let’s not loose sight that while Wright has always had his ofensive shortcomings, he was a serviceable starting player on a 50 plus win team last year because he can play defense. This is because Dallas had a coach with a sound defensive scheme and a team that bought into it. And he has played well defensively at times this year (however putrid his offense has been).

by MAS11 on Dec 18, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus. Just got through a bunch of the Star reporters this morning and I can’t believe they’re all like, “if this team goes 4-1 in the next stretch, things are ok”.

It’s total BS. The problem with this team isn’t the record, but it’s how the games are being played. I think we can all agree that it’s fine that this team’s record is ok (and some would argue that’s all that matters) but getting constantly blown out is embarrassing as all hell for us as fans and for the psyche of this Raptors team. I think that’s why us fans are so ticked off and if the reporters and management don’t realize it, they soon will because those at the games will boo this franchise if they don’t get their collective asses in gear.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 18, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

1 trade away from being better

I can’t escape the thought that this team would be much better if they could move Bargani for some one of Kendrick Perkin’s ilk. If you read Bill Simmons’ The Book of Basketball, there is a chapter on “The Secret” which talks about the secret to winning in Basketball. It’s a great chapter where he investigates championship teams and breaks down a poignant Vegas Poolside conversation with thetwo time champion Isaiah Thomas.

“The Secret” basically comes down to this: The secret to basketball has nothing to do with basketball… Really what this means (according to Simmons andother basketball minds) is that you can’t build a team by simply throwing tallented players together. You have to get guys that FIT together. Bargani does not fit with Bosh and Turk. What you need with those guys is basically Kendrick Perkins. I would definately rather move Bargs than Bosh because he is better. And no one is going to give anything of value for Turk. So this seems like the best/only option if the intent is to resign Bosh. It might even save the season

by MAS11 on Dec 18, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’ve always been a big believer in this. Someone mentioned the Nuggets obtaining Chauncey Billups and there are countless other examples of this too in league history. The pieces on this team right now just don’t fit.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 18, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oooh I hate that Baragni

He’s almost as bad as Bargnani

by Posterized on Dec 18, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, can't help myself

Seriously though, Bargs ain’t going anywhere. It’s been said before, but I’ll say it again. Colangelo isn’t ready to give up on him yet. He may never be.

by Posterized on Dec 18, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But, would the Bulls do it . . .

Would you trade Bosh for Noah and Deng?

I think it might to too good a trade for the Raps to be realistic, but I would do it in a second. Deng has another long contract, but he could try and play the 2 or we could just put Turkoglu where he belongs right away: on the bench.

Calderon-Deng-Turkoglu-Bargnani-Noah. That’s a hell of a lot better than what we have now.

Again, the major problem is that, while the Bulls would win more games this year with Rose and Bosh, would they do it since he’s a free agent after the year? This is where Colangelo really screwed us: Bosh should have been traded after the 2007-08 season to get maximum value. Of course, if they get hot, and make the playoffs maybe Bosh and Wade could meet up in Chicago in 2010. That would be fine with me if we can get this trade done.

by Original Aaron on Dec 18, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What about...

Bargnani for Noah straight up? (with cap filler of course to make the salaries work). I like that deal. They get offense we get defense. Makes sense to me…

by MAS11 on Dec 18, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that makes sense… which is why it would never happen.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 18, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is not going to be fun watching Bargs get man handled by Brook Lopez tonight.

by Posterized on Dec 18, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It wasn’t fun seeing Lopez manhandle Jermaine O’Neal last year, for crying out loud.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Dec 18, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bargs’ only hope tonight is that slo-mo pump fake then drive to the bucket move of his. If he can consistantly take Lopez off the dribble then he could have a good game, because he certainly ain’t going to outwork him around the bucket.

by Posterized on Dec 18, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Big game for Bargs

This is one where Toronto REALLY needs him to step up. If he can pull Lopez out of the paint, then Bosh could drop 50 tonight on a Nets team that’s quite poor down low after Lopez.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Dec 18, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever taken a look at Lopez' numbers?

Guys a monster in his second year. Just under 20 ppg, just under 10 rpg, just over 2 bpg., he shoots 50% form the floor and 85% from the stripe. I’m jealous.

by Posterized on Dec 18, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine getting that type of production from your starting centre? (key word: “imagine”)

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Dec 18, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

Maybe the Lego Master needs to work some of that magic and fleece the Nets in a Bargs for Brook trade.

by Posterized on Dec 18, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya brooks good, and his numbers are great

but look at his team. of course his numbers are high. the team is running the ball through him. so you cant expect that from bargnani, as our starting center since, well bosh, calderon, and hedo.

by tea time on Dec 18, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bargnani isnt the problem

the team just isnt playing well right now. we could blame the coaches but seriously, each player just needs to step up. our team is fine. if we keep blowing this team up will never reach consistency.

And NO to noah and deng trade idea. Bosh aint no Halladay and cant choose where he wants to go. if bosh wants to leave, look no further than the team were facing tonight. im sure NJ would look to deal for CB4 just so they can rejuvenate the team and im sure they can entice bosh to stay after the season. Brook Lopez anyone? also its nice to see bargsbust again.

by tea time on Dec 18, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bargnani isn't the ONLY problem

But he is, in my estimation part of the problem. Other parts include a team leader who is neither a leader nor looking out for what is best for his team. We also have a clutch player/point forward who is anything but clutch and definitely not being used as a point forward. We have a point guard who is a revolving door on defense. I’ve mentioned this before but I thought I’d put it out there again. Bargs is just a piece of the problem puzzle.

by Posterized on Dec 18, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bargnani for Noah

I would love to see that deal (Noah plus filler since the salaries don’t match), but I don’t think Chicago does it at this point. He’s a pretty big part of what they’re doing over there. The sad thing is that we could have done this deal before last season and Chicago would have jumped at it. Best we could get from the Bulls from Bargnani is Tyrus Thomas or Brad Miller I suspect.

The issue with moving Bosh is that if his new team don’t think he’ll sign long-term, they won’t give up anything of value to get him. So effectively, he does have a no trade.

I posted on yesterday’s Tip-in that I thought Chicago was the best option IF we were considering trading Bosh mid-season, specifically because I thought Chicago would give up Noah in a deal involving Bosh. I’d also want an expiring contract (Jerome James) and a first round pick, but Noah would be the key for me.

The big issue with this team isn’t talent, it’s attitude. We need to get some guys in here that will do whatever it takes to win and while I too agree with what Antoine Wright is saying, nobody is listening to one of the worst rated guards in the league no matter how right he is.

by Mistafitz on Dec 18, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Think about this...

Do we know why BC felt it prudent to heap $50 million on Bargs after a few months of semi-decent play? Why does he get a pass on this?

We are going into a summer where there are at least 10 better free agents than him, teams are scared to death to speand any money with dwindling revenues and, save for a handfull of teams, no one has cap space. And the ones that do will be spending it on the real blue chippers (Bosh, Wade, LeBron, Amare, Boozer, Joe Johnson etc. etc.)!

So what was the rush to give this guy guaranteed life money COTDAMMIT! WHHYYY! We could have resigned him for less than that if we really wanted to resign him… BC basically negotiated against himself in that deal. Arghh…

by MAS11 on Dec 18, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ya that was pretty risky

but his view was that bargs would play exceptional this season and his stock would rise. of course it hasnt, but lets also not give up on this guy. cause he’s gonna be here for a while, same goes to hedo. sigh

by tea time on Dec 18, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bargs for noah is alright

but with the uncertainty of Bosh next season, would that be a good trade? ya we’d get a decent centre, but who becomes the focal point of the offense. Hedo? puhlease. bargs has skills, unique but inconisistent. weve seen flashes of him scoring in bunches when our team is behind. he just needs to play hard every game and we need someone to push him, like how Bosh got all over his a** in his rookie season against Golden state, and then he played better in the games second half.

just keeps bargs for now, in case bosh decides to leave. and we’d obviously look to trade bosh to a team he’d likely resign with (miami, chicago, new york,dallas) to get the most value in return. New Jersey would be my preffered trading partner, and with the way their season is going, im sure theyd consider snatching one of the top prizes this summer. also lets not forget the team can resign bosh with a larger amount than others. also im sure he wouldnt want to make jay z unhappy by leaving

by tea time on Dec 18, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No trades required, or considered !

Nothing wrong with the talent on this team once Calderon returns and Evans appears.

All that is needed is a commitment to working on defence for 48 minutes consistently as they have done in their wins, as 9 times under 100 pts allowed equals 9 wins. If, and it will, be done more often, it means more wins. If they can do it some times, they must ony find a way to do it more often.

Consistent TEAM defence is the toughest skill to achieve, especially with a young, new group of players, and it will take time to fit 9/10 players into a cohesive unit, like it or not.

by Johnn19 on Dec 18, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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